Roman Reigns=Billy Gunn

[The Condor]

So, watching the main event of RAW, I finally get it.

Just as Billy was the hot tag for Road Dogg, that's all that Reigns has been since the halcyon days of Shield 6-man tag matches... high energy guy who gets the hot tag and hits 4 moves, fucks people up and gets the pin.

So, how many Mr. Ass/The One pushes do we get from Roman before they realize this and abort the singles pushes?

[Schlomey]

after Wrestlemania is over I see the Roman push dying down or at least changing directions drastically. They have way too much time and product invested into him and the story to stop the train right now.

[Funky Fly is back]

I don't remember Billy Gunn ever getting a serious push mate. Correct me if I'm wrong but did he ever even get a singles push?

[Nicky Fives]

I don't remember Billy Gunn ever getting a serious push mate. Correct me if I'm wrong but did he ever even get a singles push?

Summerslam 1999 "Kiss My Ass" Match versus The Rock was as high as he got...I wouldn't call it serious though, although like many he deserved his shot, always had great matches, had a good gimmick and could cut a passable promo....Hard to compete with the likes of Austin, Rock, Angle, HHH, Taker though.....

[drave]

So, watching the main event of RAW, I finally get it.

Just as Billy was the hot tag for Road Dogg, that's all that Reigns has been since the halcyon days of Shield 6-man tag matches... high energy guy who gets the hot tag and hits 4 moves, fucks people up and gets the pin.

So, how many Mr. Ass/The One pushes do we get from Roman before they realize this and abort the singles pushes?


He needs to turn heel. That would keep his character a "fresh" kick that it seems to need at this point.

Still say that him walking out on his own just to come back over 30 minutes later is utter shite and ruined pretty much EVERYTHING about his character he has talked about so far.

[road doggy dogg]

why don't they just turn the damn guy heel... I can't imagine he sells even 10% of the merch that Cena does that would have a detrimental financial impact if people didn't like him

[road doggy dogg]

on the same wavelength again

[drave]

IT'S WHAT I DO!

[Big Vic]

Yeah he got a push around the time of KOTR 1999, then rock kinda burried him in promos and it was over.

[Simple Fan]

Roman definitely needs to turn heel. They have had so many opportunities to do it and didnt, maybe this time he snaps on Ambrose and takes his own path. Really doesnt need to go full heel and join the Athority but just being a loner that doesnt like anyone and doesnt care what the fans think. Would go along with his entrence to as. o one wants him in tbe locker room, but if he was heel I dont think he would enter through the crowd. Needs less mic time as well.

[NormanSmiley]

reigns just keeps missing opportunities. a hired gun heel is his best route. last night was a perfect opportunity for him to cut a good promo backstage with whoever is doing the segments these days, instead of the babygirl bullshit trying to play cool,he should have been pissed off. where cena takes the times he should be pissed off and smiles or laughs, reigns takes those times and tries to be too cool for school. its annoying when they do it.

[Funky Fly is back]

Summerslam 1999 "Kiss My Ass" Match versus The Rock was as high as he got...I wouldn't call it serious though, although like many he deserved his shot, always had great matches, had a good gimmick and could cut a passable promo....Hard to compete with the likes of Austin, Rock, Angle, HHH, Taker though.....

No recollection of that. If I ever try out the WWE Network I will give it a watch.

[NormanSmiley]

No recollection of that. If I ever try out the WWE Network I will give it a watch.


don't bother. shitty match over hyped by guys who thought every attitude era match was 5 stars. you knew going in billy was getting buried

[Black Widow]

Roman has more memorable matches just last year than Billy's whole career.

[Big Vic]

1?

I mean I guess your right.

[Rammsteinmad]

Billy Gunn vs Jamie Noble from Vengeance 2003 (I think) was a good match.

So they're tied, 1-1.

[Simple Fan]

Roman and memorable matches is an oxymoron.

[Sepholio]

Roman should be a bodyguard/enforcer type character. IE he walks around as muscle for people better than him in every way. Kinda like the Shield.

[Arrogance]

I keep getting the feeling he's better as a heel...like he's got this massive cowardly streak in his look or something. Especially when he has the whole "no one likes him," thing going on.

For some I keep thinking about Batista's run as the heel prick/primadonna before he left WWE...it was his best work.

[Big Vic]

Roman should be a bodyguard/enforcer type character. IE he walks around as muscle for people better than him in every way. Kinda like the Shield.
Yeah he was perfect in the shield but not as a singles wrestler.

[thekrow]

http://www.chwbackyard.com/uploads/2/5/4/6/25465882/150225.jpg?359


Roman Reigns reminds me a lot about Xacutor. Just like Xacutor rode the "coattails" of Team FTW for his success, Roman got over based off The Shield. CHW keeps trying to get Xacutor over just like WWE keeps doing with Roman Reigns.
Honestly, I like both Roman Reigns and Xacutor but I think they'd both do better as part of a tag team.

[Simple Fan]

They would make the perfect team.

[Black Widow]

1?

I mean I guess your right.Roman/ Show LMS
Roman/Brock
Roman/Bray hiac
Roman/Bryan
4way from raw

[road doggy dogg]

Roman as a heel would work so well. Have him turn on Ambrose or whatever. Join the authority. And they can be meta as fuck and have him brag about how he has been pushed so much so fast and forced down our throats despite people clearly not liking it. Address all the boos and shit. Come out and say he's the "new Cena", and he's gonna be here a long ass time so they better just deal with it.


Would be gr8 but stupid

[The CyNick]

Roman has been consistently getting the biggest pop on house shows. I get some people don't like the guy, but he's really over with the majority of the audience. Billy Gunn on his own was never that over.

The portion of the audience that chants for marks dressed like geeks doesn't like him but are loud.

[My Final Heaven]

Mostly what I remember about the Rock / Billy Kiss my Ass Match, was Billy brought out an ugly fat girl for Rock to kiss because "his ass was too pretty to have Rock's lips on it." Of course, after Billy lost Rocky forced him to kiss the fat chick's ass, and King made a bunch of cracks about her almost having an orgasm.

Odd that I can recall little throwaway angles like this so vividly :-\

[Simple Fan]

Roman has been consistently getting the biggest pop on house shows. I get some people don't like the guy, but he's really over with the majority of the audience. Billy Gunn on his own was never that over.

The portion of the audience that chants for marks dressed like geeks doesn't like him but are loud.

Do you go to every house show? No way Roman gets the biggest pop if hes on the same show as Ambrose.

[Wishbone]

Do you go to every house show? No way Roman gets the biggest pop if hes on the same show as Ambrose.

CyNick is a ridiculous moron that will defend anything WWE does with his life out of hope that Vince McMahon Senpai will one day notice him. Just ignore anything he has to say, dude.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roman Reigns will win the WWE Title at WrestleMania. He'll probably have a few PPV matches against Triple H to try and smash him over. When that doesn't work, I can see the company turning him heel around SummerSlam time.

[The CyNick]

Do you go to every house show? No way Roman gets the biggest pop if hes on the same show as Ambrose.

Not going to get into a pissing contest about it. But he has been getting the biggest pop in most markets.

[The CyNick]

CyNick is a ridiculous moron that will defend anything WWE does with his life out of hope that Vince McMahon Senpai will one day notice him. Just ignore anything he has to say, dude.

Why would I want Vince to notice me?

[The CyNick]

Roman Reigns will win the WWE Title at WrestleMania. He'll probably have a few PPV matches against Triple H to try and smash him over. When that doesn't work, I can see the company turning him heel around SummerSlam time.

What will define him "not working"?

Some geeks in Chicago booing him? John Cena gets booed a lot of places but he's stacking cash left and right and WWE has done amazing with him.

[ron the dial]

Not going to get into a pissing contest about it. But he has been getting the biggest pop in most markets.
source? just curious.

[BigCrippyZ]

Not going to get into a pissing contest about it. But he has been getting the biggest pop in most markets.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

[BigCrippyZ]

John Cena gets booed a lot of places but he's stacking cash left and right and WWE has done amazing with his merch sales, allegedly by offering and having more Cena merch for sale at events then other superstars.

I've fixed it for you.

[The CyNick]

source? just curious.

Like I said, it's not worth getting into. Let's just say I trust my sources.

[BigCrippyZ]

Like I said, it's not worth getting into. Let's just say I trust my sources.

So, your sources are so credible and trustworthy that it's not worth getting into? That's an interesting way to avoid having to explain your position or provide any sources. :lol:

[The CyNick]

I've fixed it for you.

So what's your mindset on this?

You think WWE foregoes additional sales to ensure John Cena gets rich?

You think WWE fans come to events shirtless and in order to stay warm they are backed into a corner to buy whatever is available?

Or you think WWE has limited space to sell merch so they carry what is selling the most?

[Wishbone]

Lol CyNick is such a silly little boy.

[ron the dial]

Like I said, it's not worth getting into. Let's just say I trust my sources.
it's absolutely worth getting into. back up your claim.

[The CyNick]

So, your sources are so credible and trustworthy that it's not worth getting into? That's an interesting way to avoid having to explain your position or provide any sources. :lol:

I'm not trying to get anyone to trust me. I'm not a journalist, i'm not even trying to pretend to be one, like some people.

Most of what I'm saying you can find online, twitter, facebook, reading financial reports. The other stuff, I'm not expecting people to believe anyway, so it's not worth talking about.

[ron the dial]

i'm not here to talk down to you like it seems every interaction with you has devolved into. i genuinely want to know the basis for that claim. because he doesn't even get the biggest pop of the night most nights on tv.

[The CyNick]

it's absolutely worth getting into. back up your claim.

For what purpose?

Just assume I'm full of shit. Its easier.

[The CyNick]

i'm not here to talk down to you like it seems every interaction with you has devolved into. i genuinely want to know the basis for that claim.

About Reigns? Do your research. Read reviews of house shows. It's not rocket science.

[road doggy dogg]

These types of things usually work when you provide the evidence for your claims.

[Shisen Kopf]

Last year I went to two (2) house shows and I happened to bring a decibel meter with me in case an argument like this would happen. Roman Reigns did receive cheers and some boos but the loudest cheers were for Cena and Dean Ambrose. Also, a guy in the parking lot was saying how much Roman Reigns sucks and a guy in the parking lot is as credible as it gets.

[Big Vic]

CyNick reads the dirt sheets? Meltzer Sheep.

[Sepholio]

WE THE SHEEPLE

[#1-norm-fan]

Not going to get into a pissing contest about it. But he has been getting the biggest pop in most markets.

source? just curious.

Like I said, it's not worth getting into. Let's just say I trust my sources.

it's absolutely worth getting into. back up your claim.

For what purpose?

Just assume I'm full of shit. Its easier.

lol @ all of this.

[Poit]

I don't remember Billy Gunn ever getting a serious push mate. Correct me if I'm wrong but did he ever even get a singles push?

I totally remember The One Billy Gunn.

At least, I remember his awesome theme. I can't remember anything else about his singles run.

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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Curious as to how Poit would rate Billy, Chuck, and Rico in the MFK game.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Sounds so much like a theme to a 90's sitcom.

Just go to 33 seconds in and tell me it doesn't feel like Billy is about to show up, suddenly turn to face the camera and give a cheesy smile as his name pops up underneath him.

[CSL]

"she was the orphan teenager with a heart of gold that stole a sandwich out of his car. He was the womanising athlete in the twilight of his career with something missing in his life. Soon, they would become each other's "The One". Coming to ABC this fall." *start YouTube video*

[CSL]

credit sequence is them messing around in NYC. He whistles a taxi, she steals it! He can't find her, she pops out of a bin! He goes to eat some ice cream, she pushes it in his face!

[CSL]

TV at it's finest I'm telling you

[Lock Jaw]

Does Dean Ambrose = Chuck Palumbo?!

[screech]

lol @ all of this.

You just need to read house show reports. CyNick can't do everything for you.

[drave]

House shows + House Show Ratings = USA Network Exec's high-fiving in the hallways.

[drave]

BASIC MATH!

[screech]

"she was the orphan teenager with a heart of gold that stole a sandwich out of his car. He was the womanising athlete in the twilight of his career with something missing in his life. Soon, they would become each other's "The One". Coming to ABC this fall." *start YouTube video*

credit sequence is them messing around in NYC. He whistles a taxi, she steals it! He can't find her, she pops out of a bin! He goes to eat some ice cream, she pushes it in his face!

I would watch this every week, no doubt. Bravo

[Sepholio]

DUH

[The Condor]

I totally remember The One Billy Gunn.

At least, I remember his awesome theme. I can't remember anything else about his singles run.



Billy Gunn always had memorable themes, from the Outlaws, to Assman, to the One, and even the Billy and Chuck theme was awesome for the gimmick.

[Sepholio]

Billy Gunn should be in the main event of WM this year.

[BigCrippyZ]

House shows + House Show Ratings = USA Network Exec's high-fiving in the hallways.

This is awesome.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Not going to get into a pissing contest about it. But he has been getting the biggest pop in most markets.

Most markets carry 3 Liters? :eek::shifty:

[The CyNick]

Most markets carry 3 Liters? :eek::shifty:

Lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like I said, it's not worth getting into. Let's just say I trust my sources.

Are those sources Vince or Triple H? Otherwise they are Meltzer sheep.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roman Reigns isn't working because he's killing live television crowds. It's bad TV. He can't even get cheered in Orlando.