Swiss Ultimate
03-29-2014, 05:14 PM
RECAP: It was the first Monday iMPACT, it was when everything was supposed to change. Hogan's first appearance in TNA, Ric Flair and Jeff Hardy's return...(also Bubba the Love Spong and the Nasty Boys for some stupid reason). The results were...less than exemplary (http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tna-news/tna-impact-results-january-4-2010.php).
Promised:
The X Division in the Steel Asylyum,
ODB challenging Tara for the Knockout Title,
Rhino vs. Abyss in a barbed wire match,
and Beer Money vs. British Money in Full Metal Mayhem
Delivered:
Clusterfuck in a red cage + Jeff Hardy
ODB and Tara
TAYLOR WILDE & SARITA vs. AWESOME KONG & HAMADA
RAVEN & DR. STEVIE (w/Daffney) vs. HERNANDEZ & MATT MORGAN
DESMOND WOLFE vs. "THE POPE" D'ANGELO EINERO
ABYSS vs. SAMOA JOE
A.J. STYLES vs. KURT ANGLE
WTF?
You talked about it as it was happening (http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=98487) and after:
Besides seeing Jeff Hardy show up, i didn't care for the other old geezers showing up. Kurt vs. AJ was a great match, but they obviously won't be doing that every week.
Tonight I thought that they had better "wrestling" matches, but it remains to be seen if they can keep that up.
They brought in a bunch of jobbers and old fucks. I don't see how anyone can see that as "good" outside of Jeff.
The cage match ended in a DQ.
THE CAGE MATCH ENDED IN A DQ.
The cage match was bullshit. I kind of wonder if they quickly realized what an awful way to start a show, and ended it quick. It was hard to see what was going on inside the cage most of the time.
If I ever hear Mike Tenay say "historic" one more time, I'll crush his throat myself. I stopped counting at 20.
Hall had to be drunk.
The Nasty Boys...well, they'd make great jobbers for the Dudleys. Thats about it. I remember them wrestling in like 94 starcade or something. They were awful, fat, sweaty slobs. Although, they were the Dudleys of the early 90s. I remember having a Brian Knobbs figurine.
Hogan...well, we knew they were going to do some sort of nWo angle. It will be him talking shit, with his hounds doing the dirty work. He'll probably work 1-2 matches a year. If that.
It was a decent show, I watched it much more than Raw. Thank god for Picture-in-Picture, I was able to switch over at the Bret Hart spots.
I bet it's going to take TNA all year just to pay off last night's expenses.
cuz the nasty boyz charge so much for a quick appearance.
flair an hardy probly cost something big.
some prescription pills & a new fancy divorce lawyer....certainly I jest.
TNA is such a joke.
TNA had some good points but, they buried the X Division, confused the audience with the whole NWO thing and Hogan/Jarrett angle. They did a lot of stuff that was sort of like, "wink, wink". Them ripping up the "format" and replacing it with a "format" was dumb. They should have played it like they were going to let it all hang loose, just go crazy.
Paul Heyman had nothing to do with the show. RVD was not there.
:/
Jeff Hardy going to TNA is mind bogglnig.
You hear that? That's the sound of a WrestleMania payout going out the window.
And that's the sound of TNA taking a pretty big risk in bringing him back, even though he may be sent up the river.
Scott Hall gained some weight. Still love him.
I thought they were being silly with Sting in the rafters...
RAW
The Good:
--Any moment Bret was on screen.
--The Miz coming along as quite a good worker.
--Randy Orton/Kofi Kingston match
The Bad:
--Hornswoggle, Hornswoggle, Hornswoggle.
--Chris Jericho continually being made to look like a bitch.
--The overall blandness of the show.
The Ugly:
--As always the WWE runs a "pretty" show, if not bland.
IMPACT!
The Good:
--AJ/Angle putting on a great match and Hogan flat out calling them the best wrestlers in the world.
--Pretty much every winner of a match was a TNA home grown talent.
--Teasing but not giving away a face to face confilt between Foley & Hogan or Sting & Hogan.
--The big night feel of the show.
--Hogan actually establishing that "You have to be in it 4 Real" indicating a serious willingness to victory.
The Bad:
--Homicide going from bad ass to laughing stock in a matter of a minute. Not being able to get out of the Steel Asylum might be a very talented Homicide's "Shockmaster" moment, which would be a shame.
--Jarrett not being established as either a heel or face... Tweener for him just won't do.
--Too many commercial breaks.
--I don't recall one time TNA mentioning when you can normally watch Impact, a big over sight.
The Ugly:
--Going up against Raw shows how low budget TNA looks.
--The Steel Asylum is too blocky for proper viewership.
The gave way too much camera time to the Nasty Boys. I mean, Jesus.
Is Hogan meant to be tweener? It seems like he's going for the 'I'll do whatever I want' type boss, where sometimes he'll do stuff and be cheered, sometimes he'll do stuff we won't like.
I enjoyed Impact a lot more than Raw, I always do though.
Impact was good, but could have been a lot better.
RAW:
Good: Everything with Hart.
Bad: Divas.
Ugly: Just how out and out boring the show is. And how terrible the crowds are. This isn't really specific to this RAW though. Although it's a shame the crowds aren't hot like the late 90s early 00's - imagine a Bret return with one of them crowds.
IMPACT
Good:
- The quality of the matches, AJ/Kurt especially.
- The debuts, unexpected ones like Val Venis.
- The huge feel of the night.
- The crowd, aside from way over-doing the 'THIS IS AWESOME' chants. They're passionate and it's nice to see the bundle at ringside bouncing around in excitement after a 'big move'.
Bad and Ugly mixed into one:
- The lack of clarity TNA often has. Distinguishing who's heel and who's face. Hogan/Jarrett/Foley
- Following up from that, the Bobby Lashley segment. WTF, was that a heel turn?
- The Steel Asylum match. Awful finish. And, like someone else said, you can barely see what's happening in the ring, the bars of the asylum are far too thick.
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Now rebook it.
Make it not terrible (Noid). You can leave off all of Hogan's posse if you choose, but you have to keep Hogan in there because he was the one advertised thing and the reason for the dumb move to Monday.
Promised:
The X Division in the Steel Asylyum,
ODB challenging Tara for the Knockout Title,
Rhino vs. Abyss in a barbed wire match,
and Beer Money vs. British Money in Full Metal Mayhem
Delivered:
Clusterfuck in a red cage + Jeff Hardy
ODB and Tara
TAYLOR WILDE & SARITA vs. AWESOME KONG & HAMADA
RAVEN & DR. STEVIE (w/Daffney) vs. HERNANDEZ & MATT MORGAN
DESMOND WOLFE vs. "THE POPE" D'ANGELO EINERO
ABYSS vs. SAMOA JOE
A.J. STYLES vs. KURT ANGLE
WTF?
You talked about it as it was happening (http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=98487) and after:
Besides seeing Jeff Hardy show up, i didn't care for the other old geezers showing up. Kurt vs. AJ was a great match, but they obviously won't be doing that every week.
Tonight I thought that they had better "wrestling" matches, but it remains to be seen if they can keep that up.
They brought in a bunch of jobbers and old fucks. I don't see how anyone can see that as "good" outside of Jeff.
The cage match ended in a DQ.
THE CAGE MATCH ENDED IN A DQ.
The cage match was bullshit. I kind of wonder if they quickly realized what an awful way to start a show, and ended it quick. It was hard to see what was going on inside the cage most of the time.
If I ever hear Mike Tenay say "historic" one more time, I'll crush his throat myself. I stopped counting at 20.
Hall had to be drunk.
The Nasty Boys...well, they'd make great jobbers for the Dudleys. Thats about it. I remember them wrestling in like 94 starcade or something. They were awful, fat, sweaty slobs. Although, they were the Dudleys of the early 90s. I remember having a Brian Knobbs figurine.
Hogan...well, we knew they were going to do some sort of nWo angle. It will be him talking shit, with his hounds doing the dirty work. He'll probably work 1-2 matches a year. If that.
It was a decent show, I watched it much more than Raw. Thank god for Picture-in-Picture, I was able to switch over at the Bret Hart spots.
I bet it's going to take TNA all year just to pay off last night's expenses.
cuz the nasty boyz charge so much for a quick appearance.
flair an hardy probly cost something big.
some prescription pills & a new fancy divorce lawyer....certainly I jest.
TNA is such a joke.
TNA had some good points but, they buried the X Division, confused the audience with the whole NWO thing and Hogan/Jarrett angle. They did a lot of stuff that was sort of like, "wink, wink". Them ripping up the "format" and replacing it with a "format" was dumb. They should have played it like they were going to let it all hang loose, just go crazy.
Paul Heyman had nothing to do with the show. RVD was not there.
:/
Jeff Hardy going to TNA is mind bogglnig.
You hear that? That's the sound of a WrestleMania payout going out the window.
And that's the sound of TNA taking a pretty big risk in bringing him back, even though he may be sent up the river.
Scott Hall gained some weight. Still love him.
I thought they were being silly with Sting in the rafters...
RAW
The Good:
--Any moment Bret was on screen.
--The Miz coming along as quite a good worker.
--Randy Orton/Kofi Kingston match
The Bad:
--Hornswoggle, Hornswoggle, Hornswoggle.
--Chris Jericho continually being made to look like a bitch.
--The overall blandness of the show.
The Ugly:
--As always the WWE runs a "pretty" show, if not bland.
IMPACT!
The Good:
--AJ/Angle putting on a great match and Hogan flat out calling them the best wrestlers in the world.
--Pretty much every winner of a match was a TNA home grown talent.
--Teasing but not giving away a face to face confilt between Foley & Hogan or Sting & Hogan.
--The big night feel of the show.
--Hogan actually establishing that "You have to be in it 4 Real" indicating a serious willingness to victory.
The Bad:
--Homicide going from bad ass to laughing stock in a matter of a minute. Not being able to get out of the Steel Asylum might be a very talented Homicide's "Shockmaster" moment, which would be a shame.
--Jarrett not being established as either a heel or face... Tweener for him just won't do.
--Too many commercial breaks.
--I don't recall one time TNA mentioning when you can normally watch Impact, a big over sight.
The Ugly:
--Going up against Raw shows how low budget TNA looks.
--The Steel Asylum is too blocky for proper viewership.
The gave way too much camera time to the Nasty Boys. I mean, Jesus.
Is Hogan meant to be tweener? It seems like he's going for the 'I'll do whatever I want' type boss, where sometimes he'll do stuff and be cheered, sometimes he'll do stuff we won't like.
I enjoyed Impact a lot more than Raw, I always do though.
Impact was good, but could have been a lot better.
RAW:
Good: Everything with Hart.
Bad: Divas.
Ugly: Just how out and out boring the show is. And how terrible the crowds are. This isn't really specific to this RAW though. Although it's a shame the crowds aren't hot like the late 90s early 00's - imagine a Bret return with one of them crowds.
IMPACT
Good:
- The quality of the matches, AJ/Kurt especially.
- The debuts, unexpected ones like Val Venis.
- The huge feel of the night.
- The crowd, aside from way over-doing the 'THIS IS AWESOME' chants. They're passionate and it's nice to see the bundle at ringside bouncing around in excitement after a 'big move'.
Bad and Ugly mixed into one:
- The lack of clarity TNA often has. Distinguishing who's heel and who's face. Hogan/Jarrett/Foley
- Following up from that, the Bobby Lashley segment. WTF, was that a heel turn?
- The Steel Asylum match. Awful finish. And, like someone else said, you can barely see what's happening in the ring, the bars of the asylum are far too thick.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/uBKUkYYOhE4?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/AOJBDr3K4b0?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/_f7V_quXHiw?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Now rebook it.
Make it not terrible (Noid). You can leave off all of Hogan's posse if you choose, but you have to keep Hogan in there because he was the one advertised thing and the reason for the dumb move to Monday.