View Full Version : I think Sammy Sosa is done.
YOUR Hero
08-08-2004, 09:35 PM
I thought so last year, I seem some holes in his approach. I thought maybe it was just slump, but he looks the same this year. I just watched him strike out on a breaking ball that was never in the strike zone and it reminded me of my thoughts on him.
What do you think?
What other players do you think are done, that maybe noone else has noticed or mentioned?
The Miz
08-08-2004, 11:16 PM
He is shit now, he has about a home run every 10 K's.
I think Mike Mussina and Juan Gonzalez are done
The Miz
08-08-2004, 11:16 PM
Also Richard Hidalgo
BCWWF
08-08-2004, 11:18 PM
Sammy is still more effective than most players out there
The Miz
08-08-2004, 11:22 PM
If 83 K's in 79 games and a sub-.265 BA is more effective then damn, the rest of the league sucks dick
BCWWF
08-08-2004, 11:53 PM
I just watched him K all over ESPN2. He has good power numbers, but yeah only 55 RBI's is pretty shite, then again he did miss a lot of the season didn't he?
Boomer
08-09-2004, 12:08 AM
LOL I saw that same pitch. That's the kinda pitch little-leaguers swing at.
YOUR Hero
08-09-2004, 12:27 AM
He's too far off the plate.
I think my man, Shawn Green, is done.
BCWWF
08-09-2004, 12:50 AM
Shawn Green is coming around now isn't he? The Dodgers are set to walk into the playoffs now too
YOUR Hero
08-09-2004, 01:21 AM
I hope so, but he's a shell of his former self, has been for 2 years now. It saddens me.
Another I think is done, even though he was never a huge hit, Hinske.
Heyman
08-09-2004, 01:24 AM
Kelly Gruber. :nono:
KingofOldSchool
08-09-2004, 01:57 AM
Crime Dog. :'(
KleptoKlown
08-09-2004, 04:00 AM
the thing with sammy...really makes you think about the corked bat even more.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2004, 04:01 AM
They searched all his bats though. The ones from the Hall of Fame, ones he had on him. All of them (I think it was 58?) came back clean
KleptoKlown
08-09-2004, 04:06 AM
yeah, but it really was around the same time.
I still belive it was unitentional, but the timming does make you take a second look.
For all we know, he could have known he was slipping before it showed in the stats and he used the corked bat to compinsate.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2004, 04:11 AM
Yea you never know, but alteast you know all his "milestone" HRs where hit with "legit bats"
His swing just doesn't look right, just swings really hard.
Joe Morgan made a good point about his swing last night and basically said he's just not reaching balls on the outside of the plate, strikes! And that change-up he went after last night was way way out of strike zone, certainly strange behaviour for him.
Jeff Bagwell has hardly been himself this season, same for Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez has been injured the last few years so its not like he's been around much to properly assess, i'd be surprised if he didn't bounce back. And i hate to say it but Bernie Williams has been in a HORRIBLE slump, he's hitting below .250 right now which is unheard of for him, though i don't think he's finished yet by any means, he sure needs to get things going.
YOUR Hero
08-09-2004, 10:56 AM
Bernie isn't done, I don't think. Lots of injuries... he's gotta get over that and then hopefully for him he can still be productive.
I really do think these last couple years, Sammy still ends up with quite a few HRs because pitchers aren't afraid to throw to him, they don't... I dunno... think hard when facing him. So he still got 40HRs last year. Unless Sammy takes agressive action in the off season to regain that touch of hi, I don't think he'll be a 40 HR guy again.
Get carreer numbers though, can't deny that.
Boomer
08-09-2004, 11:19 AM
Joe Morgan made a good point about his swing last night and basically said he's just not reaching balls on the outside of the plate, strikes! And that change-up he went after last night was way way out of strike zone, certainly strange behaviour for him.
Jeff Bagwell has hardly been himself this season, same for Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez has been injured the last few years so its not like he's been around much to properly assess, i'd be surprised if he didn't bounce back. And i hate to say it but Bernie Williams has been in a HORRIBLE slump, he's hitting below .250 right now which is unheard of for him, though i don't think he's finished yet by any means, he sure needs to get things going.
Well have you seen Bagwell throw a ball to third? He has needed shoulder surgery all year and has little power in his upper body. But he refuses to have the surgery done until the end of the season.
Gertner
08-09-2004, 04:22 PM
Sosa really needs to be moved out of the 4 spot
player I believe are done
Maddux
Nomar(he's a horendous filder)
Pretty soon- Piazza
The Miz
08-09-2004, 04:25 PM
He has the 2nd highest career average of ANY shortstop EVER. And I don't even think he's 30 yet.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2004, 04:26 PM
LOL how is Nomar all done?
Yeah that's a fuckin stupid suggestion. Piazza...I kinda agree with partly, i think him going to 1st proves he's not as fit as he once was, although catcher is probably the most physically demanding of all positions anyway. We'll see with him, he's such an awesome hitter i don't see why he couldn't go on for a while even if it was as a DH in the AL.
YOUR Hero
08-09-2004, 09:40 PM
Piazza is ok, getting away from the catcher position was a very wise move. Nomar is far from done. Hell he could play another 10+ years yet.
BCWWF
08-09-2004, 10:44 PM
Joe Mauer could easilly be done <font color=black>playing catcher that is</font>
The Outlaw
08-10-2004, 02:19 AM
Sosa really needs to be moved out of the 4 spot
player I believe are done
Maddux
Nomar(he's a horendous filder)
Pretty soon- Piazza
You are what we like to call a moron
Moonax
08-10-2004, 10:42 PM
Sosa is the sort of player who when he misses it always looks fucking ugly. Thome is the same.
Green is toast.
Andruw Jones is done. He's never gonna be the superstar that people thought he was going to be.
The arrival of Albert Pujols pretty much eclipsed his status as exciting young NL Outfielder with a hot bat, though he's only done in that sense. I'm fairly sure he'll carry on posting good numbers and helping the Braves or whatever team it is he's on in the defensive department.
Moonax
08-11-2004, 01:55 PM
He's not that great defensively. He's ok.
He's never gonna be Hunter. He does just enought to keep himself in a job. He could have been amazing but he's regressed. Doesn't run, minimal power, minimal average.
maybe the Braves shoulda kept Jermaine Dye and dropped Jones then eh:p
Moonax
08-11-2004, 02:53 PM
I was simply saying that he is not going to be the superstar that people and Johnny 'twat' Gould think that he was going to be. He's pretty much peaked. He probably could have been much better but he couldn't be bothered.
He's also a flat track bully. He's great at feasting on crappy pitching but when you need someone to come through with clutch hits - he always chokes.
Splaya
08-11-2004, 02:59 PM
Sosa I think is slumping because his sneezes are causing his back to hurt again. I think he is not telling us more than he should be :(
The Outlaw
08-11-2004, 04:41 PM
Andruw is amazing in the field IMO.
I was simply saying that he is not going to be the superstar that people and Johnny 'twat' Gould think that he was going to be. He's pretty much peaked. He probably could have been much better but he couldn't be bothered.
He's also a flat track bully. He's great at feasting on crappy pitching but when you need someone to come through with clutch hits - he always chokes.
Johnny Gould ain't that bad :p But his Braves worship is a little annoying.
I say bring back Macklin
Moonax
08-11-2004, 07:38 PM
Well he could be worse. I remember when it was presented by Tommy Boyd.
Although the best thing about Gould having such a hard on for the braves is when they get beat. I still chuckle about the world series when they got swept.
Joe Morgan gets on my tits as well. Read my lips Joe - I don't give a shit about Willie fucking Mays being Balco Bond's godfather.
macklin was the man. Todd's teaser ruled.
Hell yes! Retro!
Joe Morgan is the man, but he does kiss Barry's ass a lot, but he's still the man, so's Jon Miller...And Rick Sutcliffe and Chris Berman, those 4 are my favourites anyway.
And yeah, loved th 99 WS:cool:
Moonax
08-11-2004, 07:47 PM
I am actually old enough to remember when the football on C4 was presented by the Vicious Boys (or something like that) - this is pre-Mick Luckhurst/Gary Imalch.
Jon Miller can be a cock with all the Spanish stuff and they can be pretty patronising of the latino players.
Yeah but i think thats partly put upon them by ESPN.
Chris Berman is probably my favourite infact, just for the totally random things he says, usually when so and so is coming to the plate.
Moonax
08-11-2004, 07:58 PM
Well my pet peeve is the attitude towards East Europeans in the Ice Hockey. Mind you Clive Fucknut pissed me off for the same reason tonight.
I get pretty pissed off with the games we get in the UK. We see the Giants, yankees, Cards, Cubs, Bo Sox and Mets. It would be nice to see some other teams. D-Rays, Indians, Twins. jays. I accept that they want the 'name' teams but if we could have them playing someone different it would be good.
I think we get like 50 or so regular season games and it winds me up when we see yanks-bo sox 5 times.
Also, what's the point of them using K zone if every time the ball is about a mile outside the box and it's called a strike and joe Morgan turns around and says about it's close to the zone and K zone is really accurate. I'm like fuck off, it wasn't a strike.
Its not up to channel 5 its up to ESPN, they shedule it all at the beginning of the season, no one expected Tampa to be anything but shit again this season, hence them being no where on the shedule!
Obviously i enjoy seeing the Yankees and we see them a fair bit...I just wanna see a little more AL ball besides that. More often than not its NL and more often than not that means either Cards, Cubs or Giants or a combo of 2 of em. The Twins have been riding high for a while now and there's no excuse for them not to be on the roster more:nono:
Moonax
08-11-2004, 08:09 PM
I don't mind seeing the yanks, but I'd like to see them playing some different teams than to see them 8 times ina season and to see them playing B-Sox, Mets and A's which is the way it breaks down normally. I'd like to see Yanks -Jays, Yanks -D-Rays, yanks -tigers. The only way we get to see something different is if we get a rainout.
The NL match-ups are fucking joke. it used to be that we'd always see the braves, but when was the last time the Phillies were on, or Padres.
Although the D-Rays were a shock, there's no excuse for teams like the Phillies not being covered.
They definately need to find away to bring back macklin though.
Agreed.
Its good to see teams like the Angels and Marlins.
Last time we saw the Padres?
I'd say october 98 sometime maybe?
I'm really looking forward to seeing Carl Pavano on the mound tonight actually, heard and a read a lot about him this season but yet to see him in action. And Larry Walker, not seen him for fucking ages, being stuck in Denver and all
Moonax
08-11-2004, 08:17 PM
I rmember one season we saw a shedload of the Indians and the Orioles. For some reason we always see tons of the Orioles. I guess that every season they spend a shed load of money on people and every year they think it'll be their year so they cover them.
I'll tell you what is ironic - when texas sucked cock we saw them all the time (of course they had gay-rod so Morgan went into rimming overdrive), this season when they are competing we don't get a snifter.
In 99 all we got was Indians and Braves, admitedly the Tribe were very fun to watch back then but still.
Also, seeing the White Sox a few times has been great:y:
Now i'm off to watch the game!
Moonax
08-11-2004, 08:31 PM
I think C5 is still showing some cheap 'documentary' about the porn industry.
Something does piss me off is what cock suckers all sports reporters are. You never hear Joe Morgan say 'well barry can you actually tell us about your links to Balco and also the sudde improvement in your play?'
lol!
I'm getting pissed with missing the first inning all the time because they're fitting in ridiculous unwatched programs beforehand. Great game last night mind:y:
BCWWF
08-12-2004, 02:03 PM
Fox baseball still shows the Indians all the time over here
Moonax
08-12-2004, 09:13 PM
lol!
I'm getting pissed with missing the first inning all the time because they're fitting in ridiculous unwatched programs beforehand. Great game last night mind:y:
I see the sunday game is Yankees...
Good game. Always funny to see that Gould still has no idea what's going on.
Yes indeed, but he's certainly getting better.
I think we're getting Cards/Braves on sunday...Which is predictable but i don't mind seeing it. Next wednesday i think we get Yankees/Twins, which i can't fucking wait for! I'm hoping we see El Duque on the mound
Moonax
08-13-2004, 10:07 AM
More likely Tanyon Sturtzee vs Terry Mullholland.
I can't take Mullholland serious after the time Macklin described him as a 'crapper'. He's the sort of player who has a job and you can never quite work out why.
Isn't this like the third game in a row with the Cards. I know they are leading the division and all that but.....
Yup 3rd in a row and probably nearing the 10th time overall :|
BCWWF
08-13-2004, 03:18 PM
Terry Mulholland is going to be taken out of the rotation after his next start
Moonax
08-14-2004, 08:38 AM
Yup 3rd in a row and probably nearing the 10th time overall :|
It'll be good to see the Braves. Although it means that Gould will be worse than usual.
The one good thing about travelling is that I've seen some local coverage of teams when I've been in North America. Although seeing the whole Jays - Royals series made me quite glad that ESPN do put some quality control in.
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