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02-07-2017, 04:45 PM
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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option><option>#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)</option><option>#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)</option><option>#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option></select>

#BROKEN Hasney
02-07-2017, 05:30 PM
Anyone named AJ is better than Roman.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-07-2017, 05:30 PM
Hell, anyone with a 2 initial name starting with A is better. AC Slater would take him.

Black Widow
02-07-2017, 05:31 PM
Roman

Lock Jaw
02-07-2017, 06:09 PM
AJ Lee was pretty freaking sweet from her time with Daniel Bryan all the way to the end of her career.

She could talk, she could get people invested in her, and once she actually started having matches, she had some good ones vs the likes of WWE Paige and Kaitlyn.

Overall I would say that AJ Lee has provided me with more "fond memories"/"moments" than Roman Reigns has.

Maluco
02-07-2017, 06:18 PM
Not really a fan of either, but AJ Lee got the crowd to react as both a heel and a face. She has been involved in memorable angles at a main event level and she was competent in the ring. She also had a unique look and character that she made her own.

While Reigns is arguably better in the ring, he remains awkward as a personality and can't get over as a face. He has had a sustained push for years now and rather than create memorable moments and become a unique personality, he hasn't evolved much at all and has actually ruined more moments than he has been a part of.

Reigns is underrated in the ring for me, and I could see people voting for him on that basis, but his character and persona are awful and for that reason, AJ sneaks it for me

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-07-2017, 06:49 PM
Let's light it up.

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-07-2017, 06:50 PM
Roman

Weren't you AJLees? You traitor!

Wishbone
02-07-2017, 07:29 PM
AJ and it's not even close lol. She was able to break through at a point when women's wrestling was a joke and still standout. Were she around today she'd probably be one of the top competitors in the division and likely the face of one of the brands.

Destor
02-08-2017, 09:51 AM
Squash match :lol:

Ruien
02-08-2017, 09:55 AM
Where the fuck is X Pac?

Ruien
02-08-2017, 09:56 AM
Roman. No way in hell AJ ever has the ability to main event a Mania.

Big Vic
02-08-2017, 10:06 AM
Sexist

Bad News Gertner
02-08-2017, 10:37 AM
AJ Lee looks like a ladyboi and really wasn't very good in the ring. Almost as ugly as Bayley.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-08-2017, 10:44 AM
Roman would kinda look like her if he shaved and lost some weight.

Big Vic
02-08-2017, 10:52 AM
Almost as ugly as Bayley.

Let's not say things we can't take back

Nicky Fives
02-08-2017, 11:12 AM
AJ was good, but she wasn't around long enough.

I'm not a huge fan of Reigns, but he is better than AJ

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-08-2017, 12:56 PM
Only voting against Roman because he's had the benefit of easy competition and AJ did a lot for women's wrestling.

Big Vic
02-08-2017, 02:05 PM
Anyone who votes for Roman a WHITE MALE is sexist, racist and transphobic.

Evil Vito
02-08-2017, 03:18 PM
AJ forever!
Roman never!

Mr. Nerfect
02-08-2017, 06:59 PM
I was ready to say Roman Reigns.

AJ Lee was an excellent second in the Big Show/Daniel Bryan program. She was an excellent "character" outside the ring in the aftermath of all of that stuff too. She really started to lose momentum when she started wrestling.

I was all on-board with her at the time, but in retrospect, her wrestling was pretty shitty. I mean, can anyone remember a great AJ Lee match? Some will blame dance partners, but even the stuff I really wanted to see, like AJ vs. Paige turned out to be quite the flat program.

I think AJ Lee is underrated as a manager/valet -- especially given how few people are given the chance to succeed in that role in the modern era. I think her position as a wrestler is, frankly, overrated. With all that being said, I put things back to my "Who would you rather have on your roster?" test. Right now, I'd probably have to go with AJ Lee, based solely on the charisma factor. Even if she were an announcer or a manager, she'd have more value than Roman Reigns, in my opinion. Again, I expect this to change once they stop working against Reigns and let him play into whatever natural charisma might be laying dormant there, but until he shows that, I think I can make more money with AJ Lee's personality than I can with Reigns' ring work.

I feel like this is a cheat because it is "Better Wrestler" and I am considering using AJ Lee in a non-wrestling role, but it's all part of the wrestling presentation, and it's all about getting over and making money. I could probably build up AJ Lee for a few big matches that would put butts in seats far more than "Here comes Roman Reigns again."

Emperor Smeat
02-08-2017, 08:06 PM
Tough choice only because the lack of direct comparisons and outside of brief periods, WWE being horrible when it comes to handling women's wrestling in general.

Went with AJ mainly for believing she did more with the stuff given to her than Roman and her impact on the Women's division being bigger than Reigns in general. Should have been a no contest in favor of Reigns since he has way more opportunities to succeed but the WWE has botched his booking and development to the point the more they push him, the worse off he ends up becoming.

Mr. Nerfect
02-08-2017, 08:46 PM
I'm not saying this to be snarky, but I genuinely forget about AJ Lee in sort of the same way I forget Randy Orton exists when he's not the focal point of something.

Blue Demon
02-09-2017, 12:01 AM
AJ...because fuck the Roman Reigns

EazyMack
02-09-2017, 12:14 AM
I voted for AJ just to spite Vince. :p

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-09-2017, 12:28 AM
I'm not saying this to be snarky, but I genuinely forget about AJ Lee in sort of the same way I forget Randy Orton exists when he's not the focal point of something.

And you'd remember Roman if he wasn't the focal point?

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-09-2017, 12:33 AM
lol

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-09-2017, 12:33 AM
owned noid

Lock Jaw
02-09-2017, 01:13 AM
I voted for AJ just to spite Vince. :p

He will be SEETHING MAD when he views this thread

Watch out

Mr. Nerfect
02-09-2017, 07:51 AM
And you'd remember Roman if he wasn't the focal point?

Probably not, but he is the focal point, and that's not even my point. My point was exclusively about AJ Lee.

Sepholio
02-09-2017, 11:20 PM
AJ easy. Paige takes credit for being the first in the women's revolution but I've always thought it was AJ. Her involvement with Punk/Cena during their feud was incredible. She literally was able to play a believable insane like I've never seen before. And she was pretty good in the ring too. I wish she'd have never left.

Oh and every time I see her it seems as though my wee wee is suddenly stricken with rigor mortis.

My Final Heaven
02-09-2017, 11:25 PM
Roman. Can't name one memorable move in AJ's moveset, besides that assbackwards Black Widow retardedness that nobody was allowed to counter.

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-09-2017, 11:42 PM
Are you fucking serious? You are voting 2 move Reigns over somebody else's moveset?

My Final Heaven
02-10-2017, 12:29 AM
Seriously, bruh.
Roman's 2 moves are, kayfabe: he fucking punches your head off, & he football tackles the air out of you.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/47/34/3a/47343ade029829d533ad87ad571ff235.jpg

Aj's move, kayfabe:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cUwoYdhjjuM/maxresdefault.jpg
:wtf:

I'm talking objectively here, unpopular as it may be & taking away the "Omg so hotttt, I wanna bone her because of that Pipe Bomb promo she did that one time" thing.

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-10-2017, 12:33 AM
Octopus takes skill

Destor
02-10-2017, 12:41 AM
Octopus takes skill

If you think that punch takes less I've got bad news for you

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-10-2017, 12:47 AM
Yes, I do and you don't have bad news for me because you're wrong

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-10-2017, 01:00 AM
a good punch is hard to find. i agree with destor

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-10-2017, 01:15 AM
Punching is stupid in wrestling. A punch like that that lands and doesn't draw blood is fake as fuck. It's why closed fists are supposed to be illegal.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-10-2017, 01:20 AM
which makes being a good puncher all the more important. Not saying I even like Roman's punches but I'd rather see terry funk or jerry lawler punch than A/j do an octopus

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-10-2017, 02:01 AM
No, a good puncher is irrelevant. If The end result is not a knockout, blood or tooth loss it means nothing.

Bad News Gertner
02-10-2017, 02:11 AM
A good puncher is far from that. I loved Scott Hall's punches. They added to his offence instead of these ugly ass punches nowadays.

Lock Jaw
02-10-2017, 02:32 AM
Just gonna put in that I loved The Octopus/Black Widow. Good move/hold I think...... seemed "deadly"........

Destor
02-10-2017, 08:21 AM
Yes, I do and you don't have bad news for me because you're wrong

Punching is stupid in wrestling. A punch like that that lands and doesn't draw blood is fake as fuck. It's why closed fists are supposed to be illegal.

No im not.

A good safe punch is rare these days. Most guys throw forarms and europeans because punchesnare just so damn hard to get right.

And octopus? Theres nothing to it. It just looks cooler.

Rammsteinmad
02-10-2017, 08:31 AM
Roman Reigns.

There's some good arguments for why either of them should win, but the truth is that, as good as AJ was and as compelling as the Women's Revolution is (or whatever it's called now)... I still don't really care much for women's wrestling.

Don't get me wrong, the women right now are much more entertaining than they've ever been and I don't find myself skipping female matches like I use to, but I'd still go with Reigns on this one. With the right opponent that guy can have some incredible matches.

Ruien
02-10-2017, 08:47 AM
Would love to see STD do a Superman Punch to someone on the top rope like Roman does in the gif.

Maluco
02-10-2017, 08:52 AM
I hate the superman punch tbh. Regardless of skill, it's just a very boring move, that he overuses terribly. I wonder how many superman punches he has hit in the last two years. It is constant and I can't think of a wrestler that hits another move as much as he hits that one.

The spear is also THE most overused move of all time. And it is his main move.

His moveset, for me, is a massive negative, and part of what makes him so cookie cutter. There is nothing unique about Roman Reigns. Maybe that dropkick on the apron?

The fans dislike for him goes way deeper than any Daniel Bryan stuff. Sure, that was the spark, but the reason he is booed soundly is because he is so bland and nowhere near good enough for his place on the card and the forced legacy he is building.

AJ Lee wasn't great, but she got the right reaction and created a unique character for herself. She was real and comfortable in what she was doing at least. That goes a long way for me in deciding who was better.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-10-2017, 09:59 AM
No, a good puncher is irrelevant. If The end result is not a knockout, blood or tooth loss it means nothing.

it's unfortunate that you don't understand wrestling

Destor
02-10-2017, 10:18 AM
I could teach a trainee to do an octopus in..less than a half hour? Within a day I could have them doing at least a dozen moderately complicated transitions into it.


A punch? A good punch, hell a decent punch, will take weeks or months. A great punch could take years to really perfect. Strikes are much more difficult than holds to learn.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-10-2017, 10:23 AM
I was watching the European finals of Bate vs Dunn. Bate cold cocked Dunn, and they did about a billion high octane spots, and that was the one that stuck out to me because it was the best punch I'd seen at least in current day wrestling.

Dest you're hitting the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. When everyone was singing RVDs praises in the late 90s and early 2000s all I could see was his weak punch/forearms and it made him less appealing.

If you have a fantastic punch it's now a seamless part of your offence where guys don't need to bump hard but can sell and tell more of a story.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-10-2017, 10:25 AM
And he's 19.

TBF, he probably did just twat him though. They're both in the British Strong Style stable in PROGRESS after all.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-10-2017, 10:27 AM
And he's 19.

TBF, he probably did just twat him though. They're both in the British Strong Style stable in PROGRESS after all.

he for sure may have just plugged him, but was skilled enough not to really hurt the guy and it still has to LOOK good. I mean Terry Funk's awesome punches according to Mick Foley was just him hammering someone as hard as he could in the forehead.

road doggy dogg
02-10-2017, 10:49 AM
despite this

https://i.redd.it/pq7511msjl2y.jpg

I gotta go with Reigns

Cool King
02-10-2017, 02:45 PM
My vote is for Reigns.

It's well documented here that I've never really been the biggest AJ fan but I do genuinely believe that Reigns is a better wrestler than AJ.

I feel that "current Reigns" has hurt him when it comes to this vote. I feel that if this was asked during Reign's Shield days, this vote would be much closer. Hell, I actually think Reigns would have won.

Reigns has had some pretty good matches that I remember well, whereas with AJ, I really can't remember any of her matches. Reigns has also shown more variety compared to AJ, when it comes to character. I can only think of three for AJ compared to around four or five for Reigns.

I also think Reigns has the better move set. It's been mentioned in this thread, but Reigns' Superman Punch is so much better than AJ's Black Widow. Reigns can really make that punch look legit and make you say "holy shit!" depending on how he hits it. AJ's octopus is nothing really. I can't recall every being surprised by a sudden octopus, whereas I have with a sudden punch.

Overall, Reigns' moveset is more "wrestling moves" whereas AJ's was more "basic kicks and submissions". The problem right now is that Reigns doesn't really get the chance to show off his moveset, much like Cena during his rise to be "face of the company". Heel Reigns really showed off his moveset.

Finally and most importantly, Reigns is the hotter of the two.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 02:20 PM
You guys are dumb as fuck, if I'm being honest.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 02:44 PM
lol well you're a doody head

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 02:46 PM
Can't argue with that.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 02:54 PM
Only voting against Roman because he's had the benefit of easy competition and AJ did a lot for women's wrestling.

Name one thing that she did for women's wrestling, please.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 02:58 PM
She was an interesting character in a time when most of the female characters were piss breaks.

I mean I obviously like someone like Beth Phoenix better, but AJ started a trend of the women being featured more in a more interesting way. Was it perfect? Of course not, it's the WWE, but she definitely didn't just "play it safe" like everyone else. She made a name for herself.

Reigns is better, but I don't really like him. I like AJ.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 02:59 PM
If it was AJ vs Trish Stratus or Mickey James for instance, I'd go with those 2 ladies over her. But I'd take them over Roman as well. As they are both more effective in their roles.

Unfortunately Roman is positioned as top babyface in the company and fails on that front.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:05 PM
Reigns is better

Welcome to the Better Wrestler thread.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:09 PM
If it was AJ vs Trish Stratus or Mickey James for instance, I'd go with those 2 ladies over her. But I'd take them over Roman as well. As they are both more effective in their roles.

Unfortunately Roman is positioned as top babyface in the company and fails on that front.

Here's my thing.

Today's lines aren't as clear cut as they used to be back in the day. When you're a kid, you definitely boo this and you definitely cheer that. We're not kids anymore. People are allowed to have different opinions. Roman is for the kids.

I was going to start going much deeper, but I don't have the energy at the moment, and I think you know what I mean. Also, John Cena.

Bad News Gertner
02-11-2017, 03:18 PM
Where did AJ become this "amazing worker"? She wasn't at all and got overexposed VERY quickly

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:19 PM
Where did AJ become this "amazing worker"? She wasn't at all and got overexposed VERY quickly

I remember literally zero AJ Lee matches where I thought "damn, that was tight".

Reigns has quite the catalogue already.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 03:20 PM
Oh no doubt she wasn't much of a worker. I just liked her more as a character.

Again, I went against my usual criteria where I would have chosen Roman, but he hasn't been put up against any substantial lol.

Bret Hart had to go through Shawn Michaels and Roddy Piper.

Savage had to beat Bret Hart and the Undertaker (and someone else I forget) to progress to hall of fame.

Roman has had Lex Luger, Great Khali and AJ Lee. It was my protest against the system.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:21 PM
Your logic is not great here, bud.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:21 PM
Roman Reigns is better than AJ Lee. That's what I'm looking at here.

Mr. Nerfect
02-11-2017, 03:22 PM
Agree that AJ's in-ring content falls apart when you analyze the body of her work. AJ takes this on charisma.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 03:24 PM
Your logic is not great here, bud.

Well I'm voting on a wrestling forum, so I mean, wtf do you expect?

Vote Roman, nobody's stopping you, you big derp.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:26 PM
The poll is closed, so that's not true. Don't get mad that I am completely correct. It's all good. I'm just talking out loud here.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 03:27 PM
The poll is closed, so that's not true. Don't get mad that I am completely correct. It's all good. I'm just talking out loud here.

Well I mean, I enjoyed AJ Lee more than I do Roman, so you're not right.

Anybody Thrilla
02-11-2017, 03:39 PM
Actually, I am completely correct. Thank you.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-11-2017, 04:49 PM
Actually, I am completely correct. Thank you.

DIE DIE DIE

Lock Jaw
02-11-2017, 11:57 PM
I remember AJ Lee having good matches with WWE Paige and Kaitlyn.

Singles matches wise I remeber Roman Reigns having good matches against Daniel Bryan, AJ Styles, and maybe Cesaro.

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 07:18 AM
So The Shield just wasn't a thing? When Roman got that tag, shit got epic.

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 07:19 AM
Tag match with the Rhodes?

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 07:20 AM
The Rumble everyone WANTED him to win. Not his fault that he didn't then.

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 07:21 AM
Fuck outta here with Paige and Kaitlyn. Y'all have done this man a grave injustice here.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 08:50 AM
So The Shield just wasn't a thing? When Roman got that tag, shit got epic.

It said Roman Reigns, not the third wheel of the shield where he was well protected and didn't spam Superman punches like they were going out of style.

That Rumble against Batista, Heath Slater would have been getting those pops at the end. Much like it's been anyone but Roman for years now, that year was anyone but Batista.

Destor
02-12-2017, 10:09 AM
It said Roman Reigns, not the third wheel of the shield where he was well protected and didn't spam Superman punches like they were going out of style.

That Rumble against Batista, Heath Slater would have been getting those pops at the end. Much like it's been anyone but Roman for years now, that year was anyone but Batista.

Hold the phone here.

You cant disqualify tag wrestling as a rule.. he worked those matches like every one else and he was crazy over when he broke free and started working singles. Everyone wanted him pushed to the moon. It was unanimous.

Dont rewrite history.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 10:22 AM
He was getting alright reactions at best since he was pretty much instantly exposed as a bad script reader "sufferin sukatash tater tot" and while he can wrestle, his character never does.

Bottom line is he could be better, but he's playing a terrible role on a TV show. and that's all it comes down to.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 10:23 AM
hasney has nailed it.

Destor
02-12-2017, 10:53 AM
He was getting alright reactions at best since he was pretty much instantly exposed as a bad script reader "sufferin sukatash tater tot" and while he can wrestle, his character never does.

Bottom line is he could be better, but he's playing a terrible role on a TV show. and that's all it comes down to.

You are rewriting history to match your bias. He was the hottest rising act on the roster. They were right to push him. As soon as the office backed him it stopped being cool. Here we are now.

Ruien
02-12-2017, 11:08 AM
Really do not understand why anyone would pick AJ over Reigns except for personal bias.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 11:09 AM
personal bias.

:cool:

Maluco
02-12-2017, 11:31 AM
I actually am in the opposite camp. Reigns is better in the ring but he has been playing an awful character for years now and his improvement in the ring has come in that same time period.

I am not an AJ fan, but she garnered the appropriate reactions in her role, whether that be as a face or as a heel and was a key character on TV, not just one show, for years. She played her role in both Punk and Bryan's on screen development and was definitely a large part of the evolution of the women in WWE.

Her impact hasn't been massive, but Reigns has been a failure during his whole singles/face run up to this point. Lots of fallen potential in the world of wrestling. Whether it is his fault or not, large sections of the fan base do not like him and even the most positive fan cringed when he came out at 30 in the RR. It was not joy from a fan base that hates him when he was eliminated, it was purely relief that the same mistakes weren't made again.

It's not over anyone's head, no-one is being played...He is just disliked as he is, by the majority of the fan base in the only role he has played since going singles. People don't want to see him win, they don't want to see him lose, they just don't want to see him in his current guise, full stop. This is not the formula for a good wrestler.

He is a natural heel being forcefed to the fan base as a super babyface for years now.

Just because he has had some good matches and a great tag run, doesn't disguise the fact that his character is a mess, and has been a mess, for the majority is his on-screen career, and that is a massive part of what being a better wrestler is.

Destor
02-12-2017, 12:04 PM
If yiu can watch how they booked the rumble and tell me you think reigns is a face i have to seriously question what you know about wrestling.

Destor
02-12-2017, 12:05 PM
Why Reigns is a face: he smiles and doesnt cheat to win

Yeah that doesnt make you a baby

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 12:18 PM
babyface announcers put him over as a babyface. Everything "on paper" is babyface. If they are purposely doing this, it is insanely stupid because it isn't enjoyable.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 12:19 PM
My prediction, if Roman won this round he would have gone against Shawn Stasiak in the next round.

Maluco
02-12-2017, 12:34 PM
If yiu can watch how they booked the rumble and tell me you think reigns is a face i have to seriously question what you know about wrestling.

He is a face. The Rumble might have taken advantage of the reactions he has been getting. It might even be the seeds of a heel turn (in fact it probably is if he is facing Undertaker), but he is a face and has been the entire time he has been a singles guy.

RAW has been based around him wrestling Owens/Jericho in that combination for months now. Owens is a heel who insults the fans and gets cheap wins. Roman is a face who overcomes the odds and overawes the cowardly heel duo. Raw is not booking round heel vs heel for months.

They had also been pairing him with Rollins, who they were actively trying to cement as a face AND they booked him against jobber squasher and monster heel Braun recently too. The same monster that feuded with super happy face, Sami Zayn

I hope this is the start of a heel turn, because I think that would be great for him, but he is a face and has been this whole time.

Maluco
02-12-2017, 12:39 PM
In any respect, he is not garnering heel heat. People are booing him because they are rejecting his character and his position on the card. This is not what a heel does either.

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-12-2017, 01:00 PM
A false photo for Roman Reigns at the start. He was never Big Red Champion.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 01:40 PM
You are rewriting history to match your bias. He was the hottest rising act on the roster. They were right to push him. As soon as the office backed him it stopped being cool. Here we are now.

Lol, I've literally gone through the Network since the Shield split. So MITB, Battleground and SummerSlam are fin, then he gets injured for the rest of the year and does this

https://media.tenor.co/images/ccb80a53f9686eb5b775d8e5f3574c2f/raw

Comes back for the Rumble and gets booed out of the building. So we had 3 months of OK reactions (and wasn't even anywhere near a hot star pop. Summerslam crowd go more nuts for his teammate Ambrose) followed by 2 years of "eh" except for when he snaps at TLC or spears Stephanie. But of course, I'm just revising Romans singles career.

I'm not counting the Shield stuff because hot tag Roman doesn't count. I mean, even then the instruction was to keep him strong. He just has a terrible spin off character from that, he's Joey after Friends.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 01:42 PM
The dumb thing is, he's got bags of charisma when he's not scripted and had a decent mkveset before SUPERMAN PUNCH SPEAR SPEAR SPEAR. But this is just a TV show so you can only judge him on what's presented. #BringBackLeakee

Emperor Smeat
02-12-2017, 02:08 PM
Reigns is suffering the same problem Ryback had when it came to reaching the next level as a star. WWE foolishly rushed his development and skipped the mid-card part of his rise. They had the chance to correct some of the problems with his recent US title reign but only used it as a prop and just kept repeating the same problems instead.

Made his stardom feel a lot more forced than it should have been and WWE being way too stubborn to realize their plans are not working. Also didn't help Reigns' rise occurred at the same time WWE was fighting crowds over who gets top be big stars and doing their best to wreck whoever the crowd hand-picked.

Lock Jaw
02-12-2017, 02:20 PM
AJ Lee I feel had memorable stories/moments with Daniel Bryan, Kane, CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, John Cena, WWE Paige, Kaitlyn, and was great at playing her character, entertaining on the mic and on her frequent guest commentary visits.

Roman Reigns had memorable stories/moments with The Shield. Then once he went singles he really hasn't had any moments that have "stuck with me"..... I know he has had moments, but they are there and then gone in my mind. Whereas I still remember a lot from AJ Lee.

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 03:31 PM
Is being misused Roman's fault?

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 03:55 PM
Is being misused Roman's fault?

We're judging characters on TV, not the people that portray them.

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 04:11 PM
Are they not wrestlers, regardless of what characters they're playing?

Anybody Thrilla
02-12-2017, 04:12 PM
Better wrestler, right? Not better character.

#BROKEN Hasney
02-12-2017, 04:27 PM
Roman Reigns wrestles a boring move-spam style that has bored me to tears these last two and a half years. If that's what's displayed to me, why wouldn't that be what its judged on? I know he can do better, but when he's all over a 3 hour show and making it somehow feel longer each week because of how he's used, I doubt we'll ever see it.

Maluco
02-12-2017, 05:25 PM
Surely the wrestler is the package? And that includes promos, look, character...The whole deal

Wishbone
02-12-2017, 06:08 PM
Are they not wrestlers, regardless of what characters they're playing?

Mr. Thrilla, please enlighten me as to how you come to your conclusions for better wrestler without considering character and onscreen presentation which are literally all we get to see of them. Do you have access to backstage training videos or something? Did you get to watch these guys and gals throughout their training to see exactly how good they are in every aspect even when they haven't shown it in a public space? Are you magic?

Fact is you can only judge a wrestler based on what you've seen of them, and like it or not character and presentation have a HUGE part to play in wrestling. This isn't a sport, it's essentially athletic acting. The parts you play and the public's perception of you are all part of the gig. I mean if Elvis had only sung jingles for breakfast cereal he wouldn't be so well regarded regardless of his actual talent.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 06:09 PM
Better wrestler, right? Not better character.

It's the whole package though. If it was best wrestler, technically, then Dean Malenko would beat Hulk Hogan.

SlickyTrickyDamon
02-12-2017, 06:13 PM
No, Better Superstar would be the package.

"and then the bell had to ring"

AJ was a better character too though.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 06:37 PM
So I guess Dean Malenko and Chris Benoit should win it all

Ruien
02-12-2017, 06:39 PM
F you Dale. Kurt Angle wins it all.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-12-2017, 06:43 PM
okay yeah true

Destor
02-13-2017, 10:12 AM
This should be simple concept: The crowd decides if you're a face or you are a heel. Not the office. They have no control over it they can only try and manipulate you into making them one or the other.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-13-2017, 10:44 AM
But the office should then proceed to book them accordingly.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-13-2017, 10:47 AM
Rocky starts getting booed by the crowd. What do they do? They adjust his character accordingly. He becomes one of the greatest of all time.

Roman starts getting booed for almost 3 years, the office continues to portray him as a super hero because of merch and house shows.

Ol Dirty Dastard
02-13-2017, 10:53 AM
What I'm saying, is you claiming he is heel or babyface is an irrelevant semantical argument. Yeah, the crowd treats him as a heel, but WWE attempt to portray him as a top babyface. He "overcomes the odds" and gets screwed over all the time. Babyface announcers are always talking about what a great guy he is. It'd be different if he did the same act and all of a sudden Saxton and Cole were like "fuck me aren't you sick of this wannabe fonzy character? He does the same damned thing every week and gets booed out of the building" but instead they are like "We hope the heroic Roman Reigns overcomes Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho for the 7000th time".

Big Vic
02-13-2017, 11:15 AM
I'm not certain how much merch Roman is selling do we see a lot of crowd shots with his logo?

Destor
02-13-2017, 11:16 AM
What I'm saying, is you claiming he is heel or babyface is an irrelevant semantical argument. Yeah, the crowd treats him as a heel, but WWE attempt to portray him as a top babyface. He "overcomes the odds" and gets screwed over all the time. Babyface announcers are always talking about what a great guy he is. It'd be different if he did the same act and all of a sudden Saxton and Cole were like "fuck me aren't you sick of this wannabe fonzy character? He does the same damned thing every week and gets booed out of the building" but instead they are like "We hope the heroic Roman Reigns overcomes Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho for the 7000th time".
But that's where his heat comes from. That's the angle. And theyre booking him accordingly. It's their presentation of over packaged baby that gets him heat. But the reactions are manufactured at this point. They're leaning into it. The office is the heel and Reigns is the metophor for the office. They are absolutely aware.


It's a win win senerio. They use Roman to get heat off the smarks while they peddle merch to everyone else who still buys the company line. At the end of the day you're twice as interested in the spoty guys who are "counter culture" (or what you percieve to be counter culture) because they are "overcoming" the office (and their poster boy roman reigns) in true baby face fasion and you're buying their merch in turn. Its meta. The business of the business is the business now.


There is no reason to change course.

Destor
02-13-2017, 11:26 AM
I'm not certain how much merch Roman is selling do we see a lot of crowd shots with his logo?
Reigns is the #2 merch seller but he is a distant 2nd to Cena.

Emperor Smeat
02-13-2017, 02:43 PM
I'm not certain how much merch Roman is selling do we see a lot of crowd shots with his logo?

#2 but like Destor stated its a distant #2 compared to the machine that is Cena. Then again Cena also gets a ton more merch than anyone else which plays a role as well.

Not sure if its still the case but for a while Ambrose was very close to matching Reigns as #2 with way less help from the WWE during the time. Same for house shows when Ambrose lead shows were matching or surpassing Reigns lead shows even with weaker cards or smaller locations. WWE would legit get more back if they put more effort into Ambrose than what they are currently spending and getting in return with Reigns.