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Nark Order
07-16-2010, 03:41 PM
It was so absolutely fucking awful. Like really awful. I'm done getting my hopes up for TNA. I mean, if you're going to blatantly rip off an angle from the WWE, at least have the decency to make it better or AT LEAST make sense.

So Abyss is going on a rampage on Rob Vam Dam (A FACE, and champion of the company) and then the ECW rebels attack. They're beating the snot out of Abyss, who has been terrorizing everybody in the company lately, and then the TNA locker room empties out to come to his fucking aid?? ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

This was such an easy thing to do. I mean, they're directly ripping it off from the E machine. IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN!! All they had to do was copy and paste it onto their product but they couldn't even simply rip something off correctly either. Are these people autistic?

And why can't the entire locker room stand up to like 7 or 8 45 year old men?

Discuss why this was horrible. Don't tell me it wasn't. Fuck you.

Triple Naitch
07-16-2010, 03:48 PM
Sorry, Narc.

Triple Naitch
07-16-2010, 03:49 PM
Is there a vid of this?

Nark Order
07-16-2010, 03:49 PM
Kind of emotional right now.

VSG
07-16-2010, 03:57 PM
Schlomey/TNA just got a few more votes in JotF

Testicle
07-16-2010, 04:09 PM
It sucked the dick.

FearedSanctity
07-16-2010, 04:11 PM
- According to those that attended the TNA tapings this week, last night's show ending brawl was heavily edited. Some have called it a "Cliffsnotes version" of the angle. They edited out Shannon Moore and Jesse Neal trying to save Rob Van Dam from Abyss, the segment where Brian Kendrick caused Simon Diamond and Al Snow to side with ECW as well as Abyss' reaction to Foley coming out. Also, the crowd reactions on TV were said to be nowhere near to what they were live.

VSG
07-16-2010, 04:31 PM
They showed Abyss reacting to Foley but what I want to know is what happened to Foley after that? He disappeared off tv!

Xero
07-16-2010, 04:34 PM
And why did Al Snow look confused about Dixie saying that she invited them?

Fignuts
07-16-2010, 04:38 PM
Yeah, I was very confused, tbh.

VSG
07-16-2010, 04:42 PM
And why did Al Snow look confused about Dixie saying that she invited them?

Do you blame him? So was I- by the whole thing.

blak23
07-16-2010, 05:28 PM
and also if they were her guests why take so long to intervene. it just wasn't done well at all imo

Cool King
07-16-2010, 05:34 PM
Is there a vid of this?

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Londoner
07-16-2010, 05:36 PM
Taz must feel like he's still in wwe, 5 years ago.

Swiss Ultimate
07-16-2010, 05:40 PM
Hogan's leading ECW...

Xero
07-16-2010, 06:09 PM
Abyss: THESE MEN... THESE MEN ARE COMING!

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Abyss: THESE MEN! HOGAN! HALL! AND NAAAAASH!

Xero
07-16-2010, 06:19 PM
From PWInsider:

The big TNA-"ECW" angle aired last night and after watching it twice for my forthcoming Impact thoughts column, I kept wondering why everyone that night was raving about it based on how it came off on television. In asking some of those present at the taping, I was told that the actual angle was edited down quite a bit from how it unfolded live, including Shannon Moore and Jesse Neal trying to save Rob Van Dam from Abyss at the start but being laid out, Abyss' reaction to Foley coming out, a segment where Brian Kendrick caused Simon Diamond and Al Snow to side with the ECW side by going after Diamond, etc. One fan who saw it referred to it as a "cliffnotes version" of the angle and said that the crowd reactions on television were nowhere near what they were live. So, either everyone there live loved it way more than it came across or the angle was neutered in the editing bay. TNA also failed to explain why some of the former ECW guys would side with the Dreamer contingent, but they can always clear that up on the next episode. TNA might be well served to put up the longer, unedited version online or even on next week's Impact. If this is a major angle to sell the next PPV, they should treat it as such, because last night just seemed like a blur of run-ins and fighting, and that's a shame based on how excited so many people were about the angle on Monday.

Xero
07-16-2010, 06:20 PM
I don't believe it was the editing.

VSG
07-16-2010, 06:26 PM
last night just seemed like a blur of run-ins and fighting,

I couldn't agree more! I had no clue why there were random guys coming out 2-3 at a time, and who was fighting who.

Razzamajazz
07-16-2010, 06:27 PM
LIEK OMG TNA IZ AWSUM!!!!!!11!1!!1


UR ALL SHEPPLE FOR NOT LIKING IT!!1!1!111!!1

Volare
07-16-2010, 06:54 PM
As soon as those cops came in...I was waiting for a New Jack entrance.

jskinnyg
07-16-2010, 06:55 PM
I just watched it... The rest of the show was good... The Ladder match with MCMG's & Beer Money Inc. was off the hook, and then...

ABIG HUGE PILE OF RIPPED OFF DONKEY SHIT FROM TNA... Seriously I am right with you Narc, right fucking with you... That was brutal... And then Dixie.. "I invited them..."

Fucking Terrible...

jskinnyg
07-16-2010, 06:56 PM
Editing or no editing, it was horrible...

SaskatchewanChamp
07-16-2010, 07:14 PM
LMAO!!!

It has been one fucking show, with aprox. 6 minutes of air time, and you people are writing this angle off already. Are you kidding me? We wonder why the IWC is the ass of the wrestling world.. Wake up.

Razzamajazz
07-16-2010, 07:15 PM
LMAO!!!

It has been one fucking show, with aprox. 6 minutes of air time, and you people are writing this angle off already. Are you kidding me? We wonder why the IWC is the ass of the wrestling world.. Wake up.


:|

Volare
07-16-2010, 07:24 PM
LMAO!!!

It has been one fucking show, with aprox. 6 minutes of air time, and you people are writing this angle off already. Are you kidding me? We wonder why the IWC is the ass of the wrestling world.. Wake up.

I don't know where the hell you have been but TNA has been like this for quite some time now. Seriously, a group of 3rd graders could write a storyline and have it more sense than what the TNA writers can come up with.

The Pope
07-16-2010, 07:53 PM
I don't know where the hell you have been but TNA has been like this for quite some time now. Seriously, a group of 3rd graders could write a storyline and have it more sense than what the TNA writers can come up with.

okay

Paul Heyman
07-16-2010, 07:53 PM
Having read about how awesome this was meant to be, I was quite excited by it.

Having watched it, it's came off as a poorly executed Nexus rip-off. And a very poorly executed one at that.

It had oh so much potential, but, like the above have mentioned, it was just a blur of run ins, and fighting, with little explanation, and a really shoddy closing moment, which throws the execution of the angle into even more "WTF?" territory, and not that good "WTF" territory.

Very poorly done. Dropped the ball TNA.

The Pope
07-16-2010, 07:55 PM
Having read about how awesome this was meant to be, I was quite excited by it.

Having watched it, it's came off as a poorly executed Nexus rip-off. And a very poorly executed one at that.

It had oh so much potential, but, like the above have mentioned, it was just a blur of run ins, and fighting, with little explanation, and a really shoddy closing moment, which throws the execution of the angle into even more "WTF?" territory, and not that good "WTF" territory.

Very poorly done. Dropped the ball TNA.

Well, this was planned before the Nexus fuck up one where no one defended the company. So it was a rip off of the original Alliance Invasion.

parkmania
07-16-2010, 07:56 PM
They definitely needed to think a little bit more about their editing. Don't show Dixie sitting there with a WTF look on her face only to have her wait 2 minutes to break it up.

Triple Naitch
07-16-2010, 07:59 PM
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lol at Al Snow.

Damn Raven got fatter.

Wolfpack423
07-16-2010, 07:59 PM
To be honest, I wasn't that impressed either. I like that Dixie had an on air role, but other than that, I was never a huge fan of ECW anyway. All they'll do is make fun of Vince McMahon which is what TNA always does. The only things I liked about last night were the tag titles match, the knockouts/beautiful people segment not the street fight and the triple threat.

jskinnyg
07-16-2010, 08:07 PM
lol at Al Snow.

Damn Raven got fatter.

And a LOT balder...

kareru
07-16-2010, 08:17 PM
For Your Consideration:
TNA has been planning this angle for months and months so i guess that nixes your nexus rip off angle which in itself is a ripoff angle of a rip off angle

Emperor Smeat
07-16-2010, 08:28 PM
The brawl looked very disorganized and maybe its because of the editing (:lol: Al Snow acting shocked after beating up TNA people) or because it seems like they did something similar to a Royal Rumble.

In a rumble a wrestler only knows to beat up certain people but doesn't know about the whole brawl/match. For example, Jarrett comes to stop just Dreamer and Dreamer stops but everyone else keeps fighting like nothing happened while ignoring him.

The Pope
07-16-2010, 08:29 PM
For Your Consideration:
TNA has been planning this angle for months and months so i guess that nixes your nexus rip off angle which in itself is a ripoff angle of a rip off angle

That's pretty much what I said a few posts up... but hey do it again, it's fine with me.
:y:

The Pope
07-16-2010, 08:31 PM
The brawl looked very disorganized and maybe its because of the editing (:lol: Al Snow acting shocked after beating up TNA people) or because it seems like they did something similar to a Royal Rumble.

In a rumble a wrestler only knows to beat up certain people but doesn't know about the whole brawl/match. For example, Jarrett comes to stop just Dreamer and Dreamer stops but everyone else keeps fighting like nothing happened while ignoring him.

I'm pretty sure that Dixie meant that she invited Rhino, Raven, Dreamer, and Richards. Al Snow, Brown and the rest only joined them afterwards.

kareru
07-16-2010, 08:32 PM
That's pretty much what I said a few posts up... but hey do it again, it's fine with me.
:y:


lol, sorry bro i have selective reading

The Pope
07-16-2010, 08:36 PM
lol, sorry bro i have selective reading

So do I, I only read like the last 3 posts, but let's keep it between the two of us :lol:.

VSG
07-16-2010, 08:52 PM
I want to rep Al Snow for that, if he ever came here. I liked how he was just aimlessly giving directions to random ECW guys.

Stickman
07-16-2010, 09:43 PM
wtf

Kane Knight
07-16-2010, 10:30 PM
Haters gonna hate.

Schlomey
07-16-2010, 10:51 PM
ok I just saw it. Here is a couple notes:

1. The TNA wrestlers came off as the "inept guards" in the Austin Powers movies

2. Al Snow joined with the ECW guys yet when Dixie said "I invited them" they cut to him and he looks horridly confused and screams "WHAT??" -- How could he have been with the group and not known what the fuck was going on...I guess he just randomly started beating fuckers up.

3. They didn't even make mention to RVD (the champion face) beating up TNA guys during this mess.

4. Wow I didn't know D-Lo worked in TNA.


5. I didn't see it as the TNA guys coming out to help Abyss but rather to get the outsiders away from the champion or just simply out of their ring. Nobody really "helped" abyss during this mess.



Basically that is all my notes. I'm confused and not happy with how it went down.

Schlomey
07-16-2010, 10:52 PM
and I am friends with Al Snow on facebook...He is going to be getting a comment come morning. :rant:

Rollermacka
07-16-2010, 11:26 PM
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What I'm still thinking is since Abyss said "They" werent happy with the ECW guys being in TNA. Then he was attacked by "ECW". Is this gonna be a "what a twist" moment where Abyss is gonna reveal "They" was Dreamer's crew this entire time?

The Pope
07-17-2010, 12:24 AM
What I'm still thinking is since Abyss said "They" werent happy with the ECW guys being in TNA. Then he was attacked by "ECW". Is this gonna be a "what a twist" moment where Abyss is gonna reveal "They" was Dreamer's crew this entire time?

I don't understand what you're saying.

Schlomey
07-17-2010, 12:32 AM
nah its a big swerve. The "they" Abyss is speaking of is a WCW "super group" that will come in to destroy the ECW group.

During battle both sides will destroy the other and rid the world of all major wrestling organizations besides tna and wwe.



WCW Super Group will include: Disco Inferno, Berlin, Prince Iakuai, Meng, Bobby Duncam, Jr & their leader The Taskmaster

The Pope
07-17-2010, 12:34 AM
nah its a big swerve. The "they" Abyss is speaking of is a WCW "super group" that will come in to destroy the ECW group.

During battle both sides will destroy the other and rid the world of all major wrestling organizations besides tna and wwe.



WCW Super Group will include: Disco Inferno, Berlin, Prince Iakuai, Meng, Bobby Duncam, Jr & their leader The Taskmaster

:|

Rollermacka
07-17-2010, 12:45 AM
I don't understand what you're saying.

Well, here's what I am asking, alot of people assumed that "They" Abyss keeps refering to was the ECW guys out in the crowd. Since the ECW guys attacked Abyss, do you think that TNA is gonna pull a "twist" and have the ECW guys behind Abyss the whole time?

The Pope
07-17-2010, 01:04 AM
Well, here's what I am asking, alot of people assumed that "They" Abyss keeps refering to was the ECW guys out in the crowd. Since the ECW guys attacked Abyss, do you think that TNA is gonna pull a "twist" and have the ECW guys behind Abyss the whole time?

Oh, ok.... Who knows, maybe.

CSL
07-17-2010, 01:40 AM
Well that came off as an absolute clusterfuck.

Jakob Synn
07-17-2010, 01:40 AM
3. They didn't even make mention to RVD (the champion face) beating up TNA guys during this mess.


My feelings with that are that TNA doesn't want to aknowledge RVD with ECW, and within the time between now and Hard Justice that RVD will sway and join the ECW side.

But to me this whole ECW storyline reaks of TNA trying their damdest to get Paul Heyman

CSL
07-17-2010, 01:47 AM
It seriously staggers me that they could get that so wrong. It is literally like they are paying homage to the later days of WCW with their magic ability to be completely fucking backwards.

Juan
07-17-2010, 01:48 AM
If Heyman still joins TNA after watching that debacle, I will lose some respect for him.

Jakob Synn
07-17-2010, 01:53 AM
If Heyman still joins TNA after watching that debacle, I will lose some respect for him.

Well here's the thing. Maybe Heyman will join to help re-build it and make it respectable. Maybe he finds it a challenge to fix something that is broken. I mean, if he can come in and make TNA a legitamite contender with the WWE would he not gain your respect by making something great out of nothing.

CSL
07-17-2010, 01:57 AM
They're aren't nothing. They have more than enough talent to put on a respectable, even a very good wrestling show. It's just almost like they don't want to.

CSL
07-17-2010, 01:57 AM
That said I'd still grant Dixie Carter access to my penis.

owenbrown
07-17-2010, 05:17 AM
perhaps TNA needs help with their writing and booking from this guy....

http://www.techday.co.nz/assets/static/images/news_image/clippy.jpg

Paul Heyman
07-17-2010, 06:08 AM
While it may have been planned ages ago, even before the good stuff that the Nexus is doing just now, it came accross as a clusterfuck rip off is what I was saying. It looked as if it was booked in the style of "Oh, wrestling fans like big fights.. Lets get a big fight". It was poorly executed, and if it had been planned as long as they are saying it was, surely the final execution coulda been tons better.

#BROKEN Hasney
07-17-2010, 06:09 AM
If Heyman still joins TNA after watching that debacle, I will lose some respect for him.

Why? If he got total control, nothing in the past should matter.

Kane Knight
07-17-2010, 08:48 AM
It seriously staggers me that they could get that so wrong. It is literally like they are paying homage to the later days of WCW with their magic ability to be completely fucking backwards.
:rofl:

Testicle
07-17-2010, 09:01 AM
Even if the whole editing thing is true this is still a massive joke.

Why would you air the supposedly good angle to a live audience of 1,000, then air shit to the 1.5 million that watch the show. Good job TNA.

Volare
07-17-2010, 09:04 AM
I want to know how much Dreamer is getting paid. How in the hell could he allow himself to be appart of this whole thing in the first place.

Gertner
07-17-2010, 09:53 AM
It reminded me when Vince brought the NWO to Raw. I was kinda confused about the ending as well, but I guess I'll have to see next week.

bigslimjj
07-17-2010, 10:03 AM
For Your Consideration:
TNA has been planning this angle for months and months so i guess that nixes your nexus rip off angle which in itself is a ripoff angle of a rip off angle

seems like every angle nowadays is a rip off another angle thats a rip off of another Angle.I can think of one that's for sure an Angle rip-off:

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Gerard
07-17-2010, 10:14 AM
That really smoked the pole, not much crowd participation at all and it just seemed so slow paced and forced as if they couldn't be bothered.

Providence Peep
07-17-2010, 10:38 AM
Two points about the TNA show on Monday:

1. The hottest angle going right now is the WWE invasion by the Nexus. So, what does TNA do? A TNA invasion by ECW. I know an invasion angle is nothing new in wrestling, but, at least IMO, TNA shouldn't have done it at the same time as the WWE. They should be going in another direction, trying to offer something special and unique to increase its viewership. The invasion by ECW came off as EXTREMELY (pun intended) second-rate and unorganized.

2. After a solid match between Brian Kendrick and Doug Williams, Kevin Nash came out and choke-slammed Brian Kendrick. Two young guys had just put on a solid performance, and in a matter of seconds it was overshadowed by a 51-year-old guy who can barely even walk, much less wrestle, making it all (once again) about the senior citizenship of TNA. Very frustrating.

Kane Knight
07-17-2010, 10:53 AM
Do people really expect any new angle from TNA to be awesome?

We hear this like, every month. It's up there with Smackdown always being the better show, CM Punk being in the doghouse, and Cena turning heel. It comes up often, but with no real basis in reality.

Providence Peep
07-17-2010, 10:59 AM
Do people really expect any new angle from TNA to be awesome?

We hear this like, every month. It's up there with Smackdown always being the better show, CM Punk being in the doghouse, and Cena turning heel. It comes up often, but with no real basis in reality.

But are the people in charge of TNA just TRYING to fail, or do they have no fucking clue what they're doing??

Schlomey
07-17-2010, 11:05 AM
But are the people in charge of TNA just TRYING to fail, or do they have no fucking clue what they're doing??

I have asked myself that question numerous times regarding TNA. However, no business model includes the "trying to be closed within a year" slogan so the scary problem is......why do they think they are doing things right?

Xero
07-17-2010, 11:13 AM
Who knows if Hogan and Bischoff want them to fail or not.

Providence Peep
07-17-2010, 11:32 AM
Did you guys hear about this?

A fan jumped the ring during the Mr. Anderson vs. Matt Morgan match at the TNA Impact taping on Tuesday. The fan was described as being around 13 years-old. The fan went to Anderson and held up his arm after the match. Morgan got up and clothes-lined Anderson as was scripted, which apparently scared the hell out of the boy, who then ran away. The planned angle continued as planned once the boy was out of the ring.

There was a lot of joking backstage about how Morgan should have taken the kid out. There was also some heat on Universal Studios security for allowing the kid to get to the ring. The boy was caught and told that he is no longer allowed to attend shows at the Impact Zone.

Vastardikai
07-17-2010, 11:32 AM
Dixie Carter very recently said that "Things don't ALWAYS have to make sense." on her twitter.

To which I thought to myself "In Wrestling, it usually DOES."

Vastardikai
07-17-2010, 11:33 AM
Did you guys hear about this?

A fan jumped the ring during the Mr. Anderson vs. Matt Morgan match at the TNA Impact taping on Tuesday. The fan was described as being around 13 years-old. The fan went to Anderson and held up his arm after the match. Morgan got up and clothes-lined Anderson as was scripted, which apparently scared the hell out of the boy, who then ran away. The planned angle continued as planned once the boy was out of the ring.

There was a lot of joking backstage about how Morgan should have taken the kid out. There was also some heat on Universal Studios security for allowing the kid to get to the ring. The boy was caught and told that he is no longer allowed to attend shows at the Impact Zone.

Is that supposed to be punishment?

Providence Peep
07-17-2010, 11:35 AM
Is that supposed to be punishment?

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking :lol:

Schlomey
07-17-2010, 12:05 PM
:rofl:

Kane Knight
07-17-2010, 12:15 PM
But are the people in charge of TNA just TRYING to fail, or do they have no fucking clue what they're doing??

I seriously doubt they have any negative intent. I think they're just idiots. Or blind. Or something.

Dixie Carter very recently said that "Things don't ALWAYS have to make sense." on her twitter.

To which I thought to myself "In Wrestling, it usually DOES."

To be fair, that was a JJ Abrahms asspull (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull). She just parroted it. People usually expect it from most TV, but Abrahms manages to pull it off.

jskinnyg
07-17-2010, 12:53 PM
:y::y::y::lol:They're aren't nothing. They have more than enough talent to put on a respectable, even a very good wrestling show. It's just almost like they don't want to.

The Pope
07-17-2010, 01:08 PM
While it may have been planned ages ago, even before the good stuff that the Nexus is doing just now, it came accross as a clusterfuck rip off is what I was saying.

The Nexus one sucked just as bad, if not worse. Nobody defends the WWE? That's kind of dumb.

BizarroKing
07-17-2010, 03:33 PM
WCW Super Group will include: Disco Inferno, Berlin, Prince Iakuai, Meng, Bobby Duncam, Jr & their leader The Taskmaster

Bobby Jr died.

As for the angle itself, it needs major improvement. How I dunno.

CSL
07-17-2010, 03:34 PM
Bobby Duncam Jr's corpse in the middle of the ring would probably be a major improvement.

thedamndest
07-17-2010, 03:47 PM
I have never seen an invasion angle where the backstage guys and referees are the first wave of attackers in the attempt to repel the invaders. So that was new.

Vastardikai
07-17-2010, 04:05 PM
To be fair, that was a JJ Abrahms asspull (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull). She just parroted it. People usually expect it from most TV, but Abrahms manages to pull it off.

Pro Wrestling =/= JJ Abrahms. But that's kind of duh.

Rammsteinmad
07-17-2010, 04:55 PM
I didn't like this angle when it was first rumoured, and I don't like it now. ECW is dead, people need to stop living in 2001.

On the other hand, Stevie Richards looked cool there... maybe a Stevie Richards push in next in line... :cool:

Kane Knight
07-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Pro Wrestling =/= JJ Abrahms. But that's kind of duh.

Actually, it looks very much like Pro Wrestling = JJ Abrahms.

That wasn't really the point, though. However, considering how little sense pro wrestling canon makes, I'd be surprised if Lost wasn't at least partially inspired by Vincent Kennedy McHammer.

Kane Knight
07-17-2010, 11:49 PM
I didn't like this angle when it was first rumoured, and I don't like it now. ECW is dead, people need to stop living in 2001.

On the other hand, Stevie Richards looked cool there... maybe a Stevie Richards push in next in line... :cool:
there are still people living in 1981. I don't think we're going to see people stop living in 2001 for another 50 years or so.

Jeritron
07-17-2010, 11:53 PM
Whoever said it was awesome came from the Impact Zone. We should have known

Schlomey
07-18-2010, 01:44 AM
Bobbies dead :(

Mr. Nerfect
07-18-2010, 03:17 AM
I'm going to go against the wave and say I don't think it is as bad as people are chalking it up (or down) to be. It didn't really give me goosebumps like ECW showing up in the WWE did, or the Nexus angle -- but as far as a solid storyline goes, it may have hope.

Here are things I like about the angle:

* To a degree -- how messy it is. Look, I know people are used to professional wrestling being clean and making perfect sense with clear motivations all the time (*snort*), but I can appreciate the direction TNA goes sometimes in that the characters often act like real people, and don't always wear their motives on their sleeves, even if it doesn't always work. For example: Tara joining Madison Rayne may not make any sense yet, but I'm sure when the time comes, we will know why Tara does as Tara does.

* That we didn't get a whole parade of wrestlers running down was a nice touch, I think. It makes things seem unscripted. It's not a wrestler's job to be security for a show. So, of course, security is hammered first. Also, the TNA guys who ran into the ring were jumped as soon as they got in. The ECW four had the ring covered and the higher ground advantage.

* Sometimes when you are in a fight, you don't really stop to think about what your motivations are. Devon, for example, probably just felt like hitting some TNA guys he didn't like because some of his old mates were in trouble.

* I like guys like Al Snow, Stevie Richards and Rhino, so I am glad to see them do something. Even if it is 2010.

Now, it was far from the brilliant television TNA was going for, I'm sure; but I wasn't particularly offended by it. It just depends on where TNA takes the angle. We need some explanation as to why these guys are doing what they're doing. Raven is brilliant when it comes to the psychology side of the business. Let him talk about why he and Tommy Dreamer are now aligned.

There's also the problem of credibility. The fact is, most of these ECW guys didn't really amount to main event status in their careers. Raven and Rhino were NWA World Heavyweight Champions in TNA, but they're getting up there in age now. Raven, in particular, doesn't look like he can handle the schedule of being a full-time wrestler. These guys probably shouldn't be put over as the biggest threat even if they were in shape. That's why I think Raven needs to play the mind games, Rhino needs to be the tank, Richards needs to reveal that he's entered a late prime, and all that sort of thing if this angle is even going to remotely stand on its legs.

In fact, part of me hopes that they blow this angle wide open, and have Dixie Carter say she brought them in because the ECW name still tests well with demographics, only for Jarrett to tell her it is 2010, and they need to earn their spots. Maybe even paint these guys as bitter old men who never achieved, and have Rob Van Dam distance himself from the group because of it.

Nark Order
07-18-2010, 03:58 AM
Shut the fuck up, Noid.

Mr. Nerfect
07-18-2010, 04:01 AM
If this turns into a somewhat decent storyline, you owe me a Coke.

Nark Order
07-18-2010, 04:01 AM
It boggles my mind how they could do this awful with such a proven, fool proof angle. All they had to do was just rip it off completely if they were going to rip it off. They couldn't just simply transfer it from one show to another. Jesus fucking hell.

Mr. Nerfect
07-18-2010, 10:12 AM
To be honest, I think a lot of the problems with it actually come from the guys they are using. Even in their time, they weren't exactly the biggest threats to anybody. Some of them got very fucking over (as was everybody during that era), but having guys like Dreamer, Richards and Raven beating up people in 2010 has got problems that go deeper than presentation.

The Mackem
07-19-2010, 07:18 AM
Narc has hit what the main problem is going to be from the get go. They are basically too old. The most exciting bit about that was when the younger talent hit the ring and added some energy. The announcing was dreadful there as well.

Skippord
07-19-2010, 07:29 AM
Stevie Richards looked like a Greek God standing next to Raven

Mr. Nerfect
07-19-2010, 08:44 AM
I'd rather the ECW guys took some TNA talent under their wing. I'd personally have gone with Mr. Anderson as the focal part of the group. Have the ECW oldies help him out at Victory Road, and he wins the TNA World Heavyweight Title, and RVD is all "What the fuck?"

Have them cut promos about how they never got their chance in the main event. They've had their runs here and there, but when the money comes in, they are ushered out for the more "mainstream" guys. They reveal they hate Rob Van Dam, because he pretty much outgrew them. Anderson, however, has had the same streak of luck they have had. Plus, in real life, Anderson is someone that Paul Heyman really supported. If you brought him in as the mastermind behind the group, he could easily explain why Anderson fits his image of a new force in professional wrestling.

Several X-Division guys and all that could join. Samoa Joe has his relationship with Taz which is still occasionally referenced. Taz could get him into the group as their fire-power.

The Pope
07-19-2010, 10:50 AM
Stevie Richards looked like a Greek God standing next to Raven

I'm pretty sure he is a God. :yes:

Kane Knight
07-19-2010, 11:48 AM
THIS IS AWESOME! *clap clap clapclapclap*

Rollermacka
07-19-2010, 12:22 PM
Stevie Richards looked like a Greek God standing next to Raven

To be fair Raven is in his mid 40s and doesnt he have a Thyroid problem? (I'm not sure exactly what a throid problem does, but my Mom has one and she has no endurance and retains alot of water weight)

Kane Knight
07-19-2010, 01:35 PM
To be fair Raven is in his mid 40s and doesnt he have a Thyroid problem? (I'm not sure exactly what a throid problem does, but my Mom has one and she has no endurance and retains alot of water weight)

Is your mum an active wrestler?

Not to be too cheeky, but Raven's gonna be criticised for being in the ring with a Thyroid condition.

The Mackem
07-20-2010, 06:39 AM
ROLLERMACKA's MOMMA

*clap clap clapclapclap*

Mr. Nerfect
07-20-2010, 07:32 AM
Is your mum an active wrestler?

Not to be too cheeky, but Raven's gonna be criticised for being in the ring with a Thyroid condition.

Pretty much this. It sucks the dude has health problems, and it's awesome that he can still be in shape enough to technically get in the ring and work a match or whatever -- but that doesn't mean he'll be easy to accept as a main event star as long as we overlook his problems and such.

Raven as a manager or color commentator is instant win. Raven as an active wrestler, ESPECIALLY one that is in the centre of a main event storyline, might not be such the case.

Skippord
07-20-2010, 07:37 AM
I would love for Raven to be TNA World Champion

one of my favorite characters ever, Richards did just look like he was chiseled from stone comparatively

Rollermacka
07-21-2010, 04:13 PM
Is your mum an active wrestler?

Not to be too cheeky, but Raven's gonna be criticised for being in the ring with a Thyroid condition.

ROLLERMACKA's MOMMA

*clap clap clapclapclap*

Lol, you know she's only in her early 50s and had knee surgury once... The sad part is she'd be better in the ring than that Rosie Lottalove.

PullMyFinger
07-22-2010, 04:28 AM
ok I just saw it. Here is a couple notes:

1. The TNA wrestlers came off as the "inept guards" in the Austin Powers movies

2. Al Snow joined with the ECW guys yet when Dixie said "I invited them" they cut to him and he looks horridly confused and screams "WHAT??" -- How could he have been with the group and not known what the fuck was going on...I guess he just randomly started beating fuckers up.

3. They didn't even make mention to RVD (the champion face) beating up TNA guys during this mess.

4. Wow I didn't know D-Lo worked in TNA.


5. I didn't see it as the TNA guys coming out to help Abyss but rather to get the outsiders away from the champion or just simply out of their ring. Nobody really "helped" abyss during this mess.



Basically that is all my notes. I'm confused and not happy with how it went down.
LOL @ Al Snow saying "WHAT?" I was confused about that too. LMAO

Triple Naitch
07-22-2010, 10:28 AM
What kind of confidence does this give to the people of Orlando that their own policemen can't stop a bunch of over weight, mid-40's wrestlers?

Disturbed316
07-22-2010, 04:39 PM
When did they go back to a four sided ring? :?:

Kane Knight
07-22-2010, 04:55 PM
When did they go back to a four sided ring? :?:
When they moved to Monday Nights.

jerichoholicninja
07-22-2010, 10:49 PM
Wow. Words cannot describe how bad that was. The best part was the little boy in the background at the end when they were showing Jarrett.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=128&pictureid=1454

Nark Order
07-23-2010, 12:03 PM
After Impact this week, I kind of pity Tommy Dreamer a bit. His whole life is revolving about a promotion that ended like 10 years ago. I know that he's an emotional guy, but Jesus. To hold on to an idea for so long, even years after its demise is pretty sad.

Xero
07-23-2010, 12:04 PM
Even years after he got proper closure.

BUT OH SHIT! WWE SHAT ON THE ECW BRAND! WELL NOW OLD WOUNDS ARE OPEN AGAIN!