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Chris Nowinski recently spoke about the WWE work environment, steroid use and more. Here are the highlights…
On Steroid Use: “The WWE rewards the guys who use them.”
On The Unsafe Work Environment: “They have an environment where it’s absolutely unsafe to work in that ring. They have no oversight into what actually happens in the ring. And they are encouraging steroid use,” he said, citing the enormous physiques of recent champions such as Triple H and Batista. “It’s garbage that they’re not using stuff,” he said. “They absolutely know what’s going on.”
On Painkiller Use In WWE: “They’re taking pain killers because they’re working 200 nights a year and getting hit unlike anyone in the history of the wrestling business — it wasn’t like that in the ’80s, it wasn’t like that in the ’70s” he said. “I used to go through tables for four days a week.”
On Linda’s Comments On Lance Cade: “That’s complete garbage,” he said. “Just kicking dirt on the guy’s grave.”
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I don't know what to say.
The Show Off
08-19-2010, 01:35 PM
God help me I actually agree with Linda McMahon. She is no more responsible for Cade's death than a studio is for the death of Heath Ledger.
DAMN iNATOR
08-19-2010, 01:44 PM
Tempted right now to use a certain one-word, mono-syllabic phrase, but don't really want to revert back to being seen as how I was in '07 (fucking awful in other words). Instead I'll just say Nowinski is being a ridiculous prick who hasn't been anywhere near WWE for like 7 years. Now he's going around claiming that guys who roid up are being rewarded which I do not see happening at all in today's WWE environment, and accusing Triple H and Batista just as examples of being the main ones using right now, when he could have mentioned several others who are probably (but at least I'm not dumb enough to go around saying definitely) using them as well. Just one example, I'm sure there's at least a few more, but even though Chris Masters has slimmed down a bit, I'm almost certain he still takes them, just at a much lower dosage than before.
And him shitting on Linda? :nono: Jesus, dude had been out of WWE for like 2 years prior to his death, and even if his heart failure was because of painkiller usage, it's not like it wasn't his own personal choice to take them. It's not like Vince or anyone with any real power in WWE is going to say "Here, take one of these after every match to ease your pain or we'll fire your ass!" or anything.
Nowinski just needs to shut up and go back to his damned research or something.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 01:48 PM
Fuck Nowinski, he's just a bitter wrestling fan cos he didnt make it. End of
Swiss Ultimate
08-19-2010, 01:57 PM
I just hope he's wrong. I thought that WWE turned a corner with steroid and painkiller abuse.
Heyman
08-19-2010, 01:58 PM
Even if Nowinski is truthful in what he says, he comes across as being fairly bitter in my opinion.
I agree with everything he just said. I dont see how this is " trashing " the wwe. Look at Edge. The guy obviously went off the roids. You can just tell. You think he's getting a push anytime soon? He looks like a pitcher for the the MLB now. Before his injury the dude was jacked and that was even when they claimed that they turned that corner.
You guys really think they're traveling as much as they do and keeping these body's naturally? You're living in a dream world if you think that.
where is the whole interview btw?
If Linda McMahon said that, she's delusional.
I mean, do you guys really think that these guys from Nexus arent jacked up or havent been jacked up on steroids? Do you really think that when they go out on 6 month injuriy leave, they arent roiding? Thats pretty rediculous if you believe that. You dont travel 260 days a year and keep ripped like most of these guys do. Plus not to mention, not take pain killers or do any other illegal substances. Do i even have to explain how incredibly difficult that would be?
Wrestling fans need to get a clue.
BizarroKing
08-19-2010, 02:12 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nowinski technically still work for WWE?
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 02:27 PM
I agree with everything he just said. I dont see how this is " trashing " the wwe. Look at Edge. The guy obviously went off the roids. You can just tell. You think he's getting a push anytime soon? He looks like a pitcher for the the MLB now. Before his injury the dude was jacked and that was even when they claimed that they turned that corner.
You guys really think they're traveling as much as they do and keeping these body's naturally? You're living in a dream world if you think that.
Fucking retard here folks
Do you harcore wrestling fans think Roddy Piper and the likes, come back once a year for the love of it? Do you really think Nowinski is some dumb hack running around trashing WWE out of spite? He's a harvard grad with a degree in sociology. His work has landed on 60 minutes and other high profile magazines and news media. This isnt Rakishi. This isnt Doink the clown. What do you think happens to guys with no education or degree to fall back on. No movie deals like The Rock and Steve Austin? Talk to me in 5- 10 years about HBK. I guarantee the guy is walking around like a cripple. These wrestlers give there bodies up for a pay check and guys like Chris will be making money for the rest of his life. Nowinski will be making more money in a life time then 99% of the roster in the WWE now . I truely doubt he's running around spouting this shit out of spite. And it amazes me that even in today's age, we need a guy like him to say this stuff. It should be known knowledge. Wrestling is a helluva a sport if you're a fan. Not so good if you're a wrestler. And every single one of those guys will do what they have to do to make a paycheck.
DAMN iNATOR
08-19-2010, 02:36 PM
where is the whole interview btw?
If Linda McMahon said that, she's delusional.
Why, because she shouldn't be held responsible for the independent actions of an individual, even if they took painkillers or other such on company time? Like I said before, I'm sure it's not like they just pass a bunch of painkillers around every night to all the workers to take after a show like it's candy. They (the individual wrestlers) must each choose for themselves whether or not they want and/or need to be taking a painkiller after the show.
The End.
Why, because she shouldn't be held responsible for the independent actions of an individual, even if they took painkillers or other such on company time? Like I said before, I'm sure it's not like they just pass a bunch of painkillers around every night to all the workers to take after a show like it's candy. They (the individual wrestlers) must each choose for themselves whether or not they want and/or need to be taking a painkiller after the show.
The End.
take that logic to a real sport and see how it fly's. That shit dont fly when the boss is trotting out a new policy every year and ignoring the very policy. Good lord you guys are blind.
erickman
08-19-2010, 02:39 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nowinski technically still work for WWE?
if he did not any more
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 02:42 PM
I agree with Rectal Pertruder.
Also I had no idea Lance Cade was dead.
if he did not any more
who cares? He doesnt btw. But why would he? 20 years from now he's gunna be walking on his own power and making more money then everybody not named a McMahon.
20 years from now HBK will have God and a prescription to fill every week. Will you be rooting your hero on then?
Biggz
08-19-2010, 02:48 PM
He's just mad because he was on Tough Enough season 1 which got his name out there. Then even though he didn't win they decided to give him a job anyways and they started to push him. Then for whatever reason the push stopped and he was let go. He is just bitter because he doesn't have a job on television anymore and this is his way of trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame. Only problem is nobody cares about him anymore.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 02:50 PM
20 years from now HBK will have God and a prescription to fill every week. Will you be rooting your hero on then?
HBK hasn't got any drug problems and the limping might happen to some but im sure the same can be said for NFL, Soccer, Ice Hockey or any other players of contact sports. WWE stars are paid huge sums of money so if they piss it all away thats their own fault. You're a fuckin hack
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 02:51 PM
He's just mad because he was on Tough Enough season 1 which got his name out there. Then even though he didn't win they decided to give him a job anyways and they started to push him. Then for whatever reason the push stopped and he was let go. He is just bitter because he doesn't have a job on television anymore and this is his way of trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame. Only problem is nobody cares about him anymore.
YES
He's just mad because he was on Tough Enough season 1 which got his name out there. Then even though he didn't win they decided to give him a job anyways and they started to push him. Then for whatever reason the push stopped and he was let go. He is just bitter because he doesn't have a job on television anymore and this is his way of trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame. Only problem is nobody cares about him anymore.
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you're the most retarded person on this forum. Enjoy it for 10 minutes. I'm positive someone will come in here and take your crown.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 02:53 PM
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you're the most retarded person on this forum. Enjoy it for 10 minutes. I'm positive someone will come in here and take your crown.
why are you so fuckin sure Nowinski is right? are you dating him?
why are you so fuckin sure Nowinski is right? are you dating him?
i dunno. I guess i live in reality. Not even sure how i got in this forum.
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 02:55 PM
Chris Nowinski retired from pro wrestling because he developed post concussion syndrome and didn't want to destroy his life. Do some research before you talk shit.
why are you so fuckin sure Nowinski is right? are you dating him?
Save your white reps please. You dont deserve to show up on my rep page. And stop PM'ing me too. You're fucking stupid.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 02:58 PM
Chris Nowinski retired from pro wrestling because he developed post concussion syndrome and didn't want to destroy his life. Do some research before you talk shit.
Yes, he was injured because he sucked hard in the ring. Thats his fault but im sure he blames WWE. . . . bitterness. You see?
Yes, he was injured because he sucked hard in the ring. Thats his fault but im sure he blames WWE. . . . bitterness. You see?
I wish you were one of Benoits kids so we'd never have this conversation, but since you arent, go drink AIDS juice.
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 03:03 PM
Nowinski is one of the few people actually qualified to talk about stuff like this that actually gives a shit about pro wrestling. He's trying to help wrestlers and make their jobs safer. But wrestling fans hate change and shit on anyone who talks bad about their precious product.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 03:05 PM
Nowinski is one of the few people actually qualified to talk about stuff like this that actually gives a shit about pro wrestling. He's trying to help wrestlers and make their jobs safer. But wrestling fans hate change and shit on anyone who talks bad about their precious product.
Simpsons is shit and has been for a long time. Good run for 3 years in the early 90's. since then it has sucked all ass
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 03:07 PM
LOL
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 03:07 PM
I wish you were one of Benoits kids so we'd never have this conversation, but since you arent, go drink AIDS juice.
This one time like 2 years ago, i saw two guys 69 with each other in the park, and that was the gayest thing id ever seen until i was made aware of your shitty existence.
I'm so confused by the last HBpunk comment that i'm just gunna leave
Fignuts
08-19-2010, 03:09 PM
Some of you have reached a delusional state that is absoloutly profound.
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 03:09 PM
I'm so confused by the last HBpunk comment that i'm just gunna leave
dont let your balls slap your dad on the way out junior
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 03:10 PM
Some of you have reached a delusional state that is absoloutly profound.
absolOUTly right
HBPunk
08-19-2010, 03:12 PM
k
Jeritron
08-19-2010, 03:15 PM
People are insane who think WWE's wellness policy is anything close to legitimate, or that the McMahons don't know damn well what a fucking mess the business is
Jeritron
08-19-2010, 03:18 PM
These guys don't even have health insurance or benefits for retirement. Think of what they do for a living. People who sit at a desk all day get health coverage, but these guys who are going through physical hell nightly don't.
Jeritron
08-19-2010, 03:19 PM
I just hope he's wrong. I thought that WWE turned a corner with steroid and painkiller abuse.
Like this post. What the fuck? You honestly think William Regal is flunking piss tests and Batista and HHH aren't?
rofl yah.
to me Edge is the best example. The guy goes out on an injury or something and comes back looking like Bronson Arroyo. This guy was fucking jacked to hell. He got huge. Anyone with eyes can see it. But hardcore fans wear blinders i guess.
Jeritron
08-19-2010, 03:28 PM
Plus it has to be taken into account that WWE has perpetuated such ridiculous physiques for so long that guys don't even look close to as big as they really are.
You see Batista and HHH and they look like monsters on TV, but they're even more ridiculous in real life. To look big on WWE TV you need to be a freakshow. Guys like Edge and Jericho who look normal or small on TV are probably diesel in real life.
WWE has created that illusion.
Mooияakeя™
08-19-2010, 03:38 PM
lol @ this thread.
McLegend
08-19-2010, 03:56 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nowinski technically still work for WWE?
No he does not.
Pretty sure after the whole Benoit thing Nowinski said stuff about WWE and how they need to change and WWE cut ties with him shortly after.
McLegend
08-19-2010, 03:58 PM
These guys don't even have health insurance or benefits for retirement. Think of what they do for a living. People who sit at a desk all day get health coverage, but these guys who are going through physical hell nightly don't.
Exactly they have no health insurance, and who needs health more insurance then retired Pro wrestlers?
Even if you make $1 million a year no one wants to pay for medical stuff on there own. That shit adds up.
Nicky Fives
08-19-2010, 04:03 PM
Guess Who's Bitter *clap* *clap* *clap**clap**clap*
DAMN iNATOR
08-19-2010, 04:36 PM
take that logic to a real sport and see how it fly's. That shit dont fly when the boss is trotting out a new policy every year and ignoring the very policy. Good lord you guys are blind.
You're forgetting that in "real sports" as you so eloquently put it, there are major deterrents/disincentives put in place to make sure that coaches, owners and other exec's don't ignore the policies they or the governing body (commissioner or whoever) put in place without serious consequences which can lead to major fines and/or suspensions/termination of jobs.
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Great, so we shouldn't have to be decent human beings unless there's someone there to correct us.
The Pope
08-19-2010, 04:44 PM
Chris Nowiniski should be the new CEO of wrestling worldwide.
Jeritron
08-19-2010, 04:51 PM
Great, so we shouldn't have to be decent human beings unless there's someone there to correct us.
That's why those darn atheists are so scary
Kane Knight
08-19-2010, 04:55 PM
RP, Supreme and Jeritron covered most of what I have to say, so I'll snark instead:
Linda's right. It's well known that Hollywood won't hire anyone for a leading role unless they're on sleeping pills.
thedamndest
08-19-2010, 04:56 PM
All of Chris Nowinski's research into head trauma and how to save lives really makes him sound like he's bitter because he left the WWE.
Jesus. Anyone who would say that has no perception outside of whether someone works for the WWE or not.
Does Linda McMahon literally force drugs down a guy's throat? No. But the WWE's business model is based on year-round shows. Big, healthy guys get pushed. It's rare to stay big and healthy without being on some kind of drug, so the nature of the business model forces wrestlers to use the drugs. If that were the case with any other sport there would be more concern, possibly even legal involvement, but that isn't the case. The WWE gets away with it because they're entertainment.
ron the dial
08-19-2010, 05:07 PM
i know that the wrestling forum is generally full of retards and social degenerates, but the level of retardation shown by some in this thread is off the charts. if you truly believe that nowinski is saying any of this because he is bitter about not making it in the WWE, then i hate you and everybody should hate you, too. jesus. don't even know right now.
McLegend
08-19-2010, 05:14 PM
WWE is only wrong when they decide not to give Chris Jericho the World title. They are 100% right on everything else.
They are infallible.
Kane Knight
08-19-2010, 05:37 PM
WWE is only wrong when they decide not to give Chris Jericho the World title. They are 100% right on everything else.
They are infallible.
lol yeah. Gotta love the way the WWE apologists work.
HBPunk should never be allowed in this forum again. Utter stupidity.
Loose Cannon
08-19-2010, 05:42 PM
I remember Kurt Angle looking like the fucking incredible Hulk a couple years ago. Then he starts looking like he just came back from a season on Survivor like a year later
bigslimjj
08-19-2010, 05:45 PM
The dude's face gets caved in and he has a major head trauma and heart failure at a young age. Why? Wrestling,that's why. The head trauma of "He who should not be named" was one of the possible leading causes of him KILLING his wife and son.Steroids were the other. I think Chris Harvard has a good point and there should be more responsibility placed on wrestling's first family including the one running for senate.
Fuck Nowinski, he's just a bitter wrestling fan cos he didnt make it. End of
lollllll you can't be serious.
Theo Dious
08-19-2010, 07:44 PM
“I used to go through tables for four days a week.”
If you had a problem with it then WHY DID YOU DO IT YOU STUPID SON OF A BITCH.
There's a very simple solution to not liking your working environment. FUCKING LEAVE. It's not like this particular individual didn't have options, he has a FUCKING HARVARD DEGREE.
Emperor Smeat
08-19-2010, 07:48 PM
It doesn't sound like he's trashing the WWE itself like previous wrestlers in the past (ex. Kanyon on issue of gays or Raven on issue of unions). The wellness policy flaws and the past of only pushing roided wrestlers are still critical issues even though the WWE does provide funding to any former or present WWE wrestler who wants to rehab due to drugs or other problems.
He is trashing what Linda said since to him it appears she doesn't care about her employees while implying WWE has no input on well-being outside the ring or in their free time.
Gertner
08-19-2010, 07:53 PM
Um, didn't guys in the 70's and especially 80's used to wrestle sometimes twice a night for house shows? I don't know what the hell Chris Havard is talking about.
Droford
08-19-2010, 08:21 PM
I think he should be the one to debate Linda McMahon lol
Supreme Olajuwon
08-19-2010, 08:25 PM
If you had a problem with it then WHY DID YOU DO IT YOU STUPID SON OF A BITCH.
There's a very simple solution to not liking your working environment. FUCKING LEAVE. It's not like this particular individual didn't have options, he has a FUCKING HARVARD DEGREE.
Actually he did leave. He used his Harvard degree to write a book about the dangers of head injuries in sports and also is on the board of an institute that does research about head injuries in sports. He also does various speaking events and appears on talk shows.
I'm surprised you didn't hear about that.
tjmidnight420
08-19-2010, 09:27 PM
This thread is freaking funny. Harvard may be bitter, not my place to say, but for the most part he's right. Like was said above: Wrestling's first family should set a better example.
Kane Knight
08-19-2010, 10:28 PM
Actually he did leave. He used his Harvard degree to write a book about the dangers of head injuries in sports and also is on the board of an institute that does research about head injuries in sports. He also does various speaking events and appears on talk shows.
I'm surprised you didn't hear about that.
Facvts and logic won't stop a Tedious Spazzout.
jskinnyg
08-19-2010, 10:51 PM
I agree with everything he just said. I dont see how this is " trashing " the wwe. Look at Edge. The guy obviously went off the roids. You can just tell. You think he's getting a push anytime soon? He looks like a pitcher for the the MLB now. Before his injury the dude was jacked and that was even when they claimed that they turned that corner.
You guys really think they're traveling as much as they do and keeping these body's naturally? You're living in a dream world if you think that.
This kinda... I do think he is severly bitter, but it sounds like a lotta truth to this...
SuperSlim
08-19-2010, 11:21 PM
Yes, he was injured because he sucked hard in the ring. Thats his fault but im sure he blames WWE. . . . bitterness. You see?
Really? Really? He was injured due to a botch from Edge. 2003 Royal Rumble. Rey and Edge went for a double drop kick from opposite corners. Rey leapt off first and connected. Edge was a little late and Chris was down and Edge dropped right over his head.
So to say that he was injured cause he "sucked hard" is... just dumb to put it lightly.
Phenomenal 1
08-20-2010, 12:57 AM
While the policies that WWE has in place are to prevent/alleviate further incidents of premature death and physical injuries from within the company seemed to come for some people a little too late after the deaths of Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, and others I think its at least fitting to say better late than ever.
While I wish that wrestlers that have all died before the ages of 40 were still with us, nothing is going to change the fact that they are no longer here and that we can't do anything to change their situation, but the industry of professional wrestling as a whole can put steps in place to alleviate and prevent further acts and incidents like this in future.
Whether WWE's current policy is to the highest bearing standard or the most effective method isn't for us to judge and we are not experts on the industry, nor are we are given insight to the day to day operations of WWE and what goes on when the cameras are off.
Nowinski is genuine and very knowledgeable on one hand about his previous history and work with head trauma, traumatic brain/head injuries, concussions, and other types of sports related injuries that have caused premature death in athletes in their prime or before the age of 45, he does seem to come across as bitter.
It does nothing to change the situation or the industry for him to sit their and bash WWE and do all the finger pointing at them. WWE is being pushed by him and the media into the spotlight because they are the premier company when it comes to pro wrestling, so naturally the blame and focus is going to be on them.
Rather than finger pointing, Nowinski should be going to WWE Officials and trying to work with them, instead of giving TV and Radio interview saying how Linda Mcmahon is full of crap. Why are we even talking about Linda McMahon, who no longer even runs the company or has anything to do with is fiscal operations?
Why are we not focusing on the industry as a whole rather than just WWE. Are we saying that WWE is the only company to blame and that its the only company in the pro wrestling industry that has these problems. What about TNA Wrestling, the NWA, Ring of Honor, Dragon Gate USA, Chikara, Pro Wrestling NOAH, AAA in Mexico, or any other independent promotion. The problems just don't stem from one company, it stems from the entire industry and till the industry as a whole takes responsibility for it, then its going to continue to exist.
WWE just catches the most flack because they have a major television deal, they are the #1 supplier of the prodcut in the industry, they have the biggest names/stars in the industry, and most of all they are a publicly traded company.
It so happens that some of the top draws in the business and most known names in the business within the last 20 years have died while under employment or had previous employment with WWE and they catch the heat when wrestlers are dying from enlarged hearts and overdoses.
Do you think this problem just started overnight? No, this is a result of years of substance abuse, punishment on the body, and lack of overall care/well being for the individual by themselves. The industry can't be blamed for what happened to these wrestlers, WWE can't be repsonsible for their deaths financially. These wrestlers made the choice to use and no one forced their hand.
What the industry is responsbile to do is educate and train the current generation and next generation of athletes that are taking up the pro wrestling banner on how to prevent this, put steps in place to identify problems, offer services/treatment for those that need it, and most importantly, no pose threat/danger to others in the industry by employing abusers and allowing them to perform in the business.
Change does have to happen but it has to happen from within the industry as a whole and the finger pointing and blame at one specific company or person has to stop to start recovery from this and allow any change to be possible or the pattern will cycle over and continue to repeat itself.
Phenomenal 1
08-20-2010, 01:00 AM
This thread is freaking funny. Harvard may be bitter, not my place to say, but for the most part he's right. Like was said above: Wrestling's first family should set a better example.
Wrestling's real first family is more than likely not the McMahons and is not the McMahons. its JCP and the NWA, The Crocketts were the first family of wrestling. Crockett Sr was promoting in the Carolina and Georgia territories in the 50's and 60's. Mcmahon didn't come into the picture until the mid to late 70's and it was his old man. VKM didn't buyout his father until January of 1982.
Johnny McNasty
08-20-2010, 01:47 AM
I believe he is talking about the current day first family. You wouldn't say something about the first family today, and be alluding to the Reagans or the Clintons
Favre4Ever
08-20-2010, 01:59 AM
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YoungFlyFlashy
08-20-2010, 03:48 AM
What is going on in here? Oh yeah, one adult being bitter because he realized his dreamn finally, but sadly found out that living your dream could turn into a nightmare. Ok Chris we get it, behind the scenes, wrestling sucks, actually we've "been got it" for years now. Waaaay before you popped up on some fluke opportunity called Tough Enough. Adults STILL decide to chase their dream and become wrestlers, THEIR CHOICE! I am just a fan, never been in the business a day in my life but even I know...
1. Travel sucks
2. No insurance
3. Steroids
4. Never home
5. Unhealthy
6. Dangerous
7. No longevity
8. Most of my favorite wrestlers are either: crippled, broke, or/and addicts
And I am sure you knew this too before you joined, now he is upset because he got hurt and can no longer perform. Give it up kid, you got a tough piece of steak, use your Harvard Degree and chew on something lighter, and STOP REPEATING "INSIDE DIRT" ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN SAID/EXPOSED SINCE ABOUT 1995!!
Johnny McNasty
08-20-2010, 05:08 AM
I believe the guy is trying to change some of those negative things about pro wrestling, by using his personal experiences and education. Pretty much everything he says is spot on. I think the WWE needs to improve the way they go about handling steroid/painkiller use in their company. It depresses the shit out of me hearing about these guys dropping dead before 40 every other month or so.
What is going on in here? Oh yeah, one adult being bitter because he realized his dreamn finally, but sadly found out that living your dream could turn into a nightmare. Ok Chris we get it, behind the scenes, wrestling sucks, actually we've "been got it" for years now. Waaaay before you popped up on some fluke opportunity called Tough Enough. Adults STILL decide to chase their dream and become wrestlers, THEIR CHOICE! I am just a fan, never been in the business a day in my life but even I know...
1. Travel sucks
2. No insurance
3. Steroids
4. Never home
5. Unhealthy
6. Dangerous
7. No longevity
8. Most of my favorite wrestlers are either: crippled, broke, or/and addicts
And I am sure you knew this too before you joined, now he is upset because he got hurt and can no longer perform. Give it up kid, you got a tough piece of steak, use your Harvard Degree and chew on something lighter, and STOP REPEATING "INSIDE DIRT" ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN SAID/EXPOSED SINCE ABOUT 1995!!
Your right! He should just shut up and not try to induce a positive change in the business that he loved.
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Kane Knight
08-20-2010, 09:49 AM
I think its at least fitting to say better late than ever.
Except WWE had the wellness policy in place when Benoit killed his family and himself. the guy had a fuckton of steroids in his system at death, though there was no evidence of "roid rage."
While "better late than never" might be true, as well as "Something is better than nothing," it's hard to say either is particularly meaningful, you know?
Turns out, a lot of guys were on drugs. There have been two pharmacy scandals since then, and those are only the instances we know about. Guys who claimed they never did steroids, guys who claimed they didn't know it was wrong, and guys who died. Eddie not the least of which, a "born again Christian" who claimed to have kicked substance abuse.
Now, is it WWE's responsibility to monitor this sort of thing? Yes. They made it theirs with the Wellness Policy. They did that because Eddie Guerrero's death gave them a bloody nose and they needed to assure shareholders that they weren't running a toxic environment.
Problem is, they don't seem to want to enforce it. And it's not exactly hard to see why. It's not hard to see it in action, either.
BigDaddyCool
08-20-2010, 09:56 AM
Plus it has to be taken into account that WWE has perpetuated such ridiculous physiques for so long that guys don't even look close to as big as they really are.
You see Batista and HHH and they look like monsters on TV, but they're even more ridiculous in real life. To look big on WWE TV you need to be a freakshow. Guys like Edge and Jericho who look normal or small on TV are probably diesel in real life.
WWE has created that illusion.
So if a vanilla midget is diesel, what does that make Kevin Nash?
Awesome, that what is makes him.
Supreme Olajuwon
08-20-2010, 09:57 AM
Martin Luther King was just bitter about racism in the South. Therefore, his arguments hold no weight. He knew the deal when he started and if he hated it so much, he should've just moved north.
PapaGeorgio
08-20-2010, 10:15 AM
PG's Opinion:
He makes a lot of good points and I don't believe he is bitter. In regards to taking drugs being the wrestlers choice alone and WWE shouldn't be held responsible, I disagree. No one is denying that the wrestler is responsible for taking the drugs, but I don't think full blame can go to them. Instead a company like WWE has accepted that it is done for years. While they have slightly changed their image with it, it seems to be more of a smoke and mirrors type policy that nobody takes extremely serious. The fact is you see jacked guys on the top in WWE; odds are a good number of those guys are taking steroids.
The WWE lifestyle is such that you are wrestling an insane number of times a year. If you get pretty much an insignificant injury, you are going to go out the next night and wrestle. And continue wrestle, things never getting that much better. Never being anywhere close to 100%. Solution: take painkillers to help you get through it all. The wrestlers could say "Hey WWE, got this little injury need some time off to get better." But how many times can they say that? How many storylines can they put in jeopardy, costing WWE money. Costing themselves money, not being on PPVs getting extra bonus money. Not being pushed cause you are out of action.
This is how WWE is responsible. By not showing they care about their wrestlers as much as they should. By creating a demanding schedule for them. Even if you are not in WWE, it is the dream of many wrestlers to be there. So they put themselves through the same schedule because that is what they see. They see these stars that are bulked up and feel if they want to make it big, they must do the same. Are there some exceptions to the rule: sure. But WWE's corporate culture is such that they turn a blind eye to it all, giving up names they don't really care about to the wellness policy.
I dont mean to say WWE is completely evil and uncaring on this subject. They have taken some steps in the right direction, things seem a little better than say 20 years ago. It's just they are not doing everything they should be doing. Putting money infront of the wrestlers health/life.
Kane Knight
08-20-2010, 10:35 AM
Martin Luther King was just bitter about racism in the South. Therefore, his arguments hold no weight. He knew the deal when he started and if he hated it so much, he should've just moved north.
:y:
I don't get the whole "he's bitter" thing. It's got to be some sort of reassurance thing, right?
Honestly, it dosn't matter if he's bitter. Maybe he's going at this for all the wrong reasons, but he is right.
bigslimjj
08-20-2010, 12:28 PM
I believe he is talking about the current day first family. You wouldn't say something about the first family today, and be alluding to the Reagans or the ClintonsYea what he said.
Phenomenal 1
08-20-2010, 10:56 PM
I think some people are still missing the point that I was trying to make, IE i am diverting and responding in particular Papa Georgio here, why are we still focusing on WWE here, this is not just a WWE specific problem, this is a issue that is affecting every company in the business from the juggernaut WWE, the #2 in TNA, the independents, all the way down to the bingo hall promotions. The message is clear:
"companies putting pressure and demand on the wrestlers that if they want to survive in this business and be successful, you have to make sacrifices and do whatever it takes to be the top dollar draw, whether that be sacrificing the body, taking steroids, abusing alcohol to combat lonely nights on the road, and injecting painkillers to subside the demanding schedules that takes it toll on the body."
The objective is clear:
"Wrestling companies are turning a blind eye to the abuse and even going as far to endorse, possibly even supply the drugs, the muscle enhancers, and the painkillers. The environment provides no motivation nor does it detour the promotion and condeming of this type of behavior and substance/body abuse."
So what is the solution:
"Do we need federal government interjection like they have done with other professional athletes? Albeit we know that their is theatrical and fictional aspects of wrestling, but it does involve physical activity and contact, and thus make sthem atheletes. "
"Do we continue on the same downward spiral path and continue to support a product which does not endorse, support, or care for the employees that make it possible?"
"Or does the industry take drastic reform and the whole industry, not just WWE. Should WWE be the first to be the major player in reform, yes becuase they are the juggernaut, the shining light that the industry looks most heavily at."
Again my solution and my fingerpointing, doesn't stop or extend only to WWE, they are not innocent here but by no means are they the only culprits of this dibiliating problem in wrestling today.
Kane Knight
08-21-2010, 09:13 AM
WWE is the focus not only because it's the largest, but because it's the most evident. When you look at the WWE roster compared to the TNA one, you see a huge difference in physique, who gets pushed, etc. Would AJ Styles or Christian Cage be World Title material in WWE? No, I'm not counting ECW. Would you ever see Christian Main Event Raw as champ? Styles?
TNa also has a more relaxed schedule, which means more recoup time.
Not saying everyone but WWE is innocent, but there's a reason the major offender is singled out.
Phenomenal 1
08-21-2010, 09:33 AM
Thats the problem that the MAJOR offender is singled out....the three most notable deaths that stick out from WWE Talent are: Guerrero, Benoit, and Umaga...given the extensive nature of the damage to these men's bodies and the revalations made from the autopsy reports, there is no way in hell that the damage was done in a insignifcant period of time that these men were employed with WWE. This was years, if not decades of abuse by these gentleman.
The Pope
08-21-2010, 10:45 AM
Former wrestler and anti-head-trauma advocate Chris Nowinski said some very critical things about Senate candidate Linda McMahon and the WWE in a recent interview with NECN, alleging that the WWE encourages steroid use and provides an unsafe environment for its wrestlers. While the McMahon campaign has not responded, to my knowledge (an email to the campaign was not returned--then again, it was only one email), the WWE has.
The WWE emailed this response to Nowinski's criticisms today:
WWE RAISES CREDIBILITY ISSUES FOR CHRIS NOWINSKI
• Chris Nowinski did not reveal, as required, that he suffered previous concussions before signing his contract with WWE.
• He states WWE suggested that its performers take steroids. However, at no time does he ever state that it was suggested that he do so.
• His comments that WWE talent perform in matches 200 days a year is not factual. In 2009, the average active roster talent performed 135 days.
• A sheer fabrication --- that he went through tables four days a week.
• Mr. Nowinski states, "They have an environment where it's absolutely unsafe to work in that ring." "They have no oversight into what actually happens in the ring." If so, then why would Mr. Nowinski have ever wanted to be a part of such an environment?
• It is very dubious that he ever had a conversation with Lance Cade much less Lance Cade confiding to a total stranger that he used painkillers and steroids.
• Although renowned in the field of CTE, we are unaware of any specific qualifications or medical degrees that he possesses which would qualify him as an expert on steroids and pain killers.
McMahon and the WWE are inextricably linked on the campaign trail as the former CEO vies for Connecticut's open Senate seat: when Democrats attack McMahon, they attack the WWE. It's probably fair to say that McMahon's Senate campaign has brought more negative press to the WWE than it's had in years, as her political opponents make hay out of steroids, workplace safety, and the WWE's racy televised storylines.
Savio
08-21-2010, 10:52 AM
Yeah I doubt he went through 4 tables a week
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 10:58 AM
wwe emailed this to who? you?
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 11:02 AM
HBPunk should never be allowed in this forum again. Utter stupidity.
eat my cunt ya fag
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 11:03 AM
lollllll you can't be serious.
yes joanne i can
The Pope
08-21-2010, 11:07 AM
I don't know to who, where he works maybe.
Londoner
08-21-2010, 11:15 AM
wwe emailed this to who? you?
Ryan Clark, no doubt.
The Pope
08-21-2010, 11:18 AM
Ryan Clark, no doubt.
No, I got it from PWInsider.com
eat my cunt ya fag
Dunno if Juan needs to edit this. Just called yourself a woman.
Which would make the insulted one hetero.
Unless you're a hermaphrodite.
Which is it?
Kane Knight
08-21-2010, 11:20 AM
Reassurance?
Londoner
08-21-2010, 11:21 AM
I was being sarcastic, btw........
The Pope
08-21-2010, 11:21 AM
:rofl:
The Pope
08-21-2010, 11:22 AM
I was being sarcastic, btw........
I know
Londoner
08-21-2010, 11:22 AM
Good, just checkin.......
Londoner
08-21-2010, 11:25 AM
Dunno if Juan needs to edit this. Just called yourself a woman.
Which would make the insulted one hetero.
Unless you're a hermaphrodite.
Which is it?
Only HBpunk can make an insult backfire on him in such a way as this. :cool:
Kane Knight
08-21-2010, 12:37 PM
Thats the problem that the MAJOR offender is singled out....the three most notable deaths that stick out from WWE Talent are: Guerrero, Benoit, and Umaga...given the extensive nature of the damage to these men's bodies and the revalations made from the autopsy reports, there is no way in hell that the damage was done in a insignifcant period of time that these men were employed with WWE. This was years, if not decades of abuse by these gentleman.
most notable because of two of them being active wrestlers. Problem being, a lot of the other deaths are no less significant, just less famous or popular or active.
but WWE took in these guys and obviously didn't do what they were claiming to do. Despite warnings about head trauma that weren't known in the time Benoit started, he still took headhsots in WWE. Benoit, the "reformed" Gurerro, and several other people were juicing, even post-"Wellness Policy." Many of the locales no longer exist, and no longer endanger. WWE does. And has recently.
Chris and Eddie both got significantly jacked after joining the E. Also, if 7 years of juicing is insignificant, I want to know what the fuck is significant. Note that's about a third of Chris and Eddie's careers. 5-7 years is more than enough to fuck up your body with abuse. Can't speak for Umaga, and frankly, I can't be arsed to research. Maybe he's a better example, but seriously?
WWE pushed steroids hard, which is why so much of the WCW talent that came over suddenly got so much larger. WCW seemed to have a drug problem, but WWE still seems to even after the "Wellness Policy" and active claims of policing said policy.
So....
Eddie and Chris had years in WWE. That's all it really takes. WWE shouldn't be responsible for shit that happened before, but they continued to employ these guys, put them at risk, and pushed jacked men and promoted steroids. They had one of the most intense touring schedules, and pretty much do now by default. That schedule's lighter, but it still doesn't promote much recovery time, it still doesn't afford for the physiques that equal pushes, and it still doesn't line up with their claims of a safe work environment.
Jordan
08-21-2010, 01:26 PM
Why are so many people constantly trying to bring down the McMahon family?
One word.
Failure.
Chris I understand you need to make a living, but please chill out. We all know you wanted to be something you never had a shot at, and now that you got hurt you want to ruin everybody's fun.
Great rebuttal WWE lawyers.
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:39 PM
Dunno if Juan needs to edit this. Just called yourself a woman.
Which would make the insulted one hetero.
Unless you're a hermaphrodite.
Which is it?
Well since the act of him eating anything belonging to me is so ludicrous and never gonna happen, i decided to make it a redundant insult from the beginning. The fact that this guy is such a plank, i really have no interest in wasting my time thinking of any intelligent abuse. Is that ok Zero?
Well since the act of him eating anything belonging to me is so ludicrous and never gonna happen, i decided to make it a redundant insult from the beginning. The fact that this guy is such a plank, i really have no interest in wasting my time thinking of any intelligent abuse. Is that ok Zero?
But you never have any "intelligent abuse".
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:44 PM
Only HBpunk can make an insult backfire on him in such a way as this. :cool:
ya dude, your opinion on anything is like being a thumbtack. You might feel useful initially but in the end YOU ARE STILL A PRICK
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:49 PM
But you never have any "intelligent abuse".
I had a friend who, like you guys, has no life outside the internet. I realised years ago that being around him was torture cos he was a stubborn argumentative prick. A total nerd dickface too so i stopped hanging with him. Almost all of you guys here are identical to him so i couldn't be arsed arguing back with any sense. Plus, anytime i say anything sensible here now, i end up hit with a wall of abuse and the thread goes off topic so whats the point.
I had a friend who, like you guys, has no life outside the internet. I realised years ago that being around him was torture cos he was a stubborn argumentative prick. A total nerd dickface too so i stopped hanging with him. Almost all of you guys here are identical to him so i couldn't be arsed arguing back with any sense. Plus, anytime i say anything sensible here now, i end up hit with a wall of abuse and the thread goes off topic so whats the point.
Who do you think you are, Destro?
Londoner
08-21-2010, 01:50 PM
ya dude, your opinion on anything is like being a thumbtack. You might feel useful initially but in the end YOU ARE STILL A PRICK
oh noez!
Londoner
08-21-2010, 01:51 PM
But you never have any "intelligent abuse".
That's too much of a step up for him.:(
Could I have an example of an intelligent insult, HBPunk?
I'd like to know if you have the capacity required to construct one which doesn't contain words or phrases like "fag", "cocksucker" and "eat me".
Londoner
08-21-2010, 01:51 PM
I had a friend who, like you guys, has no life outside the internet. I realised years ago that being around him was torture cos he was a stubborn argumentative prick. A total nerd dickface too so i stopped hanging with him. Almost all of you guys here are identical to him so i couldn't be arsed arguing back with any sense. Plus, anytime i say anything sensible here now, i end up hit with a wall of abuse and the thread goes off topic so whats the point.
When the hell do you say something sensible?
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:53 PM
When the hell do you say something sensible?
i called you a prick earlier, that was spot on.
Londoner
08-21-2010, 01:54 PM
i called you a prick earlier, that was spot on.
:lol:
You sound like exactly the kinda friend you described in your earlier post.
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:55 PM
Could I have an example of an intelligent insult, HBPunk?
I'd like to know if you have the capacity required to construct one which doesn't contain words or phrases like "fag", "cocksucker" and "eat me".
First of all, im not an asshole but if you start on me ill insult you. And do i have to leave out fuck, shit, ass, jizz, pussy, bitch..etc also?
:lol:
You sound like exactly the kinda friend you described in your earlier post.
"Well I need to come down to your level."
He's going to come back with something like that. Let's watch and see.
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:56 PM
:lol:
You sound like exactly the kinda friend you described in your earlier post.
wel hes a fat virgin and im a very good looking non virgin
First of all, im not an asshole but if you start on me ill insult you. And do i have to leave out fuck, shit, ass, jizz, pussy, bitch..etc also?
Swearing is fine as long as it's not the whole insult.
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:57 PM
"Well I need to come down to your level."
He's going to come back with something like that. Let's watch and see.
very wrong sir
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Swearing is fine as long as it's not the whole insult.
ok now i need to know something about you so i can insult you. Like i insulted Joanne and his lust for dogs
HBPunk
08-21-2010, 01:59 PM
back later, gotta grab some food, im sure you guys will be here!! ;)
Londoner
08-21-2010, 02:00 PM
back later, gotta grab some food, im sure you guys will be here!! ;)
As will you.
This forum needs a facepalm smiley.
Vastardikai
08-21-2010, 04:34 PM
• Chris Nowinski did not reveal, as required, that he suffered previous concussions before signing his contract with WWE.
• He states WWE suggested that its performers take steroids. However, at no time does he ever state that it was suggested that he do so.
• His comments that WWE talent perform in matches 200 days a year is not factual. In 2009, the average active roster talent performed 135 days.
• A sheer fabrication --- that he went through tables four days a week.
• Mr. Nowinski states, "They have an environment where it's absolutely unsafe to work in that ring." "They have no oversight into what actually happens in the ring." If so, then why would Mr. Nowinski have ever wanted to be a part of such an environment?
• It is very dubious that he ever had a conversation with Lance Cade much less Lance Cade confiding to a total stranger that he used painkillers and steroids.
• Although renowned in the field of CTE, we are unaware of any specific qualifications or medical degrees that he possesses which would qualify him as an expert on steroids and pain killers.
1. Was he required to? Was it listed in the physical? Was there a physical when he signed up for Tough Enough?
2. Even by WWE's wording, this is kind of weak logic. Did they suggest to anyone else that they take steroids? Also, by this logic:
a. someone suggests that "McDonald's regularly asks if you want to upsize drinks."
b. McDonald's claims that they "Never suggested to him if he wants to have his drink upsized."
c. So McDonald's doesn't ask if you want to upsize drinks? :wtf:
3. Was he wrestling in 2009? No? Were they required to work 200 days a year when he WAS wrestling? I am sure of it.
4. This is the only point I'd give them. 1 point for WWE.
5. Ever hear of "hindsight is 20/20?" And here's an example from this year: Ted DiBiase vs. R-Truth from a ppv. Ted clearly had a concussion and the match WAS NOT stopped. They can suck a dick with this comment.
6. If Lance Cade worked in the WWE at the same time Chris Nowinski did, which I am almost certain he did, with the way a wrestling locker room works (you all but HAVE to greet or introduce yourself when you are in the arena), I think it'd be more of a stretch that Cade NEVER talked to Nowinski than for Cade to talk to a complete stranger about steroids and painkillers.
7. Although reknown in the field of infectious diseases, we are unaware of any specific qualifications or medical degrees that Dr. House possesses which would qualify him as an expert on poisoning.
Kane Knight
08-21-2010, 05:02 PM
Why are so many people constantly trying to bring down the McMahon family?
One word.
Failure.
Chris I understand you need to make a living, but please chill out. We all know you wanted to be something you never had a shot at, and now that you got hurt you want to ruin everybody's fun.
Great rebuttal WWE lawyers.
Pretty sure he's making a living. That alone should disprove your entire argument. I'm sure that won't stop you from continuing to assert it, but hey.
Vastardikai
08-21-2010, 05:18 PM
3. Was he wrestling in 2009? No? Were they required to work 200 days a year when he WAS wrestling? I am sure of it.
Side note on this: they mentioned AVERAGE. When you factor in people who took extended time off in '09 (read: Undertaker, Shawn Micheals, anyone with wellness related suspension, anyone who was released during that period of time), that DOES drag down the average.
Like a pool of say Miz, Morrison, and Kofi, who each worked 250 dates. Then you have Undertaker and Shawn Micheals, who worked 50 dates apiece. The average? 170.
tjmidnight420
08-21-2010, 05:32 PM
When the hell do you say something sensible?
For your viewing (http://www.tpww.net/forums/search.php?searchid=117509) pleasure, although you already know the answer to your question. :shifty:
YoungFlyFlashy
08-21-2010, 06:15 PM
What...a...thread this has become.
Great job team!
tjmidnight420
08-21-2010, 06:19 PM
What...a...thread this has become.
Great job team!
HPPunk: That clown guy version 2.0
Volare
08-21-2010, 10:23 PM
HBPunk is insane or smokin some heavy ass crack.
Kane Knight
08-21-2010, 11:03 PM
Side note on this: they mentioned AVERAGE. When you factor in people who took extended time off in '09 (read: Undertaker, Shawn Micheals, anyone with wellness related suspension, anyone who was released during that period of time), that DOES drag down the average.
Like a pool of say Miz, Morrison, and Kofi, who each worked 250 dates. Then you have Undertaker and Shawn Micheals, who worked 50 dates apiece. The average? 170.
And WWE is doubtless going to phrase things in their best interest.
Nowinski's likely also using numbers that favour him, so I'm not saying he's telling the gospel truth, but the certainty that WWE is cooking the numbers is a bit higher. WWE is the company that makes claims to its shareholders like WWE programming rates higher with kids than Nickelodeon, Disney and ABC Family or whatever combined. And I'm sure they just cooked those numbers, too, rather than outright lying.
But still. WWE knows how to "massage" the truth.
Troelar
08-22-2010, 09:28 AM
There are two ways I can envision any major change happening:
1: The WWE is in the forefront of change. Work rates are lowered, more actual drug busting - aka show the wrestlers, and not just the outside world, that drugs are a no no.
If the major ball-player, the place were everyone hopes to end up (more or less) start implementing this, then the people lower on the food chain will see that they don't need to be huge trains of doom to be able to succeed in the WWE.
This might actually lead to better wrestlers coming up, they can focus less on getting massive, and more on becoming better wrestlers. This might then again lead to a better product making more money for the WWE.
2: The wrestlers need to force the change. Unionising wrestlers is the most obvious way to achieve this. This would need most (if not all) of the major stars of today and up and coming to get on board. Basically demanding the same things the first path had the WWE doing on it's own accord. The effects would obviously be similar - although the WWE might still push the biggest wrestlers and stretch the boundaries.
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Brock Lesnar's also bitter cuz he couldn't make it, and has never had success since.
Kane Knight
08-22-2010, 12:26 PM
Brock Lesnar's also bitter cuz he couldn't make it, and has never had success since.
:rofl::y:
HBPunk
08-22-2010, 12:56 PM
HBPunk is insane or smokin some heavy ass weed.
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-22-2010, 01:17 PM
Nah, weed makes you less retardedly volatile and more understanding of others. Maybe steroids.
Last week, World Wrestling Entertainment responded to claims former wrestler Chris Nowinski made regarding the company's business practices under Senate candidate Linda McMahon's leadership. Political news outlet The Hill published his response today to WWE's statement.
* WWE's claim that Lance Cade was a stranger to Nowinski: "It is very dubious that he ever had a conversation with Lance Cade much less Lance Cade confiding to a total stranger that he used painkillers and steroids."
Nowinski responded: "They don't think I've ever met my 2003 tag team
partner in the WWE developmental system who I worked with in Cincinnati and Louisville in 2002-2003 almost daily and saw regularly while working with WWE until 2007?
"Linda [McMahon] can spend $24 million on a campaign, you'd think they could hire a decent PR person."
* WWE's response to Nowinski's claim regarding steroids: "He states WWE suggested that its performers take steroids. However, at no time does he ever state that it was suggested that he do so."
Nowinski replied:
"The point I was making was that they reward people who take steroids."
* Nowinski not notifying WWE of his concussion history: "Chris Nowinski did not reveal, as required, that he suffered previous concussions before signing his contract with WWE."
He responded: "[I] was unaware that I had a concussion history until the last one."
Nowinski felt he had to speak out due to McMahon's public position.
"When someone would disrespect a deceased former employee, when she's seeking [a Senate seat], as a patriot you have to say something," Nowinski said. "You want to make sure good people are in those jobs."
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-24-2010, 12:52 AM
lol I bet they weren't predicting one of their formal injured employess would be a Harvard graduate and would actually have the ability to make them look bad.
The Mackem
08-24-2010, 06:55 AM
To be fair I always respected how they looked after him after he had his career ruined by the botch. WWE could have released him like they have other people with injuries. Obviously he has to speak out for what he believes in though and WWE shouldn't try to dismiss it with stupidly researched responses.
Skippord
08-24-2010, 07:38 AM
lol at who is arguing for Nowinski vs who's arguing against
interesting
Theo Dious
08-24-2010, 08:15 AM
Actually he did leave. He used his Harvard degree to write a book about the dangers of head injuries in sports and also is on the board of an institute that does research about head injuries in sports. He also does various speaking events and appears on talk shows.
I'm surprised you didn't hear about that.
He left when he was physically unable to continue to do the job, not because he was unwilling to do the things he's complaining about. How about somebody shows me the guy who quit because he didn't want to keep doing such things, instead of the guy who did it as long as they were willing to pay him for it, and then soiled themselves crying about it.
Skippord
08-24-2010, 08:22 AM
does it really matter why he left if he's trying to do things to better the lives of people who are currently wrestling?
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-24-2010, 08:25 AM
He left when he was physically unable to continue to do the job, not because he was unwilling to do the things he's complaining about. How about somebody shows me the guy who quit because he didn't want to keep doing such things, instead of the guy who did it as long as they were willing to pay him for it, and then soiled themselves crying about it.
Brock Lesnar.
You're a retard.
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