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jnb3599
03-07-2005, 10:12 PM
was wondering if you guys could offer some help....

i have been watching wrestling since i was 8, but i never watched wcw until 95. I was just thinking how about every wrestler who has been in the business a substantial amount of time( say 5 years) has been both a heel and a face at some point. Is there anyone who was around awhile who never turned one way or the other?

The Ultimate Warrior never became a heel did he?
Has Sting Always been a face?
any other u guys can think of, they dont have to be main eventers but big names in the big 2 companies who never switched?
Otherside
03-07-2005, 11:45 PM
I believe Warrior was always a face when he was Warrior, excluding his time as one of the BladeRunners.

Sting was a heel near the end of WCW when he was feuding with Hogan. The turn didn't work out.

Not sure if Bob Holly has ever switched. Not that anyone would care.
Kapoutman
03-08-2005, 12:27 AM
Holly did switch.

Steamboat never switched to my knowledge.
jnb3599
03-08-2005, 02:25 AM
steamboat you are probably right on, what about tito santana? always a face? Greg Valentine? always a heel? One Man Gang? did anyone care?
LK
03-09-2005, 04:54 PM
Had a big discussion about this a while back and I think that it was concluded that Steamboat was the only guy that didn't switch from face to heel or vice versa.
Anybody Thrilla
03-09-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm pretty sure Greg Valentine was a face at one point.
Mr. JL
03-09-2005, 05:12 PM
Rey Mysterio has always been a face by my count.
Loose Cannon
03-09-2005, 05:23 PM
He was heel in WCW.

Valentine was face a couple of times.

It's onlY Steamboat and Santana
Maluco
03-09-2005, 06:14 PM
Million Dollar Man never turned face did he?
Loose Cannon
03-09-2005, 06:18 PM
Yes in WCW and in his mid-south/NWA days
jnb3599
03-10-2005, 12:45 PM
anyone know the exact years of steamboats and santanas WWF runs respectively? and the years steamboat was in WCW? thats a big deal i think in wrestling for a guy like steamboat. As many runs as he had to never swap
Fignuts
03-10-2005, 12:51 PM
I was always a heel in my backyard fed.
Hitman84
03-21-2005, 11:04 AM
Does Bret Hart's 1997 'heel turn' count, considering he was a face in Canada and Europe, but not in the US?

Given this, I consider Bret Hart to have been a tweener during his last months in WWF. What do we think?
Disturbed316
03-21-2005, 11:25 AM
Bret was heel in WCW.
DaveBrawl
03-21-2005, 12:40 PM
That last Sting heel run turned out to be more like a Steve Austin face run. I mean no matter what the guy did or said he would get cheered. I mean he would hit someone with a bat, tell people to shut up, whatever, the fans just loved Sting and wouldn't boo him.
Iceman90
03-22-2005, 12:11 AM
Big Show has always been talentless...sorry, that isn't what we are talking about.
What about Bossman? Was he ever a face?
I can't recall Jeff Jarrett as a face, or Bischoff or The Coach.

I beat you all!! J.R. has never been a heel! Bawgawd!
Xero
03-22-2005, 08:30 AM
Big Show has always been talentless...sorry, that isn't what we are talking about.
What about Bossman? Was he ever a face?
I can't recall Jeff Jarrett as a face, or Bischoff or The Coach.

I beat you all!! J.R. has never been a heel! Bawgawd!
It could be argued that Bischoff is face now...

Also, JR has been heel, so BAHGAWD to that.
Hitman84
03-22-2005, 02:21 PM
Bret was heel in WCW.

I know he was - I'm referring to his last few months in WWF, when he turned heel in the US but was still a face in Canada and Europe. Given this, I'd consider Bret as a tweener in his last few months in WWF.

What do we think?
Disturbed316
03-22-2005, 05:07 PM
:o oh right

BTW The Coach was face, before he teamed up with Bischoff in WWE. Bischoff was face in his early WCW days, when he was just that pussy announcer and when the Hall and Nash first came to WCW. I'm also pretty sure Bossman was a face too.
McLegend
03-22-2005, 05:15 PM
Big Show has always been talentless...sorry, that isn't what we are talking about.
What about Bossman? Was he ever a face?
I can't recall Jeff Jarrett as a face, or Bischoff or The Coach.

I beat you all!! J.R. has never been a heel! Bawgawd!
Yeah JR has been heel. Rememember when he brought in Fake Razor and Fake Diesel?

He was a heel then.
Disturbed316
03-22-2005, 05:38 PM
Also when he came back with "Dr Death" Steve Williams after his facial paralysis thing.
Iceman90
03-23-2005, 12:35 AM
BAHGAWD! You've foiled me!

What about Gillberg?
KayfabeMan
03-23-2005, 05:24 AM
The Coach was face, before he teamed up with Bischoff in WWE. Bischoff was face in his early WCW days, when he was just that announcer and when the Hall and Nash first came to WCW. I'm also pretty sure Bossman was a face too.


Coach and Bischoff were definitely face announcers / personalities like you said. Bossman was also a MAJOR face for quite some time. He was marketed out of the wazoo in WWF, and after that went on to WCW to play heel (as Big Bubba Rogers) and face again (as The Boss and The Guardian Angel and then as Ray Traylor).

Anyone remember his WWF feud with Nailz and also Heenan's group? Face.
KayfabeMan
03-23-2005, 05:26 AM
What about Gillberg?

Gillberg has worked heel back when he was just Duane Gill. He also worked face then too, but that happens when you are an enhancement talent for 98% of your career.
Drakul
03-23-2005, 06:22 AM
I bet Kayfabeman is Gillberg :shifty:
Disturbed316
03-23-2005, 11:39 AM
Coach and Bischoff were definitely face announcers / personalities like you said. Bossman was also a MAJOR face for quite some time. He was marketed out of the wazoo in WWF, and after that went on to WCW to play heel (as Big Bubba Rogers) and face again (as The Boss and The Guardian Angel and then as Ray Traylor).

Anyone remember his WWF feud with Nailz and also Heenan's group? Face.

The Cop vs The Prisioner :cool:
KayfabeMan
03-23-2005, 12:58 PM
I bet Kayfabeman is Gillberg :shifty:

If I were Gillberg, would I have the time to even post here?


:shifty:
KayfabeMan
03-23-2005, 01:03 PM
The Cop vs The Prisoner :cool:

He also feuded with The Repo Man, who of course, used his power of repo to unfairly take everything from everyone in the United States. Kinda like George W. Bush :shifty:
Nowhere Man
03-23-2005, 01:37 PM
Rick Rude was never a face, as far as I know.
Loose Cannon
03-23-2005, 02:02 PM
Yea, he was babyface in Georgia Championship Wrestling and I think in WCW for a little while.
Iceman90
03-23-2005, 05:28 PM
HA! I got one!

Bull Buchanan!

Screw his B2 gimmick, because it never got over. We all hated him always!
KayfabeMan
03-24-2005, 02:36 AM
Rick Rude was also a face in ECW for a time, before pulling a heel turn there.

If anyone remembers, he used to do commentary with Joey Styles before being part of a storyline with Jerry Lawler, Rob Van Dam and others (from that whole 'WWF invasion' angle).
KayfabeMan
03-24-2005, 02:58 AM
Shark Boy has never been a heel before in his career.

Although there is currently an evil Shark Boy in BPW that he feuds with.
The Naitch
03-24-2005, 10:08 PM
Has Nikolai Volkov ever a face? I watched the 1992 Rumble last night and noticed he had an American flag along with his Russian flag on his trunks. Plus he was smiling as he ran down to the ring
Iceman90
03-25-2005, 01:29 AM
Has Nikolai Volkov ever a face? I watched the 1992 Rumble last night and noticed he had an American flag along with his Russian flag on his trunks. Plus he was smiling as he ran down to the ring

Heels can't be happy?
KayfabeMan
03-25-2005, 03:15 AM
Nikolai Volkoff was indeed face for a time.

I believe once before playing the heel he was face, but also in the early 90's he was face before joining the Million Dollar Corporation with DiBiase, Tatanka, Bundy, IRS & the whole lot of them. He sold out to send money back to his family, who was hurting in the horrible economy of Russia.
KayfabeMan
03-25-2005, 03:18 AM
Lash LeRoux has always been a face & Kid Romeo has also always been a heel.
Iceman90
03-25-2005, 12:51 PM
HHH has always had a long nose.
KayfabeMan
03-26-2005, 04:31 AM
Which instantly makes him a heel.
KayfabeMan
03-26-2005, 04:49 AM
What about Steve Blackman too? I just remembered his name for some reason, and I don't really ever recall him being full-on heel. I know that he and Shamrock feuded & Steve was sort of heel, but was he ever officially a heel heel?

Either way I guess that counts, just thought I'd ask that, since it's bothering me.
The Mackem
03-26-2005, 10:19 AM
I would say so, wasn't he an ally of the Corporation at one point plus he also beat up Mr Cheese. The bastard.
Xero
03-26-2005, 10:31 AM
I would say so, wasn't he an ally of the Corporation at one point plus he also beat up Mr Cheese. The bastard.
That's Chester McCheesington to you! :shifty:

Seriously, though, I think I do remember him being with the corporation at one point, but I don't think that he joined and I don't know whether he was heel or face...
Loose Cannon
03-29-2005, 04:45 PM
Romeo was babyface in TNA.

Almost positive Blackman was a heel in WWF.
KayfabeMan
03-29-2005, 05:26 PM
Ah, that's right. Good ole' TNA.

Let's take a former WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Champion, and a really solid talent, and turn him into squash material for guys who should be working as squash material.

:y:
James Steele
03-29-2005, 06:57 PM
WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Champion :rofl:
KayfabeMan
03-30-2005, 04:21 AM
Hey, he and Elix Skipper as a tag team was :y:

They had some awesome ass matches with AJ Styles / Air Paris, Rey Jr. & Kidman, The Jung Dragons and a bunch of others. Both are good talents on their own, and as a tag team :y: If you think about it, the idea of those Tag Titles were a little off back then, but they were actually the predecessor of TNA's X-Division Title, as they put the spot-light on the cruisers, and allowed more of them on television at a time for a reason.