Hey Cynick

[Ruien]

Why did Seth Rollins stop doing his amazing laugh?

[Destor]

Not sure why this exists but im going to allow it

[Ruien]

Because this is a very important question.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think Rita Repulsa must have sued.

[Wishbone]

CyNick Response: Because Vince McMahon said so, and anything Vince says is law and/or the literal word of god. Now excuse me while I finish fellating Kevin Dunn and the creative team in a massive orgy that's sure to get amazing ratings within the 18-35 demographic.

Real Response: Likely because it works for a chickenshit heel who's supposed to piss people off, but would almost certainly be counter productive for a face who's trying to win people over.

[Sepholio]

You done fucked up now ruien. If Fan and Noid get as mad as they do over people posting to Cynick then how do you think they'll react to making a whole damn thread directed at him? I fear for you.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

RUIEN DON'T YOU SEE WHAT YR DOING

[mike adamle]

GUYS....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

guys....

[#1-norm-fan]

Totally legit question. I approve.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fan, you're playing into his hands. JUST STOP

[#1-norm-fan]

Once we get an answer to the question surely there will be nothing more to talk about and this thread will die without incident. Ruien knows what he's doing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

NO.... STOP

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

LET GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS

[Sepholio]

Fan with the double dog reverse troll. Impressive.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cynick is the goods

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

we'll argue with the CyNick if he responds thus imploding the very foundation in which this entire world is built upon. DON'T YEW UNDERSTAND

[#1-norm-fan]

This odd, totally uncharacteristic spazz out by Dale Newstead may be the only notable thing to come from this thread when all is said and done.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What are you talking about fan. I'm as even keel as they come. HOW DARE YOU :rant:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

this odd, uncharacteristic instance of fan being a dingus may be the only notable thing to come from this thread when all is said and done.

[Sepholio]

I don't know how but he damn sure dared.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:lol: score one for the Newsteadinator

[Sepholio]

Imagine when it's revealed that fan is cynick.

[#1-norm-fan]

What are you talking about fan. I'm as even keel as they come. HOW DARE YOU :rant:

Are you telling me I'm wrong? I'd be fuming if I weren't so even keeled.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I ought to club you in the head and eat your bones for questioning my even keelness.

[Big Vic]

Ruien calls out Cynick which leads to a match between #1wf and Dale.
WCW/TNA/RAW booking at it's finest.

[#1-norm-fan]

If we take this to a second page and Ruien's question gets lost in the shuffle, he's not gonna be very happy.

[Sepholio]

There is still time for cynick to be the special guest referee. Be interesting to see if fan can keep his tpww real fights record intact with the deck stacked against him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That sounds like a challenge to me.

Where's my homey normansmiley when I need him?

[Sepholio]

Don't make me dodecapost and ensure page 2 shenanigans occur.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol normansmiley's never gonna show his face here again. Pretty sure the shame of running from our fight sent him into a downward spiral and he is homeless or dead right now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lmfao

What was the deal with that? I thought it was all fun and games but that dude had a screw loose so I'm not sure.

[Sepholio]

What if he's stuck in some kind of limbo for dead homeless guys? He can't pass on properly until his spirit returns to take care of his unfinished business with you fan. That's why he has returned and his spirit lurks deep within cynick and he is seeking his comeuppance. Bewaaaaaaarrrreeee.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

last i heard he did an interview on talk is jericho

[#1-norm-fan]

What if he's stuck in some kind of limbo for dead homeless guys? He can't pass on properly until his spirit returns to take care of his unfinished business with you fan. That's why he has returned and his spirit lurks deep within cynick and he is seeking his comeuppance. Bewaaaaaaarrrreeee.

... Holy shit. Mind blown.

[#1-norm-fan]

Now that Seph has made me realize that CyNick is definitely possessed with the spirit of norman smiley I'm gonna have to take a completely new approach to this issue.

[Sepholio]

Now that Seph has made me realize that CyNick is definitely possessed with the spirit of norman smiley I'm gonna have to take a completely new approach to this issue.

Norman smiley don't fear the reaper. This is going to take some special hoodoo witchery on your part. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

#tpwwrealfights

[Evil Vito]

What if TheCyNick was actually Tony Romo?

[Sepholio]

That means norman smiley is Tony romo! Shocker to start page 2!

[Ruien]

I bet Destor is happy he kept this open now.

[#1-norm-fan]

norman smiley is NOT Tony Romo. Let's not get ridiculous here.

[The CyNick]

I wish I had something profound to say, but I assumed it was just part of the evolution of his character to Babyface.

But I could try to find out.

We did just use this thread as a general education thread. If people want to sit under my tree of knowledge on various subjects. Would probably end up being a very highly rated thread.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Much maligned CyNick Opinions thread #2.

Pretty good B Show material. You keep up the good work CyNick, you're hitting B+ show material. Nothing more though, you just don't have the long term potential of an A show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What are your thoughts on Vince McMahon's involvements in the Jimmy Snuka murder cold case that has now been dismissed due to Snuka's mental state?

[Big Vic]

Was the HHH vs Seth angle hot-shotted too early?

[Bad News Gertner]

Come everyone. Let's sit under the learning tree.

[The CyNick]

Much maligned CyNick Opinions thread #2.

Pretty good B Show material. You keep up the good work CyNick, you're hitting B+ show material. Nothing more though, you just don't have the long term potential of an A show.

Dale, dont come into my site like youre the boss!

[The CyNick]

What are your thoughts on Vince McMahon's involvements in the Jimmy Snuka murder cold case that has now been dismissed due to Snuka's mental state?

Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.

[The CyNick]

Was the HHH vs Seth angle hot-shotted too early?

The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.

[Simple Fan]

The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.

[#1-norm-fan]

BE GONE, NORMAN! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.

nope. Couldn't be tried because he wasn't in mental condition to be tried.

[Destor]

I bet Destor is happy he kept this open now.

I really am, this is what tpww should look like

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

truer words never spoken

[BigCrippyZ]

Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.

Wrong again, you dumb fuck. Snuka was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial. Vince wasn't even involved as a party in this trial. Swing and a miss.

You truly are as uninformed and stupid as you come across.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Vince was on site at the police station the day it went down. He could/would have probably been called as a witness.

[BigCrippyZ]

Vince was on site at the police station the day it went down. He could/would have probably been called as a witness.

Yes, but he's not a party to the trial because he's not a defendant or plaintiff (i.e., the prosecutor in this criminal case). Being a witness is not the same as being a party, but a party can obviously also be a witness.

[KIRA]

The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.

LMAO Jesus fucking Christ :lol:

Remember folks, CyNick will be appearing at the Chuckle Hut all week!

[The CyNick]

Wrong again, you dumb fuck. Snuka was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial. Vince wasn't even involved as a party in this trial. Swing and a miss.

You truly are as uninformed and stupid as you come across.

Ooof

[The CyNick]

LMAO Jesus fucking Christ :lol:

Remember folks, CyNick will be appearing at the Chuckle Hut all week!

I haven't done a set in years.

[The CyNick]

The overall story has played out well, even given the hardships WWE had to deal with.

I just think they have done this start and stop thing with Rollins and Hunter, which has hurt a little, but like I said, all of it was because of injuries.

[RP]

What rub is HHH possibly giving when he has not wrestled in a long time. It's not like he's red hot and dominating. He would basically becoming to wrestlemania, taking his suit off and taking a pin. That's not a huge rub at all. If he was coming in after beating i dunno, Jericho in a program or someone along those lines, then maybe i can get it, but him just taking a suit off and wrestling at WrestleMania is not a rub for anyone.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They want for Triple H to be in a match to be like the Undertaker. It failed against Roman Reigns but people like Seth. It could work.

Daniel Bryan WORKED.
Sting WORKED? It was a called fun and a very talked about match.
Roman Reigns FAILED.
Seth Rollins ????

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Nicky, do you think Vince could successfully release his own brand of viagra. Maybe not exactly viagra but perhaps his own brand. Maybe call it "genetic Jackhammer"? THink it'd be successful?

[The CyNick]

They want for Triple H to be in a match to be like the Undertaker. It failed against Roman Reigns but people like Seth. It could work.

Daniel Bryan WORKED.
Sting WORKED? It was a called fun and a very talked about match.
Roman Reigns FAILED.
Seth Rollins ????

Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Sting and Bryan were already over. They didn't need Triple H to elevate their status. The Bryan match made tyre most sense.

The Rollins one is gonna be forced as fuck. Yes they were teasing tension prior to Rollins injury but the turn on Rollins came outta nowhere and was then dropped for months.

I feel like Rollins should be getting a coronation this Mania as he has a better story to build up but apparently that ain't gonna be the case

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.

Probably because as a face Reigns has failed to connect. Now I'm sure you'll cite garnering the biggest reactions as a success, but they clearly do not want him to be booed. They've tried their damndest, at least before Mania, to get him over as a face for 2 years. They've had him plow they every viable heel, other than Lesnar, that they could have and he's still being rejected despite them still presenting him as the top babyface.

That's probably why, and its a fair point. Cena was not rejected this way. Not at first. His first few years as the groomed babyface went over well. Wasn't until sometime on the backend of 05 that it started to turn on him. Roman has been rejected since day one.

Mania sells itself. The fact that a roster as depleted as it was for last year still became the most watched Mania just sells that point. Who main events isn't as important as it used to be, and that's a credit to Vince building his brand recognition to essentially sell itself.

I think people may also think Reigns has failed due his character not progressing. I haven't watched since his mania win, but has his character changed in any way? Based on what I've read he's still being pushed as a mega face going over heel talent left and right, and is still the main event.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H could actually be more over if he stepped out of active competition. People eat the NXT shtick up. The character should have died after Daniel Bryan beat him.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Agree

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT Babyface Triple H vs. Out of Line Heel Samoa Joe would be a great program.

[The CyNick]

Some people don't get that the Hunter in WWE is a character. The guy who kicks off NXT and tweets with the NXT talent when they achieved something is more or less Paul.

The same people who don't get that are the same people who can't comprehend why Stephanie acts like a bitch in character and at the same timeis widely recognized as a sweet person in real life, such as tweeting about speaking at conferences to empower young women, helping out sick kids, and working out at midnight to promote healthy living.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't think anyone is confused at all.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.

We didn't go to see that match and everybody booed every time Reigns did a move. They had to turn up his music to bullshit levels to have us be drowned out.

FAIL.

It was also the WM with the least amount of people watching when Ryback and Kalisto fought for the us strap.

[The CyNick]

Probably because as a face Reigns has failed to connect. Now I'm sure you'll cite garnering the biggest reactions as a success, but they clearly do not want him to be booed. They've tried their damndest, at least before Mania, to get him over as a face for 2 years. They've had him plow they every viable heel, other than Lesnar, that they could have and he's still being rejected despite them still presenting him as the top babyface.

That's probably why, and its a fair point. Cena was not rejected this way. Not at first. His first few years as the groomed babyface went over well. Wasn't until sometime on the backend of 05 that it started to turn on him. Roman has been rejected since day one.

Mania sells itself. The fact that a roster as depleted as it was for last year still became the most watched Mania just sells that point. Who main events isn't as important as it used to be, and that's a credit to Vince building his brand recognition to essentially sell itself.

I think people may also think Reigns has failed due his character not progressing. I haven't watched since his mania win, but has his character changed in any way? Based on what I've read he's still being pushed as a mega face going over heel talent left and right, and is still the main event.

You say clearly they want him to be cheered. How do you know that? Would you be shocked to hear that internally they are more than happy with Roman's reactions? Do you think John Cena cares that 15% of the audience boos him? He sells merch, he makes bank, he's happy. Why wouldn't you copy that formula with Roman?

[The CyNick]

We didn't go to see that match and everybody booed every time Reigns did a move. They had to turn up his music to bullshit levels to have us be drowned out.

FAIL.

It was also the WM with the least amount of people watching when Ryback and Kalisto fought for the us strap.

What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

You say clearly they want him to be cheered. How do you know that? Would you be shocked to hear that internally they are more than happy with Roman's reactions? Do you think John Cena cares that 15% of the audience boos him? He sells merch, he makes bank, he's happy. Why wouldn't you copy that formula with Roman?

Why have a superman like character go so dominant over heels if the goal is to have a reaction be something other than a boo? It would be different if Reigns was feuding with clear cut babyfaces and beating them but kept cutting face promos and working from underneath, like a face. He wasn't doing that last I saw, and gave no response if his character direction has changed. Based on show results and people commentating here, it appears nothing has changed with how they're handling him.

Of course they didn't care if Cena was getting negative reactions, he was moving merchandise hand over fist. Is Reigns moving that significant amount of goods? Do you have reports or numbers to suggest he is? Because unless he is, you cannot compare him to Cena, who was moving merchandise well before he became the man.

15% of the audience, last I watched and based on what people say when asked here and others I know that still watch, is not the amount of audience he's being booed by. Going into to Mania 31 and every Raw and network ppv I watched thru Mania 32 had him getting booed without mercy by the majority of the arena.

Last but not least, Reigns is not Cena. And he's not even close. Reigns was protected and to a great extent hidden in the SHEILD why he developed. Cena was and has always been a singles competitor only. He's miles ahead of Roman as a talker, has far more natural charisma and is better now and was better in his early days around 2003 as a worker than Roman is now.

Granted, Cena was actually given time to develop. He got to find his own footing on the B show and once they gave him room to breath he took off. Roman has not been given that chance. But I personally don't think it matters. At the same stage in their careers, Cena was the superior talent and still think he's the superior talent now.

I think they've tried to manufacture Roman's stardom and its not going over well. He's over in a sense that fans love too boo the shit out of him even though he's presented as an unstoppable super hero.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?

Nobody is arguing the level of reaction he gets. The question is this the reaction they are shooting for. Consider how they book him my opinion would be no.

[The CyNick]

Nobody is arguing the level of reaction he gets. The question is this the reaction they are shooting for. Consider how they book him my opinion would be no.

They book Cena the same way as they know he will get booed, and booed more heavily in certain towns.

The funny thing is in the town's he gets the most boos, he sells the most merch. Roman likely isn't at Cena's level for merch, but he's probably next on the list. If Roman's merch money stars going with, then the WWE may think it's time to turn him heel.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

But Roman Reigns is not John Cena. By a country mile.

[Simple Fan]

Exactly, they have copied that formula with Reigns but it's not been as successful which is what everyone is saying. That 15% you say boo Cena is more like 50% when talking about Reigns.

The thing about Cena is he can get on the microphone and change some of them boos to cheers where as Reigns simply can't do that. Although people may hate Cena they do respect his hustle and loyalty. That is the Cena formula right? Roman hasn't showed any loyalty to the fans by getting suspended earlier this year, fail. Can't keep up with the hustle without using something, fail. It's not a knock on him he can use what ever he wants for all I care but the guy is just not John Cena and it's dumb to even try. Cena also had his own progression into that spot and Reigns was forced into a spot he wasn't ready for and fans rejected him.

[Simple Fan]

What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?

Chris Jericho every week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Reigns is not a babyface. He's a natural heel. People will ironically start to cheer him when he clicks into that more natural alignment. It will just feel a lot more...together with him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

While I've got no interest in Reigns vs. Taker, if Reigns destroys Undertaker at WrestleMania, he will be set up to be that heel star. It's all for naught if they keep trying to jam him down people's throats as a superhero though.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

When you look back at the previous era's stars, they all cut their teeth as heels and then made the huge turn. Hogan, Michaels, Austin/Rock, Cena.

Guys like Jericho, Punk, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc also got established as heels before turning. Rarely is there a Steamboat or Mysterio type where they're just natural babyfaces.

Reigns turning heel could go long way.

[Maluco]

Reigns is not a babyface. He's a natural heel. People will ironically start to cheer him when he clicks into that more natural alignment. It will just feel a lot more...together with him.

He really is. Anytime I watch, his mannerisms are so heelish. He has those arrogant little smirks and dismissive interviews. I don't understand why they don't just embrace it totally.

Him going into Mania as a cocky young heel, looking to take out a face Goldberg who is stealing his spotlight is interesting to me.

Nothing he does at the moment is interesting and he is incredibly hard to like as a face.

He is not John Cena, so why not play to his strengths if you want him to be a big player in the future?

Right now it is a square peg in a round hole.

[The CyNick]

When you look back at the previous era's stars, they all cut their teeth as heels and then made the huge turn. Hogan, Michaels, Austin/Rock, Cena.

Guys like Jericho, Punk, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc also got established as heels before turning. Rarely is there a Steamboat or Mysterio type where they're just natural babyfaces.

Reigns turning heel could go long way.

I'm not against a Reigns heel turn, but I trust WWE knows what's best based on internal metrics that they have access to. If Reigns is the #1 merch seller outside Cena, that tells you it's not time to turn him.

People have been saying for years that they should turn Cena, but WWE never did it, because the numbers are clear that more paying customers like Cena than hate him. I feel the same is true with Reigns, just maybe not to the same level of Cena.

And at the end of the day it sounds like WWE has done a great job making some fans salivate at the thought of Reigns turning heel. Point is, one way or the other, people care about Roman Reigns. That means WWE has done their job.

[Evil Vito]

CyNick - not to say you support people losing their jobs, but if you had no choice but to release 5 wrestlers from the main roster, who would be on the chopping block?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Roman's not ready to take the Reigns. that is this brilliant motherfucker's hot take.

Awesome performer though but he's been rushed to the top.

I mean I know it's hard to believe a company can make a mistake, but I do believe they've made a mistake forcing Reigns down everyone's throats.

[#1-norm-fan]

BE GONE NORMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!

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OUT!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

BOOOOOOO gtfo of CyNick's thread!

If you want, we can make a thread where you can be a big dumb asshead. OH WAIT THAT'S EVERY THREAD :lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

Spazzzzzz

[#1-norm-fan]

"Waaah! Don't disagree with people! Waaaaaah!"

That's you. That's what you sound like.

Now shut up while I try to exorcise Norman Smiley's soul out of this motherfucker, you little whiny bitch. I'll work on exorcising the 13 year old girl out of you later.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I was actually joking with you. Perhaps it is you who is the 13 year old girl, taking it so personally ;)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and I feel like we have very different definitions of spazz.

[#1-norm-fan]

Here's an idea. Make Lesnar wrestle a RAW once in a while!

Special attraction wrestles every week on TV and is no longer special. Complainers gonna complain.

You have the worst comprehension ever. He said nothing about Leaner wrestling every week.

What a geek.

The "Get called out on a strawman so clearly that you can't even bullshit a response so you have to just throw a completely random, nonsensical insult out of nowhere to try to save face" tactic is definitely a norman smiley move. This theory is strong.

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[Destor]

Everyone saying Reigns not getting a traidional pop means he should be shot down the card doesnt get it. TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

which is a giant problem in itself.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't think he should be shot down the card. I l think they should change directions and start booking him according to the reaction he gets. He could be the top heel in the company right now

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

yeah he's a "main event guy" it'd be weird if he went off into obscurity. He was great with the shield as an up and coming young stud.

He is just a total heel

[Evil Vito]

They should put Dean Ambrose on Raw and just reform The Shield officially. They're better collectively than they are separately IMO, and it's also the one way to guarantee Roman gets cheered because The Shield were over as fuck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was on board for a Shield reunion, but I think they can get a lot out of Reigns as a solo act as a heel. Destor is right, in a sense, but he could be so "interesting" if they embraced his "shades of grey."

[Destor]

which is a giant problem in itself.
Good or bad it cant be changed or "fixed." It simply is.

[KIRA]

Everyone saying Reigns not getting a traidional pop means he should be shot down the card doesnt get it. TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.

Yea but they make it a point to downplay or outright lie about his reactions.

Its still Important to them that he is seen in a positive light.

For the record I like him right where he is just not enough to cheer.

[BigCrippyZ]

TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.

That's a big part of the problem though and part of the reason why the presentation and writing makes no sense and why interest has dwindled. They script almost everything with a wink and a nod to say it's not legit so we should just take it and enjoy it, all the while saying that "OMG! What just happened is super seriously important guys! Tune in!"

Never got that feeling during the Attitude era. Even though everyone knew it wasn't legit, every aspect of the product was treated with at least a minimal amount of seriousness/consistency, even when it didn't necessarily get over or wasn't executed well. There were no conflicting messages being sent.

[The CyNick]

The "Get called out on a strawman so clearly that you can't even bullshit a response so you have to just throw a completely random, nonsensical insult out of nowhere to try to save face" tactic is definitely a norman smiley move. This theory is strong.

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Imagine if I ever died. You would have no purpose in life.

[The CyNick]

Roman's not ready to take the Reigns. that is this brilliant motherfucker's hot take.

Awesome performer though but he's been rushed to the top.

I mean I know it's hard to believe a company can make a mistake, but I do believe they've made a mistake forcing Reigns down everyone's throats.

Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.

[Simple Fan]

He won a mid card title and was still featured in the main event every week. I agree he doesn't need to be shot down the card but he at least needs to be booked toward his strengths and that something they don't do. Like many have said what actually makes him a face other than he fights the bad guys? The guy has a natural heel look to him and I don't see any thing in him that shouts franchise guy.

[Simple Fan]

Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.

I'm curious as to what dues you think he's paid. Was featured prominently in the Shield and was pushed as the star of the group once they split. Maybe you are talking about his time in NXT as Leakee but as far as main roster goes he hasn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.

But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch.

Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm curious as to what dues you think he's paid. Was featured prominently in the Shield and was pushed as the star of the group once they split. Maybe you are talking about his time in NXT as Leakee but as far as main roster goes he hasn't.

Reigns works his ass off whenever he is out there. It doesn't make up for his lack of babyface charisma, but he works his ass off.

[#1-norm-fan]

Imagine if I ever died. You would have no purpose in life.

Replying but still avoiding a response to being called out on his strawman and opting for an unrelated insult again.

OUT, NORMAN!

[Mr. Nerfect]

#1-wwf-fan taking up for America. Again. U-S-A! U-S-A!

[#1-norm-fan]

America, TPWW, tits and beer. The spirit of homeless Norman has returned to take them all from us once and for all.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As commissioner of tpww real fights I need you guys to quiet down. This thread is CyNick's Piper's pit. RESPECT THE PIT

[#1-norm-fan]

And freedom.

[Evil Vito]

I think Noid might get jumped before his TPWWMania match against CyNick which will require his manager Fan to valiantly step in to the match in his place.

[#1-norm-fan]

Imagine the crowd reaction. My God.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll even sell a beating from mike adamle to get Fan into that match.

[#1-norm-fan]

Plus you'll have a new opponent set up. Such simple but effective booking even fans of an indy fed like NJPW would love it.

[KIRA]

Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.

You chalking this ALL up to him not being Daniel Bryan is....well..stupid

At one point maybe that was true ROMAN WAS OVER AS FUCK WHEN HE SAID VERY LITTLE AND JUST WAS THE DESTROYER of The Shield. He was actually quite likeable in his appernce on Conan.

We've been through this Bryan has a spark that Roman just does not have. He never will have it WWE tried to place him as a sympathetic babyface and fans cheered when he got his ass kicked. They tried to make him the determined face who cracks wise at his enemies and it was a rehash of John Cena except Cena is worlds better at it and can go beyond it.

Reigns has terrible shit lines written for him

He NEVER left The Shield


He's decent enough in ring but his style is akin to watching stuff blow up for an hr

[The CyNick]

Why don't you guys fight in the opener for the RIGHT to be the one to get their hands on me. Should be a bloodbath!

[Simple Fan]

I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.

But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch.

Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania.

Cena wasn't featured in the main event every week when he was US champion. Had his own segment that was about half way through the show usally. Reigns was even featured in the main event when he was fighting for the US title before he started wrestling Jericho and Owens every week. Don't really understand why he needed the US title as they kind of hand cuffed it with the Universal title but it's on Jericho now so I guess it worked out. I don't think they put it on him with the plan to drop it to Jericho though as I believe they just slapped it on him so he'd have a title and now that they want to put the other title on him he had to drop it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with you, SF. They didn't copy the Cena method well enough with Reigns. It's weird that you have a WWE Main Eventer (even if he's not accepted as such) holding a mid-card title and a mid-carder holding the "World Title."

[Simple Fan]

You chalking this ALL up to him not being Daniel Bryan is....well..stupid

At one point maybe that was true ROMAN WAS OVER AS FUCK WHEN HE SAID VERY LITTLE AND JUST WAS THE DESTROYER of The Shield. He was actually quite likeable in his appernce on Conan.

We've been through this Bryan has a spark that Roman just does not have. He never will have it WWE tried to place him as a sympathetic babyface and fans cheered when he got his ass kicked. They tried to make him the determined face who cracks wise at his enemies and it was a rehash of John Cena except Cena is worlds better at it and can go beyond it.

Reigns has terrible shit lines written for him

He NEVER left The Shield


He's decent enough in ring but his style is akin to watching stuff blow up for an hr

You're right there just isn't anything to feel sympathetic for about him. Even when he's had chances to get that big reaction that they want him to get a ducks it up. It was a few months ago and it might have been his feud with Rusev but he had the guy down in the ring with a chair in hand and the crowd wanted him to use it. What did he do, opened up the chair and took a seat. Yeah he eventually used it but he had the crowd in his hands didn't capitalize. Part of that might be him just going by the script of what he's told but at times like that you got to improvise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are very few guys on the roster with the balls to do that sort of thing. I can understand that people don't want to rock the boat and they like their positions, but I think that it does subconsciously bury them in fans' minds. When everyone is subservient and just following orders, no one really transcends.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Reigns still wrestles in a fucking protective vest that doesn't do anything.

[KIRA]

Now tell me how I'm wrong and how the fans are chomping at the bit for Roman to be champ again

tell me how his winning the belt from Triple H was met with adulation on par with DB.
and how Vince's scheme to force feed Roman to the fans is going according to plan because eventually they'll get tired of booing and just become apathetic allowing the cheers of soccer moms and kids to become dominant.

[BigCrippyZ]

When everyone is subservient and just following orders, no one really transcends.

That's another reason why Cena, Lesnar, Y2J, Goldberg, Rock, HHH, Austin and Taker are more over and bigger than the supposed "main eventers" of today. They don't give a shit about pissing Vince off or losing their jobs. If something isn't right, simply doesn't work, or there's an opportunity to get over or improve the storyline/themselves/etc., they'll speak up and say something or improvise in the moment. Today's main event guys just don't have that edge and are just too complacent, ignorant, lazy or some combo of all, to realize the opportunity and capitalize on it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The main event of Mania 32 should have been Heel Reigns vs. Babyface Brock for the WWE Title. Just saying. People would LOVE to see Brock beat the piss out of Reigns again.

[Sepholio]

You shut your dirty whore mouth noid. KO is not mid card.

[#1-norm-fan]

That's another reason why Cena, Lesnar, Y2J, Goldberg, Rock, HHH, Austin and Taker are more over and bigger than the supposed "main eventers" of today. They don't give a shit about pissing Vince off or losing their jobs. If something isn't right, simply doesn't work, or there's an opportunity to get over or improve the storyline/themselves/etc., they'll speak up and say something or improvise in the moment. Today's main event guys just don't have that edge and are just too complacent, ignorant, lazy or some combo of all, to realize the opportunity and capitalize on it.

To be fair, those part-timers have good reason to not worry about pissing Vince off and losing their jobs. They're either set for life, famous enough to go make plenty of money elsewhere or both. The full-timers don't have the same luxury. No more WCW to go to and keep making as much, if not more money.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You shut your dirty whore mouth noid. KO is not mid card.

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, Seph. :(

[Mr. Nerfect]

To be fair, those part-timers have good reason to not worry about pissing Vince off and losing their jobs. They're either set for life, famous enough to go make plenty of money elsewhere or both. The full-timers don't have the same luxury. No more WCW to go to and keep making as much, if not more money.

God, how wonderful it would be if there were a place for talent to go that could pay them on a comparative scale to Vince. The only downside to it is that if there were such a place, Daniel Bryan might still be wrestling and do some real serious damage to himself. I imagine there might be some sort of modern deal worked out where if you are found to be medically unfit for wrestling you contract gets frozen or a no-compete kicks in. But I'm not sure if that is even legal. I mean, Bryan got independent doctors to clear him too.

[The CyNick]

God, how wonderful it would be if there were a place for talent to go that could pay them on a comparative scale to Vince. The only downside to it is that if there were such a place, Daniel Bryan might still be wrestling and do some real serious damage to himself. I imagine there might be some sort of modern deal worked out where if you are found to be medically unfit for wrestling you contract gets frozen or a no-compete kicks in. But I'm not sure if that is even legal. I mean, Bryan got independent doctors to clear him too.

There is a place, it's called TNA, but companies not run by Vince are unable to succeed at a large level. But there's nothing stopping any of these companies from signing top talent to improve their product. Or better yet, create their own stars.

Vince is so good, he's now basically recreating the territory system on his own to feed the WWE. Shows that nobody else knows how to make this thing work.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't think tna can offer the same base money wwe can offer. Really their only advantage is for guys who have some talent but aren't featured getting a chance to shine with them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TNA can offer really big money to one or two talents they want to keep happy that can basically run the playground and do whatever they want. It was Angle and Sting that were getting the golden goose eggs when Spike TV was covering them, then it became a Bully Ray playground, and now it belongs to The Hardys. I'd love to see them jump back over to the WWE, but the freedom to do drugs and act the fools whilst being two of the only talents that presumably get paid on time is probably too enticing.