Better Wrestler #93

[Destor]

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3 Days
<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option><option>#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)</option><option>#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)</option><option>#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)</option><option>#31. Roman Reigns vs AJ Lee (14-24)</option><option>#32. AJ Lee vs Emma (32-6)</option><option>#33. AJ Lee vs Lita (11-26)</option><option>#34. Lita vs John Morrison (15-22)</option><option> #35. John Morrison vs Ricochet (26-6)</option><option>#36. John Morrison vs Dean Malenko (8-25)</option><option>#37. Dean Malenko vs Perry Saturn (23-10)</option><option>#38. Dean Malenko vs Taz (19-22)</option><option>#39. Taz vs Shane Douglas (28-3)</option><option>#40. Taz vs Raven (15-19)</option><option>#41. Raven vs Bray Wyatt (20-11)</option><option>#42. Raven vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (7-25)</option><option>#43. "Diamond" Dallas Page vs Scott Hall (14-16)</option><option>#44. Scott Hall vs Sid Vicious (29-4)</option><option>#45. Scott Hall vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (26-8)</option><option>#46. Scott Hall vs "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase (13-17)</option><option>#47. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs "Dr. Death" Steve Williams (24-6)</option><option>#48. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs Sting (12-26)</option><option>#49. Sting vs Matt Hardy (26-8)</option><option>#50. Sting vs Edge (13-24)</option><option>#51. Edge vs Kane (20-13)</option><option>#52. Edge vs Dean Ambrose (22-13)</option><option>#53. Edge vs CM Punk (12-24)</option><option>#54. CM Punk vs Rob Van Damn (18-19) </option><option>#55. Rob Van Dam vs Adrian Neville (26-7)</option><option>#56. Rob Van Dam vs Rey Mysterio (10-22)</option><option>#57. Rey Mysterio vs Scott Steiner (18-12)</option><option>#58. Rey Mysterio vs Jeff Hardy (20-15)</option><option>#59. Rey Mysterio vs Brock Lesnar (6-26)</option><option>#60. Brock Lesnar vs John "Bradshaw" Layfield (28-3)</option><option>#61. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton (21-12)</option><option>#62. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (13-17)</option><option> #63. John Cena vs Vince McMahon (18-12)</option><option>#64. John Cena vs Andre The Giant (11-18)</option><option>#65. Andre The Giant vs The Big Show (21-8)</option><option>#66. Andre The Giant vs Sgt. Slaughter (23-5)</option><option>#67. Andre The Giant vs Chris Jericho (15-18)</option><option>#68. Chris Jericho vs Shinsuke Nakamura (23-5)</option><option> #69. Chris Jericho vs Terry Funk (18-19)</option><option>#70. Terry Funk vs Bob Backlund (22-6)</option><option>#71. Terry Funk vs Jerry "The King" Lawler (14-15)</option><option>#72. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Bam Bam Bigelow (19-6)</option><option>#73. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Harley Race (14-11)</option><option>#74. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson (15-20)</option><option>#75. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Austin Ares (26-2)</option><option>#76. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (24-13)</option><option>#77. "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (7-31)</option><option> #78. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mitsuharu Misawa (18-11)</option><option>#79. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho (20-17)</option><option>#80. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs CM Punk (27-5)</option><option>#81. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Hulk Hogan (21-11)</option><option>#82. "Road Warrior" Animal vs "Road Warrior" Hawk (9-22)</option><option>#83. "Road Warrior" Hawk vs D-Von Dudley (20-6)</option><option>#84. "Road Warrior" Hawk vs Bubba Ray Dudley (6-21)</option><option>#85. Bubba Ray Dudley vs X-Pac (8-17)</option><option>#86. 1-2-3 Kid vs "The Road Dogg" Jesse James (29-1)</option><option>#87. Syxx vs Scott "The Flash" Norton (19-13)</option><option>#88. Syxx Pac vs Kevin Nash (7-24)</option><option>#89. Kevin Nash vs Rick Rude (13-18)</option><option>#90. Rick Rude vs Doug Basham (28-5)</option><option> #91. Rick Rude vs Batista (11-18)</option><option>#92. Batista vs The Ultimate Warrior (17-10)</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option><option>#283. Hulk Hogan vs. John Cena (40-21)</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option><option>#16. HBK VS Chris Jericho (20-17)</option></select>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My brain says Bautista. My heart says Benoit. I am following my heart.

[Destor]

I am torn by logic and markdom

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I am torn by logic and markdom

this too.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Benoit may not be the better person, but he was definitely the better wrestler. Fairly easily too.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As far as longterm "mainstream success" Bautista far trumps Benoit. Many title reigns, lots of high profile programs.

But as far as a versatile resume, Benoit by a long shot. Success all over the world, and a WCW and WWE world champ. Better "mechanic" without question.

Bautista had the benefit of being much taller/more marketable, and not brutally murdering his family and committing suicide, cutting his career short.

[Destor]

My hiccup is Benoit will be remembered longer, imo. And not for just the death and such. I think his career stands up better against time and legacy does have value...

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd gladly go back and watch some Benoit matches right now. Couldn't say the same about too many Batista matches.

[Destor]

Exactly. While I def think Bats had some VERY underrated matches most roll their eyes and history will not remember him at all really. Will be like bringing up don muraco now in 20 years... Benoits work will age really well though...

[Destor]

Well has already

[Anybody Thrilla]

In the interest of fairness (even though I've already voted), I'll try to list my favorite Batista matches:

* Undertaker at...23?
* Maybe those Evolution/Shield matches

...what am I leaving out?

[Ruien]

Batista and Cena matches were good.

[Destor]

Eddie v Bats No Mercy...05?

[Destor]

Bats/Taker v Cena/HBM

[Destor]

There was a sretcher match with Michaels at some point...

[Destor]

Others Im sure

[Big Vic]

Batista, due to him not murdering women and children.

[Destor]

Batista, due to him not murdering women and children.
What does thathave to do with wrestling?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah even tho Benoit wasnt a main stay at the top he is a legend. And he was a great main event guy when called onto fit into a slot. To hardcore fans he is a staple of the style we grew up loving and had a bajillion memorable matches.

Bautista was pretty much only a top guy and probably "drew more" which seems tol always be a sticking point for many.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

But even casual fans dont care much about Bats I dont think.

[Sixx]

I always liked Benoit. He seemed like a legit badass, while Batista only seemed roided up.

What Batista's got going for him is the fact he is Drax The Destroyer, but I'm still gonna go with Benoit. I guess mainly because I used to watch more wrestling back when he was around and Batista wasn't.

[Bad News Gertner]

Was never a huge fan of either. Benoit was a bore and Batista never did it for me either. Idk. Batista is my pick because his run as a Main Eventer was miles better than Benoit

[Lock Jaw]

I still have trouble separating the man and the worker, and haven't watched a Benoit match since he killed his family. All my memories and feelings about him seem tainted.

That being said..... logically I know how good he was and how much I used to like him. Batista's main event run was indeed better, and Batista was better on the mic (at least as a heel).

I think end of the day.... it would be very close, but I think I'd pick Batista over Benoit. If I were running a rassling federation, I would want a heel Batista over a face or heel Benoit as my attraction.

So I guess it all comes down to that.

[Maluco]

I am a sucker for guys who were serious about wrestling and made it feel real. The story is all but gone today, but guys like Flair, Hart and HBK made you believe and feel emotions through their stories.

I think Benoit came from that same mould. He didn't have their charisma, but he was such a good worker that he was able to say a million things with just a glance or a reaction to a move. One of the last truly great in ring story tellers imo.

That ability elevates him above Bats for me.

[Black Widow]

Fuck Beniot!

Y'all can be absolutely pathetic and excuse him cause you thought his suplex's were cool.

[Sixx]

Fuck Beniot!

Y'all can be absolutely pathetic and excuse him cause you thought his suplex's were cool.

You realize the thread title is BETTER WRESTLER and not BETTER HUMAN BEING?

[Ruien]

People not wanting to vote fo4 Benoit because he killed his family is a legit gripe. That is serious shit.

[Shisen Kopf]

Benoit is the biggest piece of crap in the history of pro rasslin after that other murderer

[Sixx]

People not wanting to vote fo4 Benoit because he killed his family is a legit gripe. That is serious shit.

Sure, still, calling people pathetic for voting for him is retarded.

[Sixx]

Benoit is the biggest piece of crap in the history of pro rasslin after that other murderer

Come on, Buck Zumhofe wins this.

[Ruien]

Sure, still, calling people pathetic for voting for him is retarded.

True. It goes both ways. I didn't vote for him though because I hope he never wins anything though

[Destor]

People not wanting to vote fo4 Benoit because he killed his family is a legit gripe. That is serious shit.

It is unrelated to the question at hand. If i asked who had the worst mustache in human history hitler should win. If i asked for a short list ofnthe most effective conquerers of all time hitler should make the list.

If i asked who was the most most infamous wrestler of all time benoit should win. If i ask who was a better wrestler benoit or batista benoit should have a fair go because his murder/suicide is off topic.

[Destor]

"Whos tights did you like better? Benoit or Batista?"

"Batista, Benoit is a murderer."


...huh?

[Sixx]

True. It goes both ways. I didn't vote for him though because I hope he never wins anything though

Fair enough. I stated my reasons for voting for him, but I do understand people that don't want to give him a vote because of what he did.

[Sixx]

"Whos tights did you like better? Benoit or Batista?"

"Batista, Benoit is a murderer."


...huh?

DAMN STRAIGHT!

[Savio]

Come on, Buck Zumhofe wins this.
I dunno I would say he takes 2nd.

[Ruien]

It is unrelated to the question at hand. If i asked who had the worst mustache in human history hitler should win. If i asked for a short list ofnthe most effective conquerers of all time hitler should make the list.

If i asked who was the most most infamous wrestler of all time benoit should win. If i ask who was a better wrestler benoit or batista benoit should have a fair go because his murder/suicide is off topic.

I make my own fucking criteria. You want it different then make some rules. Otherwise I am still voting for X Pac over Stone Cold too.

[Sixx]

I make my own fucking criteria. You want it different then make some rules. Otherwise I am still voting for X Pac over Stone Cold too.

Beating Debra isn't as bad as fucking Chyna.

[Sixx]

And recording it.

[Malfeitor]

Benoit.

[Fignuts]

Still only like Batista in movies.

[Destor]

I make my own fucking criteria. You want it different then make some rules. Otherwise I am still voting for X Pac over Stone Cold too.

There are rules. If you read the poll question they should be clear.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Since this isn't better person, I went Benoit.

[Destor]

Good match

[Fignuts]

Destor telling people how they can and can't vote.

This is how it starts, I tells ya!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

fucking fascist dictator

[Shisen Kopf]

"Whos tights did you like better? Benoit or Batista?"

"Batista, Benoit is a murderer."


...huh?

And he had a missing tooth. Fuck Benoit. Asshole.

[Shisen Kopf]

fucking fascist dictator

If you spell Destor backwards and change some of the letters it spells Hitler.

[Blue Demon]

Benoit may not be the better person, but he was definitely the better wrestler. Fairly easily too.

Pretty much this.

[Destor]

Destor telling people how they can and can't vote.

This is how it starts, I tells ya!

fucking fascist dictator
AND DONT FORGET IT

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

#FreeHeyman #NotReally #PleaseDont

[Rammsteinmad]

Despite the circumstances of his death, Chris Benoit is still in my top three wrestlers of all time. He's one of only a few wrestlers who made everything so believable. He made it seem like a legit sport as opposed to entertainment or spotfests.

[DAMN iNATOR]

LOL, Just remembered he beat Orlando Jordan for the US Championship in 25.5 seconds @ SummerSlam 2005, and in the following weeks of SmackDown!, he demonstrated how he could do things like make a cup of coffee, and use the restroom in less time.

[Big Vic]

Or murder his family

[Destor]

That totally took longer than 25.5 seconds.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

that was like a whole weekend, dude.

[Big Vic]

You can't prove me wrong.

[Destor]

Can so


It take 7-14 seconds on average for a human to suffocate AFTER the loss of conciousness and there were THREE suffocations.

[Destor]

Even if benoit was speed running it it would have took a solid 30 seconds

[Destor]

That would be PRETTY CLUTCH

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Plus. It sounded like there was some emotional turmoil etc. Like... there was weird bible shit going down. So he was like... contemplating in between murders/suicides etc.

[Big Vic]

Aha! See this is where you are wrong, I said murder not suicide.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Even if benoit was speed running it it would have took a solid 30 seconds

And no-one who's not a fucking barbarian can go to the bathroom and take the recommended 20 seconds to wash their hands afterwards and not take AT LEAST 45 seconds-1 minute.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

for shame damn inator. Making fun of a brutal murder :nono:

This is why I've been having convos with Triple A about banning you.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Murder is disqualifying. Bluetista wins

[Sixx]

And no-one who's not a fucking barbarian can go to the bathroom and take the recommended 20 seconds to wash their hands afterwards and not take AT LEAST 45 seconds-1 minute.

Do you wash your hands after shitting in the bucket?

[Destor]

Murder is disqualifying. Bluetista wins

Ncxt round will be glorious

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh man.... if Benoit wins here.... the next round is another horrible human.

[#1-norm-fan]

Benoit was overrated. Epitome of a vanilla midget. Batista was a star who hit the main event and never looked back. Benoit's main event run was regrettable even before the whole murder thing.

While Batista had his flaws, if you're starting a company and want to make money and not just appeal to marks, Batista is definitely the guy you go after between the two.

[Sixx]

Oh man.... if Benoit wins here.... the next round is another horrible human.

I nominate Buck Zumhofe

It's up to you to decide which is worse: pedophilia or murder.

[Sepholio]

Benoit VS Lex Luger

[#1-norm-fan]

Ncxt round will be glorious

I see what you're hinting at here.

Swerve. It's Paul Roma.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gotta go Benoit here. Even when talking about "drawing power," did Batista really put asses in seats? They were much better then than they are now, and I remember being enthused about the push and all, but Benoit was a fairly important guy in 2000 and got to headline some PPVs that did really well. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure I would classify Batista as a bigger draw.

[Bad News Gertner]

for shame damn inator. Making fun of a brutal murder :nono:

This is why I've been having convos with Triple A about banning you.

I've heard the scuttlebutt regarding this. Not looking good

[Big Vic]

I would probably say Batista probably put more asses in seats than Benoit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've heard the scuttlebutt regarding this. Not looking good

Trips's patience for Damn's blatant bigotry and lack of basic empathy is wearing thin. I have direct contact with him and he has illustrated this to me on a consistent basis.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I would probably say Batista probably put more asses in seats than Benoit.

I do wonder if Benoit was given as much of a run at the top with as much leeway as Bautista, if we'd be singing the same tune.

[Sixx]

Trips's patience for Damn's blatant bigotry and lack of basic empathy is wearing thin. I have direct contact with him and he has illustrated this to me on a consistent basis.

Yes, Triple H won't stand for this!

[Shisen Kopf]

Benoit VS Lex Luger

They should have been a tag team called Murders Row, managed by Snuka

[Shisen Kopf]

Yes, Triple H won't stand for this!

Leave damn alone, the true board TERRORIST is that guy who was the worst mod ever. Think he is of some ethnic persuasion. He needs to go.

[Shisen Kopf]

Can't believe Benoit is winning this. So disgusted with the rasslin forum right now. I feel like ABT like every day.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You can thank Damninator's callous comments for the state of this thread.

[Sixx]

Can't believe Benoit is winning this. So disgusted with the rasslin forum right now. I feel like ABT like every day.

I'ma put you in the Crippler Crossface, son.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Which is the best submission to put on friends?

Boston Crab/lion tamer

Sharpshooter

Figure Four leg lock

Crippler Crossface

?????

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And by friends I mean your wives/girlfriends/children when they get out of line.

[Sixx]

Which is the best submission to put on friends?

Boston Crab/lion tamer

Sharpshooter

Figure Four leg lock

Crippler Crossface

?????

I always went with the sharpshooter. I could never perform a figure 4. Somehow I just don't know how exactly.

[Shisen Kopf]

Which is the best submission to put on friends?

Boston Crab/lion tamer

Sharpshooter

Figure Four leg lock

Crippler Crossface

?????

Camel Clutch, that hurts bad

[Evil Vito]

Fuck Chris Benoit for what he did of course, but to be fair he was miles and miles better in the ring. I've always had a soft spot for Batista but I can't in any way say objectively that he's a better wrestler than Benoit.

[Shisen Kopf]

TERRORIST

[Bad News Gertner]

Million Dollar Dream

[#1-norm-fan]

Gotta go Benoit here. Even when talking about "drawing power," did Batista really put asses in seats? They were much better then than they are now, and I remember being enthused about the push and all, but Benoit was a fairly important guy in 2000 and got to headline some PPVs that did really well. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure I would classify Batista as a bigger draw.

Batista didn't set the world on fire but I can't think of a single way that you could argue he wasn't a bigger draw than Benoit. Numbers were down across the board as soon as Benoit won the title and got better when they put it on Batista.

Batista's WrestleMania coronation drew more than Benoit's the year before.

The buyrate for the Backlash PPV with Benoit making his first defense dipped from the previous year and then rose back up the next year with Batista making his first defense.

Raw ratings improved slightly with Batista as champion over Benoit.

Everything points to Batista being a bigger draw.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You can't prove me wrong.

Can so


It take 7-14 seconds on average for a human to suffocate AFTER the loss of conciousness and there were THREE suffocations.

You remember that "PROVE ME WRONG" was a Benoit catchphrase, yes?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Benoit was overrated. Epitome of a vanilla midget. Batista was a star who hit the main event and never looked back. Benoit's main event run was regrettable even before the whole murder thing.

While Batista had his flaws, if you're starting a company and want to make money and not just appeal to marks, Batista is definitely the guy you go after between the two.

This is sound, and if I wasn't such a mark, I would think this way.

But I am.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[Destor]

If benoit not been such a good wrestler kid might have gotten away

[Emperor Smeat]

Went with Batista mainly due to how bad Benoit wrecked his legacy because of the murder-suicide.

Benoit was better in terms of in-rings skills and Batista better in terms of star power and charisma/promos. Both had some really good moments during their careers but Benoit's always has that lingering cloud with his making it uneasy to enjoy watching them again.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Benoit may not have been a draw, but you put him anywhere on the card and he has the best match on the show, and the crowd that's there may not be into him initially, but more often than not they'll respect him by the end.

I'd choose Bautista in my main event before Benoit, but I'd watch a million Benoit matches before a Bautista one.

[Bad News Gertner]

I choose Jose Bautista as well. Great player.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Joey Bats follows me on Twitter. Still voted for Benoit, though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I choose Jose Bautista as well. Great player.

Think Daves non kayfabe name is Bautista. Jerk.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why are you using his non-kayfabe name in a thread about wrestling? You think you impress The Rock?

[Bad News Gertner]

Really hope Batista goes up again Terry Bollea next round

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:rant:

[Bad News Gertner]

Haha

[Mr. Nerfect]

Batista didn't set the world on fire but I can't think of a single way that you could argue he wasn't a bigger draw than Benoit. Numbers were down across the board as soon as Benoit won the title and got better when they put it on Batista.

Batista's WrestleMania coronation drew more than Benoit's the year before.

The buyrate for the Backlash PPV with Benoit making his first defense dipped from the previous year and then rose back up the next year with Batista making his first defense.

Raw ratings improved slightly with Batista as champion over Benoit.

Everything points to Batista being a bigger draw.

I wasn't thinking about Benoit's World Heavyweight Title run, to be honest. I was thinking about how many more people gave a fuck about Benoit in WCW/WWF from about 1996-2000 than have ever watched a Batista match. Benoit may not have been the top guy, but he's always been significant and heavily featured, and he was actually quite important during the WWF's 2000. It's kind of swept under due to the vanilla midget/size/lack of personality stuff that was always an excuse to keep him out of the top role.

I think you can argue about whether or not that proved to be accurate or whether it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I was basically thinking about how more important Benoit is overall, especially when you add in stuff like his skill, his classic matches, his legacy, etc.

[#1-norm-fan]

Benoit may not have been a draw, but you put him anywhere on the card and he has the best match on the show, and the crowd that's there may not be into him initially, but more often than not they'll respect him by the end.

I'd choose Bautista in my main event before Benoit, but I'd watch a million Benoit matches before a Bautista one.

This goes back to the "What was the best match of WrestleMania III?" thing I've heard Al Snow talk about. Most would say Steamboat vs Savage. If you could have ONLY had one match between Steamboat vs Savage and Hogan vs Andre on that card though, Steamboat vs Savage can fuck right off.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was thinking about how many more people gave a fuck about Benoit in WCW/WWF from about 1996-2000 than have ever watched a Batista match.


Well you could say that about any upper midcarder from that time. There were way more people watching wrestling in general. Benoit was never a focal point while business was booming though. He was a side attraction. Not the guy you depend on to sell tickets. Like I said, Batista wasn't a huge star either but when put in the exact same position a year apart, Benoit brought business down and then Batista brought it back up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This goes back to the "What was the best match of WrestleMania III?" thing I've heard Al Snow talk about. Most would say Steamboat vs Savage. If you could have ONLY had one match between Steamboat vs Savage and Hogan vs Andre on that card though, Steamboat vs Savage can fuck right off.

But if I'm basing my views of wrestling on what Al Snow thinks that means I give a shit about some jobber.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well you could say that about any upper midcarder from that time. There were way more people watching wrestling in general. Benoit was never a focal point while business was booming though. He was a side attraction. Not the guy you depend on to sell tickets. Like I said, Batista wasn't a huge star either but when put in the exact same position a year apart, Benoit brought business down and then Batista brought it back up.

What you're saying is strictly true, but I just want to challenge perspective on it a bit:

* In 1995 Benoit was part of the classic Super Juniors tournament, which will live on in history as a high point in a very shitty year, and an event that changed the direction of wrestling. From that moment on, smaller guys had a place in the business as attractions. "Side attractions?" Sure. I'll hear that, but when it came to ordering a PPV, you might look at the main event and think "Hmm, maybe," but then you'd see a Benoit vs. someone match and think "That might be worth it," and it's the garnish on the steak in a way that actually helps sell. In my opinion. You can disagree with that, and it's hard to prove, per se.

* In 1996, Benoit and Sullivan had that great match around the time the nWo were coming up. WCW was the nWo angle and then you had some great wrestling to supplement it. Extremely important, and Benoit was crucial to that; not just specifically a benefactor of wrestling getting hot. You had hot wrestling, and then you had Benoit helping to help keep those eyeballs hooked.

* Benoit was an important player in WCW. There was a definite ceiling imposed, but he even got to the World Title. He was this feeling of "potential" that was always there and helped get past some of the turgid shit. He did some great stuff with Saturn, Raven, the Horsemen, etc. Not A1 level stuff, but arguably significant. He was a talking point for anyone watching wrestling. He wasn't just a "good little hand."

* When the Radicalz jumped in 2000, people forget how important Benoit was in there. Triple H was obviously the top heel, and he wasn't letting that spot go, but Benoit helped contribute to same insanely hot stuff on Raw, during the WWF's best year, and he was in a few PPV main events that did quite well that year. Rock vs. Benoit at Fully Loaded drew about as much as the Rock/Hunter Iron Man Match did. Granted, Fully Loaded was kind of a "three-pronged" show with Taker/Angle and Triple H/Jericho too, but this idea that it was all Rock and Triple H is a bit of a WWE revisionist myth. Benoit was in the Unforgiven main against Rock, Undertaker and Kane too, and that got over 600,000 buys, which is phenomenal for a PPV of that stature. Yeah, Triple H/Angle was a big program for that too (and burst the bubble a bit with the disappointing ending), but Benoit was up there in the upper mid-card/main event delivering in spades. Rock was obviously 2000 MVP, and you also had Cactus Jack, Triple H, Undertaker's return, Austin's presence looming, Jericho and the rise of Angle, the crazy Ladder Match triangles and even Rikishi being fun. But Benoit is kind of unfairly left out at as a significant player in 2000. Truthfully, probably the most "underrated" guy in 2000, just based on what he actually did, how effective it actually was, and how it's remembered as mid-card stuff when it really wasn't, by and large.

* Benoit/Angle was such a great WWE Title match at the 2003 Royal Rumble, and while it's obviously the Rumble, and the title match "doesn't matter," the match itself was phenomenal and changed the perspective on Benoit. He went from being potential to being a guy that everybody wanted to root for. After Raw had had a turgid year, eyes were on SmackDown, and the show got 585,000 buys, which was lower than the previous two years, but actually better than the 2000 Rumble, and marginally better than the one Batista won.

* Yes, you get to WrestleMania XX vs. WrestleMania 21 and the Backlash PPVs, and you've got a direct comparison that favors Batista. I'm not going to argue against that. But also consider the feeling of each Mania. Yes, XX was "special," and did have huge matches, but going into WrestleMania 21, things felt more "positive." There were obviously going to be crowning moments. The end of Triple H, the rise of Cena, the Money in the Bank had me excited (which Benoit was part of), and Michaels/Angle was so much fucking fun and shat on the build for anything heading into WrestleMania XX. The build for Mania 21 was just way better, in my opinion. Even the promotion for 21 felt "energized." XX was "the 20th WrestleMania." Oh, and here are some big matches, but they've been quite haphazardly thrown together, and also Brock and Goldberg are both probably leaving. Am I making excuses? Yes. But there was definitely a different feeling going in to WrestleMania XX than there was WrestleMania 21. One felt like things would emerge from it, whereas the other felt like things were wrapping up, in a sense.

* When it comes to the Backlash stuff, one was Batista vs. Triple H, in a follow-up grudge fight to a cathartic changing of the guard, and the other one was Benoit vs. Kane in the semi-main. Just throwing that out there.

Batista is definitely a success. This is actually a toughie. I was as excited as anybody about him kicking Triple H's ass at Mania 21. I was worried that he wouldn't have legs, and he did get stale, but he was a top guy for as long as he was around, and did spend several years at the top. Not all of them raging successes, but easily up there with Cena in terms of his importance. He was the A2 guy. That's a great position and when he turned heel, it reinvigorated him just as he was leaving. Maybe he could have done even more? A few more years at the top holding fort and there might be more stats to support him. But I think for him to beat Benoit, those spikes need to be much higher. He's not exactly Goldberg doing 9.buttfuck ratings and drawing massive PPVs when no one else could. He was just a WWE style guy that got a good push, it worked, he was a player, then he went away.

Now, if Batista came back for that speculated full-time run? Given his position in Hollywood now and the fact that it'd be nice to have a fucking man in the house, I can see him actually being hot. Like, he immediately jumps into that league with Brock, Cena and Reigns of guys that people are actually paying attention to in the casual sense. With the right push against the right opponent, him busting his ass, a successful title reign that helps things feel credible and fresh? Those are more achievements into the portfolio that strengthen an already great case for Batista. But there are two ways of looking at it right now:

1. Batista was a legit WWE main eventer, and whenever that happens, no matter how slumped business is, you've got consider those points ahead and he was a "star," whereas Benoit was a mid-carder who got the belt and it didn't exactly work out.

2. Benoit actually had a very significant mainstream North American wrestling career where he mattered far more than a lot of people, looking to protect their own significance and ego, give him credit for, and while he was never the A1 guy, and maybe couldn't have ever been, was far more important in the overall presentation and success of WCW during its upswell and the WWF during its hottest year. Luck? Could anyone have done? Probably not, really, because Benoit was actually a really, really great professional wrestler, and someone that helped bounce out the entire product by being pavlova while everyone else was steak.

When it comes to "Better Wrestler," I think that drawing power is absolutely crucial. But Benoit's New Japan stuff is going to have significance 50 years from now, whereas Batista's WrestleMania 21 win might even be seen as trivial. Benoit had a long career of not just being a good mid-card wrestler, but arguably the best technical wrestler in the world and someone that you always had to keep an eye on because he could change the game at any point in time. I think "Better Wrestler" is subjective enough to take that potential, history and perspective into equation.

I'm not just saying Benoit because his matches were more to my cup of tea and he was around for a long time and got the World Title twice and that closes enough of a gap with a real star. I'm saying that Benoit was really a generation's star through performance. And ultimately, when I'm deciding this thing, I look at who I would rather want on my roster. And when it comes to a choice between Hulk Hogan and Chris Benoit, I obviously go Hogan, because I want money and attention. But when it comes to Batista and Benoit? I'm seriously thinking I'd go with Benoit, because he's not going to get me more attention than Batista out the gate, per se, but I'm going to choose other powerhouses or draws over Batista, for example (say, Brock, Cena, Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc.), so Batista's not the best in that role anyway, so I'm really casting an A2 or B1 role, and I'm going Benoit in that position, because of his skill, legacy, history, and proficiency in that station.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TL;DR:

* I think Benoit was a better upper mid-card wrestler/occasional main eventer over the course of a significant career than Batista was as a main event guy over a shorter and less...remarkable career?

Batista may have had better spikes, but Benoit was dependable even during high-wire situations, despite what people think about him being "vanilla." And I don't think Rock vs. Batista necessarily draws more than Rock vs. Benoit. But I do think that Batista vs. Jerry Buttfuck is going to draw more than Benoit vs. Jerry Buttfuck. Does that make sense? Batista is inherently a bigger star, but Benoit can work with guys who draw money as well as Batista can, when he stops mattering to a certain point.

[#1-norm-fan]

I will say that if Benoit was never over-pushed and just remained the midcard title workhorse I probably wouldn't be as down on him but it's tough to ignore. If we're putting them in perspective though then yes, Benoit was better at his role than Batista was at his. I just don't think his role was ever as big of a deal. I forgot about the stuff in Japan. I think you overrate him elsewhere though. I don't think he was as important to WCW during the NWO run as you remember. Even in keeping eyes on the product, he was just one of many guys putting on quality matches on the undercard and the importance of those matches in making people stick around is debatable. I also remember thinking the feud with Rock for the title had him seeming out of place. It was really a Rock vs Shane feud with Benoit playing the part of the hired gun. Except he didn't have the intimidation factor to pull it off and it was odd.

Also the Backlash main event for Benoit was a WrestleMania re-match, too. The Kane stuff came later.

[Destor]

Noids argument is pretty strong

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm also of the mindset that the ability to put on a good technical wrestling match is completely useless if you don't have an engaging personality/character/aura about you that makes me invested in the outcome. So regardless of where it is on the card, I'll take the guy with the personality and sub-par wrestling ability any day.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noids argument is pretty strong

It's the "good B player vs the average A player" argument that's come up before in these. I can see where he's coming from but, in this situation, the fact that they were put in identical positions within a year of each other makes it tough not to compare when judging who did their job better.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Which is the best submission to put on friends?

Boston Crab/lion tamer

Sharpshooter

Figure Four leg lock

Crippler Crossface

?????

Crossface Chicken Wing/Tazzmission/Asuka Lock

[Mr. Nerfect]

I will say that if Benoit was never over-pushed and just remained the midcard title workhorse I probably wouldn't be as down on him but it's tough to ignore. If we're putting them in perspective though then yes, Benoit was better at his role than Batista was at his. I just don't think his role was ever as big of a deal. I forgot about the stuff in Japan. I think you overrate him elsewhere though. I don't think he was as important to WCW during the NWO run as you remember. Even in keeping eyes on the product, he was just one of many guys putting on quality matches on the undercard and the importance of those matches in making people stick around is debatable. I also remember thinking the feud with Rock for the title had him seeming out of place. It was really a Rock vs Shane feud with Benoit playing the part of the hired gun. Except he didn't have the intimidation factor to pull it off and it was odd.

Also the Backlash main event for Benoit was a WrestleMania re-match, too. The Kane stuff came later.

You raise a good point with that over-pushed thing, but just to flip it, maybe a bigger problem is that he wasn't pushed harder sooner? By the time you get to WrestleMania XX, Benoit has already been, somewhat, typecast as one of those WWE mid-carders, and it did kind of feel like an honorary mention win. A lifetime achievement award, if you will. When Batista ascends, he's relatively young in the business (although not in age), is fresh, and is kind of a "a new hope."

The way WWE presents stars is important too, because Benoit was never "theirs," whereas Batista feels like one of those "WWE prototype" wrestlers, and that is always going to skewer how fans who get used to how the WWE presents people, even if it's not always strictly true. Benoit doesn't feel like a guy they were ever behind, so it's easier to just throw him in the "didn't draw" basket, when he actually never really failed. People kind of bought him at whatever level, even if they did buy into Batista more when it happened, and it felt like a better "WWE fit" instead of "bizarro land."

I appreciate that I am somewhat arguing hypotheticals here. The mere suggestion that Benoit could have been more obviously means that he wasn't. But if there were certain people willing to stay out of his way a bit, and they weren't so insecure about his talking (which did suck, although he did have charisma), then maybe he actually means a lot more with a harder push, and then when you need to push him hard, it's not weighted by years seeing him with soft pushes.

I may not be making myself completely clear on the WCW/WWF stuff: I get that it was never truly about him, but he always felt like that rising star, or an emerging talent, or one of the best in the world. It's not really like the mid-carders today where you kind of think "Sami Zayn could be a lot more." Benoit felt like he champing at the bit almost every time he went out there. Upper mid-card programs that stole the show, put into top factions, depended on to be that wrestling heel (or babyface) that kind of floats the show.

He never really seemed like a turn-off until they actually decided to change gears with him in the twilight of his career, and even then, the different wasn't exactly gangbusters. If we were talking the drawing potential between Benoit and say, Ultimate Warrior or Goldberg, then I'd have a lot more trouble making this argument. The gap is too wide to ignore. But with Benoit and Batista, it's more "the journey was more important for Benoit, so the destination was slightly more underwhelming than it was for Batista." But I do find it hard to say that Batista meant more for wrestling, because odd-feeling or not, Benoit was involved in significant stuff at a time when it was making huge money, whereas Batista was involved in more significant stuff at a time that's probably not going to be remembered as golden years.

In many ways, the argument for Batista is kind of based on potential too, because he looked like he could have been a huge conventional wrestling star, but he really just ended up being a WWE Main Eventer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's the "good B player vs the average A player" argument that's come up before in these. I can see where he's coming from but, in this situation, the fact that they were put in identical positions within a year of each other makes it tough not to compare when judging who did their job better.

I get where you're coming from, and I think we see each other's points, but I think Benoit was a better B-player than that, and it was pretty apparent he could play A at certain times. That's where we're really disagreeing, and it just comes down to your opinion of Benoit.

[Fignuts]

Fuck the draw, I'm picking who's better.

[Helmsphere]

Batista didn't set the world on fire but I can't think of a single way that you could argue he wasn't a bigger draw than Benoit. Numbers were down across the board as soon as Benoit won the title and got better when they put it on Batista.

Batista's WrestleMania coronation drew more than Benoit's the year before.

The buyrate for the Backlash PPV with Benoit making his first defense dipped from the previous year and then rose back up the next year with Batista making his first defense.

Raw ratings improved slightly with Batista as champion over Benoit.

Everything points to Batista being a bigger draw.

I refuse to use this as evidence. Raw ratings don't matter because Batista was on Smackdown, Show me the smackdown numbers

[Shisen Kopf]

Anyone who likes Chris Benoit should be BANNED

[Evil Vito]

I refuse to use this as evidence. Raw ratings don't matter because Batista was on Smackdown, Show me the smackdown numbers

Batista was on Raw through winning his first World Title at Mania. He got drafted to SmackDown sometime during summer 2005 and brought the World Title with him with Cena and the WWE Title going over to Raw in that same draft.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, he was on Raw for months as champion. Nearly as long as Benoit was as champion. It's an exact comparison. And during that time, ratings went up after falling with Benoit the previous year.

[Destor]

It would be had benoit main evented while he was champion.Sadly as is the norm now the title was midcard for 100% of that reign. Benoit never had the show built around him for even a second.


Chris Benoit vs Eugene or Kane were hardly contenders. The main events were H and HBM.

[#1-norm-fan]

The first PPV main event after he won the title was against HBK and HHH again.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And it was more about the HHH vs HBK feud

[#1-norm-fan]

It was the main event. And Benoit was heavily involved in the feud.

If you wanna give him a pass once he started feuding with Kane, that's fine. If you're arguing that the build to Backlash and the eventual match shouldn't count because it wasn't about him, you're looking for excuses.

[Destor]

Im not talking about one show im talking about his whole run. He mained one ppv. (Unless he and Orton was main...was it?) The mania rematch. He wasnt the focus of raw either. To say he was is dishonest.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, you did say the title was midcard for "100% of the reign".

I already said if you wanna ignore his reign once he started feuding with Kane, that's fine. There's still a direct comparison before that where Batista brought ratings up while Benoit was bringing them down a year earlier in the same situation. To ignore that because he went on to EVENTUALLY not defend the title in the main event is looking for an excuse.

[Destor]

34 Days.

Thats the entire span of him as a maineventer. Your want to back an argument based on 34 days go ahead but its dishonest and everyone knows it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Read the original post. I'm basing it on more than just the build from WrestleMania to Backlash. Both men were in identical positions that entire time. From the Rumble on. One was working to some extent. One was not at all. The only reason the post-WrestleMania thing came up as a bigger deal than the rest is because Helmsphere said the ratings don't count because Batista was on Smackdown. He wasn't. So they do. Also, that "100% of his reign was midcard" is blatantly dishonest and everyone can see it. So that was probably a bad word to use as a knock on me...

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was the main event. And Benoit was heavily involved in the feud.

If you wanna give him a pass once he started feuding with Kane, that's fine. If you're arguing that the build to Backlash and the eventual match shouldn't count because it wasn't about him, you're looking for excuses.

There's a big difference between Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels w/ Chris Benoit and Batista vs. Triple H in the continuously destruction of The Empire. Backlash '05 also had Hogan & HBK teaming up -- a very clear semi-main.

You can say they're excuses, but that can you can make excuses is kind of the point. There's not that much difference between them. In fact, the source that I'm using has both the 2004 and 2005 buys as almost exactly the same (320,000). And Vengeance 2005 was also treated as a bit of a super-card, with Angle vs. Michaels and Cena defending the WWE Title as well.

I think you've still got a long way to go before you prove that Batista is a significantly bigger draw.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Speaking of SmackDown ratings, I did take a little peak at the SmackDown ratings after Batista jumped over from Raw to SmackDown. It actually had negligible effect, and ratings actually went slightly down. Batista joined basically exactly half-way through the year, which is convenient. The first six months of SmackDown averaged 3.31. After Batista jumped over, they averaged 2.78.

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn't argue he was a significantly bigger draw. The whole discussion literally started with me acknowledging that Batista wasn't a huge draw but he was bigger than Benoit. Arguing the storyline is subjective, too. The fact is Benoit made Triple H and HBK tap clean over the span of a month on PPV. After winning the rumble from the #1 spot. That's not exactly making a guy an afterthought. He was booked strong as fuck.

As for Smackdown ratings, I don't see what that has to do with the discussion. Ratings probably slipped on Smackdown because they went from Cena to Batista. And Cena was a bigger draw/had more appeal than Batista. Again, I never argued that Batista was a huge draw.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The period between the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania was shorter than it was for Benoit, but he averaged 3.81 on his Mania chase. Batista was at a 3.9. I don't know if you'd call that a super-massive increase. It's definitely better, don't get me wrong, but I still don't see where this "Batista was definitely a bigger draw than Benoit ever was and ever could be" is coming from. Especially considering Benoit has competed on as many million dollar drawing PPVs as Batista, headlined as many of them, and has been on higher drawing B-PPVs over a much longer and more consistent period.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn't argue he was a significantly bigger draw. The whole discussion literally started with me acknowledging that Batista wasn't a huge draw but he was bigger than Benoit. Arguing the storyline is subjective, too. The fact is Benoit made Triple H and HBK tap clean over the span of a month on PPV. After winning the rumble from the #1 spot. That's not exactly making a guy an afterthought. He was booked strong as fuck.

As for Smackdown ratings, I don't see what that has to do with the discussion. Ratings probably slipped on Smackdown because they went from Cena to Batista. And Cena was a bigger draw/had more appeal than Batista. Again, I never argued that Batista was a huge draw.

Okay, so then what does he have over Benoit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

You've brought up very good talking points that have made me think and really engage with this, but I'm struggling to see a Batista > Benoit argument in any sense other than a select few PPVs that were kind of built off the back of them fucking up with everyone else over a three-year period. Ratings didn't hold under Bats for any sustainable period, his lead is overblown, and Benoit main evented shows in the Attitude era and has had more classic matches that have literally changed the business.

It's getting to look more and more like a slam-dunk when you take your eyes of Batista's classic WWE look.

[#1-norm-fan]

The period between the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania was shorter than it was for Benoit, but he averaged 3.81 on his Mania chase. Batista was at a 3.9. I don't know if you'd call that a super-massive increase. It's definitely better, don't get me wrong, but I still don't see where this "Batista was definitely a bigger draw than Benoit ever was and ever could be" is coming from. Especially considering Benoit has competed on as many million dollar drawing PPVs as Batista, headlined as many of them, and has been on higher drawing B-PPVs over a much longer and more consistent period.

A) That highlighted part is obviously a strawman. You're better than that, Goddammit. I'm arguing that he was better in the same position a year later. I mean... we CAN argue whether he's a bigger draw than Benoit ever could be. But that quote is just... come on.

B) Where are you getting this info that Benoit has headlined as many "million dollar drawing" PPVs as Batista? Firstly, I don't even know where to look for how much a PPV has drawn money-wise but I'm pretty sure a million dollars isn't a benchmark or anything. But if you just mean he's headlined as many PPVs that have drawn a lot of money as Batista I have my doubts that that's true.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A) That highlighted part is obviously a strawman. You're better than that, Goddammit. I'm arguing that he was better in the same position a year later. I mean... we CAN argue whether he's a bigger draw than Benoit ever could be. But that quote is just... come on.

B) Where are you getting this info that Benoit has headlined as many "million dollar drawing" PPVs as Batista? Firstly, I don't even know where to look for how much a PPV has drawn money-wise but I'm pretty sure a million dollars isn't a benchmark or anything. But if you just mean he's headlined as many PPVs that have drawn a lot of money as Batista I highly doubt that's true.

A) Sorry, I did not mean it literally or to misrepresent your point. I think you can try and make the argument, but it gets shot down pretty quickly.

B) I meant million buy PPVs. They both headlined zero. They were a part of about the same amount though, I believe. WrestleMania X-7 goes to Benoit. WrestleMania 23 featured both of them. WrestleMania XXIV had Batista on it. When Batista came back for WrestleMania XXX, they had switched to the Network, and I doubt it would have gotten 1 million anyway. The Rock gets those numbers, and he wasn't advertised to wrestle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My point basically is: drawing power is a wash. Basically. Batista performed slightly better in 2005 than Benoit did in 2004, but not in any sort of demonstrably "he's a bigger star" sort of way. Maybe merchandise separates them a lot? I haven't really studied that as much, but I definitely saw kids walking around in Batista shirts.

It might be different now that Batista is a genuine celebrity, but I just don't think, over the wrestling portion of their careers, you can argue that Batista is a bigger star. The data just isn't there.

[#1-norm-fan]

A) I don't think it would but I don't really wanna get into the whole "vanilla midgets can't draw" thing right now. lol

B) WrestleMania 21 drew over a million. WrestleMania 20 did too though. A million buys is a tall task either way. If you're using that number to judge guys, it's always gonna be tough to compare regardless of who the guys are because it just happens so rarely anyway. And as far as shows that they've just been on that drew a million, it doesn't really matter. If simply appearing on a card is relevant, we've gotta bring Benoit's "midcard" stint as champion back into consideration. And we've also gotta give Stevie Richards credit for appearing on some cards that drew a lot. You can only really compare headlining.

[#1-norm-fan]

As for merchandise, I think we can agree just by the eye test without having to try to find stats, Batista more than likely wins that one though, right?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

There is not a single piece of Bautista merch that stands out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A) I don't think it would but I don't really wanna get into the whole "vanilla midgets can't draw" thing right now. lol

B) WrestleMania 21 drew over a million. WrestleMania 20 did too though. A million buys is a tall task either way. If you're using that number to judge guys, it's always gonna be tough to compare regardless of who the guys are because it just happens so rarely anyway. And as far as shows that they've just been on that drew a million, it doesn't really matter. If simply appearing on a card is relevant, we've gotta bring Benoit's "midcard" stint as champion back into consideration. And we've also gotta give Stevie Richards credit for appearing on some cards that drew a lot. You can only really compare headlining.

B) For whatever reason I had lowered those two PPVs in my head to 800,000 buys or so, but those are the later ones. My bad.

I do recognize your point with Benoit's "midcard" stint, but I think Benoit played a much more featured role than you're acknowledging. And this is where our big difference in opinion comes in. Because while I do agree that it's basically down the headliners (at least, it used to be -- Triple H and Roman Reigns didn't fill up WrestleMania 32), I really do believe that Benoit meant a lot more in his "wrestling" position than most other guys ever have.

Go back to WrestleMania X-7. Sure, Austin and Rock are selling that, but you also had Vince/Shane which got ample story time, and even Taker/HHH that had no real build, but felt like a "big" match. I do think you then need to give supplementary credit to the TLC, Benoit/Angle and even Chyna/Ivory as a pay-off. I'd then put the Hardcore Title up there (for its Kane and Big Show/"fun" environment involvement) and Jericho/Regal being a nice little program. Eddie/Test and the RTC stuff probably wasn't anywhere near as meaningful, nor was the Gimmick Battle Royal. So I don't think you give Repo Man or Steven Richards as much credit there. But Benoit helped support that show and make it more than just a "one match card." The midcard really helped carry shit at times, especially when it was someone like Benoit.

I'd give Batista the same credit for his Evolution stuff against Rock and Fole at Mania XX. And his stuff with Undertaker at 23, and even Umaga at 24. It's more than just "we need a match," it's "we need to feature this guy." I wouldn't call it a "drawing" argument, so much as it is a featured performer who matters most in that sort of role kind of argument. I think a super-card with Austin vs. Rock and Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho has a good shot at drawing more than Batista vs. Chris Jericho in that undercard position. Benoit's worth as a "great wrestler" is severely underrated as to how it translates to casual audiences, in my opinion.

[Sixx]

B) For whatever reason I had lowered those two PPVs in my head to 800,000 buys or so, but those are the later ones. My bad.

I do recognize your point with Benoit's "midcard" stint, but I think Benoit played a much more featured role than you're acknowledging. And this is where our big difference in opinion comes in. Because while I do agree that it's basically down the headliners (at least, it used to be -- Triple H and Roman Reigns didn't fill up WrestleMania 32), I really do believe that Benoit meant a lot more in his "wrestling" position than most other guys ever have.

Go back to WrestleMania X-7. Sure, Austin and Rock are selling that, but you also had Vince/Shane which got ample story time, and even Taker/HHH that had no real build, but felt like a "big" match. I do think you then need to give supplementary credit to the TLC, Benoit/Angle and even Chyna/Ivory as a pay-off. I'd then put the Hardcore Title up there (for its Kane and Big Show/"fun" environment involvement) and Jericho/Regal being a nice little program. Eddie/Test and the RTC stuff probably wasn't anywhere near as meaningful, nor was the Gimmick Battle Royal. So I don't think you give Repo Man or Steven Richards as much credit there. But Benoit helped support that show and make it more than just a "one match card." The midcard really helped carry shit at times, especially when it was someone like Benoit.

I'd give Batista the same credit for his Evolution stuff against Rock and Fole at Mania XX. And his stuff with Undertaker at 23, and even Umaga at 24. It's more than just "we need a match," it's "we need to feature this guy." I wouldn't call it a "drawing" argument, so much as it is a featured performer who matters most in that sort of role kind of argument. I think a super-card with Austin vs. Rock and Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho has a good shot at drawing more than Batista vs. Chris Jericho in that undercard position. Benoit's worth as a "great wrestler" is severely underrated as to how it translates to casual audiences, in my opinion.

I'm usually not the one to appreciate a good technician but watching Benoit wrestle was great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And I think that was the "casual vibe." You always knew you were "great wrestling" with Benoit and the ilk. Mainly Benoit.

[Luigi]

Benoit was the far better wrestler AINEC.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Benoit was the far better wrestler AINEC.

I figured a poster of your intellect to be above the lazy use of internet acronyms in place of words. For shame, sir. For shame.