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Destor
01-26-2017, 03:54 PM
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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>TBD</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option></select>

Destor
01-26-2017, 03:57 PM
This one really shouldnt be close at all. Taker has had a longer more proudctive career. Taker is in the Top 3 for GOAT along with Hogan and Flair. He's had dozens more iconic matches and angles. The streak was larger than anything savage ever touched. Easily Taker.

Big Vic
01-26-2017, 04:13 PM
Randy played Bonesaw in spiderman, Randy hands down.

Lock Jaw
01-26-2017, 04:17 PM
This one really shouldnt be close at all. Taker has had a longer more proudctive career. Taker is in the Top 3 for GOAT along with Hogan and Flair. He's had dozens more iconic matches and angles. The streak was larger than anything savage ever touched. Easily Taker.

This.

Also Macho Man kind of went "downhill" a lot in his later career in WCW..... while Taker seemed like he kept getting better as time went on.

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 04:36 PM
I've actually gotta think about this one. Savage was better on the mic and in the ring without question. But Taker had the look, mystique and longevity on his side. As a character, he felt like more of a big deal for a longer period of time than Savage.

Destor
01-26-2017, 04:37 PM
I can think of 2 matches Savage had that are inthe league of Taker's top 10

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 04:41 PM
Time, career longevity and the fact that Taker wrestled in an era where guys had high profile matches on a monthly basis probably have something to do with that.

I can't think of 2 matches Savage had that were WORSE than any of Takers' 10 worst. I can't hold that against him for those same reasons though.

Maluco
01-26-2017, 05:08 PM
Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did?

Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

Emperor Smeat
01-26-2017, 06:33 PM
Tough decision but gave the slight nod to Taker and mainly due to his longevity as the tie breaker.

Both are legends as stars and among the greats of all time for wrestling. Macho gets the nod in terms of promo skills while Taker gets the nod in terms of longevity since it gave him more big and memorable moments than Macho had.

The Streak and Taker refreshing his career several times like Jericho ended up helping sway the vote towards him in the end.

Bad News Gertner
01-26-2017, 06:35 PM
Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did?

Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

Destor
01-26-2017, 07:11 PM
Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did?

Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

Savage wasnt a big draw and Mania has risen to hieghts previously unimaginable with a huge assist from the streak. So thats not even comparable. If ypure no.1 criteria is the draw then you must vote Taker. Hands down.

Story lines? If youre only asking for one HBMvTaker spanned 2 years and vastly superior matches. The streak, and its ending, will echo through generations far louder than any moment savage ever had with Liz.

Ruien
01-26-2017, 07:39 PM
Hmmm. I don't know. Everything in my head says Undertaker but the heart says Macho.

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 07:41 PM
I think you're giving Taker way more credit for the streak than you should. He was booked to win matches. It really had nothing to do with him. If you wanna praise him for the matches in the streak, that's one thing. But "he was booked to win matches" doesn't really speak to how good he was as a wrestler at all.

Blonde Moment
01-26-2017, 07:42 PM
Going to have to think about this one...
Savages' run in the WWf was cut short due to Vince feeling he was too old and his Wcw stuff was hindered by Hogan's influence

Taker has had a long career full of memorable moments but i feel that aside from maybe his match with Punk, Taker really should have had his last match with Micheals and the longer his "remains" remain in the WWe the more his legacy will be tarnished.

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 07:43 PM
That being said, I'm leaning toward Taker.

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-26-2017, 07:45 PM
Hard choice indeed. Went with the Macho Man because he deserves Hall of Fame. Will be along time to come around again.

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-26-2017, 07:46 PM
Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

Taker was never a big champion draw. Maybe in his later years

Wishbone
01-26-2017, 08:16 PM
Grew up watching Taker and have a plethora of great memories because of him. Macho was amazing, and the fact that I know who he is and just how great he was despite not being old enough to grow up watching him is testament to that, but in the end I gotta go with what I know.

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 08:22 PM
Wishbone makes a good point. Macho Man is more iconic and transcends wrestling more. Leaning toward him now.

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-26-2017, 08:23 PM
Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

Frank Drebin
01-26-2017, 08:37 PM
Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time.

When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!

Maluco
01-26-2017, 08:42 PM
He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

This is true. He got bigger reactions than Hogan at times and Hogan was obviously threatened by him and made sure he never got the big spotlight shined on him as champion.

The fact was, people loved him and Elizabeth and loved their story. He knew how to work an angle and he knew how to make the crowd react the way he wanted to.

There is no proof that the streak contributed to manias drawing power. In hindsight, WWE marketed it like that, but it was an afterthought until very recently and even when it was a thing it was rarely the top match on the card.

There is no evidence that Taker was a bigger peak draw than Savage and he was never the man. Savage was sabotaged, but he was still the man at one stage. Taker never was.

I'm not saying I am voting Savage, just giving the other side of the story...

Maluco
01-26-2017, 08:44 PM
Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time.

When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!

Well, I wasn't decided...Until I read this :y:

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-26-2017, 08:45 PM
I think your user photo is the reason you are voting Savage.

Maluco
01-26-2017, 08:46 PM
I think you're user photo is the reason you are voting Savage.

Lol, some people loved Hogan and some loved Warrior, I was def a Savage mark

Maluco
01-26-2017, 08:51 PM
Story lines? If youre only asking for one HBMvTaker spanned 2 years and vastly superior matches. The streak, and its ending, will echo through generations far louder than any moment savage ever had with Liz.

Honestly, would argue this point too. I don't think those Mania matches had a particularly good storyline or build. They were good matches, and the matches themselves, particularly the last one, told a good story, but Mega Powers was THE big story in the company for a full year and was built so well. Savage played his role brilliantly in it too.

Savage was definitely the better performer outside of the ring. He could elicit real emotion and people like Hogan have gone on record as saying that he brought another level out of them.

Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.

Bad News Gertner
01-26-2017, 08:52 PM
He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

House shows figures

Sepholio
01-26-2017, 08:54 PM
Wish there was an option for Swerve: Both men enter the HoF.

I was leaning towards Taker, but then I remember an argument I made on behalf of Kurt Angle I believe. This is better wrestler. And I don't know one person that can tell me Undertaker is better than Savage in that department and keep a straight face doing it.

Taker is all about the spectacle. Macho Man was the total package. There is honestly nothing more I can say other than to refer to Mr. Drebins post. He hit the nail on the head for me.

If both these men can't go to the HOF then Macho deserves the nods first.

KIRA
01-26-2017, 09:15 PM
So after allowing myself time to weep over the impossible choice I picked The Undertaker.

He in the long run has meant far more to wrestling. His the definition of lightning in a bottle. I've said it before but his gimmick should be laughably stupid. It should've been a gimmick we look back at and cringe. But the man playing the part played it so straight and so godamn well that he has lasted for 20 something yrs. You have to be really fucking good to get something like a wrestling Undertaker to be taken as seriously as it has.

The stuff he did in ring just added to the package, started as basically a Zombie but over time he would bust out tight rope walking and suicide dives over the top rope.

(he has actually shown that he can wrestle on top of all of this)


He is the entire reason I started watching wrestling I can't gush enough.

Rammsteinmad
01-26-2017, 09:17 PM
Undertaker, for pretty much every reason stated previously in this thread.

KIRA
01-26-2017, 09:24 PM
[QUOTE=Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.[/QUOTE]



Savage was a ticking time bomb of emotions

Taker was otherworldly, his character did not lend itself to emotion too well (outside of anger) he has always been presented as stoic

Even his human personas were kinda laid back.

Nicky Fives
01-26-2017, 10:54 PM
Savage by a hair.

DaveWadding
01-26-2017, 11:04 PM
This is a fucking joke right?

The Tower of Power, Too Sweet to be Sour, Funky like a monkey, the sky's the limit and space is the place.


OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Destor
01-26-2017, 11:07 PM
I think you're giving Taker way more credit for the streak than you should. He was booked to win matches. It really had nothing to do with him. If you wanna praise him for the matches in the streak, that's one thing. But "he was booked to win matches" doesn't really speak to how good he was as a wrestler at all.STDesqu post and im not even going to entertain this logic.

Going to have to think about this one...
Savages' run in the WWf was cut short due to Vince feeling he was too old and his Wcw stuff was hindered by Hogan's influence

Taker has had a long career full of memorable moments but i feel that aside from maybe his match with Punk, Taker really should have had his last match with Micheals and the longer his "remains" remain in the WWe the more his legacy will be tarnished.Savages WCW run was hindered by him being washed up, youre trying really hard to act like savage is immune to failure. He peaked and never got hot again in any major way. Anything else is just making excuses.

Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time.

When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!what? No. Austin. Rock. Even Flair. I think you think everyone grew up when you did.

Honestly, would argue this point too. I don't think those Mania matches had a particularly good storyline or build. They were good matches, and the matches themselves, particularly the last one, told a good story, but Mega Powers was THE big story in the company for a full year and was built so well. Savage played his role brilliantly in it too.

Savage was definitely the better performer outside of the ring. He could elicit real emotion and people like Hogan have gone on record as saying that he brought another level out of them.

Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.
I think all these things would completely depend on how old you are. Maybe you werent as a effected by them but a generation of fans were. But to act like people have a flat emotionless reaction to taker is just weird. He is in a very small group that contains Hogan, Rock, Austin, HBM and yes Savage that connected to a huge ammount of people in a unique and profound way. Hes not..... i dunno, artificially over. Savage had a better promo. Sure. Illl give that.

Frank Drebin
01-26-2017, 11:29 PM
No one is going to say Flair unless they're a huge wrestling fan. I'm talking about the average person on the street who may not even watch it. I can see the Rock because of his current level of fame, but at this point he's identified more as an actor than a wrestler.

Undertaker has never transcended the wrestling business unless you count his big "you're a dead man, Ramsey" line from Suburban Commando which is right on par with David Letterman ' s "hey, would you like to buy a monkey?" line from Cabin Boy. Alot more people remember Macho for his long running slim Jim commercials, too.

#1-norm-fan
01-26-2017, 11:48 PM
STDesqu post and im not even going to entertain this logic.

The logic that booking shouldn't factor in to whether someone is a better wrestler than another or not?

How crazy.

#1-norm-fan
01-27-2017, 12:06 AM
If there's a story written for a guy and he takes it, performs the hell out of it every night and makes himself a star, then it's totally valid. You're judging the guys' performance. Obviously that's a good criteria for judging him as a wrestler.

With the streak, Vince told him he was winning and he went out and won. And half the time the match was terrible. Bravo.

Sepholio
01-27-2017, 12:10 AM
Yeah I don't factor wins/losses into my votes very much. That's a by product solely of booking. I think about how good they are at wrestling, how well they act/play their role, how much staying power they have and how entertaining they are in general.

Wins and losses have nothing to do with the wrestler and everything to do with the booker. If wins and losses and streaks carry actual weight then goldberg is the best ever.

Sepholio
01-27-2017, 12:15 AM
I'd also like to take this chance to say that some of the best discussions on these forums take place right here in these threads. These are threads I genuinely look forward to participating in. I get a smile every time there's a new one up. And it's all because of you guys.

And that's how you pander to your audience.

Blonde Moment
01-27-2017, 01:45 AM
Savages WCW run was hindered by him being washed up, youre trying really hard to act like savage is immune to failure. He peaked and never got hot again in any major way. Anything else is just making excuses.



Everyone agrees that Bret Hart wasn't washed up in Wcw but screwed over by shitty booking and power plays by those that had the boss's ear that same reasoning can be said of Savage in WcW. Savage was not onely fighting Hogan for a spot in Wcw but he was fighting for the one bright spot in his life that Hogan was interfering in as well, Miss Elizabeth.

Maluco
01-27-2017, 08:11 AM
I feel like it needs mentioned that Taker without the Deadman gimmick was a bit of a joke. Sure Big Red or whatever was tolerable at best. But Rollin' phase was a joke.

No way a wrestler coming in with either of those gimmicks would have become a main eventer. (See DOA, Chuck Palombo etc...) They were tolerated because he was Taker of Deadman fame.

Reinventing himself is a stretch.

He needed to be the Deadman

Big Vic
01-27-2017, 09:55 AM
Going to have to think about this one...
Savages' run in the WWf was cut short due to Vince feeling he was too old and his Wcw stuff was hindered by Hogan's influence

Taker has had a long career full of memorable moments but i feel that aside from maybe his match with Punk, Taker really should have had his last match with Micheals and the longer his "remains" remain in the WWe the more his legacy will be tarnished.

Judge savage by his TNA run.

Ruien
01-27-2017, 10:07 AM
Leaning more and more to Taker. Just his longevity and huge Mania matches are making me want to go with him.

Maluco
01-27-2017, 10:08 AM
I feel like I have posted way too much in this thread, but I really think Savage deserves this.

Undertaker had great matches against the right opponent, but Savage was a true innovator. The stuff he was doing in the 80's would still hold up today. The same can't be said for constant choke spot Taker of the early 90's. By the time he was having continually great matches and had a true streak, he was wrestling once a year!

Savage was better in the ring, a better "actor", a better promo, had more iconic moments and has been more influential stylistically.

Takers longevity is overstated when his matches were mostly stinkers in the 90's and once a year for the last decade.

Savage is the perfect candidate to go in first this time. A true trailblazer and absolutely iconic in every sense of the word!

Vote Savage!

#1-norm-fan
01-27-2017, 10:11 AM
I'm actually leaning more toward Savage because all those awful Taker matches from the first half+ of his career are coming to mind. There's definitely a "what have you done for me lately?" bias when it comes to Taker.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-27-2017, 10:17 AM
Savage also had longevity. I mean he was wrestling in the 70s and was pretty damned good until around early-mid 1998. There wasn't much of a dip in quality in between.

Gotta love Taker but I had to go with Savage, he is one of the godfathers of wrestling.

Destor
01-27-2017, 10:24 AM
Tied poll, if savage goes in at least he earned it.

Big Vic
01-27-2017, 10:39 AM
Dunno how Taker has 'refreshed' himself, he has had pretty much the same promo for the past 10 years.

Simple Fan
01-27-2017, 10:51 AM
Dunno how Taker has 'refreshed' himself, he has had pretty much the same promo for the past 10 years.

He added a growl to it recently. I had to go with Savage. I like Taker but was more of a fan of Daedman Inc. Undertaker. They are both two of the better characters wrestling has created but Savage just stood out more to me.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-27-2017, 11:04 AM
tbh I'd choose Savage over even Hogan. I'd be wrong, but I'd still do it.

I honestly believe Savage as a character was so much more interesting than pretty much everyone.

Now as a commentator... that's a whole different story, although he was fucking hilarious

Frank Drebin
01-27-2017, 12:35 PM
I'm actually leaning more toward Savage because all those awful Taker matches from the first half+ of his career are coming to mind. There's definitely a "what have you done for me lately?" bias when it comes to Taker.

Are you sure those weren't Kevin Nash matches? Hard to tell the difference.

Destor
01-27-2017, 12:43 PM
Are you sure those weren't Kevin Nash matches? Hard to tell the difference.
Savage sure did have some classics with Crush...or sanything in WCW... or anything in TNA...

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-27-2017, 12:47 PM
his WCW work really fell off after 1998. However, his work with DDP was amazing.

#1-norm-fan
01-27-2017, 12:48 PM
Savage vs Crush at WrestleMania 10 was probably better than most of Taker's WrestleMania matches.

Evil Vito
01-27-2017, 12:53 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maluco
01-27-2017, 12:54 PM
his WCW work really fell off after 1998. However, his work with DDP was amazing.

Yeah, he definitely did have some good matches there. A really good TV match with Austin there too. So it was really just when age caught up with him.

He debuted in 1973 and his work didn't drop off until later WCW, by which time he was 45 and had been wrestling full time for 25 years. Taker doesn't even win the longevity battle when you consider how many of his years have been one and done.

People havent even mentioned his territory days. Granted I haven't seen much, but Gertner or Seth might be able to say more about his time in Memphis, for example.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-27-2017, 12:58 PM
Yeah. I mean it was a clunky match but it was still half decent. The gimmick was fucking ludicrous. If it was just a street fight without that assinine "1 minute to get back to the ring" gimmick it could have been a pretty good match.

Big Vic
01-27-2017, 01:01 PM
After Savage wins rollermacka should be next.

Black Widow
01-27-2017, 01:06 PM
Both are Awesome!

I'll go with Savage though.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-27-2017, 03:33 PM
STDesqu post and im not even going to entertain this logic.

Savages WCW run was hindered by him being washed up, youre trying really hard to act like savage is immune to failure. He peaked and never got hot again in any major way. Anything else is just making excuses.

what? No. Austin. Rock. Even Flair. I think you think everyone grew up when you did.


I think all these things would completely depend on how old you are. Maybe you werent as a effected by them but a generation of fans were. But to act like people have a flat emotionless reaction to taker is just weird. He is in a very small group that contains Hogan, Rock, Austin, HBM and yes Savage that connected to a huge ammount of people in a unique and profound way. Hes not..... i dunno, artificially over. Savage had a better promo. Sure. Illl give that.

You make very good points, but I do think Savage eeks out Taker. In this particular scenario, it really does come down to "whatever floats your boat" as they are both icons.

Taker's bad mania matches are usually due to the fact that he was wrestling complete duds.

Savage after mid 1998 (and yes some rough patches in between) was certainly washed up as fuck, and he kept showing up all roided and desperate.

Taker however has the benefit of working whatever schedule he pleases. Savage didn't, and he was completely unhinged.

Fact is, he was excellent from 1975-1997 (yeah with some dross along the way and the same could be said for Taker's run) with lots of iconic moments and matches. He was performing year round in those times as well. Taker even since 2004 or 2005 kind of just shows up when he wants. Before the one and done mania gigs it's not like he was a full timer.
I just don't think longevity comes into play.

But to say people don't care about Taker is a bit nuts (which we both agree on). He is the "phenom" through and through. This is a very interesting/awesome poll. Very difficult decision.

It's unfortunate that while their paths did cross, they never got to work with one another in their primes. Fuck me that would have been electic.

Savio
01-27-2017, 06:54 PM
Can I vote? sock votes count right?

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-27-2017, 09:38 PM
Mach got great matches out of the Ultimate Warrior but Undertaker and Warrior was cut short because the matches were the drizzling shits. Complete dud should be the Warrior's nickname since he changed his name legally to Warrior before dying.

End of story ohhh yeahhhhhh dig it.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 01:12 AM
Undertaker is overrated as a performer, I'm going to say it. His longevity is amazing and he is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, no doubt, but Randy Savage is an icon that transcends. It's WWE canon that Taker is among the handful of the greatest ever.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-28-2017, 01:25 AM
Mach got great matches out of the Ultimate Warrior but Undertaker and Warrior was cut short because the matches were the drizzling shits. Complete dud should be the Warrior's nickname since he changed his name legally to Warrior before dying.

End of story ohhh yeahhhhhh dig it.

This was early on in Taker's run. He wasn't a rookie, but comparatively he was not there yet.

Blue Demon
01-28-2017, 08:47 AM
Undertaker is one of my favourites, and so is Macho. I went with Taker, with the whole entrance and character thing. It could've been soooo stupid, yet Callaway managed to make it work.

KIRA
01-28-2017, 04:54 PM
I feel like it needs mentioned that Taker without the Deadman gimmick was a bit of a joke. Sure Big Red or whatever was tolerable at best. But Rollin' phase was a joke.

No way a wrestler coming in with either of those gimmicks would have become a main eventer. (See DOA, Chuck Palombo etc...) They were tolerated because he was Taker of Deadman fame.

Reinventing himself is a stretch.

He needed to be the Deadman

Thats where you're wrong, "Big Evil" Taker was great.

KIRA
01-28-2017, 04:57 PM
Undertaker is overrated as a performer, I'm going to say it. His longevity is amazing and he is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, no doubt, but Randy Savage is an icon that transcends. It's WWE canon that Taker is among the handful of the greatest ever.

You mean in the same way they prop up Triple H?

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-28-2017, 05:46 PM
-OOPS- edit

Maluco
01-28-2017, 06:05 PM
Thats where you're wrong, "Big Evil" Taker was great.

I wasn't a fan, it made him "normal", nothing special or memorable about him in that mode.

His best quality IMO is his mystique and aura from his entrance and the theatrics. Big Evil took that was from him. Might as well have been Mean Mark..

In saying that, I love the Undertaker, just really wanted Savage to win this. I think Take is definitely the the conversation for GOAT.

But Savage is Savage

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-28-2017, 06:09 PM
I think he may have just needed a break from being the deadman. He was pretty fucking dire before he left and came back as biker taker. Face Biker taker was brutal though. Was a fan of Big Evil. He was still repping being the deadman so it was aiiite.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 07:01 PM
You mean in the same way they prop up Triple H?

Very similar, except I actually think Triple H is a better wrestler than Undertaker.

That it feels like blasphemy to critically examine the work of The Undertaker goes a long way to highlighting the mystique the company has managed to foster around him. But there were stretches of The Undertaker's career where he didn't draw and his work, frankly, fucking sucked.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 07:03 PM
The transformation in 2000 made sense because everything was more "real" at this point. Taker doing a zombie thing wouldn't have connected in the same way. It was a chance for Mark Callaway to be himself with the volume turned up -- the sort of thing that WWE constantly likes to credit Austin and Rock as being.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-28-2017, 07:08 PM
He kind of lost his way from 1998-2001.

1998 he was injured, and life on the road was wearing him. 1999 was injury plagued and the ministry blew ass.

When he came back as biker taker it SEEMED like he was way into himself as a performer... very, very Hulk Hogan circa 1990s selfish, and he just could not work a decent match or cut a decent promo barring HHH carrying his ass at WM X7. It was only in '02 when he turned heel he found something special and never really lost it. Sure there's the odd clunker with the likes of Big Show and Khali in between but it's pretty consistent from then on in.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 07:54 PM
Was it really? You mentioned Big Show, so I won't harp on about that, but remember how underwhelming his return was in 2004 when he just came back with a new hat? Was the Concrete Crypt Match really consistent? The Casket Match with Mark Henry? Beating Orton at WrestleMania 21? How about that fucking shit series with Orton on SmackDown? Ending CM Punk's awesome heel run on top?

There's a very selective memory applied to The Undertaker's catalogue.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 07:56 PM
And although this is pure speculation, I imagine he was very insecure about himself as a performer during the Invasion, because he knew how dependent his success was on being in the WWF given how much of his aesthetic and presentation was trademarked by Vince. Sure, Mark Callaway could have gone to WCW and tried his luck getting past Hogan, Nash, Goldberg, etc. He was big and he was good and a lot of the Dead Man stuff was pocketed by this point -- but he was in the thick of things when it looked like WCW was going to put his ass out of work. It would have been scary as hell, and I imagine he was a tiny little bit bitter.

Ol Dirty Dastard
01-28-2017, 07:58 PM
Fair enough, I think the good stands out more than the bad.

Maluco
01-28-2017, 08:12 PM
It's just weird that they act nowadays like it never happened, like he was always the Deadman and the phenom and continues to be this mysterious character.

We remember when you came into Limp Bizkit Mark, we remember!

Sixx
01-28-2017, 08:17 PM
gonna go with macho man, solely because i wish undertaker just quit already.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 08:18 PM
Fair enough, I think the good stands out more than the bad.

Yeah, people count the hits and not the misses. And in Taker's defense, the stuff that was good is classic. Some guys go their whole careers without being involved in a classic, and Taker had two at back-to-back WrestleMania events.

Mr. Nerfect
01-28-2017, 08:18 PM
It's just weird that they act nowadays like it never happened, like he was always the Deadman and the phenom and continues to be this mysterious character.

We remember when you came into Limp Bizkit Mark, we remember!

It reminds me of how Rey Mysterio doesn't have a face.

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-29-2017, 05:56 PM
And now the Slickster has a poem for us all...

Randy Savage had this business in his blood. Many called the Poffos outlaws but they couldn't be stopped by the throwing of mud.

Angelo, Randy and Lanny all rose to the occasion. Passion and talent were the sollution to this equation.

With wrestling's greats far too many to name it is very fitting Randy Macho Man Savage is the first to the new TPWW Hall of Fame.

Cool King
01-29-2017, 07:11 PM
Damn, I forgot to vote.

Looking at the result though, my vote wouldn't have made any difference anyway.

DAMN iNATOR
01-29-2017, 10:07 PM
And now the Slickster has a poem for us all...

Randy Savage had this business in his blood. Many called the Poffos outlaws but they couldn't be stopped by the throwing of mud.

Angelo, Randy and Lanny all rose to the occasion. Passion and talent were the sollution to this equation.

With wrestling's greats far too many to name it is very fitting Randy Macho Man Savage is the first to the new TPWW Hall of Fame.

It's no Nipsey Russell but I appreciate the effort. ������

Allow me to respond with a Haiku.

Macho Man, the best
Elbow dropping all our hearts
Legend of a man.

DAMN lNATOR
01-29-2017, 10:08 PM
It's no Nipsey Russell but I appreciate the effort. 👍 👏👏👏

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Destor
01-29-2017, 10:16 PM
28 rounds to get our first HoFer...pretty good run

SlickyTrickyDamon
01-30-2017, 03:36 AM
It's no Nipsey Russell but I appreciate the effort. ������

Allow me to respond with a Haiku.

Macho Man, the best
Elbow dropping all our hearts
Legend of a man.

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