Flash on CW

[Kalyx triaD]

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The Flash is part of the DCCW Universe currently shared with Arrow (http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=125144).

[VSG]

I will be starting on Arrow soon but this is good news. Who would have thought these CW shows would be doing more for DC than the movies?

[Kalyx triaD]

Me. DC has a good TV track record.

[Vastardikai]

The Flash used to be my comic in my younger days.

[Kalyx triaD]

I was never a fan in particular, but I watched the first TV series way back when.

[Kalyx triaD]

THERE'S MORE:

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I am so down it's not funny. That trailer is as hype as some movie trailers.

[Lock Jaw]

Whoa.... literally can't wait for this show.

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder what resident TPWW Flash-Fan Jimmy Cones thinks of this

[Lock Jaw]

The Flash will be airing Tuesdays at 8PM

[Kalyx triaD]

With SHIELD moving to Tuesdays at 9, it's gonna be a good night.

[DaveBrawl]

Finally Tuesday is no longer the worst tv night of the week.

[Jura]

Tuesdays have been loaded. Thursdays used to be the best but no longer. I think it's Wednesdays and Fridays that are at the bottom.

Tuesday - Agents of S H I E L D, The Originals, New Girl, Supernatural, Person of Interest, Brooklyn Nine-Nine etc

[DaveBrawl]

For me Agents of Shield has legit been the only show I have actually wanted to watch on a Tuesday since like high school.

Wednesday's I have Arrow, Criminal Minds and Archer. Never thought about Friday or Saturday though.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Looks sweet, potentially a little goofy, but hopefully just sweet.

[dronepool]

The trailer hyped me up. I haven't seen all of Arrow yet but I did just watch the Barry episodes and this show looks more fun than Arrow.

[Krimzon7]

As the founder of the Arrow on CW lovewagon, I approve of this thread, this trailer, this excitement and this timeslot.

This is gonna be some epic shit. Wonder if Flash gives Ollie a little more of that comedic wit. He's been so good as a brooding bad ass, it would be cool to see some wise cracking GA.

On second thought, maybe not. Keep Ollie just as he is. Let Barry have his own gimmick

[Tom Guycott]

This is gonna be some epic shit.

This whole thread summary in seven words.

[Juan]

Just marked out at seeing Jesse L. Martin playing a detective again.

RIP Detective Lennie Briscoe

[Jimmy Cones]

Wonder what resident TPWW Flash-Fan Jimmy Cones thinks of this

Pretty sure I jizzed all over the fucking place.

[Jura]

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[Kalyx triaD]

In hindsight, they did superspeed pretty well.

[Lock Jaw]

Never seen the old Flash show. That intro reminds me of the Batman: TAS intro for some reason.

[Sixx]

That guy is a total early 90s dreamboat.

[Nowhere Man]

Anyone else kinda hoping that the actor who played 90s Flash shows up at some point as Jay Garrick?

[Kalyx triaD]

Actually he's been cast as Barry's father.

[JimmyMess]

The music sounds like Batman the Animated Series

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

The reason the theme is reminiscent of Batman: TAS is because it's also from Danny Elfman.

[Kalyx triaD]

Did Elfman do that theme? Thought it was Shirley Walker.

[Asmo]

So, who's seen the pilot?

I'm a complete novice when it comes to The Flash. The pilot did what it was supposed to - had me intrigued about what's going to happen next.

That being said, X-Men DOFP did such an awesome job with Quicksilver that the fast running sequences here feel campy. But considering that's a movie, and this TV, i'm guessing they did have to cut corners.

Oliver Queen's cameo was 'cool'. Marked out a bit there.

[Lock Jaw]

Doesn't debut until October, bro

[The Destroyer]

It leaked though.

[Kalyx triaD]

It has indeed leaked. So if you got into it please consider spoiler tags until official release.

[Lock Jaw]

Robbie Amell cast as Ronnie Raymond

[ClockShot]

No doubt Steve might have had a hand in that to make sure he landed softly after Tomorrow People got axed.

[VSG]

Debut time.

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed it. Will tune in again.

I predict confusing time travel shenanigans in the future. And the past.

[VSG]

I had watched the leaked pilot before but this was still pretty good. Having 2 series with common elements will be interesting, with this going more into the supernatural villain of the week for now.

[Lock Jaw]

I look forward to seeing Grodd.

Everything is better with apes.

[VSG]

Definitely, Grodd is pretty awesome.

[McLegend]

Pumped me up for Arrow.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, can't wait for tomorrow. Unfortunately, I will be out of town consistently on Wednesdays working evenings for pretty much the entire season. So I won't be able to watch Arrow until Thursdays.

[McLegend]

Very disappointed in you.

Also there was a mention of Wayne Tech or Wayne Enterprises in this Pilot. It was probably just a throw away line that doesn't mean anything. However it does beg the question does Batman exist in this world? I feel like it's been hinted at in some interviews that he does exist. Nothing on screen though.

So in short I don't know. I'm just interested.

[Miotch]

The acting and writing was especially awful. The story was entertaining. Some of the effects are really good, others... really not.

In short I thought it was OK but overly cheesy. Lots of room for improvement, though I think it can certainly do just that.

[Jimmy Cones]

The acting and writing was especially awful. The story was entertaining. Some of the effects are really good, others... really not.

In short I thought it was OK but overly cheesy. Lots of room for improvement, though I think it can certainly do just that.

I agree with this. Hopefully it can settle down after a few episodes and hit its stride.

[Lock Jaw]

Finding it kind of "creepy" Barry bonding with Detective West in a father/son manner, while wanting to bang Iris with whom he has had a brother/sister relationship.

Anyways, was thinking the entire episode "Cool, Simon Stagg.... he'll be a cool recurring character to have around, and could maybe lead one day to Metamorpho being on TV"

So much for that.

Also, hope that Multiplex isn't really dead. Can't keep killing off all the villains....

[VSG]

This is def a weekly villian thing going on, and I had the same thoughts about Iris too. Weird vibe despite the comic book history.

[Jimmy Cones]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of all the killing either. I know that the rouges are a nice big group of villains to fight but they can't keep dying. They need to create 2-3 episode story arcs with some villains while others make a cameo here and there and get their own arc later. That is usually how the comics go. Then include a season long thing to wrap most of it up while leaving bread crumbs for the second season. In any case, I feel like the second episode was better than the first.

I could totally see some time changing things for season 2 where all of a sudden his mom gets saved and he and Iris don't grow up all brother/sister and they are free to date and stuff.

[Kalyx triaD]

Nothing stopping them from dating altogether, especially after Joe certainly bites it.

I love the 'detective's eye' thing they do.

[McLegend]

Felicity is on Flash tonight.

I'm ok if she gets with Barry tonight however the internet wrestling in me thinks they should hold off on until the cross over.

[Lock Jaw]

Enjoyed Captain Cold.

Also Heat Wave coming too makes me happy.

Felicity is always great as well.

[Miotch]

Much less cheese this episode, with a couple exceptions. It's getting better, which I thought it might.

Captain Cold was great. Really well done I thought.

[VSG]

Definitely came off great, all the way down to the attire.

[Simple Fan]

The Rouges are slowly coming together.

[Lock Jaw]

Need to hear Jimmy Cones' weekly thoughts on the matter....

[McLegend]

Much less cheese this episode, with a couple exceptions. It's getting better, which I thought it might.

Captain Cold was great. Really well done I thought.

I thought that quizzo (or whatever other people call bar trivia) scene was cheesy.

[Jimmy Cones]

Solid episode until the end. WTF a vacuum with LED lights? And they just let him walk off somewhere?

In any case, the rogues have been needing to come together and we finally have a story arc building.

[Kalyx triaD]

Cold was badass. Loved his face when Cisco gave him his name.

[Jimmy Cones]

Telling Iris that he didn't want to hang out so much was weird. I liked the Grodd foreshadowing. Detective West getting all giggly over the vibrating vocal thing gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.

[loopydate]

Yeah, that scene was wonderful.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty good ep. Sorry to see Plastique go like that... Hopefully maybe she has an ability to reconstruct herself after dying and exploding.

She has been known to be part of the Suicide Squad, so would be cool if Waller somehow got a hold of her.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't believe for a second Plastique is dead. I imagine she can survive her own blasts.

And I'm thinking Waller already has tabs on the meta-human occurrences. I think she'd like her own Gambit.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't believe for a second Plastique is dead. I imagine she can survive her own blasts.

Yeah, bbutcan she survive getting shot and dying before exploding? I hope the answer is yes.

[Lock Jaw]

Sure. Reveal your secret identity to the supervillain.

[McLegend]

Yeah, there is no way he that can come back to hurt him.

The whole Tom Cavanagh plot is really fascinating. I need more of that.

Also Arrow better beat Flash in the crossover or I riot.

[Jura]

Motherfucker keeps showing his face to everyone. I like how Iris one-upped his Supersonic Punch.

[Jimmy Cones]

I can't understand why a super villain would push a bunch of shelves over on his enemy and then not check to make sure he was dead. Other than that, it was another solid episode. I can't wait for some of the story arcs to start getting intermingled.

[Lock Jaw]

I hear things will pick up dramatically for the "midseason finale", especially because they didn't originally have a full season order.

[Miotch]

Cavanaugh has to be Zoom, right?

[Lock Jaw]

Certainly leans that way.... I wonder what Eddie Thawne's "role" is...

Harrison Wells could be a Red Herring, and Thawne turns out to be the Reverse-Flash.... or maybe he is just an "ancestor" of Eobard Thawne.

[Miotch]

My theory...

Wells is indeed Eobard Thawne from the future.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I think that Eddie will actually turn out to be the Reverse Flash, just atm he doesn't have his powers yet.

[Destor]

Also Arrow better beat Flash in the crossover or I riot.lol wut

[Lock Jaw]

Lots of name dropping in those people who "died" from the particle accelerator.

Ralph Dibney
Al Rothstein
Grant Emmerson
Bea Decosta

May have been another... Plus Ronnie Raymond, who we know is coming back eventually.

[McLegend]

lol wut

When they inevitably fight. Arrow better win.

[Jura]

Motherfucker keeps showing his power off to everyone without his suit on.

[McLegend]

Flash vs Arrow!

[McLegend]

Wait did they show how they caught the bad guy?

I think that was a win for the Arrow btw.

[Lock Jaw]

They skipped over how they caught the guy. Pretty weird. Basically just reduces him to a plot device to get them to fight.

[McLegend]

My TV kind of blacked out at that point so I wasn't sure if it skipped over that part.

I thought the first part of the crossover went really well. Oliver's dickness was in rare form. Also I'm not the only one that kind of dislikes Iris am I? It definitely seems like she isn't suppose to be that like able.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Wells was the real dick outing Oliver as the Arrow in front of everyone, when at first he didn't know, likely going into his secret room with all future news.

[Destor]

When they inevitably fight. Arrow better win.

That's just silly tho

[Jura]

Motherfucker keeps showing his face off to ex-wives of friends he just met with his suit on and mask off.

[Kalyx triaD]

FOR THE THIRD TIME, MARK HAMILL IS PLAYING THE FLASH VILLAIN TRICKSTER (following his original portrayal in the first Flash series and voicing Trickster in the DCAU).

[McLegend]

I said they should get him. I should get credit for that.

[McLegend]

So the question is how was he able to be in two places at once?

[Simple Fan]

Damn I was thinking Harrison was Barry from the future and thats why the flash was missing. Now he seems to be reverse flash, I dont know.

[Simple Fan]

So the question is how was he able to be in two places at once?

I asked my brother that same question and he said time travel

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Sounds right, since Reverse Flash can time travel when he reaches the appropriate speed.

[Simple Fan]

Yea next season is really going to open up the time travel. Sisco hinted that the Flash might have been in the house the night his mother died.

[McLegend]

No I mean how was he able to interrogate himself?

[Jura]

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[Miotch]

I'd love it if they did Flashpoint, but it would have to be a scaled back version of it to work.

[Optimus Bone 69]

Love the show but the intro reminds me of the masters of the universe intro

[Simple Fan]

Maybe Harrison just built the suit and someone is going to steal it.

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched. Lots of stuff going on.

My theory is that there are actually TWO Reverse-Flashes.

Dr. Wells is more in the line of Hunter Zolomon, who wants to make The Flash a "better hero".

While Eddie Thawne eventually goes insane after Iris leaves him and some other stuff, has a huge grudge against The Flash, gains powers, and becomes the Reverse-Flash, who conspires with Dr. Wells (gives him technology and future knowledge).

And now, yes McLegend, I will go watch Arrow.

[Simple Fan]

Yea I have a feeling that Eddie is gonna steal the suit . The suit gives him the speed.

[Jura]

The Reverse Flash stole the Tachyon thing though and at the end it shows Wells putting it on the suit or maybe I'm wrong?

[Miotch]

Thawne could still be involved. He even asked "why didn't it kill me?", which may have been a red herring but it also could have been eluding to it.

[Simple Fan]

I figurer that was some sort of device that gives the suit speed. He was talking to the metahuman that could take the Flashe's powers and I believe that device was the result of that.

[McLegend]

This came back last nght, and I enjoyed it.

No cool Tom Cavanagh moment though.

[VSG]

Mini prison break reunion

[loopydate]

Now they just need to team up with Clock King and Count Vertigo. Get T-Bag and Abruzzi in on this.

[VSG]

Yes, please!

[Jura]

Motherfucker keeps taking group pics with him wearing a suit with his face shown.

[Destor]

Lol at the flash being "quick in bed"

[Simple Fan]

Did you see Wells grab his neck after Gidion said that the gun was a dangerous weapon, mabey he is Barry from the future.

[Jura]

I've also wondered if Wells may be future Barry but he doesn't look anything like Barry and also if they found adult Barry's DNA at his mother's crime scene then it would have matched Wells' DNA unless Wells' DNA is either masked somehow or whatever sample Cisco has is not the real one.

[McLegend]

Two things

1. Is the science involving thst mirror actually true or is it made? I thought that whole thing was really cool.

2. I realize this a show about time travel, super speed, and all sorts of craziness so I should suspended my disbelief a lot why while watching this show and most things in general... However. Am I only one bothered by the fact that people just walk into Iris' office and have these long life conversation that have to be totally distracting to everyone else in the office that would prevent them from doing work? Random people do not come into my office and make out after eating ridiculously hot peppers. That whole sequence really annoyed me. Am I the only one?

[Simple Fan]

I'm hoping the mirror technology leads to Mirror Master

[Jura]

Two things

1. Is the science involving thst mirror actually true or is it made? I thought that whole thing was really cool.

2. I realize this a show about time travel, super speed, and all sorts of craziness so I should suspended my disbelief a lot why while watching this show and most things in general... However. Am I only one bothered by the fact that people just walk into Iris' office and have these long life conversation that have to be totally distracting to everyone else in the office that would prevent them from doing work? Random people do not come into my office and make out after eating ridiculously hot peppers. That whole sequence really annoyed me. Am I the only one?

I think he said the backing of the mirror was silver nitrate and I believe old film used that stuff so they're kind of taking that and pumping it up to Sci-fi standards.

I guess it's a hip/open workplace and people are constantly moving about.

[Simple Fan]

Holy shit did not expect that.

[Simple Fan]

Wow awesome episode, fixing to get good.

[Lock Jaw]

Whoa damn.... Sweet episode....

[Miotch]

Yeah, easily the best of the series to date. It's about to get REAL convoluted though with the time travel stuff. I don't expect Cisco to stay dead when it's said and done, and I don't expect him to end up with Iris.

The bit about Eddie asking why Reverse Flash didn't kill him makes sense now. He's his grandfather or something. He couldn't kill him and survive.

[Simple Fan]

Have a feeling Cisco will die again kinda like some final destination shit. You can't escape death.

[Blonde Moment]

Maybe Caitlen will end up taking Cisco's place, the kid is more useful to him then she is.

[Simple Fan]

Wonder if Barry messing with time will effect Arrow in any way.

[McLegend]

That was awesome. Really glad Barry and Irish don't have to be a couple.

[Simple Fan]

This week was ok , wasn't anything spectacular but the Trickster next week looks cool.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Wentworth Miller and Dominic Purcell (especially the latter) are such terrible actors. Really takes you out of the characters.

[McLegend]

Yeah they are pretty much going Joker here, but Mark Hamil isn't using the full Joker voice.

I'm good with this so far.

[Simple Fan]

Nooooooooooooooo. Lol that was funny.

[McLegend]

I'm your Father... Hilarious

[McLegend]

That was really enjoyable.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty great episode.

Yeah, Hamill seemed like he was doing like 67% Joker there, and it was pretty good, if only it just left me wanting for him to go 100% Joker. Also pretty much the first time I have seen Mark Hamill live in anything other than Star Wars, and he is actually pretty good. Should have cast him to play The Joker to go along with the "older Batman" they are going for in the new movies....

[McLegend]

He's too old for even their Batman.

Harrison Wells is the straw that stirs the drink for this show. His whole angle has been done really well so far.

[VSG]

Hamill's performance made me a lot more optimistic about the new Star Wars movie too

[McLegend]

If this latest twist prevents seeing more of Tom Cavanagh in the future I don't know if I'll like it. Tom Cavanagh kills it it that role. Was interesting how it made Harrison Wells who was the biggest villain into now the most sympathetic character ever.

Also I'm going with the general consensus that a Flashpoint like event is happening at the end of this season.

[Blonde Moment]

I am really hoping that Tom Cavanagh comes back as the real Wells after all is said and done. Anyone else count 3 Flashes last ep? :)

[loopydate]

"That's not very sanitary!"

Lost it at that line. Excellent ep. Lots going on with, what, five more episodes left this season? Explanation of Theobard/Wells, two more people in on the secret, plus the Trickster. Love this show.

[Jura]

If this latest twist prevents seeing more of Tom Cavanagh in the future I don't know if I'll like it. Tom Cavanagh kills it it that role. Was interesting how it made Harrison Wells who was the biggest villain into now the most sympathetic character ever.

Also I'm going with the general consensus that a Flashpoint like event is happening at the end of this season.
I'd agree with you if the case was that Wells was being coerced into everything he did and does because Thawne has his girl but that's not the case and the real Wells is now a shriveled modern mummy.

[McLegend]

He's whole life was taken away from him when he was going to do all of these great things.

I feel bad for the guy.

[Jura]

Wells reminds me of Dr. Rush in SGU which made me start re-watching it again.

[Lock Jaw]

Forgot there was no episode this week and found myself disappointed anew as I sat down on my couch, excited to watch a new episode.

[McLegend]

It was a good rerun though.

[McLegend]

Tonight was ok.

[Destor]

I want atom to not suck...but it does

[Lock Jaw]

I was excited for The Atom but they pretty much made him a third rate Iron Man knock-off instead of actually beeing The Atom. Needs to get on this shrinking business and stop so much with the super suit.

[McLegend]

Iris is the worst, and brings down every scene she is in.

Really don't like her.

[loopydate]

Yeah, Iris is terrible.

I enjoyed this ep more than y'all seem to have. They're definitely paving the way for Ray to start shrinking after his run-in with the Bug-Eyed Bandit, and I enjoy his little bromance with Cisco.

But, yeah, screw Iris. Worst thing about this show.

[McLegend]

Last night was a good one. It was a good villian of the week as well.

I'm 1000% in favor of a Cisco and Laurel couple. I think it would be great for both characters. Also it looks like at some point they are going to do a Caitlin Snow/Barry Allen relationship which would be fine. However if Cisco and Laurel doesn't work out I think they should go Cisco and Caitlin Snow instead. A lot of people would get behind that couple.

Really want to see what happens with Harrison Wells moving forward... Riveting stuff

[McLegend]

That was good. All the twists with the The Reverse Flash have been done really well.

Tom Cavanagh continues to be great. He deserves some sort of award recognition for his work in this.

[McLegend]

Something I have been thinking about.

The newspaper article from the future. He seems to be written the day after the Reverse-Flash and Flash fight and disappear. This newspaper article appears to be stored inside Gideon(the computer) memory. We also know from prior flashbacks and what we have seen throughout the show that Gideon the computer is in the past with the The Reverse-Flash.

So how is Gideon accessing this Newspaper when it was not in that time when the article was written?

[Jura]

Maybe Gideon has a link to a machine or something in the future kind of like wi-fi through space. Or something with Tachyons is involved.

[McLegend]

Yeah I read on the Flash/Arrow wikia that the computer can access future data banks I guess you can say.

Thought I found a loophole.

[KIRA]

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[Lock Jaw]

Damn... hot episode... Tom Cavanagh so great....

Going to miss him as "part of the team", but enjoying the heck out of his full heel turn.

Also, super excited for Grodd.

[Black Widow]

The Flash was pretty awesome as usual this week.

[loopydate]

I feel like Arrow has slid a lot lately (still a great show, but not nearly as good as it was for the first half of the season) and Flash is almost getting better by the week. I enjoy how much the producers have accepted how ridiculous their premise is and just go with it. "Weather Wizard? Check. Shapeshifter? Why not. Hyper-intelligent gorilla? Let's do this shit."

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah... Arrow is still good and all, but a lot of the stuff with Malcolm Merlyn this season has been pretty terrible/stretching belief.

Flash just gets better and better.

[McLegend]

I don't really disagree with you guys, but I'm a huge Arrow mark. So I'm always going with Arrow.

However I was totally against the Flash even having a show, because I knew the quality of Arrow was going to suffer ala Raw/Smackdown. Now next year there is going to be a 3rd show, and both Flash and Arrow will struggle with that.

[McLegend]

It was good to see Grodd.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Grodd was pretty sweet.

[Simple Fan]

Grodd was cool, Grodd hates bananas.

[Destor]

Grodd was excellent.

[Blonde Moment]

Grood was pretty darn good, better then expected anyways. Looking forward to see how he developes later on

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Thought the whole giant super smart gorilla thing was a bit daft myself, even in a show like this. Bad cgi too (understandably). But I guess if I were to ignore the ridiculousness of it and the cgi then it didn't come off too badly.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn at that ending... Justice League United....

Kinda wish they left Arrow out of it, though.... raises questions like how did Ollie get away to do this.... also the whole Oliver saying he needs a favour makes it "obvious" that Barry will somehow get involved in the Arrow season finale now....

[McLegend]

Loved how The Arrow thrashed Wells when he didn't have his super speed.

I'm interested in next week to say the least.

[Lock Jaw]

And to say the most?

[McLegend]

To say the most ... Did Wells count on Barry calling for help, and is this part of his plan? Or did he legit just get an ass kicking?

Could see either way.

[McLegend]

O one other thing

The actor who plays Eddie Thawn has a really good voice. He should do a lot of voice over work.

[Lock Jaw]

I think he legit got beat, but he is smart enough that he will play it cool and turn it to his advantage.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, whoa spoiler alert that Oliver is going to live through every crises we see him get into.

[McLegend]

Not if the timeline changes though.

[Destor]

They dodnt air the ep here so I will have to catch in on hulu in the morning :(

[Black Widow]

Flash was good once again.

The end fight was great.

[Lock Jaw]

Watching this LIVE unless the time-line changes and it ends up that I don't anymore....

[Lock Jaw]

Seems like the debate about to change time or not is missing one component in discussion.... is Wells telling the truth....

Seems like everybody is just taking his word for it....

[McLegend]

That is a good point.

However Tom Cavanagh is just so god darn convincing.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn.... at that ending... will probably all be undone via time travel shenanigans, though.... Can't see them letting it stand that hundreds of thousands, possibly more, people have died via being sucked into black hole that Barry created just because he wanted to go say goodbye to his mom....

[Lock Jaw]

Also, marked out for Jay Garrick's helmet

[Destor]

not a fan of cliffhangers but the ep was good

[McLegend]

I should have seen that coming.

But the past 15 years still have to change since the Reverse Flash never existed. Right?

[McLegend]

Couldn't his Mom still be alive then?

[McLegend]

I need you Lock Jaw

[Lock Jaw]

Confused by time travel in general.... If Barry goes back in time to save his mom and saves his mom, he never becomes The Flash until later in his life..... then makes enemies with Thawne who goes back in time and kills his mom. The younger Flash, no longer existing, is not there to save her. Thawne gets trapped back in time and creates The Flash at a younger age, who eventually goes back in time and starts the circle again....

[Lock Jaw]

If Thawne never exists it should mean that he never kills Barry's mom.... Barry doesn't become The Flash until later in life, but this time Thawne isn't around and no one goes back in time to kill his mom and they all live happily ever after.

[Lock Jaw]

But if Thawne never exists, the younger Flash and the whole timeline doesn't exist and Eddie never kills himself. If Eddie never kills himself, Eobard exists and the whole thing does happen and goes in a circle.

[McLegend]

That's what I'm saying!!!!?!?!??!?

Could the singularity be the timeline correcting itself?

[Lock Jaw]

One of those "best not to think of it" things.... or else your brain might be destroyed....

[McLegend]

But if Thawne never exists, the younger Flash and the whole timeline doesn't exist and Eddie never kills himself. If Eddie never kills himself, Eobard exists and the whole thing does happen and goes in a circle.

Omg you are blowing my mind.

[McLegend]

One of those "best not to think of it" things.... or else your brain might be destroyed....

Now you tell me

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe unraveling this mess is what the spin-off is all about, and the first episode of The Flash will have everything "normal" and they'll just say something like "Boy, I'm sure we got that resolved with the other Legends of Tomorrow! I'll tell you all the story, but not until midseason!"

[McLegend]

No way... We will find out at the premiere.

Next question is... How much are they going to travel back to the night Barry's Mom was killed? We know it's defintely at least 1 more time in the future 2024, but will they go back again before that?

Also I think The Flash of 2024 went back in time not just to save young Barry, but to stop Barry of 2015 from saving his Mom.

[McLegend]

Either way Tom Cavanagh needs to be back next year.

[Blonde Moment]

Perhaps Barry has to seek out Dr Wells to help him get his powers earlier then he was supposed to so he could go back in time to stop himself from saving his mother while dooming Wells in the process.
But yeah my theory as it sits now (haven't seen the finale yet) is this is one of those things where the Villain actually does nothing but gloat and the hero does the work for him. Or Thawne miscalculated when he manipulated Barry the last time and ended up losing everything and he hates Barry for not being the hero he needed to be to stop him.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, when Barry was running, noticed a few things in the images...

- Caitlyn exhibiting ice powers
- Barry in jail

[McLegend]

And Hawkgirl was seen in the streets.

[Cuzziebro]

Also, when Barry was running, noticed a few things in the images...

- Caitlyn exhibiting ice powers
- Barry in jail

I'm pretty sure it also showed a scene from Legends of Tomorrow.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah they're never gonna be able to explain all the changes in the timeline. Its just a paradox. Every single piece of media about time travel has paradox's that can't be explained. Their best bet is to not delve into it too much more and just concentrate on The Flash fighting badly CGI'd zoo animals.

[Black Widow]

Great Finale!

I'm definitely looking forward to the fall and hopefully the quality of the first season carries into the second one.

[Simple Fan]

Me and my brothers were talking today and I was thinking that maybe Barry from 2024 is missing because he went back in time to stop Reverse Flash from killing him as a child and was injured the same as Reverse Flash and can't get back to his time.

I don't know, this show has so many possibilities and outcomes to play with that anything could happen. Jay Garretts helmet appearing opens up the posibillity of an Earth 2 which could be cool. Season 2 should just get better.

[Blonde Moment]

Me and my brothers were talking today and I was thinking that maybe Barry from 2024 is missing because he went back in time to stop Reverse Flash from killing him as a child and was injured the same as Reverse Flash and can't get back to his time.

I don't know, this show has so many possibilities and outcomes to play with that anything could happen. Jay Garretts helmet appearing opens up the posibillity of an Earth 2 which could be cool. Season 2 should just get better.

Rather interesting to see that Thawne seemed to have a defintite idea on who the owner of that hat was.

[Simple Fan]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/flash-casts-wwe-superstar-adam-edge-copeland-atom-200833978.html

[Lock Jaw]

Hope he isn't a straight up villain... hope he gets turns out to be a hero later on....

[Wishbone]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/flash-casts-wwe-superstar-adam-edge-copeland-atom-200833978.html

Neato! I've actually enjoyed his acting, and I love Flash. Should be interesting. And I agree with Lock Jaw. Would be cool to see him become a hero eventually. I don't know shit about Atom Smasher though so I've got no clue if that's even possible.

[Lock Jaw]

He is a hero in the comic books. He becomes a kind of misguided antihero for a bit, though... Before eventually trying to redeem himself...

[Kalyx triaD]

"My name is Wally West. I'm the Fastest Kid Alive!"

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/08/KidFlash.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Is that seriously what Wally looks like in the comics now...... Sucks....

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Flash-S2-JG-1st-Look-8E700F-c23e7.jpg

:heart: that Jay Garrick will have his "classic" look and nowhere near his current one....

[VSG]

That's really cool.

[Sixx]

Just started watching this, pretty cool so far.

What I don't get it why the hell does he fight at normal speed? He runs up to them and takes their weapons superfast but then just fights like a regular guy. Hope he ain't that dumb later in the season.

[Lock Jaw]

Barry's dad kinda a dick....

[Simple Fan]

Great first episode. Really looking forward to see how Earth 2 goes.

[Sixx]

Still bugs me how he runs fast as fuck only to stop and fight like a regular person.

[VSG]

Marked out at the end.

[McLegend]

The Flash of Two Worlds part was hilarious.

[Lock Jaw]

Marked out for it.

Can't wait until Jay inevitably gets his powers back and they team up for real....

I also enjoyed the new Patty Spivot character.... though getting kidnapped and playing damsel in distress in her first appearance probably isn't a good sign for her.... likely to happen on a semi-regular basis now.

[mitchables]

i think zoom is eddie tbh. i don't know how convinced i am of my own theory but at the moment that's where i'm leaning, idk. really don't want it to be earth-2 wells. that'd be boring. i suspect he is probably not gonna be as creepy as he seemed; would be good to have a good wells around this season. whatever, i am making predictions and they'll probably be wrong, this is why i never post

anyway, the reason i think it's eddie (if it's not someone we've never met before, which is a solid possibility too i guess) is that this is a pretty "black flash"ish incarnation of zoom

so if they're fusing the two characters, which they kinda seem to be (since just zoom would be another 'man in yellow' really), then the 'death' aspect of the black flash side makes me think that maybe something happened to eddie's body when it got sucked into the breach (a breach made/inherently touched by the flash/speed force, remember) that turned him into this twisted shadow speedster hellbent on destroying the man who forever made him the silver medal in life. he wants to be THE BEST. THE ONE. THE ONLY. there's a bit in one of the trailers too where barry yells at him "you wanna be *me*? you wanna be a hero?" which also fits pretty well. maybe the creation of zoom is what happened to jay's speed. speedster goes into the breach at the same time as eddie's body does, speedster comes out without his speed... so what happened to it?

am i grasping at straws here or is this a pretty solid theory?

[Sixx]

i think zoom is eddie tbh. i don't know how convinced i am of my own theory but at the moment that's where i'm leaning, idk. really don't want it to be earth-2 wells. that'd be boring. i suspect he is probably not gonna be as creepy as he seemed; would be good to have a good wells around this season. whatever, i am making predictions and they'll probably be wrong, this is why i never post

anyway, the reason i think it's eddie (if it's not someone we've never met before, which is a solid possibility too i guess) is that this is a pretty "black flash"ish incarnation of zoom

so if they're fusing the two characters, which they kinda seem to be (since just zoom would be another 'man in yellow' really), then the 'death' aspect of the black flash side makes me think that maybe something happened to eddie's body when it got sucked into the breach (a breach made/inherently touched by the flash/speed force, remember) that turned him into this twisted shadow speedster hellbent on destroying the man who forever made him the silver medal in life. he wants to be THE BEST. THE ONE. THE ONLY. there's a bit in one of the trailers too where barry yells at him "you wanna be *me*? you wanna be a hero?" which also fits pretty well. maybe the creation of zoom is what happened to jay's speed. speedster goes into the breach at the same time as eddie's body does, speedster comes out without his speed... so what happened to it?

am i grasping at straws here or is this a pretty solid theory?

Eddie died 6 months ago, Jay Garrick's been fighting Zoom for almost 2 years, so unless it's Earth-2 Eddie, this is impossible.

I don't think it's any version of Eddie anyway. Leaning towards completely new guy, but Earth-2 Harrison Wells being creepy makes me wonder. But as you said, this would be boring.

[Blonde Moment]

I find it interesting that Jay Garrick had been the Flash for roughly the same amount of time as Barry

[mitchables]

Eddie died 6 months ago, Jay Garrick's been fighting Zoom for almost 2 years, so unless it's Earth-2 Eddie, this is impossible.

I don't think it's any version of Eddie anyway. Leaning towards completely new guy, but Earth-2 Harrison Wells being creepy makes me wonder. But as you said, this would be boring.

the entire first season was about time travel

there were literally three barrys at the scene of his mother's death. it's not out of the realm of possibility that zoom is fast enough to break time. so it's not "impossible", thank you

[McLegend]

It could be an Earth 2 Eddie anyway.

I'm all for that theory, but as long as I get me some qualityTom Cavanagh I should be good.

[Sixx]

the entire first season was about time travel

there were literally three barrys at the scene of his mother's death. it's not out of the realm of possibility that zoom is fast enough to break time. so it's not "impossible", thank you

Oh, gimme a break. So you think not only did Eddie survive due to some supernatural shit but he also travelled in time to become Zoom? Your theory sucks, you are welcome.

[Lock Jaw]

Zoom kinda looks like Xorn... maybe he is really Magneto....

[mitchables]

Oh, gimme a break. So you think not only did Eddie survive due to some supernatural shit but he also travelled in time to become Zoom? Your theory sucks, you are welcome.

no, a-hole, that is not what i said. i said he became zoom in the breach, and that by virtue of being an ultra-fast speedster, he'd be able to run fast enough to travel back in time to "first appear" two years ago

did you even watch the first season

[mitchables]

and i don't think he survived. i think he was resurrected.

[mitchables]

i rly hope that's not the last villainous appearance for captain cold. love his dynamic with barry and want to see him lead a proper rogues job with more than just heatwave and/or his sister at least once before he goes good guy for legends of tomorrow

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Lol Wentworth Miller is the worst. It's beyond just cheesy acting now. He's full on awful.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I mean, the show itself is like 90% Camembert, and for his first few appearances I figured he was just embracing that. But every line he delivered in this episode was just terrible.

I don't remember him being quite so bad on Prison Break, but I guess I was like 17 when I watched that so probably didn't care too much.

[Lock Jaw]

King Shark looked pretty sweet.... too bad they probably didn't have the budget to actually give him a full episode....

[McLegend]

He looked really good.

[Sixx]

That Hawgirl actress is just so horribly ugly.

Like a younger LaToya Jackson, ugh.

[Lock Jaw]

Patty Spivot actress pretty hot braud, though..... thumbs up....

[Sixx]

Patty Spivot actress pretty hot braud, though..... thumbs up....

Agreed!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Patty Spivot actress pretty hot braud, though..... thumbs up....

She is a notable One Tree Hill Alumni. Please move this post to the correct thread in the mma forum.

[Lock Jaw]

Oh damn.... someone inform road doggy dogg....

[McLegend]

I feel that Zoom is either Earth 2 Barry, Earth 2 Eobard Thawn, or Earth 2 Eddie.

[Lock Jaw]

Still gonna go with Magneto

[Simple Fan]

I feel that Zoom is either Earth 2 Barry, Earth 2 Eobard Thawn, or Earth 2 Eddie.

Don't see it being Earth 2 Barry but maybe Eddie. Been thinking that Earth 2 Barry could be Cobalt Blue if he was to show up in the series. Eobard would be the most logical to me.

[Blonde Moment]

I feel that Zoom is either Earth 2 Barry, Earth 2 Eobard Thawn, or Earth 2 Eddie.

I was thinking earth 2 Barry as well maybe have the wrong Barry start season 3 but then i started wondering about Jay as well. Jay and Zoom sharing the same body but being two distinct people which would explain Jay never being able to Defeat Zoom. Just a way for Caitlin to lose someone she cares about yet again.

[VSG]

Doesn't explain the fights between the two on Earth 2. I was going to go with Eddie as well but the actor is on Quantico as well, so I think it's someone else entirely.

[Lock Jaw]

What if it is just Hunter Zolomon.... Doesn't necessarily need to be "someone"....

[Simple Fan]

What if Zoom is Iris's unknown brother? Jealous because Barry got his life.

[mitchables]

nah wally west has been cast as a specific person, def not zoom

imo my eddie theory got given a decent shot in the arm

- he knows who barry's ex is, having apparently never actually met barry or earth-1 flash to be *able* to know that without having, well, met him before
- his "i will not die" line was very black flash; still feel like his 'corpse'/'demon' look is pretty strongly evocative of some connection to death

plus the cobalt blue connection, who wasn't a speedster in his own right but 'stole' speed from others, which jay said happened to him, and cobalt blue was barry's twin brother malcolm thawne, who was pretty widely accepted as the general basis for the eddie character, bearing in mind that eddie already shares similarities with hunter zolomon too.

basically, zoom ii + black flash + cobalt blue = cw zoom, and all of that, since cw zoom is clearly not "just" zoom, makes me think it's not hugely likely to be hunter zolomon, but rather someone we *do* know, someone who shares a buttload of traits with all the characters that seem to have influenced the way this incarnation of zoom has taken shape

but whatever sixx will probably just tell me i am being stupid again

[Sixx]

You're being stupid again.

[mitchables]

called it :cool:

[Sixx]

Nah, but to be honest, I just think he's gonna be his own man. Then again, I don't really think about this much, we will see.

[mitchables]

i'm definitely not *ruling out* that he ends up just being hunter zolomon or someone else entirely or whatever; i just think the other thing would be cool/plausible in terms of continuity and what they've set up is all

[Sixx]

i'm definitely not *ruling out* that he ends up just being hunter zolomon or someone else entirely or whatever; i just think the other thing would be cool/plausible in terms of continuity and what they've set up is all

I agree it would be cool, because I really grew to like Eddie. Would like to see him back. Sadly, from what I've read, the actor's got other commitments and is not coming back.

[McLegend]

What if it is just Hunter Zolomon.... Doesn't necessarily need to be "someone"....

This true, but I don't know who that is.

Besides random speculation is so much more fun.

[mitchables]

hunter zolomon was the alter-ego of zoom in the comics. was a cop who wanted wally to reverse time to restore his legs after he gets paralysed or something(?) and wally wouldn't do it and zoom became obsessed with the idea that barry had been a better flash because he had experienced personal grief, and he would have done it, so anyway he gets powers when he tries to use the cosmic treadmill himself and gets all bent out of shape about making wally a better flash by basically punching his personal life in the nads

the other 'standalone' guy we haven't considered is edward clariss, aka 'the rival', aka jay's reverse-flash

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/9/9b/Edward_Clariss_001.png

[McLegend]

Tom Cavanagh is dynamite.

[McLegend]

Also why hasn't Team Flash used the super computer (Gideon) from the future that is currently in Star Labs?

Not saying it could help them in their current predicament, but clearly it could help in other things.

[mitchables]

good question re gideon, feel like they should have wheeled her out of the little enclave at some stage. seems like she'd come in handy a lot

some good stuff this episode - reveal of wells' daughter as jessie quick was pretty cool, robert queen keeping up the new 52 earth-2 theme of rich fathers avenging their dead sons by becoming the vigilantes their earth-1 counterparts became (how good would a thomas wayne batman guest spot be, seriously), the fight with zoom was rly good. enjoyable viewing

[The Destroyer]

Would Gideon even still be around with the Reverse Flash technically having been erased? Although I suppose it's not like it undid much else he was responsible for, so possibly.

[VSG]

I liked Zoom's costume, did not come off cable tv budget.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah Zoom looks awesome. Don't even know if he can take the suit off, like its part of him or something.

[McLegend]

Yeah I don't know about Vandal Savage.

Overall good stuff though. I like the banter between Oliver and Barry.