Premiership Talk

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Is the game at City or Utd?

I believe it is at the Trafford that is Old

[Cactus Sid]

Because you are both sick of being fu</>cked by United?

Nope

I'm sick of Manchester United fans.

[Cactus Sid]

Also, the whole Liverpool connection at City, and they are a great team to watch

[Ogen]

Regarding daft bets a friend of my dads lost out on holiday of a lifetime because of France V Senegal. He was going on a big cruise thing and staying in loads of nice places but beforehand he saw France V Senegal as the opener of the world cup and put the entire holiday fund of himself and his then girlfriend on France winning, shít odds but he woulda been able to bump himself up a class or some shít with the winnings. The realationship didn't last the summer

[Rob]

Lol. OK. Looks like loads of people think the same.

Good man. Have some good rep points for that. :) :y:

[Danny Electric]

Good man. Have some good rep points for that. :) :y:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rob again.

Sorry mate, as soon as I can I'll send some back. :)

[Danny Electric]

Also, the whole Liverpool connection at City, and they are a great team to watch

It's great to see them at City. I hope they start to do well. All they need is Jamie Redknap.Lol

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Stop giving yourself rep Harvey :p

[Mr. Monday Morning]

In a weird 'hey I did that on Champ Man!' moment, Lucio has been linked with a move to Chelsea in the summer from Leverkusen. Could happen I suppose with Desailly getting closer to retirement, although it depends if Huth is as good as Dazz says ;) He was linked at the start of the season with Juve and Roma so there could be a nice bit of competition going on there.

[Wengerland]

Lucio always goes to Newcastle on mine for some reason.

Anyway(:shifty:),i can't see Chelsea not buying a defender if Desailly goes,even if Huth is pritty good.

[Dazz]

In a weird 'hey I did that on Champ Man!' moment, Lucio has been linked with a move to Chelsea in the summer from Leverkusen. Could happen I suppose with Desailly getting closer to retirement, although it depends if Huth is as good as Dazz says ;) He was linked at the start of the season with Juve and Roma so there could be a nice bit of competition going on there. Trust me, with Robert Huth, the hype is real, you wait till you see him belt a free kick, Murray would have NO chance.

Lucio always goes to Newcastle on mine for some reason.

Anyway(:shifty: ),i can't see Chelsea not buying a defender if Desailly goes,even if Huth is pritty good.

Huth in two years will be great, he just needs someone really good next to him, same as Terry becoming great by playing alongside Desailly.

I do still think we need another centre back, but I think that Ranieri should play Manu Petit there, see how he gets on, he is abit of a girl, but he did used to play there.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Trust me, with Robert Huth, the hype is real, you wait till you see him belt a free kick, Murray would have NO chance.

I seem to remember seeing him hit one earlier this season against the bar, so I don't doubt he can shoot. He needs to do a bit more than that though :p

And leave Matt Murray alone :rant: :'(

[Danny Electric]

I think that if we beat Bolton today then it would be a great result, but I've got a feeling it'll probably end up ina draw.
Good news is that Okacha isn't there and Baros is back in our squad. :D

[Danny Electric]

Defoe's just scored on his debut and I'm about to cry.

[Danny Electric]

Now I'm a bit happier, Ganea has just equalised for Wolves. :)

[The Mask]

wooo saha

[Danny Electric]

wooo saha

I think he's just answered his critics.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I think he's just answered his critics.

LOL sorry, putting 2 against Everton doesn't prove much, Forlan could probably do that. He won't win everyone over unless he proves himself in Europe.

And WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ganea :cool:

And Pompey just equalised (RBF :love: )

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Spurs 2-1 :-\

[packt up]

SHOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Equaliser for the 'Pool

[Danny Electric]

LOL sorry, putting 2 against Everton doesn't prove much, Forlan could probably do that. He won't win everyone over unless he proves himself in Europe.

And WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ganea :cool:

And Pompey just equalised (RBF :love: )

I still think that it proves a little something, they might not have a great defence but I for one was expecting him to be a massive flop. He's fitted in to the side really well.

[Danny Electric]

Equaliser for the 'Pool
:D

[Danny Electric]

Everton have pulled one back too. :D

[Mr. Monday Morning]

F</>uck :rant:

[Danny Electric]

God damn Bolton.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Bolton 2-1

Well, at least the teams around us are losing as well

[Danny Electric]

F</>uck :rant:

Stupid french frogs.

[Danny Electric]

Newcastle have just gone 3-0 up.

[Danny Electric]

Arsenal 3-1

[Mr. Monday Morning]

F</>UCK :rant:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Everton have got another :eek:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Oh well, Leeds is the big game on Tuesday anyway, we need that one

[Mr. Monday Morning]

2-2 at Bolton, Gerrard

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Pompey :love:

[Danny Electric]

I love you Stevie G.

[Danny Electric]

Oh well, Leeds is the big game on Tuesday anyway, we need that one

Home or away?

[Danny Electric]

Pompey :love:

I thought you would have wanted them to lose. :|

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Leeds is away :$ But still, we need it

Yeah it'd be better for us if Pompey lost. But RBFFFFF :love:

Everton 3-3 :|!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahgoaehjgjoaiejgioa KEVIN KILBANE???!?!?!?!

[Danny Electric]

Three strikers score on their debut for new teams in the Premiership.
Defoe
Stead
Lua Lua

[Danny Electric]

Leeds is away :$ But still, we need it

Yeah it'd be better for us if Pompey lost. But RBFFFFF :love:

Everton 3-3 :|!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahgoaehjgjoaiejgioa KEVIN KILBANE???!?!?!?!

Lol.
If Everton win, It will make my day.
You should beat Leeds.

[The Mask]

:|

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Pompey :(

On the other hand, Robbie Keane :love:

[Danny Electric]

Pompey :(

On the other hand, Robbie Keane :love:

Wolves made him the player he is. :|

[Mr. Monday Morning]

:|

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[Mr. Monday Morning]

Wolves made him the player he is. :|

Um, yes?

He's one of our own, probably the best player we've ever produced through our youth system, and most fans still love him. Just wish we could've gotten promoted while we still had him :-\

[Danny Electric]

Um, yes?

He's one of our own, probably the best player we've ever produced through our youth system, and most fans still love him. Just wish we could've gotten promoted while we still had him :-\

It was a crap joke. No I think that you did, he showcased himself at Wolves and then Coventry. You would have been in the Premiership earlier if you kept on to him.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Pompey :eek:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Apparently Owen has missed an open goal :|

[Danny Electric]

Apparently Owen has missed an open goal :|

Jesus Christ, i wouldn't moan if he left.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Pompey :'(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

van Nistelrooy...:mad:

[Danny Electric]

van Nistelrooy...:mad:
:mad:

[The Mask]

YES

YES

OMGOMGOGMGYES

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Balls :mad:

They just had to give me hope we could get something :'(

[The Mask]

my strikers both got one a piece this week :love:

midfield seems a bit dead unless lampard can do something tomorrow though :'(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Saha got two though didn't he?

[Danny Electric]

Saha got two though didn't he?

I think he means for his fantasy football side.

[The Mask]

oh yeah, two

WOOO

probably shagged with the 3 howard let in though :(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

That's what I'm talking about

[Ogen]

Villa another win up to 8th starting to get little desires for Europe in my heart but my head says it won't happen.

[Danny Electric]

That's what I'm talking about

Sos.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

11 points so far this week at least..not bad

[The Mask]

I have 9 that I know of. If henry or saha assisted any then I'm good too :$

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah Henry got an assist

[The Mask]

that should make up for howards 3 then :$

[Mr. Monday Morning]

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[The Mask]

MSN convos are better saved as GIFs ;)!

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

RUUD:love: :kiss:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39833000/jpg/_39833297_ruudgt300.jpg

And also I laughed at this photo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39833000/jpg/_39833867_phillips300gt.jpg

:lol:

[Wengerland]

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:mad: :rant:

3-1 defeat today. :-\ Wasn't as bad as i thought after last week but Bolton on Tuesday isn't looking too promising given both sides recent form. :'(

[Dazz]

I seem to remember seeing him hit one earlier this season against the bar, so I don't doubt he can shoot. He needs to do a bit more than that though :p

And leave Matt Murray alone :rant: :'(

I actually like Murray, he did well last season and was brilliant in the play offs, shame he sucked against Chelsea.

And that one that hit the bar was in the Champions League, and it actually hit the bar and went in, but the Linesman didn't see it go in. Not because he is blind, but because the shot was so powerful it was a hard call to make, I was behind the goal, in the second row of the second tier, and I wasn't sure if it went in, and I had a better view then the lino.

[Dazz]

Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Keane and Gary Neville were reported to police by Everton fans who claim they screamed obscenities while celebrating the winner in their 4-3 victory. Fans stayed behind to give statements to police.

and this Millwall player called Moses Ashikodi oulled a kitchen knife out on team mate Mark McCammon, the row happened after training, in the canteen, and Ashikodi had to be restrained by staff and players. What a nutter.

[The Mask]

Cristiano learns fast :love: :shifty:

[Cactus Sid]

Not neccessarily Premiership news, but Paul Hart's been sacked, hard to believe last season they were linking him to the Leeds job

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I actually like Murray, he did well last season and was brilliant in the play offs, shame he sucked against Chelsea.


That was Oakes :o

[Dazz]

That was Oakes :o
:$

Anyway, what did everyone think of Huth today? I think that him, Glenn Johnson and Eidur Gudjohnsen were our best players. Gronkjaer keeps running the ball to touch, Lamps was average, Nicholas played well, Jimmy did nothing but win the penalty and score it. Mutuuuuuu :(.

[Wengerland]

I thought Huth did ok,made a lapse in the first half but recovered well and it seems the fans think he can hit a good free kick and i guess the one that he took was better than J-F's.

Gronkjaer's first half was probably the best i personally have seen him play for Chelsea,and Johnson looked better when he had less defensive duties,Mutu has got to do better though.:no:

[Dazz]

I thought Huth did ok,made a lapse in the first half but recovered well and it seems the fans think he can hit a good free kick and i guess the one that he took was better than J-F's.

Yeah but like you say, he won the ball back (kinda). His free kick should have been rolled to him, he hits it straight and hard, he was never going to get it on target with a wall like theirs. It was cool when Jimmy told Huth to go back to the half way line, and then the fans were all like 'HUTH HUTH HUTH HUTH HUTH' and then Jimmy let him have it, and we all cheered. Like I say, shame it wasn't rolled to him. And he really crunched that player in the first half too.

[packt up]

Didn't see any of the games today :(.

I hate Man U. :)

We are fourth though so not a bad weekend :y:

[Cactus Sid]

Yeah but like you say, he won the ball back (kinda). His free kick should have been rolled to him, he hits it straight and hard, he was never going to get it on target with a wall like theirs. It was cool when Jimmy told Huth to go back to the half way line, and then the fans were all like 'HUTH HUTH HUTH HUTH HUTH' and then Jimmy let him have it, and we all cheered. Like I say, shame it wasn't rolled to him. And he really crunched that player in the first half too.

That was funny as hell

When he struck it me and my dad looked at each other like, Holy Sh</>it

[Dazz]

That was funny as hell

When he struck it me and my dad looked at each other like, Holy Sh</>it

he has a LETHAL shot, shame it wasn't on target :(, if you saw his practice shots in the pre-match warm up, fu</>ck me were they hard.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39652000/gif/_39652107_robert_pires_300.gif

Muwhahahaha

[Cactus Sid]

Its only taken you....ooh...what.... 5 months or so to have a go at Pires?

[Dazz]

yeah that is abit out of date

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Someone just posted it on the draw a superstar section on the bbc website

[Wengerland]

Anyone know the name of the music before that Chelsea have before matches? I've also heard it on Soccer A.M i think.

[Wengerland]

Oh yeah Bolton tonight,must say that i'm not very optimistic about it.Then again i did say that we would go down if we lost to Villa,though i guess this game is more vital as imo it determines the response(as i knew we'd lose at Newcastle),a win could see the start of a good run,kinda like the response after the Wolves game,and help get out of the relegation zone.

[Danny Electric]

Oh yeah Bolton tonight,must say that i'm not very optimistic about it.Then again i did say that we would go down if we lost to Villa,though i guess this game is more vital as imo it determines the response(as i knew we'd lose at Newcastle),a win could see the start of a good run,kinda like the response after the Wolves game,and help get out of the relegation zone.

I think that this is the best time to play Bolton because of Okocha's absence, but then again I said that the other day when Liverpool played them.
Is it at home or away?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Leeds tonight.

DIE LEEDS DIE :mad:

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Leeds tonight.

DIE LEEDS DIE :mad:

Nah leeds need to win to keep it interesting down there. Obviously that would suck for you but damnit I need to be Interested and entertained

[Cactus Sid]

I hope Wolves win, They've got a great fighting spirit, they've been underdogs since day one, and I also think that Leeds have brought everything upon themselves and now they've gotta face the consequences

[Danny Electric]

I hope Wolves win, They've got a great fighting spirit, they've been underdogs since day one, and I also think that Leeds have brought everything upon themselves and now they've gotta face the consequences

It's good seeing Wolves do well, being a local kid and all. I hope they stay up.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Nah leeds need to win to keep it interesting down there. Obviously that would suck for you but damnit I need to be Interested and entertained

COME ON ARSENAL :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I hope Wolves win, They've got a great fighting spirit, they've been underdogs since day one, and I also think that Leeds have brought everything upon themselves and now they've gotta face the consequences

:love:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's good seeing Wolves do well, being a local kid and all. I hope they stay up.

:love:

[Cactus Sid]

COME ON ARSENAL :mad:

:love:

Feel the love around here :love: :love: :love:

[Dazz]

Anyone know the name of the music before that Chelsea have before matches? I've also heard it on Soccer A.M i think.

Do you mean the Russian song? PR knows the name of that, I can never remember it. Something like Kronikle but i could be way off.

Or the liquidator? that goes liek this: 'do do do do, do do do do, do do do do, do do do do,*clap clap clap clap* CHELSEA!

Or 'Blue Day', or 'Blue is the Colour' but I doubt thats on Soccer A.M. Then again i doubt the Russian song is either but I havent watched Soccer A.M in a while.


I hope Wolves win, They've got a great fighting spirit, they've been underdogs since day one, and I also think that Leeds have brought everything upon themselves and now they've gotta face the consequences

I agree. :y:

[Rob]

I hope Leeds get stuffed too.

Oh yeah, Leicester just scored as I typed that.

[Cactus Sid]

LMFAO @ THIS LEICESTER GAME

They are showing how fu</>cking stupid this "new" offside rule is, and Ian Walker just did the worst clanger....ever

[Rob]

I'm surprised 1000 Leicester fans never ran on the pitch there to slap Ian Walker like he deserved. What a useless wanker.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

F</>UCK F</>UCK F</>UCK F</>UCKITY F</>UCK :mad:

COME ON :mad:

[Wengerland]

Ian Walker's a ****ing twat.

I wanted Danny Coyne in after the Villa game to be honest,and this is just crap.I mean if the keeper makes mistakes then its hardly gonna be good for team morale.

I'm not gonna go mad at Bolton though,credit to them for exploiting the worst foorballing rule ever made,just sad that it's against us and that we've not got the brains to use it against them.

[Wengerland]

Or the liquidator? that goes liek this: 'do do do do, do do do do, do do do do, do do do do,*clap clap clap clap* CHELSEA!


Thats it,is it called the liquidator or is that just the fans name for it? If it's an actual song/thing thats downloadable. :-\

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Jesus Christ.

Dave Jones, for the love of God, stop playing Kenny Miller on the right where he can't defend and he keeps leaving Irwin exposed.

F</>uck. I've never stopped believing we can stay up but shit, we haven't lost this badly since the Chelsea game, I thought we'd cut this crap out. And against LEEDS, of all teams.

We need to win all our home games to stand a chance :-\

[Cactus Sid]

I think you'll make it, have faith

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's doable. I mean, our home games are (not in order)

Boro
Villa
Southampton
Fulham
Tottenham
Bolton
Everton

Still though...:-\ Sounds like we were completely knackered after Saturday and just capitulated 2nd half.

[Dazz]

I'm surprised 1000 Leicester fans never ran on the pitch there to slap Ian Walker like he deserved. What a useless wanker.
:lol:

[Wengerland]

wow,another lead lost.Thanks alot Walker(you dick).

I am so pissed off because Bolton did sweet FA to score again,but at the end of the day when our best player on the pitch is a 37 year old forward who is retiring at the end of the season it doesn't say much and a point from that match is no good for us,especially seeing as Pompey beat Bolton 4-0 at home earlier in the season so these are the games we must win.Wolves have looked a much better team at home but yet again we have lost a lead,even if we'd have won half of the games we were leading in and went onto draw/lose then we'd be about mid-table.

rant over.

[Dazz]

Villa
Tottenham
Bolton
Everton

i think you can get at least a draw in those games, but your chances of survival aren't very good.

[toxic rooster]

I hope Leeds get stuffed too.

Oh yeah, Leicester just scored as I typed that.

:(

My super at work is like an uber Leeds fan

he was nearly going insane last time i saw him.

he needs a bit of sanity...

[Wengerland]

I'm surprised 1000 Leicester fans never ran on the pitch there to slap Ian Walker like he deserved. What a useless wanker.

I must say i wasn't displeased at the fan doing that.

[toxic rooster]

Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Keane and Gary Neville were reported to police by Everton fans who claim they screamed obscenities while celebrating the winner in their 4-3 victory. Fans stayed behind to give statements to police.

Yeah like Everton fans weren't screaming obscenities at Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Keane and Gary Neville all day :roll:

[Wengerland]

Apart from Liverpool,all our other home games are winable.Since the Chelsea game at home to the end of the season Leicester's home games are:

Aston Villa
Bolton
Wolves
Everton
Liverpool
Fulham
Man City
Portsmouth

I'm not confident of winning any of them now.:(

I guess rant wasn't over,sorry.:o

[Wengerland]

and this Millwall player called Moses Ashikodi oulled a kitchen knife out on team mate Mark McCammon, the row happened after training, in the canteen, and Ashikodi had to be restrained by staff and players. What a nutter.

Well his manager is Dennis Wise....

[toxic rooster]

millwall = :o

[Dazz]

Well his manager is Dennis Wise....

:rant:

[Wengerland]

:rant:

:D

Check out the post about the Chelsea song though,is it called the liquidator or something?

[Dazz]

Yeah like Everton fans weren't screaming obscenities at Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Keane and Gary Neville all day :roll:

I didn't say that.

[Cactus Sid]

Yeah like Everton fans weren't screaming obscenities at Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Keane and Gary Neville all day :roll:

You forget who they were shouting at, it was the family enclosure, I'm willing to bet 75% of the people there would have been offended by it.

Of course, Neville says his piece, and comes of as a complete dickhead in my eyes "What do you expect us to do?" he says, well for one thing, your a bloody professional and supposed to be a role-model, you can celebrate a goal without yelling at the opposition's supporters, worse yet, kids.

[Dazz]

:D

Check out the post about the Chelsea song though,is it called the liquidator or something?

yes it is called that. I tried to download it but I coulnd't get any matches.

[toxic rooster]

where did the dude that tried to attack C Ronaldo come from?

[Rob Ban Fan]

I didn't say that.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">even if they were, its not an excuse.

Me and you have had this conversation already after the same thing happened with Wayne Bridge.

Just because you've been getting stick from the fans, you've still got to be professional, grin and bare it "yes, you've been giving me stick all day but ive just scored, we're going to beat you, I make more in a week than you make in 5 years." They shouldn't run over to the opposition fans and taunt them, its unprofessional.</font>

[Cactus Sid]

where did the dude that tried to attack Ronaldo come from?

Someone tried to attack Ronaldo? I'll just read around and see if anything's been printed about that

[Wengerland]

yes it is called that. I tried to download it but I coulnd't get any matches.

Damn. :(

[Rob Ban Fan]

Damn. :(

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">yeah, i tried it a few weeks ago too and i couldn't find it.</font>

[Cactus Sid]

Ok, I looked into the guy attacking Ronaldo, and I still don't see how that justifies the actions of the United players. If a fan is able to attack a player, it is the fault of the security for not dealing with the situation. 1 idiotic fan does not therefore constituate every fan in the ground.

[toxic rooster]

Someone tried to attack Ronaldo? I'll just read around and see if anything's been printed about that

Apparently an Everton fan tried to attack Cristiano Ronaldo at Goodison right before he crossed to RvN...

[Wengerland]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">yeah, i tried it a few weeks ago too and i couldn't find it.</font>

:(

Quality song though,i'll admit to singing along quietly. :$

[Dazz]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">even if they were, its not an excuse.

Me and you have had this conversation already after the same thing happened with Wayne Bridge.

Just because you've been getting stick from the fans, you've still got to be professional, grin and bare it "yes, you've been giving me stick all day but ive just scored, we're going to beat you, I make more in a week than you make in 5 years." They shouldn't run over to the opposition fans and taunt them, its unprofessional.</font>

Look Rob, we've been through that, but this is different, Wayne Bridge never abused your fans, he just ran in front of them and celebrated, whether he was celebrating to the above two tiers of Chelsea fans, or the lower teir of your fans remains a mystery. :shifty:. But he never hurled any abuse at the fans, therefor, he didn't provoke them, he gave as good as he got.

When Chelsea played Boro a few years ago, Ince went down in the box, but it wasn't a foul, and one of the Chelsea fans (in the family stand) shouted 'It wasn't his fault, he tripped over his ego' and then Ince turned round and stuck his middle finger up at us. Some people cared, some people didn't, but he was wrong to do it because there were kids about.

When we played Arsenal a few seasons ago, we did the usual 'lets all do the Seamen', now, this was in his less witty days, where he simply turned around with a big smile on his face and stuck two fingers up at us. everyone clapped him for it, and no one cared, because everyone likes David Seamen.

The point I am making, is that it depends on who the players are aswell, alot of people do not like Gary Neville or Roy Keane, so they are going to be annoyed.

When we sung 'Posh Spice takes in up the arse' against United, and then Beckham scored a free kick, he ran over and slid in front of use with his hands at his ears as if you say 'lets hear what you have to say now', and ALL the Chelsea fans got annoyed, I too was pissed off, but we had it coming.
All three incidents happened in the family stand.

The fans acted more angrily to Beckham, then they did to Ince or Seamen, because in general, no one likes United, and this was before everyone was kissing his arse.

[toxic rooster]

Bolton's Sam Allardyce has explained the way in which he exploited the change in the offside law to claim a share of the points against Leicester City.
Bolton used a system of placing players in obvious offside positions but then running back, taking advantage of Fifa's ruling change.

The system caused Leicester all kinds of problems - and the equalising goal came directly from such a set-piece.

"We've had a look at the new regulations and we have got to use them to our benefit," said an apologetic Allardyce.

"I don't like them and I think they detract from the game, but it is not the referee's fault he has to implement them and I blame Fifa.

"They have to change them, but in the mean time we have to use them to our advantage.

"It doesn't add anything to the game and it leave players and fans upset and angry.

"What we have done today doesn't look good to the fans but it makes it hard for the opposition. I think it shows the rule up to be honest."

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[Dazz]

I agree with Sam Allerdyce, I think he is a quality bloke, and he does speak alot of truth. Not just in this, but in general.

[Cactus Sid]

When we sung 'Posh Spice takes in up the arse' against United, and then Beckham scored a free kick, he ran over and slid in front of use with his hands at his ears as if you say 'lets hear what you have to say now', and ALL the Chelsea fans got annoyed, I too was pissed off, but we had it coming.
All three incidents happened in the family stand.

This is different IMO, because Beckham was not yelling obsenities at you, it was more of a "How do you like that?" kind of thing, it wasn't a nasty thing to do, unlike Keane, Neville and Ronaldo, who were making obscene gestures.

If they apologised for their actions, explaining how you get caught up in the heat of the moment, or just something to explain their actions and attempt to defuse the situation, rather than some complete bollocks that Neville comes up with about "we're celebrating, so we have to go and yell at people, swear, make obscene gestures" (ok, he didn't say this, but by not apologising and by what he's said, he's seemingly justifying it as an ok thing to do), if they did apologise, I'm sure everything would be fine, but then United aren't gonna get off their high horse, cos they can do whatever they want.

[Rob Ban Fan]

Look Rob, we've been through that, but this is different, Wayne Bridge never abused your fans, he just ran in front of them and celebrated, whether he was celebrating to the above two tiers of Chelsea fans, or the lower teir of your fans remains a mystery. :shifty:. But he never hurled any abuse at the fans, therefor, he didn't provoke them, he gave as good as he got.


<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Actually it was reported that he used foul language, i dunno how true that was but you could see he was definatly shouting towards the away fans. He also had his hands raised and shook his fists. He also ran the entire distance of the pitch, away from the goal, away from the home fans to the touchline where the away fans were and celebrated, he was still doing it when the other players dragged him away.

If that isn't acting provocitively, i dunno what was. He could've just celebrated his first premiership goal for Chelsea with the Chelsea fans, or if he was that desperate to make a point, he could've done something simple like putting his finger to his lips and shhhing.

He was over the top and he was provocative. Which was unprofessional. Like ive said to you before, its understandable but its still unprofessional.</font>

[Cactus Sid]

I agree with Sam Allerdyce, I think he is a quality bloke, and he does speak alot of truth. Not just in this, but in general.

Agreed, and what he has said is justifiable.

[Dazz]

This is different IMO, because Beckham was not yelling obsenities at you, it was more of a "How do you like that?" kind of thing, it wasn't a nasty thing to do, unlike Keane, Neville and Ronaldo, who were making obscene gestures.

That was the point I was trying to make, maybe I didn't make it clear.

What I meant was we got more annoyed over Beckhams celebration then when players swore at us, because of who it was not because of who he is.

I think that the Everton fans are probably the same, because its Keane and Neville, they want to see something happen.

[Dazz]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Actually it was reported that he used foul language, i dunno how true that was but you could see he was definatly shouting towards the away fans. He also had his hands raised and shook his fists. He also ran the entire distance of the pitch, away from the goal, away from the home fans to the touchline where the away fans were and celebrated, he was still doing it when the other players dragged him away.

If that isn't acting provocitively, i dunno what was. He could've just celebrated his first premiership goal for Chelsea with the Chelsea fans, or if he was that desperate to make a point, he could've done something simple like putting his finger to his lips and shhhing.

He was over the top and he was provocative. Which was unprofessional. Like ive said to you before, its understandable but its still unprofessional.</font>

I could respond to this, but I would just be repeating myself from convos that I have had with you.

But, for the record, he ran HALF of the WIDTH of the pitch, nowhere near as bad as what you said, but yes, he could have just celebrated in front of us. If Bridge did yell things, then I would agree with you, but otherwise, I think that your fans had it coming. Just like the Chelsea fans had it coming when we took the piss out of Beckham.

[Cactus Sid]

That was the point I was trying to make, maybe I didn't make it clear.

What I meant was we got more annoyed over Beckhams celebration then when players swore at us, because of who it was not because of who he is.

I think that the Everton fans are probably the same, because its Keane and Neville, they want to see something happen.

I'm not sure, I mean, it really really does depend on the situation.

In the case here, Keane, Neville, Ronaldo, whoever, were yelling at the family stand, and I think genuinly offended some people, it's hard to say, because we don't know exactly who made the statements, who they were at the match with, etc.... but it still doesn't forgive those players for doing what they did, I doubt these people would make false statements to the police unless they felt something warranted it, even if its not an arrestable offence, whatever they did, if they are swearing at fans and making gestures, then they need to be punished.

[Dazz]

Agreed, I think that the players were wrong, and way out of order, but I still think that the Everton fans made a bigger deal about it because it was United players, they would have been just as pissed if it was Liverpool players. But I think it would be interesting to see their reaction to a team like Portsmouth or Leicester.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

At the end of the day, I think we can all agree on one thing.




Gary Neville is a twat.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Oh, about The Liquidator btw; years ago I used to buy Total Football magazine, and one issue they gave away a CD with a few football songs on, whether they be unofficial anthems or fan-written songs ('Julian Dicks: The Terminator' :o ) - I *THINK* I have it buried at home somewhere. I'm going back not this weekend but the one after, so I'll have a look and if I find it I'll rip a copy of Liquidator for y'all, cause it was definitely on there.

[Danny Electric]

At the end of the day, I think we can all agree on one thing.




Gary Neville is a twat.

Best thing ever said on the sports forum.

[toxic rooster]

At the end of the day, I think we can all agree on one thing.




Gary Neville is a twat.

True

[Dazz]

At the end of the day, I think we can all agree on one thing.




Gary Neville is a twat.

:y:

But he is still the better brother.

[toxic rooster]

Surely not those red angels from Manchester?

I thought it was only those naughty boys from Arsenal ever did things like this.

Go tell Alex not to hang around that nasty Arsene any more..

[The Duck]

The fact that Ronaldo was nearly attacked by a fan right before the supposed incident seems to of gone un-noticed I take it.

Complaints could be made each and every week about 'offensive' celebrations or gestures. If we want to become more like the U.S and complain about petty incidents like this, then these Evertonian no-marks are doing a damn good job. Ronaldo was also pelted with plastic bottles - tell me if you wouldn't react to that?

If the United players did something wrong, then they should be punished - but from where I'm sitting, it seems another bandwagon has been built for United-haters to jump on and have their dig.

[Cactus Sid]

The fact that Ronaldo was nearly attacked by a fan right before the supposed incident seems to of gone un-noticed I take it.

Complaints could be made each and every week about 'offensive' celebrations or gestures. If we want to become more like the U.S and complain about petty incidents like this, then these Evertonian no-marks are doing a damn good job. Ronaldo was also pelted with plastic bottles - tell me if you wouldn't react to that?

If the United players did something wrong, then they should be punished - but from where I'm sitting, it seems another bandwagon has been built for United-haters to jump on and have their dig.

I said in a previous post, that the security should have dealt with the fan who went for Ronaldo, and I'm sure that he was removed from the ground, it is the security's issue to deal with anything like that, and again its making one fans actions the supposed actions of 30,000

The whole point here is that the United players have run across and yeld obscenties and used offensive gestures, I would agree that players use provocative celebrations most games, but their is a huge difference between, as in the case previously of David Beckham, and the case we are talking about here. I have said it on a number of occasions, this is extremely unprofessional behaviour, from players who are supposed to be role-models.

Footballers have always had to put up with HUGE amounts of stick from any fans, all over the country, and all over the globe. Take this point, Chelsea vs Beskitas, and absolute fu</>cking disgrace that the fans could act like that, did Chelsea start syelling at the Beskitas fans? No. It happens all over the place, and players are pelted with bottles and coins all over the place, and they get on with it, why should United be any different?

I don't disagree with players celebrating wildly, as long as they are not shouting abuse at fans, and most importantly, not in-front of kids.

The United players have done something wrong, if they've hurled abuse at the crowd, then they are breaking F.A rules, they have been unprofessional, have, as I've said a million times, they've broken the biggest thing that clubs set out to do, and that is be role-models for children and people in general.

Maybe it is another bandwagon, but I don't think you can deny, that United keep bringing these things upon themselves with the actions of the players, the manager, and the boardroom.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Do you mean the Russian song? PR knows the name of that, I can never remember it. Something like Kronikle but i could be way off.

Or the liquidator? that goes liek this: 'do do do do, do do do do, do do do do, do do do do,*clap clap clap clap* CHELSEA!

Or 'Blue Day', or 'Blue is the Colour' but I doubt thats on Soccer A.M. Then again i doubt the Russian song is either but I havent watched Soccer A.M in a while.




I agree. :y:


Kolinko :D

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

This is different IMO, because Beckham was not yelling obsenities at you, it was more of a "How do you like that?" kind of thing, it wasn't a nasty thing to do, unlike Keane, Neville and Ronaldo, who were making obscene gestures.
.

:roll: Evidence of the players making obscene gestures can be found where???

[Cactus Sid]

:roll: Evidence of the players making obscene gestures can be found where???

The 50 or so people who filed a complaint. If nothing happened, then they are all liable for fines.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

The 50 or so people who filed a complaint. If nothing happened, then they are all liable for fines.

Well the video evidence of the celebration after the goal showed NO gestures made by the Man Utd players, Only the odd scousers showing the flying V.

[Cactus Sid]

So, you've seen the pictures from ITV right?

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

So, you've seen the pictures from ITV right?

I've seen pictures from ITV yes

[Cactus Sid]

If you see the pictures from ITV, then you will notice, that the players in question are not in shot

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

If you see the pictures from ITV, then you will notice, that the players in question are not in shot

Keane and Neville are both in the shot

[Cactus Sid]

Well, not in the pictures I've seen, so I guess we've seen different pictures, cos the only Neville in the shots I've seen, is Phil

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Well, not in the pictures I've seen, so I guess we've seen different pictures, cos the only Neville in the shots I've seen, is Phil

Heres a little part of a PR from bbc.co.uk

"Merseyside Police have decided they will not take further action after viewing CCTV footage of the incident."

[Cactus Sid]

Ok, so they've viewed the CCTV, and they've decided that there is nothing which can constitute an offence that can be dealt with by the police, this doesn't mean that they haven't been shouting and yelling at the Everton fans does it?

Let me look at this, for a moment from an unbiased perspective, which I admit, is difficult for me to do.

United's players have gone across and celebrated in front of the family stand at Goodison Park. They have apparently shouted and sworn AT the fans, while making gestures. The result of this, was 50 fans filing a report to the police. I have read that one of the people who made a statement was a steward. Merseyside Police have found that the evidence they have does nothing to warrant an offence that can bring about action, and so the issue has been passed onto the F.A to look at.

These appear to be the facts.

Now, the thing that I am arguing is that the Manchester United players did not need to go across towards those fans and celebrate, and spout abusive language. Now, I think that this is more or less a fact, that they did indeed shout and swear at the crowd. 50 people complained, that's 50 out of around..... 3-4000 in the area United where in front of (the area which could have been in ear shot). They are indeed a minority, but they seem to have been offended by something, and they've reported this.

My point is, that what the Manchester United players have done, is very unprofessional, and as role-models they should apologise for their actions, I mean, Gary Neville yesterday practically admitted that they celebrated OTT, but that it was ok to do so.

The pictures I have seen did not have Ronaldo or Neville in them, Keane was in them, but if I remember correctly, he was the closest person to the crowd, while the rest of the players were in a big bundle.

[Dazz]

I think that Cactus Sid is right.

Because their is no video evidence doesn't mean they didnt do it, and if Neville has admitted they were in the wrong, then like what Sid said, it is unprofessional, and uncalled for.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

I think that Cactus Sid is right.

Because their is no video evidence doesn't mean they didnt do it, and if Neville has admitted they were in the wrong, then like what Sid said, it is unprofessional, and uncalled for.

Neville admitted the celebrations were over the top but he didn't say that they swore or abused the fans.

[Rob]

I think it's unprofessional because people are stuck in that norm that players shouldn't say anything to fans. Personally, I think that as long as they don't swear, they should be able to say what they like. It's only a laugh and if you can give it then you should be able to take it. If you get arsey about it then leave the ground because you are watching the wrong sport. Try snooker or indoor bowls.

As for Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody has mentioned how he had a full Coke bottle thrown at him and the pictures were as clear as a beautiful summer day.

[Wengerland]

Seeing as there is a bit of a debate and things on this situation,it would be interesting to know everyone's views on the Walker/fan incident.I mean surely Walker reacting by physically attacking a fan is worse than the United players shouting some things at Everton fans?

Can't condone either act but as they both happened surely Walker's reaction is worse.

[Rob]

Actually no. I think any fan who comes on to a pitch should be banned for life. Players could be at danger and Walker did the right then. I still remember when Peter Schmeichel threw some Turk like 20 yards into the 6th row at Old Trafford! :lol: Players should have a legal right to kick arse if fans enter the field. Nobody argues when fans jump barriers at wrestling shows and get battered.

[Dazz]

Yeah on Duff's return against Birmingham City 3 1/2 weeks ago, a fan ran on the pitch, and shook Duff's hand, and then slowy jogged away from three stewards, two gave up, and the one that kept chasing him fell over in the centre circle. Funny stuff, the bloke kept running, and ran off the pitch before he was finally caught. That fan could have punched Duff, kinifed him or anything, and the stewards were way too slow and couldn't stop it.

Ground security is rubbish.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yep, Walker would probably have a decent case for acting in self-defence

[Dazz]

Yeah, I dont think anyone could argue with Walkers actions, he probably felt under threat.

[packt up]

The only thing I can be arsed to say is Gary Neville is a dickend.

[toxic rooster]

dickend? :wtf:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Middlesborough, eh?

[Dazz]

Middlesborough, eh?

Yeah when it was 2-0, I thought it would be 4-2 to United. and then United Jobbed to Job. :cool: (I thought that sounded good anyway)

Chelsea with a deserved win also. :love:

Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Geremi, Cech, Joe Cole, Veron, Johnson, Kenyon, Abramovich.

Mutu and Duff were the only players we needed.

[Wengerland]

I thought Mutu was a waste a space today really.:$ In each of the last 3 Chelsea games i've seen he's missed at least 1 brilliant chance to score.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Joe Cole

Loan them to us :(

[Wengerland]

What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?

[Rob Ban Fan]

What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">nope not me, i only just got in :?:

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy. :cool:</font>

[Cactus Sid]

As for Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody has mentioned how he had a full Coke bottle thrown at him and the pictures were as clear as a beautiful summer day.

This is something for Everton to deal with, and the F.A to deal with Everton should they need to.

[Cactus Sid]

Actually no. I think any fan who comes on to a pitch should be banned for life. Players could be at danger and Walker did the right then. They should have a legal right to kick arse if fans enter the field. Nobody argues when fans jump barriers at wrestling shows and get battered.

Agreed.

[Dazz]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">nope not me, i only just got in :?:

If Chelsea had a decent winger i would've been cacking it tonight, the amount of space Gronkjaer had to make runs, luckily i knew he was shit and wouldn't pull anything off so it was all cushdy. :cool:</font>

Haha, you probably knew he was rubbish before I told you, but he did what I said he would.


What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz? Duff on the left wing, Gronkjaer on the right wing (Yeah I just dissed him, but when he hits form he is the man, if you saw the end of last season) Lampard attacking, and Petit defending.

Don't get me wrong, Makelelelelele is great, but what a waste of 16 million, he is 30 :|, and we didn't need him. We didn't know Cole or Veron yet we bought both. We have Forssell and Carlton Cole yet we sign two new attackers, only Mutu is good, Crepso DIVES.


And LOL at Forlans header against the bar. :lol: and your defence in general was a MESS. :rofl:

[Dazz]

Loan them to us :(

Well, we signed Smertin just to loan him to Pompey, I don't see why we wouldn't give you them.

[Cactus Sid]

Oh fu</>cking god. Hoddle is almost certainly going back to Southampton, Lowe just said you need to give people a second chance, he's spoken to Hoddle etc....

[The Mask]

Why?!

why the fu</>ck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.

[Ogen]

Good thing Hoddles going back otherwise they could have been a minor success and the premiership just wouldn't be the same in Southampton were consistently good.

[Danny Electric]

Eileen Drury will be happy, she can help the Southampton players now.

[Cactus Sid]

This is from the BBC about the Hoddle thing

[Saints confirm Hoddle talks


Southampton chairman Rupert Lowe has confirmed Glenn Hoddle is a candidate for the manager's job.
Lowe rejected suggestions he had bowed to fans pressure in dropping plans to bring Hoddle back to the club he walked out on three years ago.

But Lowe told a news conference Hoddle could still replace Gordon Strachan and he will not be swayed by fans.

Lowe said the popular choice was not always the right one and that people deserved a second chance.


Lowe had refused to be drawn on speculation but broke his silence on Thursday afternoon at a news conference.

His comments confirmed that he could still hold the door open for the former England manager.

Lowe is an admirer of Hoddle's coaching credentials and said: "He is a tremendous coach.

"We want somebody who can coach the excellent squad we have built up, to lead them and be tactically aware so instead of us going to Old Trafford and Highbury and losing narrowly, we win.

"Yes Glenn left this club under a cloud but if anyone should be bearing a grudge it is me as he put me through the mill (when he left).


"We are not under any time pressure to bring someone in"

Saints chairman Rupert Lowe



"It took me some time to find a solution and when we appointed Gordon Strachan we had a similar response from fans because of what had happened at Coventry.


"Glenn Hoddle remains an option. We have not done a U-turn - he could still be appointed manager.

"But I am not ruling anything in and I am not ruling anything out.

"I'm not going to appoint anyone who will rip this club apart as in the Ian Branfoot era.

"But regardless of whether he is the popular choice we will do what is right for this club."

At the weekend fans unveiled banners protesting against Hoddle replacing outgoing Strachan.

The strength of opinion against Hoddle's return even took in Southampton's MPs.

Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead said: "My immediate reaction is that this is not a good idea.

"I am not sure it is the right move."

John Denham, member for Southampton Itchen, said: "Hoddle managed to upset a lot of supporters when he left this club.

"He received huge support from them yet he couldn't bring himself to say anything nice about the club, the city or the fans when he left."

[Dazz]

Why?!

why the fu</>ck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.

See thats where your wrong. Lemme set the scene for all you Hoddle haters. It was the summer of '93, and Hoddle had been player manager for Swindon, and guided them to the premiership. Chelsea had just sacked Ian Portafield, and David Webb's temporary managerial contract was terminated, Stamford Bridge crowds were fairly low. We signed Hoddle, in the first year, we reached the F.A Cup final, (the score isn't important). As United were champions that season, Chelsea snuck into the UEFA Cup winners cup, and guess what happened that season, many fans came back, and the Bridge was full again, reaching the semi finals and then just going out to Zaragoza, who won the competition wasn't exactly bad. The season after, Hoddle brought in Gullit, for free, the best player Chelsea had seen in ages. Hoddle left the post at the end of the season, and Gullit took over, and brought in players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, and from their, Chelsea started on their road to success.

Since then we have been in the Champions League Quarter Final, and finished 3rd and 4th in the league, and whats more, Hoddle didn't have any money to flaunt around, he barely spent anything at us.

Anyone who tells you Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around is a moron.

He did well for England, losing to the Argies wasn't exactly unexpected, and the reason for his sacking is a disgrace, it wasn't footy related.

At Southampton, Hoddle started what Strachan continued, I think that he did a good job their too. The only club I think he has failed as a manager at is Tottenham, and lets face it, who was the last sucessful manager they had?

Swindon, Chelsea, England and Southampton, he never let any of them down. Just Spurs.

[Cactus Sid]

I'm only doubting his reappointment, he walked out on the club, left them high and dry, and now they wanna welcome him back with open arms, when he said "fu</>ck you" to them. I just think its stupid, and Rupert Lowe and Hoddle are gonna have a serious backlash.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If Lowe thinks the Saints fans don't have the right to feel aggrieved towards Hoddle he's an idiot

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39851000/jpg/_39851527_tackle_203x152gi.jpg

Was that the worst tackle in premiership history???

[Dazz]

No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.
I didn't hear the update on delaney, They thought he'd broken a leg. Whats the new on that then??

[Cactus Sid]

He hasn't broken his leg, but even so, that tackle was a disgrace

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Steve Stone some how managed to get a stress fracture in his leg while warming up yesterday and could be out for the whole season, Patrik Berger has done his knee in and could be out for the whol season, Teddy Sheringham has torn his hamstring and could be out for a month or so.

:| seriously, did they stage a mirror breaking competition at Fratton Park or something because the amount of injuries we've had this season is just stupid :|</font>

[Cactus Sid]

Its what happens to the lower clubs in the Premiership, they don't get any luck

[Rob]

Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

Anyone care to remember World Cup 98 and the fiasco leading up to it. He played Andy Hinchcliffe and Phil Neville constantly in the build up and then decided to go to France with only one left back in Greame Le Saux who ended up being England's worst player and everyone who on his case after the first game. He also ended up getting hurt.

He also fu</>cked around with Gazza big time before that tourney and the way he told him (as well as the others) they weren't in the squad was a disgrace.

He also was majorly critical of David Beckham before the championship and refused to play him half the time when everyone was begging to have him in. And when he did, he scored a cracker against Columbia. It was obvious he was jealous of Beckham too for some reason. Hoddle always took part in training and probably thought he was better still than his players and after Beckham screwed up one skill in practise, in front of everyone, Hoddle mocked him saying "obviously you are not good enough to do that". Tony Adams also went public in saying his treatment of Beckham after the red card was a total embarrassment (Adams went right up in my estamation too) being that he totally shunned him.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.

[Dazz]

Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.

Gullit spent nearly £10million on two players, if Hoddle had that kind of money, he could have acheived more. Gullit basically looked at the team, and then decided to bring in a new backbone, by signing LeBoeuf (2.5mil), Di Matteo (4.9mil), Zola (4.9mil).

If you want to talk about how Hoddle upset players, then must I remind you of Vialli and how upset he was under Gullit. All managers piss players off, not just Hoddle.

Strachan has NOT shown Hoddle up at Southampton, Hoddle laid the foundations of Southampton, had he stayed there I believe that he would have done a good job, better then Strachan. And ten points above relegation isn't exacly good. Wow, Strap-on got Southampton to the F.A Cup final, remind me who they played along the way.

And he was wrong to say what he did about disabled people, but its his opinion, he should get sacked for football matters, NOT off-pitch matters.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Dave Jones laid the foundations at Southampton :mad:

*sticks up for manager* :(

[Rob]

Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.

[Dazz]

Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.

Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.

[Dazz]

Dave Jones laid the foundations at Southampton :mad:

*sticks up for manager* :(

It was disgraceful that they sacked him before they were charged or anything, there was no reason to sack him.

[Rob]

Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.

I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final? :p

[Dazz]

I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final? :p

I cannot see how anyone can say he did not turn the club around, without Hoddle, there would be no Gullit, the only reason to say that Gullit turned us around is that with Hoddle we finished something like 13th every season, but givn the money Gullit had, Hoddle would have made us more of a force, maybe with different players, but regardless, IMO, Hoddle would have done just as good a job. I think that Hoddle did more for the club, but Gullit did a fantastic job.

If it was up to me, Abramovich would be out, Kenyon would fu</>ck off back to you, Batesy would be in charge, and either Hoddle or Gullit would be the manager.

As for the cup match, Kanchelskis DIVED. :rant:

[Rob]

You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well :D

[Dazz]

You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well :D

He did dodgy transfers for you. AND he is a United fan, so why come to Chelsea? for a fatter pocket no doubt. He can piss off if he is trying to upset Bates. He is never going to get over with the fans if he acts like a dick.

And as for the other three. It is still my belief, that the game would have turned out MUCH differently if you didnt get that second penalty. David Ellery should have listened to his lino, but instead he had to be a dick, he ruined the match. :yes:

[toxic rooster]

Hey did you hear the Arsenal fans on Tuesday night singing "Stand up if you hate Hoddle" in unison with the Southampton fans?

Classic :lol:

[Cactus Sid]

Strachan's quit :|

[Dazz]

Strachan's quit :|

Not suprising really.

[The Mask]

Hoddle might have had some success but he's a mediocre manager at very best. I thought swindon were up before 93 too cause I thought they were like the first team to go out of the premiership. I remember frazer digby being the worst keeper i'd ever seen, although I had a particular loathing for les sealey (RIP) at the time too. Whenever schmeichel got injured and he came on I knew we were fuc</>ked.

Hoddle might be able to lay foundations and give teams somewhat of a bulding ground but how much of that is pure luck? No team he's ever been in has been a real force, and I know you can say that about a lot of managers, but I just don't understand why chairmen would give the same old people jobs all over the place when they usually succeed in very little.

[Dazz]

No, they were in division one in the 1992/93 season, he got them promoted, and then left, and then they were rubbish, letting 100 goals and all.

Everyone has opinions, and mine is that the only team that Hoddle failed at was spurs, and they haven't had a good manager in ages.

There are only two managers I would welcome back to Chelsea, Hoddle or Gullit, I would much rather have either of them then Ranieri.

[The Mask]

what's wrong with ranieri? :$

he's funny as f</>uck :'(

[Dazz]

what's wrong with ranieri? :$

he's funny as f</>uck :'(

You actually want to know whats wrong with him? well:

Firstly - He has signed players he didnt even want this season, I said this at the start of the season, when Ferguson sold Beckham, he was expecting to sign Ronaldinho, and then that collapsed, instead of panicking and buying someone, Ferguson left it how it was because there was no one he wanted, he them sold ANOTHER midfielder (Veron), and he never replaced either of them. When Ranieri failed at signed Vieri, Henry and Raul, he bought Mutu, but that was because he couldn't get the others, not becuse he really wanted Mutu, he buys players on the spot if he cant get him man.

He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

He released England under 21s first choice keeper, and brought in rejects like Sullivan, Macho and Ambrosio. Sold Leon Knight, who was great for the reserves, and has been good for Brighton.

He gets tactics all wrong, and plays players int he wrong position.

Because he has the money he spends it, on worthless crap we don't need.

He doesn't realise that the way to get players to hit form is to play them regulary, its not suprising that our best three players have been Cudicini, Terry and Lampard. He rotates it way too much. We will never even come second with him incharge.

[The Mask]

I'd still have him over glenn "anderton over beckham" hoddle :p

lol, i just called him glenn waddle there :$

[Wengerland]

I remember Hoddle for the 93 play off final: Swindon 4 Leicester 3 after we had come back from 3-0 down.:'(Classic match though.:drool:

[Danny Electric]

Strachan's quit :|

Just reading about it on Sky Sports. It's a shame that it got leaked out that he was leaving early because this has happened.

[Wengerland]

Good for Strachan really,i mean they said they may not wait 'till the end of the season to replace him so why not go now?

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">and a former pompey player takes over in charge :cool:

oh and Gary Neville :nono: :(</font>

[Frank Grimes Jnr]

He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

.

To be fair Dazz, he hasn't had the oppurtunity to play Veron, thank God for that. But I think you're being harsh with what you said about Bridge. I think he was a great buy and hes probably been Chelseas most consistent defender after Terry. Remember he is an England international.

And also, Geremi was just reaching good form until he got injured.

[Dazz]

Are you shitting me? Bridge has played TWO good games all season, Portsmouth at home, and Portsmouth away. You ask ANY Chelsea season ticket holder and they will tell you how crap he is. He doesn't mark anyone until they have the ball, and then runs to them, by the time he gets their they've crossed it or something. Gallas has been equally as good as Terry this season. And being more consistant then Baba, Melchiot or Johnson doesn't state much, Desailly is past it. Stanic for left back, he is great there. Being England's left back isn't a big acheivement, Phil Neville is shit at left back, and Ashley Cole, well, is a tosser, and Bridge isnt first choice left back.

Geremi hasn't hit good form in the Prmiership since last season for Middlesborough, he scored one great goal and thats all he has done, seriously, utter SHIT.

When he did have the oppertunity to play Veron, he was always shit, he had a good start to the season, but then he just kept passing to the other team, has THE WORST shots and in general brings nothing to the club.

[Cactus Sid]

I have to say, Geremi is shockingly bad

Veron IMO is past it, he would be out of place in the Chelsea midfield

Disagree with Bridge though, the guy is quality going forward, and puts in a lot of effort, but I have to say his marking and tracking leave a lot to be desired

[Razor Rybek]

Veron-Worst Signing Ever :n:

[Rob]

We'll gladly have Seba Veron back then :p

[Danny Electric]

The thing is that it's going to take more time for the team to gel and this has been seen by soem of the Chelsea performances. Like yesterday against Chelsea, that game was theirs for the taking but Arsenal came together as a team.
The problem with Chelsea is that they brought too many players.
Lol at Makalele in the papers yesterday moaning at Ranieri for not being rested.

[Wengerland]

Yeah i used to stick up for Makelele because i thought he did a good job at Real,but i gotta admit he seems sligtly over rated now i see him play more often.

[Dazz]

Makelele was our second best signing :|. He is great, he doesn't get the props he deserves, he allows Lampard to attack more, he holds it back, and RARELY makes mistakes, Leeds is the only one that comes to mind.

The gelling thing I totally agree with, I always said that last season we came 4th because we bought in one player on loan, and signed no one. We plays well together because we knew each others shit. Same as the Arse this season.

Seriously though, if any wants Veron, you would be doing us a really huge favour, he is wank wank wank.

Bridge is rubbish at defending, so surely if anything he should play left midfield, and I do think he would be better there.

[The Comet Kid]

I was delighted when Veron left us to go to Chelsea, still cant believe we got 15m for him.

Though when we missed out on Duff and Ronaldinho we signed Ronaldo a year a head of schedule to make up for it. Good thing we did aswell because the right side of mid field would have been a disaster if we hadnt.

Ranieri hasnt always bought well and his substitutions arent always great but I think that part of that is because of the pressure to succeed. He has basically a limitless cash flow to fund his team so he couldnt just sign no one in the summer. And he did buy a few too many players (Veron, Geremi, goalkeepers didnt need to be signed) and he bought a few players that arent good enough (Bridge and again Veron) but I think if Chelsea came out and said that his job was safe this season and he sold more than he bought this summer then his team selections would be more consistent and the team would have a better chance of competing for the premiership.

He needs to get rid of some of the goalkeepers especially with Cech on his way, and some midfielders and strikers sign one or two quality defenders and a right sided midfielder andhe'd be better off.

[Dazz]

Yes, i 100% agree with the above post. ^

I have always said that Ranieri buys players needlessly, and should take Fergie's approach of only signing players he has been tracking.

I also agree that Ranieri signs these players because he has never been sure on his future, and he thinks that without spending so much, he wont get asgood results. I wish they gave him a limit for players, even if they didnt intend for him to stick to it, it would at least encourage him to think more before spending.

[Danny Electric]

I think that Bridge is a good player, but he has to do alot of work on his defending.
If I was Veron I'd go back to Italy because that style of game suited him where he could just slow it down and take control. The english game is too high tempo for him.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Can we borrow Joe Cole please? :wavesad:

[Dazz]

Yeah he was better in Italy. I was really pleased that we signed him, because I thought that he was rubbish int he first season, but he was just settling in, the second season he should have been better, and he had something to prove in his third season, and that he would be good. I guess I was wrong.

[Dazz]

Can we borrow Joe Cole please? :wavesad:

We don't need him. But I like him. Who knows though, our second best attacker is loaned out at Birmingham, Ranieri might let you have him.

[Razor Rybek]

Makelele, Petit, Duff, Parker

oohhh now thats a midfield!

[Dazz]

Makelele, Petit, Duff, Parker

oohhh now thats a midfield!

why not Gronkjaer, Lampard, Cole and Geremi? and what about Super Mario Stanic?

and Makelele and Petit play the same role. We don't wanna play defensive down the middle. :nono:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

We don't need him. But I like him. Who knows though, our second best attacker is loaned out at Birmingham, Ranieri might let you have him.

Seriously, I love Ranieri and all, but if he lets Forssell go he's lost his marbles.

[Dazz]

I know, I was pissed off that he let Birmingham keep him till the end of the season. Get rid of Eidur, keep Forssell. We don't need Jimmy anymore, he is fat, slow, lazy, and adds nothing, gone are the days when he will score 30 yarders, he is also afraid to shoot with his left foot. :mad: I really will hate Ranieri if he sells Forssell.

[Razor Rybek]

why not Gronkjaer, Lampard, Cole and Geremi? and what about Super Mario Stanic?

and Makelele and Petit play the same role. We don't wanna play defensive down the middle. :nono:


****,forgot lampard!! right now, he's the nuts!!

I Like Petit,i liked him at arsenal and i still like him now, he works hard without reward

Gronkjaer is too erratic in form for my liking, his consistency is improving now though

picking a chelsea midfield is nie on impossible, i'm glad it aint my job

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Sell Hasselbaink to Leicester.

Sell Gronkjaer to Blackburn.

Give us Joe Cole on a free.

Bingo, problem solved :$

[Dazz]

I odn't want any of them going to other premiership teams.





Oh yeah, my bad, I forgot that when the window opens only Blackburn will be a Premiership team. :p

[Dazz]

****,forgot lampard!! right now, he's the nuts!!

I Like Petit,i liked him at arsenal and i still like him now, he works hard without reward

Gronkjaer is too erratic in form for my liking, his consistency is improving now though

picking a chelsea midfield is nie on impossible, i'm glad it aint my job
Yeah I know.

Gronkjaer isn't improving though. But he is way too spoilt for choice in the middle. I like Manu, but he is a big girl, Makelele and Lamps are our best central players at the moment, I'd stick Joey Cole out right, and Duff out left.

[Razor Rybek]

Sell Hasselbaink to MILLWALL, Imagine Dichio and Jimmy upfront, man i think i just orgasamed! :cool:

[Dazz]

I wouldn't put it past Wisey to try and get him.

Also, MMM, I remember that you were linked with Jimmy last summer. You probably need him more then us.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

You can be so cruel Dazz :'(

Besides what would we need a slow lumbering striker who doesn't score many goals for. We've got Carl Cort for god's sake :$

[Dazz]

Sorry. :kiss:

And Jimmy is our top scorer actually, but i still dislike him, he doesn't do anything.

[Wengerland]

Makelele was our second best signing :|. He is great, he doesn't get the props he deserves, he allows Lampard to attack more, he holds it back, and RARELY makes mistakes, Leeds is the only one that comes to mind.

You listed him as one of the signings that weren't needed though? :-\

[Wengerland]

Sell Hasselbaink to Leicester.

Sell Gronkjaer to Blackburn.

Give us Joe Cole on a free.

Bingo, problem solved :$

We should have Cole and you have Hasselbaink,we've got 3 fairly inform forwards and you appear to have none other than Ganea.:$

Plus you have Rae and Ince,who seem to be doing well. :rant:

I reckon Jimmy will go to Barcelona at the end of the season as Kluivert will probably leave them.

[Dazz]

Makelele wasn't a good signing because he is 30, and cost £16million.

I doubt Barca will want Jimmy, I think he will move back to Spain, but not one of the bigger clubs.

[Wengerland]

Actually i reckon Makelele was a good buy,maybe slightly over priced but he is in the top 2 of what he does in the world,possibly behind Vieira.

Anyway seeing as you got the money and he does a good job for the team i would say no worries,30 is quite old but if Petit can still do a decent job in that position then Makelele can be good for another few years.

[Dazz]

Yes, but 16 million, I would pay 10 million maximum, Petit is very good there, but is always injured.

I just think we should have signed someone cheaper.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

We should have Cole and you have Hasselbaink,we've got 3 fairly inform forwards and you appear to have none other than Ganea.:$

Plus you have Rae and Ince,who seem to be doing well. :rant:

I reckon Jimmy will go to Barcelona at the end of the season as Kluivert will probably leave them.

Sir Les is retiring. Just like Micky Adams, not thinking ahead for the future, I don't know :nono:

I dunno, I kinda have hope that Cort can catch some kind of form...I remember when he was at Wimbledon, him and Euell made a really good partnership. Needs to happen soon though :-\

[Wengerland]

Yeah i know,Lee Morris is meant to have been signed for the future but he's nowhere near Les' quality,looks like the club see our future in division 1.

I'd rather see him play Tomi Petrescu if we go down,he's looking a good youngster and has been the man on champ manager for me.Then there's Louis Dodds but i guess thats slightly biased as i was in the same schoolboy team as him,:$

[Dazz]

Relation of Dan Petrescu?

[Wengerland]

Nah i doubt it,this one's Finnish.

[Dazz]

:|

[Wengerland]

What?