Billy Corgan announces NWA World Title Match

[slik]

Good video imo:


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[Mr. Nerfect]

The sound on my computer isn't working, but that old dude looks intense.

[Destor]

Its a really human presentation and thats something that had been driven out of the countries products. I appreciate that. Dont think this match is going to sell any tickets but hopefully the presentation will.

[Droford]

Step 1 Get the belt off the 50+ year old guy no one knows

[Lock Jaw]

Boring video

Old Man vs. Magnus not gonna grab any eyeballs either

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The White Samoa Joe Vs. Magnus.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it Tim Storm? Dude looks fucking sharp in a suit and carries himself like a champion. There's no one like him in wrestling right now. If he can actually work, dude might be a good champion. The gimmick doesn't work if he doesn't have the belt.

I like the idea of a "I'm not here for the frills of sports entertainment -- I got into wrestling and I've worked damn hard to eventually become the best wrestler in the world today."

I don't think it's necessarily going to draw, per se, but there's something in this guy. I fucking love him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He got his start in 1995, before any of this Attitude crap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's legit the oldest champ in history. Being old and gruff and tough is his story. He's only three years older than Minoru Suzuki.

[Tom Guycott]

The sound on my computer isn't working, but that old dude looks intense.

Kinda reminds me of that one human guy from Ren & Stimpy if he were a real-life person. He's had it up to *here* with circus midgets.

[Tom Guycott]

Boring video

Old Man vs. Magnus not gonna grab any eyeballs either

But it's a place to start. True credibility doesn't happen overnight. That is the problem that every iteration of TNA fell for (they kept hitting reset buttons), and the problem with ROH initially.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, you've got to start somewhere and build something up.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, thought I types more there but I guess I didnt.

Magnus in there is a good start because at least some people will recognize his face, but probably not know him by his name.

[Tom Guycott]

Yeah, thought I types more there but I guess I didnt.

Magnus in there is a good start because at least some people will recognize his face, but probably not know him by his name.

But again, that's something that will work itself out in time once folks get used to it.

Say, hypothetically, that sometime in the near future that "Notorious Nic Nemeth" challenges for the NWA title. Everyone who isn't a Kent State alum knows the guy with his current name, and would think it initally sound as weird as Cody-no-surname used to.

[slik]

It's more about the potential / approach they will take.


This video insinuates focusing on wrestling -- while also getting to know the wrestlers better in a less forced way, more natural. Is the current champ a Ric Flair/Harley Race/Dusty Rhodes on the mic - Nope, but they will find one who is eventually. Are there plans to film at CWFH forever - nope, just a stepping stone. If you listen to what Corgan says -- It sounds like he might have a good idea of how to approach this and be different from WWE, but not cringeworthy like TNA.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Pretty good. I thought they were doing their own thing rather than being associated with other companies, but I gotta check out Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. Hear good things about it, plus it now has a Dino Windwood character, so that should be great.

[Tom Guycott]

It's more about the potential / approach they will take.


This video insinuates focusing on wrestling -- while also getting to know the wrestlers better in a less forced way, more natural. Is the current champ a Ric Flair/Harley Race/Dusty Rhodes on the mic - Nope, but they will find one who is eventually. Are there plans to film at CWFH forever - nope, just a stepping stone. If you listen to what Corgan says -- It sounds like he might have a good idea of how to approach this and be different from WWE, but not cringeworthy like TNA.

But it also seemed to be edited in such a way to insinuate, even if just subliminaly, that this Tim "Perfect" Storm is on par with Harley Race in the badassery department. His name sounds a tad generic, but okay... at least it isn't as shit as Flip Gordon. And quite honestly, I'm a bit interested to see what he has to offer, and The Worker Formerly Known As Magnus isn't exactly the worst place to start.

[Danny Electric]

I liked that , loved the subtle comparison between Timd Storm and Harley Race as guys who aren't 'bodybuilders' going against guys with muscles , plays up the Championship fight well.
Also like how Corgan is trying to distance himself slightly with the name change , he seems to have the determination to make this go well .

[Tom Guycott]

That didn't strike me so much as "distance" as much as it seems like "Look, I'm serious about this". Everybody knows "Billy Corgan" as the Smashing Pumpkins guy who, by the way, happens to be a huge wrestling fan. "William Patrick Corgan" is the serious-pants executive captain/coach/owner of the team. As dumb as that may seem, something as simple as his altered name usage can go a long way with trying to get this ship christened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It shows that he's putting a little thought in.

[Maluco]

He has a new album out under this name too, so don't think it has anything to do with wrestling. Maybe just a personal, aging change

[Simple Fan]

Kind if funny that the NWA is working with CWFH who are apart of the United Wrestling Network which is pretty much what the NWA was before Billy Corgan took over. Tim Storm vs Aldis won't turn alot of heads but you have to start somewhere.

[Maluco]

It's a real match though, and they are building up the history between it and the importance and weight of the title. There is a focus and an importance to the match.

Not saying this is going to be amazing, but one of the big reasons I stopped watching WWE was because the titles, and therefore, big matches, meant nothing. Everything is the same and rivalries or just recycled in and out and the titles are just accessories. It is tedious and boring.

If a promotion comes along and builds up their personalities and makes big title matches mean something, the I would definitely be on board

[Destor]

It's a real match though, and they are building up the history between it and the importance and weight of the title. There is a focus and an importance to the match.

Not saying this is going to be amazing, but one of the big reasons I stopped watching WWE was because the titles, and therefore, big matches, meant nothing. Everything is the same and rivalries or just recycled in and out and the titles are just accessories. It is tedious and boring.

If a promotion comes along and builds up their personalities and makes big title matches mean something, the I would definitely be on board
Yeah the direction really speaks to me. The talent will come in time if eyeballs go to the product. There's a vision here though and that is worth being postive about.


Im not sure if there's a market..but I really hope there is.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was thinking "Alright, so the first thing Corgan is gonna do is get the title off the old guy no one knows that the last regime put it on and give it to a younger guy that at least SOME wrestling fans know to start to build credibility."

Now I'm actually kinda intrigued by this Tim Storm guy. More than I am by Magnus.

[Simple Fan]

I was thinking "Alright, so the first thing Corgan is gonna do is get the title off the old guy no one knows that the last regime put it on and give it to a younger guy that at least SOME wrestling fans know to start to build credibility."

Now I'm actually kinda intrigued by this Tim Storm guy. More than I am by Magnus.

Kind of agree, nothing wrong with Magnus but it just seems he was in s similar situation a few years ago as the inaugural GFW Champion. Storm at least has the unknown going for him and could surprise some people.

[Emperor Smeat]

Video was pretty good as an intro to what Corgan wants for the NWA.


Pretty good. I thought they were doing their own thing rather than being associated with other companies, but I gotta check out Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. Hear good things about it, plus it now has a Dino Windwood character, so that should be great.
Probably needs a lot more time to start an actual NWA promotion and this is the easier way for the time being. Also puts a stronger emphasis on the title carrying the NWA legacy instead of multiple promotions.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched it with sound. Yeah, I'm into this. Very simple stuff.

[Simple Fan]

I watched it with sound. Yeah, I'm into this. Very simple stuff.

Which is all it needs to be to start out. Not any real talent out there to make a big splash so starting simple is smart.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Tim Storm is horrendous

[Mr. Nerfect]

Have you seen some of his shit?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

And the result of the match is

Tim Storm retains

[slik]

Tim Storm vs. Hulk Hogan at NWAMania BrotherJackDude

[Jordan]

Horrible indy garbage

[Lock Jaw]

Give the title to Toni Storm instead and I'll watch

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That match was the liquid shits

[#1-norm-fan]

I skipped around and watched the end. It was awkward.

[Bad News Gertner]

Have you seen some of his shit?

Yeah, and shit is very fitting

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's a shame. I like the idea of the oldest champion in history kicking ass.

[slik]

The NWA is Cancelled


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[Bad News Gertner]

He's worth a billion dollars so he's doing something right

[slik]

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[Swiss Ultimate]

I don't know how I feel about that match. It wasn't exciting, but it felt "solid". Like I really like Storm and despite the audio problems and the microscopic audience (with half-hearted "this is awesome" chants) I enjoyed it like a WCW Thunder match.

I see what they're going for though and I hope they get there.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah that match sucked. Tim Storm is very sluggish and I don't know what kind of finish that was. Some of the worst transitions I've seen. Beginning of the match was very flat even for a filling out process, no real momentum either way and then when it didpick up Aldis pulled the knee injury and was back another filling out process. Then I don't think they even played on the knee injury the rest the match.

I get what they were going for and what story they were trying to tell but it wasn't executed well. Trying to present Tim Storm as a throwback to the NWA's heyday won't work. He's nowhere capable of pulling off a technical wrestling match and his comeback had no energy to it. Should have started with him squashing a nobody because that match did the NWA no favors. Actually he should be squshed in his next outing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's worth a billion dollars so he's doing something right

He's about 950 million short.

[#1-norm-fan]

Kinda feels like, while everyone thought they were just trying to rush the title off of the old regime's guy, they're taking their time. Which is a good idea. Magnus isn't exactly a mega-star waiting to be made. Storm's already got the title. You can't erase his reign from the record book. Might as well try to make him look good and then wait til you have "your guy" in place to take it off of him.

*cough*Ryback

[Emperor Smeat]

Maybe if Ryback reduces his asking price since last time it was reported, he wanted around $5000 per show.

[mhirn3]

Maybe if Ryback reduces his asking price since last time it was reported, he wanted around $5000 per show.

Damn. So he has to bring in 500 people extra at $10 for a show that they didn't normally have come see their show.....probably not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe if Ryback reduces his asking price since last time it was reported, he wanted around $5000 per show.

If Emma is worth $2,000, Ryback is worth $20,000.

[Destor]

They need the belt on an unknown. Make their own star.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That's what they have now.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That's what they have now.

McMahon Sheep,,,,,,,,

[#1-norm-fan]

They need the belt on an unknown. Make their own star.

They need eyes on the product first. Can't build your own stars if no one's watching.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They need CM Punk. Corgan has the Chi Town connection. Wish Punk.never got involved w MMA cuz his next fight will be a waste and he will need to lick his wounds for another 5 years before he realized wrestling was his bread and butter.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

They need eyes on the product first. Can't build your own stars if no one's watching.

I think this was a move to say to any existing fans that's he's not trying to build a new TNA like promotion and he's in for the long haul. Championship Wrestling From Hollywood is probably the 4th most watched US promotion with their new deal, so partnering with them while they get their own shit sorted is a good move.

[Destor]

They need eyes on the product first. Can't build your own stars if no one's watching.

And you do that by building up a marketable guy. Feed people thay people are interested in. Either indy darlings or recent cast offs.

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree. But putting the title on someone and THEN trying to build him up is the backwards way of doing it.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's the main reason why WWE's titles have meant shit for the past decade plus.

[#1-norm-fan]

If someone's an unknown right now it's for one of two reasons. They aren't good or they aren't ready. Either way, putting your world title on them would be counterproductive.

[Destor]

If someone's an unknown right now it's for one of two reasons. They aren't good or they aren't ready. Either way, putting your world title on them would be counterproductive.

This thought process essentially assumes the fed is omniscient

[#1-norm-fan]

What? How? In no way does it take omniscience to not put the title on a guy until he's been built and gotten over. It's about as far from assuming the fed is omniscient at you can get.

[Emperor Smeat]

Next NWA title match was announced to be Nick Aldis vs. Tim Storm again.

NWA also currently taking bookings from indies for future NWA title matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think you've both got points. On one hand, I completely get where fan is coming from. People have been conditioned to expect the journey, and it's possible to make the case that it's the cart before the horse. But Destor's got a point in saying that this is just how we've been conditioned by the WWE. There's something charming about them just having this guy who is the guy. That used to be how things were done.

I'm not sure if Tim Storm is that guy. I don't know how many people would be willing to book the NWA World Champion or a 55 year old champion. But he was champion when Corgan took over and they're taking baby steps with it. I dunno, I'm not super-invested but I'm not turned off entirely either. I don't really want them to go with Magnus though. Nothing against him, I just don't see him that guy I really want to go out of my way to watch. I hope Storm beats him again and that sets off Magnus, who turns on Storm and beats him down after the match. Keep them separate for a while and have Storm push for the match. Meanwhile he beats those guys that Destor alluded to.

[Bad News Gertner]

He looks like Arnold Skaaland on the gas

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Tim Storm is going to CZW CAGE OF DEATH with the title.

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[Simple Fan]

He and Aldis were also at House of Hardcore and Tommy Dreamer challenged Storm before Aldis cane out and said he was first and that Storm knew that finish was bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tommy Dreamer is a younger man with more experience. It's actually a really good match...in theory. In execution, I imagine it will be abysmal.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think it'll be neither for the CZW match. They don't have an iPPV deal even these days, but the name is roughly known at least.

Think a Dreamer match will happen at House of Hardcore. They've got that Twitch streaming deal now brother brother, so some good exposure to see it for free.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh yeah, House of Hardcore seems appropriate for the Dreamer match.

[Simple Fan]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Very sweet.

[Tom Guycott]

Something about Tim bothered me, and I couldn't figure out what it is until now.

He reminds me of Mr. Dream. If you don't know who I mean, I'm talking about the last boxer in NES Punch-Out!! post Tyson. The later versions of that game scrubbed the most famous boxer in the world short of Muhammad Ali, and put in a very generic looking white dude. It was still *technically* Mike Tyson in movement and function, but they completely altered the palates and bio.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He reminds me of Samoa Joe for some reason. Something about how he looks in profile, I think.

[Tom Guycott]

I actually was going to say that. He does kinda look like a whitewashed Joe; it's more the facial features (especially the nose) than build, but I felt the Mr. Dream comparison was more apt. He has one of those dubiously ethnic looks that, had he wrestled back in the 50's, he would have been gimmick'd as some sort of Native American in one territory, a Polish powerhouse in another, and possibly an extra large Jew in a third if none of the places overlapped or unless one of those got him super over everywhere... yet still just a random, generic looking white guy at the same time.

[Maluco]

He reminds me of Samoa Joe for some reason. Something about how he looks in profile, I think.

I think it is the movement, hunched at shoulders and then the round face

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I think you might be right about that. Good for the guy. I haven't had to watch his matches yet, so I have nothing but good will towards him right now, haha. I like his presentation as champion.

[Droford]

I'm watching the Tim Storm vs Nick Aldis match that was on Championship Wrestling from Hollywood

[Droford]

And..my satellite just went out. Fuck

[Droford]

That match was awful

[Emperor Smeat]

Nick Aldis defeated Tim Storm to become the new NWA champ at yesterday's CZW event. Crowd hated it because of the bait-and-switch done since it was originally promoted as Tim Storm vs a CZW wrestler to be named at the event. Also hated Aldis as the new champ.

[Anthony Hopkins]

My son Thor would like to challenge Aldis for the NWA Championship.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nick Aldis defeated Tim Storm to become the new NWA champ at yesterday's CZW event. Crowd hated it because of the bait-and-switch done since it was originally promoted as Tim Storm vs a CZW wrestler to be named at the event. Also hated Aldis as the new champ.

It's CZW. I'd imagine they hated having to watch a wrestling match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't really care about Aldis as champion.

[Simple Fan]

He's a big improvement over Storm, should have done it in the first match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mmm, not sure. Like, in terms of raw ability and whatever, maybe, but he's just minus points on interesting for me.

[Simple Fan]

What's interesting about Tim Storm? Have you seen the guy in the ring, anything interesting about him goes out the window once you see that. Aldis at least has some name value and can actually move in the ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's interesting about Tim Storm? Have you seen the guy in the ring, anything interesting about him goes out the window once you see that. Aldis at least has some name value and can actually move in the ring.

No, I haven't, and I might agree then. I think any of the "name" Aldis has is attached to TNA, which is a bit of a wash. I'm not opposed to the belt being taken off Storm, but I'm just not enthused about champion Aldis.

[Simple Fan]

I'd get that if he was going by Magnus but he's been out of TNA for a bit, only showed up to pretty much drop the GFW title this year and was gone. I think he understands the stigma that comes with being associated with that company and has tried to distance himself from it. Still a better option than Tim Storm who can barley move and the only thing interesting about him being s he's old.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, but without that name recognition he doesn't really have the name recognition, you know? I feel like if they wanted a "star," they should go with someone who is actually a star, or someone that hasn't already been tried to turned into a star by two separate promotions (that are invariably linked in people's minds), and didn't work.

It's not his fault, entirely. He's a good talent. He's just not the guy I'd want to be my World Champion, especially right now given his performative development.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Better is subjective. Like, he's better in the ring. But I don't think he's better when you weight the baggage that comes with him.

[Simple Fan]

Agree about the name though and feel like he should go back to Magnus, Impact seems willing after the Hardy deal. Whats the baggage you feel he carries? I get the TNA association but its not like that's a career deterrent. The Dixieland match was catastrophic but his development was pretty good throughout his TNA run I thought. British Invasion wasn't bad and he later was involved in Main Event Mafia with Sting, Joe and Kurt as well. His pursuit of the World Title was poorly handled but really had potential with AJ leaving. I think him leaving and doing the GFW stuff which never got going hurt his image more than TNA ever did.

[Simple Fan]

I also don't think it's about a star. Seems to me Billy is going with a more traditional style and actually trying to make money. He has the experience with TNA and how they try to go after so called stars and I don't think he wants any part of that. I think he's looking long term and Storm seemed to fit what he's looking for until the guy actually got in the ring and couldn't pull off what they were going for. I'm not saying Aldis is great or anything but from what's available I believe he's the NWA's best option at the moment for what they seem to be doing.

[#1-norm-fan]

If he's looking long term, I don't think a guy in his 50's as his champion was ever the plan.

[Simple Fan]

Agree but it was they guy he essentially inherited when he bought the company. Seeing as he wanted to play on the tradition of the NWA an older guy probably made sense to start out but once he seen what he could do in the ring he quickly realized Storm wasn't it. If not I'd assume he'd have Aldis take the title off him in the first match.

[Simple Fan]

Austin Idol is managing Aldis and was with him during the CZW match.

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[Simple Fan]

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[Destor]

Ive enjoyed bruiser jody's stuff for sometime. Hes a great throwback.

[Destor]

Rough around the edges tho

[Destor]

Match was bad ftr. Storms fire is trash

[Mr. Nerfect]

Austin Idol should be the NWA World Champion.

[Simple Fan]

Agree with Destor. I haven't been impressed with anything I've seen from Storm. What they've done with Jocephus has been intriguing and I'm glad he won. I wouldn't mind if he beat Aldis.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Storm is inherently more interesting than half the WWE roster.

[#1-norm-fan]

Austin Idol in his corner gets me on board with Aldis a little bit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Austin Idol in his corner gets me on board with Aldis a little bit.

I'm in that boat too. There's still something incredibly bland about Aldis, but there's nothing wrong with him.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ring announcer for the Empty Arena Match sort of sounded like Aiden English.

[Sixx]

The NWA is Cancelled


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[Fignuts]

Well that may be why Corgan hasn't had a hit in two decades.

[Droford]

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[Droford]

Any man with 2 hands can get a NWA title shot

[Droford]

I'm personally rooting for Tommy Dreamer to beat him in March at one of Dreamers HoH shows even though I know it won't happen.

[slik]

Get him legend James Ellsworth!

[mike adamle]

Would be awesome if Ellsworth could make history and become the NWA World Heavyweight champion.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I remember all those amazing NWA title matches featuring Ric Flair against Randy Mulkey.

What a joke.

[Destor]

Bold move cotton, let's see if it pays off

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ew. I hope the match is stopped because Aldis is at risk for heading to prison for manslaughter.

[Helmsphere]

You wouldn't be saying that if Doug Basham came out of retirement to challenge him.

[Droford]

I'm off the weekend of HoH and its in Philly at the old ECW arena. Hmm

[Tom Guycott]

Any man with 2 hands can get a NWA title shot

Well, it is less restricting than "any man with two legs"... because then we'd get Zach Gowen.

[Droford]

when did he grow a 2nd one

[Mr. Nerfect]

You wouldn't be saying that if Doug Basham came out of retirement to challenge him.

Probably not, because at least Basham could be billed as 6'2, 240lbs.

[slik]

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[Simple Fan]

They're going to do a show in October and crown the NWA National Champion.

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[Jordan]

Hoping that Cody defends the NWA World Heavyweight Championship against Jeff Jarrett.

[Simple Fan]

I could see Flip Gordon winning the NWA National Championship.