WWE's shitty camera work

[Triple A]

Currently 2 threads on Reddit complaining about WWE's horrible camera work:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/75gcaz/raw_spoilers_traditional_wwe_cinematography/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/75in01/no_this_is_traditional_wwe_cinematography/

When I started watching again a couple of years ago, that was one of the first things I noticed... really jarring and annoying. Constant camera cuts, dumb ass abrupt camera movements and zoom-ins, etc... V glad there are a lot of other people who also seem annoyed by it.

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[Triple A]

pretty good njpw camera work from one of those threads

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[Tom Guycott]

I hate the whole "creating action" movements. Movies and TV shows are guilty of this nonsense as well. And over time, it has become a "style". I'm just glad I'm not prone to motion sickness, but it is still annoying as fuck.

I want to see what's going on, not have what's going on interpreted to me by production. If the action isn't spectacular enough to stand on its own, then the performers need to step their game up.

[#1-norm-fan]

They think that zooming in and out real quick will make everything seem unexpected and hectic. WWE is retarded. Probably Kevin Dunn's idea. Trying to hurry up and win an Emmy for directing before Vince dies and he thinks this is the key to getting it.

[Big Vic]

from the original threadIt's not even just the cuts, the Michael Bay SHAKY ACTION CAM is annoying as freeek. They dialled it back a bit at least, but goddamn when it was at its worst. From 1:25:

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, I watched the Shield reuniting video and they were doing this shit while stomping on Braun and fuck me. It's so annoying and unwatchable.

[Big Vic]

http://i.giphy.com/LGg2rkZGgwbMQ.gif

https://i.imgur.com/f4A08tV.gif


Lol:
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[Evil Vito]

Terrible.

[Evil Vito]

I was gonna say "I don't seem to notice it as much as others" and then realize that's because I very often am looking at my phone or computer and just listening in the background because whatever is happening on screen is boring me.

[Droford]

I dont mind the zoom in and out on the Sheamus/Cesaro spot but the stuff from the shield attack on RAW was just unwatchable..

[Stickman]

It has been painful to watch. Shitty camera work then cut to commercial, it's physically hard to watch.

[Triple A]

from the original thread

Oh damn don't remember that thread at all for some reason, despite having posted in it... would have just bumped that... or should merge the threads... but w/e

[Emperor Smeat]

The shaky cam shot is legit one of the worst things about the WWE in recent years.

The shots would look better if they simply toned down on the amount of quick cuts, quick zooms, and shaky cam done. Instead it just comes off as a half-assed attempt at adding a movie feeling to the hits.

[Triple A]

what the fuck

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This clip from SmackDown lasts 34 seconds.<br><br>I counted 32 camera cuts.<br><br>I hate you, Kevin Dunn. <a href="https://t.co/4yyxqt35yG">pic.twitter.com/4yyxqt35yG</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Rich (@AndrewTRich) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewTRich/status/968941863087550467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[SammyG]

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Nicky Fives]

I just saw this on Twitter....It's ridiculous.....I understand the need for this type of filming in a huge brawl, but with only 4 people in the ring, there's no need for this many cuts.....Slowly scroll through 3 cameras (left side of ring, hard cam, right side of ring) focusing more on the hard cam and that's more than enough.

[Stickman]

I actually found the end of Smackdown this week hard to watch because there were way way too many camera cuts. I don't remember it being that bad lately.

[slik]

K Dunn gets worse and worse as time goes on

[Sixx]

K Dunn gets worse and worse as time goes on

All that cam shaking, maybe Dunn's got Parkinson's?

[Emperor Smeat]

All that cam shaking, maybe Dunn's got Parkinson's?
More like he just doesn't care at all and knows he has a job for life as long as Vince is around based on tales from people who worked with Dunn in the past.

Either him or someone else came up with that idea and then he mandated it to be done as much as possible because he's too lazy to think of a new idea or fix it.

[KIRA]

There are student projects with less jump cuts

Shaky cam was the worst thing to befall visual entertainment

The fact that Dunn and the brain trust in the WWE like it is no surprise they tend to love the worst shit.

[owenbrown]

what the fuck

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This clip from SmackDown lasts 34 seconds.<br><br>I counted 32 camera cuts.<br><br>I hate you, Kevin Dunn. <a href="https://t.co/4yyxqt35yG">pic.twitter.com/4yyxqt35yG</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Rich (@AndrewTRich) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewTRich/status/968941863087550467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

someone have a fucking stroke in the production truck?

[owenbrown]

seen this for the first time... REALLY?! Somebody needs to be fired... hopefully Kevin Dunn

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[KIRA]

seen this for the first time... REALLY?! Somebody needs to be fired... hopefully Kevin Dunn

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That was confusing and infuriating unfortunately Dunn was just getting started with his iMOVIE effects suite

Christ.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

If you two hadn't seen the ROCKSTAR shit, you may have missed the hilarious LOCKDOWN during The Usos promo.

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[KIRA]

:nono:

[owenbrown]

If you two hadn't seen the ROCKSTAR shit, you may have missed the hilarious LOCKDOWN during The Usos promo.

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I saw this... I didn't realize Kevin Dunn's shitty graphics disease was heading for Nakamura as well.... and also the fucking selfies gotta go too...

[Rammsteinmad]

Holy fuck at those effects. What is WWE coming to?

[Sting Fan]

I never really noticed, now I cant unsee it.

[Savio]

Saw a video of Tyson and Cesaro commentating on the Chamber and Tyson made fun of the camera work.

[Evil Vito]

Fuck Kevin Dun

[Sixx]

I saw this... I didn't realize Kevin Dunn's shitty graphics disease was heading for Nakamura as well.... and also the fucking selfies gotta go too...

I don't get this post.

[Cool King]

I think what's he's trying to say is that he saw the graphics used during The Uso's promo but he missed the graphics used during Nakamura's entrance, so he didn't know that graphics were used more than once.

He then goes on to say how he dislikes the promos that are done using mobile phones, which I agree with, as they're just atrocious.

[Sixx]

Oh, so they used the same cell door graphics for Nakamura, too?

And what mobile phone promos? Link?

[Cool King]

They had the word "ROCKSTAR" in massive red letters scroll across the screen during his entrance.

Also, these mobile phone promos usually have text appearing all over the screen, for example, the promo would begin with a sudden cut from whatever is happening on screen and we would see a black screen with the wrestler's name in the most basic text, then it would go to the wrestler's mobile phone promo and if someone said "Tonight, I'm gonna beat your ugly face and go on to WrestleMania", the words "beat your ugly face" would appear on screen as the wrestler says it and then the word "WrestleMania" would also appear as the wrestler says that word.

A video of it would be much better than my poor description/example but I can't seem to find any videos of the promos after they've been through WWE editing, so here's a mobile phone promo before WWE editing.

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[Cool King]

In a way, think of it as if a kid used their phone to record their own promo and edited it on Window's Movie Maker before showing it to everyone.

[Cool King]

Actually, I've just found a video with the graphics and stuff.

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[Sixx]

Graphics or not, these are terrible.

[owenbrown]

Oh, so they used the same cell door graphics for Nakamura, too?

And what mobile phone promos? Link?

No just using shitty graphics in general... waiting for the same shit to be used for like say Sasha Banks or Roman Reigns in the future because you know Kevin Dunn can't help himself.

[Sixx]

Jesus Christ, fuck cell phones and all that comes with them.

[Sixx]

Next thing you know they'll be cutting promos using that dog face facebook app.

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[owenbrown]

I swear to god, if I see "IT'S BOSS TIME!" scroll across when Sasha Banks comes out on Monday, I might throw something through my TV.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Fignuts]

Honestly this almost seems like a Vince thing. Like "God damn it, these kids all love this snapchat thing with all the funny graphics! We need to do this in our promos!"

[Big Vic]

Just thought this thread should have this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LMAOOOO LOOK AT THE CAMERA MAN, Kevin Dunn needs to be stopped <a href="https://t.co/zWAKGI6Iss">pic.twitter.com/zWAKGI6Iss</a></p>&mdash; WrestlinGifs (@WrestlinGifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlinGifs/status/1107844137330446336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Camera man in Michael Bay mode.

[xrodmuc316]

Just thought this thread should have this

Lol Drew isn't even selling it, just letting the cameraman do the selling for him

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE is bad television.

[Big Vic]

The camera work when they were fighting was making me sick:

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I am not sure how to embed.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's so fucking bad. It makes me nauseous.

[xrodmuc316]

what the fuck

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This clip from SmackDown lasts 34 seconds.<br><br>I counted 32 camera cuts.<br><br>I hate you, Kevin Dunn. <a href="https://t.co/4yyxqt35yG">pic.twitter.com/4yyxqt35yG</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Rich (@AndrewTRich) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewTRich/status/968941863087550467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think the camera shaking isn't as annoying as this. At least the shitty camera shaking is to create a sense of chaos, and if it only happened once or twice a year, it would serve a purpose.

There is no reason at all for camera cuts, it is not a trick to create a false sense of anything, it is just unnecessary.