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DaveWadding
12-09-2003, 09:05 PM
Big stuff from today (Dec. 9th):

My boy Bartolo (Colon) is now an Angel.
Everyday Eddie is a Mariner through 2006
Tim Worrell signed with the Phils.

Discuss and stuff.

PsychoSport
12-09-2003, 09:09 PM
Boo I wanted the Jays to get Worrell. How much did he sign for?

Supreme Olajuwon
12-09-2003, 09:17 PM
Sheffield apparently pissed Steinbrenner off by asking for more money and now he may not sign with the Yanks

Gertner
12-09-2003, 09:22 PM
the Jays signed Kerry Lightenberg. Ah well, he's better than what they've got now.

Loose Cannon
12-09-2003, 09:28 PM
I was actually surprised by Eddie signing with the Mariners. I was thought the Twins would do everything they had to do to sign him since they got rid of Milton and Hawkins. And I still think Sheffield will come to the Yanks even though that jackass wants more money. Sorry

I've been hearing a tun of rumors about Nomar and A-Rod these past few days. I heard the Angels, if they got Colon and they did, would trade Washurn and Kennedy to Boston for Nomar if Boston traded Manny Ramirez for A-Rod.

Yashamaga
12-09-2003, 10:08 PM
boston doesn't want washburn. thay trade will not happen.

If the A-rod thing goes down I will be happy, but if it doesn't I'll be ok with that too. Manny may not be a good clubhouse guy but he's productive. and Nomar deserves better treatment then he's getting, he's done alot for us.

PsychoSport
12-09-2003, 10:12 PM
I really don't see why everyone wants the Red Sox to revamp their team and possibly screw up chemistry by bringing in A-Rod and such, they were pretty close last year. Keep the boys together, I say.

Loose Cannon
12-09-2003, 10:14 PM
I really don't see why everyone wants the Red Sox to revamp their team and possibly screw up chemistry by bringing in A-Rod and such, they were pretty close last year. Keep the boys together, I say.

Yeah their pretty close EVERY YEAR arean't they. ;)

DaveWadding
12-09-2003, 10:20 PM
boston doesn't want washburn. thay trade will not happen.


Okay, Theo.

TheJShow
12-09-2003, 10:43 PM
the Jays signed Kerry Lightenberg. Ah well, he's better than what they've got now.
Lightenberg was a good pickup for the Jays

BCWWF
12-09-2003, 11:45 PM
Why would Eddie Guardado sign with the Mariners? Of course I am bitter that he was a crybaby and didn't resign with the team that made him (And LaTroy) but he didn't want to go to Boston because he wasn't offered the closing spot, so why would he go to a team with Hasegawa, Sasaki, Benitez, and Rhodes (For now). At least sign somewhere where you can be good. Anyway, Miz you win this one. Eddie isnt a great pitcher, but he can get the job done. Just dont make him cry like the Twins did

BCWWF
12-09-2003, 11:46 PM
Also, be careful, VEL might get jealous and try to overtake this thread with one of his own...

JK VEL, good riddance

Supreme Olajuwon
12-09-2003, 11:58 PM
what are you talking about

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-10-2003, 12:04 AM
If the A-rod thing goes down I will be happy, but if it doesn't I'll be ok with that too. Manny may not be a good clubhouse guy but he's productive. and Nomar deserves better treatment then he's getting, he's done alot for us.
wow yash actaully said something that made sense about the Red Sox

DegenerationY
12-10-2003, 12:15 AM
The Giants bid goodbye to eight free-agent players Sunday, including shortstop Rich Aurilia, a hot property this offseason who had been with San Francisco since 1995.
The club also declined to offer arbitration to reliever Tim Worrell, catcher Benito Santiago, pitcher Sidney Ponson, outfielders Marvin Benard and Jose Cruz Jr., first baseman Andres Galarraga and second baseman Eric Young.


WTF NO

They keep Snow and get rid of Aurilia, Cruz Jr and Worrell?

GOD DAMMIT the giants are going to suck next year :'(

DaveWadding
12-10-2003, 01:10 AM
The Giants bid goodbye to eight free-agent players Sunday, including shortstop Rich Aurilia, a hot property this offseason who had been with San Francisco since 1995.
The club also declined to offer arbitration to reliever Tim Worrell, catcher Benito Santiago, pitcher Sidney Ponson, outfielders Marvin Benard and Jose Cruz Jr., first baseman Andres Galarraga and second baseman Eric Young.


WTF NO

They keep Snow and get rid of Aurilia, Cruz Jr and Worrell?

GOD DAMMIT the giants are going to suck next year :'(
5 words: Jason Schmidt and Barry Bonds.

Corkscrewed
12-10-2003, 05:54 AM
I wish Vlad would sign with the Angels, but I guess we've already spent our big money. We need a RF too, since Salmon is getting a bit old and could benefit by being DH.

Of course, Mr. Viagra Salesman (aka Rafael Palmiero) is interested in Anaheim, and we need a 1B too, so that'd be cool.

DaveWadding
12-10-2003, 12:09 PM
Why would Eddie Guardado sign with the Mariners? Of course I am bitter that he was a crybaby and didn't resign with the team that made him (And LaTroy) but he didn't want to go to Boston because he wasn't offered the closing spot, so why would he go to a team with Hasegawa, Sasaki, Benitez, and Rhodes (For now). At least sign somewhere where you can be good. Anyway, Miz you win this one. Eddie isnt a great pitcher, but he can get the job done. Just dont make him cry like the Twins did
You're a dumbass. Benitez is an FA and Rhodes wasn't offered arbitraition.

Loose Cannon
12-10-2003, 02:47 PM
I just read that Fernando Vina signed with the Tigers. I think its a very good pickup for a team like the Tigers, who have no all-start callibar players on tier team at all right now. Vina is not the best second baseman in the world, but he is a very good addition to any team. He can put up good numbers as a leadoff or 2nd spot hitter.

You can read the full story here :http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1682929

DaveWadding
12-10-2003, 03:02 PM
Cubs shoulda signed Vina and let Grudzielanek go..

VonErich Lives
12-10-2003, 04:43 PM
Also, be careful, VEL might get jealous and try to overtake this thread with one of his own...

JK VEL, good riddance
Another post by you, and another day of laughter...

Really, when I have a bad day, I just look for one of your posts, too bad I'm laughing at you, not with you.

VonErich Lives
12-10-2003, 04:47 PM
ok... A-rod for Manny is a good deal. How does this hurt the chemistry? Manny is a cancer in the clubhouse and A-rod isn't.

Nomar been treated fine, you never put the player before the team. You never tell a player "He, we might trade for a SS and when we might trade you"

Heck, he turned down 15mil a year for 4 years.

Then the market tanked, so now he's putting on a media blitz to try and get his money. That's all.

Good player, yes... Better then A-rod? Never.

Manny 20mil + Nomar 10-15mil. Pays for A-rod, plus A-rod has gone to MLBPA to discuss a restructure of his contract.

BCWWF
12-10-2003, 04:53 PM
Its not as much the skills of the players, because clearly A-Rod is a better player than Nomar, and the Red Sox would benefit by making these moves. Its the fact that the people of Boston will shit bricks if Nomar is traded.

Loose Cannon
12-10-2003, 05:52 PM
Its not as much the skills of the players, because clearly A-Rod is a better player than Nomar, and the Red Sox would benefit by making these moves. Its the fact that the people of Boston will shit bricks if Nomar is traded.

Yeah your very right. I'm a Yankees fan, but if I were a Red Sox fan :lol: , I would be really pissed if they traded Nomar. Nomar is the leader, captain, and pride of the Red Sox IMO, and he's one of those guys I can't see on any other team other then Boston. Its like Jeter with the Yankees. I could never see him playing for another team and If he were to get traded I would be shocked and furious.

VonErich Lives
12-10-2003, 07:24 PM
Actually, most the fans are more then happy to make this move.

While nomar has done some good charity work, he's always been viewed as someone who doesn't really enjoy it here and can't handle the pressure. He hides from the press, he chokes in the big games.

That all being said, most people seem to be fine with the idea, especially where it means moving Manny.

Especially now, the only time Nomar has ever "reached out" was a clearly BS PR move, calling into a local Radio Station. Plus his agent tried using the press and they both got bitch-slapped by John Henry.

Nomar and agent "Waaaahh... no one talks to us, no one tells us what's going on, they don't want' us here"

Henry "Well, we offered him 60million over 4 years and he turned it down, so we need to explore other options"

and Nomars call was such crap, he kept saying how he didn't know where people go the idea he didn't want to be here, yet never said he did. He was asked questions like "If the Sox get A-rod, would you be willing to try 2nd or 3rd" and he dodged the question "I can't really speak on that, since the Red Sox haven't told me what's going on"

anyway, I've always been a Nomar fan... but he's looking like a real ass like now. If it's all because of his agent he should fire him. Turning down 4 years at 15mil a year in Spring Training was stupid, everyone saw a market correction coming.

The Outlaw
12-10-2003, 10:40 PM
Nomar is the man.

:y:

YOUR Hero
12-10-2003, 11:20 PM
Jays are looking at Ponson. Come on Jays..

Loose Cannon
12-10-2003, 11:56 PM
Jays are looking at Ponson. Come on Jays..

I don't know about Ponson. I think he was just a one year wonder if you ask me. But Baltimore seems to be building a nice little team up there and I'm convinced thier going to sign Guerrero or even Pudge, so I don't know if they should let Ponson go just yet. But the Blue Jays could use a decent arm, so he would be a nice addition to follow Mr. Cy Young, Roy Halladay.

The Icon of Elisim
12-10-2003, 11:59 PM
They let Ponson go when they traded him to the Giants

Loose Cannon
12-11-2003, 12:01 AM
They let Ponson go when they traded him to the Giants

Yeah sorry, I just went to check cause I thought he was traded from San Fran to Baltimore, but it was the other way around. I don't know what I was thinking. But yeah I think he would fit better on the Jays then the Giants right now.

BCWWF
12-11-2003, 12:12 AM
I feel bad for Baltimore. Its shitty, especially this year, cause they will probably get Vlad and/or maybe Pudge or Javi and spend some money, but they really have no chance of getting into the playoffs.

BCWWF
12-11-2003, 12:16 AM
Anyway, there is a very slim chance that the Twins might sign Urbina. His agents contacted them right after word that Eddie went to Seattle came out. I doubt that will go anywhere though, he may fit in will with the team but his salary is a bit high for the Twins.

There was also some talk of looking into Mike Williams, but I doubt that too. He just wasn't really good on Philly last year. I dont know, at least the papers label it slim.

The Twins closer is totally up in the air. We have Nathan who is most likely, then JC Romero, and then there is a prospect who could be called up. He is supposed to still have a year down in the minors though, that'd suck to rush him.

The Outlaw
12-11-2003, 01:08 AM
I feel bad for Baltimore. Its shitty, especially this year, cause they will probably get Vlad and/or maybe Pudge or Javi and spend some money, but they really have no chance of getting into the playoffs.

Why do you think this?

Also, :lol: @ Sheffield wanting more money.

I figured ole George would have forked over the money like he always does. But word is now that they made a call to Vlad's agent. :eek:

VonErich Lives
12-11-2003, 06:43 AM
Why do you think this?

Also, :lol: @ Sheffield wanting more money.

I figured ole George would have forked over the money like he always does. But word is now that they made a call to Vlad's agent. :eek:

Yeah, I hope Sheff does the deal, I'd rather see Sheff there then Vlad. (I say this being a Sox fan) :)

Bad Guy
12-11-2003, 07:18 AM
I think the Tigers can win 40 games next year. :shifty: :rofl:

TheJShow
12-11-2003, 12:16 PM
I think the Tigers can win 40 games next year. :shifty: :rofl:

:lol:

VonErich Lives
12-11-2003, 01:12 PM
Isn't there talk of the Tigers going after Tejada?

MoRcHeEbA
12-11-2003, 01:18 PM
yeah, but Tejada doesn't want to go there anyways. haha but they're offering him some money to go there or soemthign though.

Loose Cannon
12-11-2003, 01:33 PM
The Tigers should worry about pitching before going after someone like Tejada. I mean I unserstand they want a franchise player on thier team, but if one of your best pitchers is Nate Cornejo, you have a problem.

TheJShow
12-11-2003, 01:44 PM
sounds like Tejada might end up on the Red Sox if the deal with A-Rod doesn't go through.

Nomar may be too pissed to want to stay. :meh:

VonErich Lives
12-11-2003, 02:18 PM
Nomar turned down 15mil a year... Nomar is under contract for next season, he doesn't have much of a say in it.

I think Detroit figures Tejada will put some butts in the seats, I thought I heard Seattle offered Tejada around 8-9mil/year. Last I heard Detroit is willing to top anyone, the question is does he want money or money and a chance to win a championship.

If Tejada gets say 10mil a year, Nomar won't get no 15mil.

DegenerationY
12-11-2003, 03:32 PM
The Giants got rid of Ponson after they realized that he did not fit with the Giants.

He was pretty bad, and I think he would only be decent in the AL.

The Outlaw
12-11-2003, 04:04 PM
....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer. :y:

VonErich Lives
12-11-2003, 04:22 PM
....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer. :y:

The reports from ESPN was Sheffield did his own contract, then read it over and realised when all was said/done he'd only be getting like 8-9mil a year.

I think the questions are around interest on deferred money.

Bad Guy
12-11-2003, 04:35 PM
if one of your best pitchers is Nate Cornejo, you have a problem.

:mad: :nono:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-11-2003, 04:56 PM
....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer. :y: It was so funny when the crowd was going "Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyylllllllllle darrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyylllllleeeeeeeeee" whenever DJ got into the game.

BCWWF
12-11-2003, 10:19 PM
I heard there was some talk of Florida being interested in Vlad? That would be cool but I don't think its very credible.

As for my comment up there about Baltimore, I just think it kind of sucks for them because they got a bunch of money to spend right at the time when Boston and New York do too. So adding a few good players to Baltimore now still would be almost impossible to beat both New York and Boston, or even one of them. If they can start winning again it will help them a lot, but this is going to be like the hardest year in a while to win the AL East. And especially with Boston the Wildcard would be hard too. Anyway, go Orioles!

The Outlaw
12-12-2003, 05:06 AM
It was so funny when the crowd was going "Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyylllllllllle darrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyylllllleeeeeeeeee" whenever DJ got into the game.

yeah that was crazy.

Did you see his dunk? SICKKKK

VonErich Lives
12-12-2003, 02:46 PM
Everyone thinks Vlad ends up in Baltimore, and Baltimore gets a good price for a great player. They have money to spend and the big spenders NY and Bos, won't be going after him.

A-Rod says theres a lot of smoke but no fire. He thinks he'll be in Texas.

I'd expect him to say that, he's a smart player and knows if he doesn't get delt, he can't piss of the Texas fans, because it kills his endorsment value.

He knows he has a better chance to win and make more money on endorsements, in Boston.

That being said, there's talk that the Dodgers are going after Nomar and if the Sox don't get A-rod, they will still deal Nomar (keep Manny) and go after Tejada.

Gertner
12-12-2003, 06:22 PM
jays sign Miguel Batista! They may give the yanks and sox a run. (yeah right) but it's nice to dream.

The Icon of Elisim
12-12-2003, 08:13 PM
Batista isn't a bad pick up but I think that they set their hopes a bit too high on him. Ricardi was on the score today and figured he'd be their number 2 guy, feels like they're asking quite of him

VonErich Lives
12-13-2003, 02:24 PM
Peter Gammons is reporting the Sox have signed Keith Foulke.

Yashamaga
12-13-2003, 02:27 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOULKE

*orgasm*

Sensei Of Mattitude
12-13-2003, 02:43 PM
Anyone read the trade rumor (which was disputed heavily by Phillies GM Ed Wade...) between The Rangers, Red Sox, and Phillies.

Rangers would get: Manny Ramirez (BOS) and Jimmy Rollins (PHI)
Red Sox would get: Alex Rodrigeuz (TEX) and Bobby Abreu (PHI)
Phillies would get: Nomar Garciaparra (BOS) and Trot Nixon (BOS)

Interesting trade. Phillies upgrade at SS but I'm not sure on Trot's defense. I do know that Bobby Abreu dogs it in the field sometimes. The trade would also the Phillies more of a righthanded hitting team, Rollins is a switch and Abreu is left but so is Trot. I think that Red Sox would come away with a steal if they got both Abreu and A-Rod. Thats intense.

Buts it not going to happen.


By The Way.... Tim Worrell signed 2 Year, $6Million Contract. Someone wanted to know his contract numbers

Sensei Of Mattitude
12-13-2003, 02:50 PM
The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

Yashamaga
12-13-2003, 02:52 PM
Nah I doubt they will trade Foulke. He's really clutch and a big part of the clubhouse, plus he's homegrown.

Yashamaga
12-13-2003, 02:52 PM
*Trot

still excited about Keithy :o

Loose Cannon
12-13-2003, 02:54 PM
Ok now I'm starting to get a little worried. Poor A's they lose the best closer in 2002 the next year and the best closer in 2003 the next year. WTF is that.

Well the Yankees will just counter with something again.

Loose Cannon
12-13-2003, 02:55 PM
The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

Yeah I'm almost convinced Vlad's going to Baltimore and Tejada's going to Seattle.

Sensei Of Mattitude
12-13-2003, 03:51 PM
Foulke is no Billy Wagner. Believe that!

Yashamaga
12-13-2003, 04:32 PM
The Phillies still suck. Believe that!

Gertner
12-13-2003, 04:54 PM
i feel so bad for my jays. in any another division that'd be contenders for the pennant, but they have to compete with the yanks and sox

VonErich Lives
12-13-2003, 05:08 PM
The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

They'd spend more on Vlad then Pudge. A lot of people question his value, 10yr is a long life for a catcher, after that they look to 1st or DH, and I'm not sure Pudge as a Hitter is worth 10mil a year, especially in this market.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-13-2003, 08:45 PM
Foulkeeeeeeeeeee

Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up :eek:

I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up.

Sure they have to "look" to the future but fu</>ck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series.

Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year :wtf:

DegenerationY
12-14-2003, 05:42 AM
Holy shit, Boston is going to win the Series next season.

They can't NOT win it with their new roster.

Bad Guy
12-14-2003, 06:38 AM
Apparently the Tigers signed someone today (didn't catch a name) and the ESPN guys were joking around, "They're going all the way." I hope they do go all the way to make Van Pelt or whatever the hell his name is look dumb.

MoRcHeEbA
12-14-2003, 07:16 AM
I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.

Bad Guy
12-14-2003, 08:03 AM
I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.
Tramell went all the way in 1984.

VonErich Lives
12-14-2003, 08:59 AM
Foulkeeeeeeeeeee

Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up :eek:

I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up.

Sure they have to "look" to the future but fu</>ck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series.

Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year :wtf:

Williamson may get delt, theres also a rumor he wants a shot at the #5 spot.

I doube Nomar will stay, they don't want another Clemens/Vaughn where a top player walks and they get nothing.

I'd expect to still see him delt and them go after Tejada, unless Nomar changes his demands "money". Last report was he turned down the 4x15mil cause he wants 4x17mil.

Now, I think the sox have 4x12mil on the table.

Yashamaga
12-14-2003, 08:05 PM
Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

Loose Cannon
12-14-2003, 08:08 PM
Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. Thats a HUGE HUGE pickup for the up and coming O'S. They need a solid starter though if they ever are going to make a push.

Yashamaga
12-14-2003, 08:36 PM
they're gonna need Vlad Tejada AND Pudge before they even thing about making it out of the AL East alive

Yashamaga
12-14-2003, 08:48 PM
the Dodgers got Juan Encarnation from the Marlins. also, Mike Cameron signed w/ the mets

and in a smaller deal, a 3 way, the Jays get Justin Spier, Rockies get Joe Kennedy, and D-rays get mark hendrickson.

BCWWF
12-14-2003, 09:02 PM
I dont know if this has been up there yet but the Mets got Mike Cameron

Any talk of the Twins getting Urbina is on hold unless they move Jacque Jones. He would likely go to the Padre's for someone like Peavy. Personally I would rather have Jacque.

BCWWF
12-14-2003, 09:05 PM
Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you.

(And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

Yashamaga
12-14-2003, 09:52 PM
yeah he must have been talkiing about koch

koch lol

Crimson
12-14-2003, 10:03 PM
Stupid Dodgers haven't done crap. They shoulda gone after Tejada, damn idiots.

Loose Cannon
12-14-2003, 10:17 PM
Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you.

(And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

Koch was the best closer in 2002. He had like 40+ saves and won the relief award. Granted he sucked in 2003, but all I WAS saying was he was the best in 2002.

MoRcHeEbA
12-14-2003, 11:30 PM
well third place should have somewhat of a race with Baltimore and Toronto now.

VonErich Lives
12-15-2003, 03:53 AM
yeah, the A's are I think the only team in history to have 3 different guys save 40games 3 years in a row.

Talk is the O's are going to sign Vlad and may even go after Pudge or another catcher.

If the O's make those moves, it wouldn't shock me if they gave the Sox/Yanks a run.

Gertner
12-15-2003, 12:53 PM
the jays traded Mark Hendrickson for Justin Spier. Another great move by the jays. I hated Hendrickson, and Sprier could be a closer. I'm very impressed with my Jays. And I'm not easily impressed...........WOW! A BLUE CAR!

Loose Cannon
12-15-2003, 01:00 PM
yeah, the A's are I think the only team in history to have 3 different guys save 40games 3 years in a row.

Talk is the O's are going to sign Vlad and may even go after Pudge or another catcher.

If the O's make those moves, it wouldn't shock me if they gave the Sox/Yanks a run.

Naw, until the O'S get a solid #1 starter, their not going anywhere. Hitting only gets you so far, but pitching wins it all. They have three great young arms in Moss, Lopez, and Johnson, but I don't see them going anywhere with just those three.

Gertner
12-15-2003, 01:06 PM
Matt Riley is gonna be a good one too.

The Outlaw
12-15-2003, 01:45 PM
Marlins wanting Javy. :(

Yashamaga
12-15-2003, 06:20 PM
It looks like the a-rod thing is going down right now

I heard it on ESPNews, they said a 3 way deal that would send A-rod to Boston, Manny to Texas, and Nomar to the Dodgers might be completed within 24 or 72 hours.

DaveWadding
12-15-2003, 06:36 PM
Naw, until the O'S get a solid #1 starter, their not going anywhere. Hitting only gets you so far, but pitching wins it all. They have three great young arms in Moss, Lopez, and Johnson, but I don't see them going anywhere with just those three.
don't forget Kurt Ainsworth there guy.

Yashamaga
12-15-2003, 06:40 PM
don't forget Kurt Ainsworth there guy.

he won't be ready for at least another year though. IMO they should wait until next season to put him into the rotation

MoRcHeEbA
12-15-2003, 06:50 PM
It looks like the a-rod thing is going down right now

I heard it on ESPNews, they said a 3 way deal that would send A-rod to Boston, Manny to Texas, and Nomar to the Dodgers might be completed within 24 or 72 hours.

They've been saying that for like a month, they just need to do it already.

Yashamaga
12-15-2003, 07:00 PM
yeah but they're all together right now and it's coming so close that the rangers have todd walker on speed dial ready to sign so they can move Michael Young to SS and walker will play 2nd when A-rod leaves.

or so Peter Gammons says, but he's pretty good/accurate.

Loose Cannon
12-15-2003, 07:03 PM
don't forget Kurt Ainsworth there guy.

Yeah Ainsworth will be good, but in do time.

VonErich Lives
12-15-2003, 07:48 PM
As for the O's, if they have the hitting and the arms they have, they could give the sox/yanks a run... don't see them in 1st, but a wild card wouldn't shock me, this assumes they get Vlad and Pudge.

As for A-rod, the current "Rumor" is The sox send Williamson for a player (sorry, I forgot who/where) and then send that player and Many to the Rangers, rather then picking up part of Many's contract.

They would then deal Nomar to the Dodgers.

I haven't heard of a "3-way" involving Texas, Boston & LA, the LA and Texas deals are seperate.

But whatever, just get it done.

Yashamaga
12-15-2003, 10:36 PM
OK alot happened today:

the Cardinals signed OF Reggie Sanders and P Jeff Suppan (yesssss) to 2 year deals

Roberto Hernandez signed with the Phillies

oh the Mariners traded jeff colbrun to the D-backs for Quinton McCracken

and some other stuff happened but I'll post it when I remember

Yashamaga
12-15-2003, 10:38 PM
oh, the Mariners signed Scott Spiezio to 3 years

Loose Cannon
12-16-2003, 01:03 AM
Dimondbacks also signed Brent Mayne from the Royals.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-16-2003, 01:16 AM
yeah but they're all together right now and it's coming so close that the rangers have todd walker on speed dial ready to sign so they can move Michael Young to SS and walker will play 2nd when A-rod leaves.

or so Peter Gammons says, but he's pretty good/accurate.Gammons is also a Red Sox fan lol

VonErich Lives
12-16-2003, 03:45 AM
yeah, Gammons is reporting it's a 3way, sox, dodgers, rangers...

Really wondering who makes it a 3way...

I always give Gammon a lot of credit, but he's the same guy who swore all over the world a month ago Manny for A-rod will never happen and there were never any talks.

The Outlaw
12-16-2003, 03:50 AM
Gammons is tha shit

YOUR Hero
12-16-2003, 10:38 AM
I hope is all this hoopla, the Jays sign Ponson

BCWWF
12-17-2003, 12:10 AM
Omar Vizquel to the Mariners for Cirillo.

If Vizquel can stay healthy on his new knee I think he will be a good addition to the Mariners. With Omar and Boone up the middle that could be good, but if he gets injured that'd suck for Seattle.

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 01:15 AM
The A's have added to thier golden pitching staff by trading for Mark Redman.

Hudson
Zito
Mulder
Redman
Harden

WOW :yes:

CNM
12-17-2003, 01:15 AM
Omar Vizquel to the Mariners for Cirillo.

If Vizquel can stay healthy on his new knee I think he will be a good addition to the Mariners. With Omar and Boone up the middle that could be good, but if he gets injured that'd suck for Seattle.

Actually, the deal was Vizquel for Carlos Guillen and since Omar failed his physical today, the deal could be off.

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 01:15 AM
Omar Vizquel to the Mariners for Cirillo.

If Vizquel can stay healthy on his new knee I think he will be a good addition to the Mariners. With Omar and Boone up the middle that could be good, but if he gets injured that'd suck for Seattle.

I just read Vizquel failed his pysical, so the deal is off

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 01:16 AM
Actually, the deal was Vizquel for Carlos Guillen and since Omar failed his physical today, the deal could be off.

Beat me to it

VonErich Lives
12-17-2003, 10:57 AM
Ok, here's the latest Sox rumors.

A-rod for Many, there is talk there could be a pitcher added, because Texas is looking for value if the Sox aren't going to take part of Manny's contract.

Then, Nomar to Chicago White Sox for Ordonez.

There is talk Chicago would deal Nomar to the Dodgers for something, there is also talk Scott Williams and/or BH Kim would be delt to free some sox payroll.

So, the Sox get Ordonez and A-rod for Manny and Nomar and they spend the same money or less.....

Sign me up for season tickets!

VonErich Lives
12-17-2003, 03:14 PM
LMAO, the MLBPA has rejected the contact that A-rod and the Red Sox agreed on.

They feel it lessons the value of the contract, because even though it's the same money, it's over more years and the MLBPA is saying that the same amount isn't worth the same over longer years.

Going to be interesting... not sure if the MLBPA can force a player not to take a move they want.

KingofOldSchool
12-17-2003, 03:19 PM
I give up on baseball, it has degraded into an arms race between Boston and New York which is pure shit.

TheJShow
12-17-2003, 04:58 PM
I hope is all this hoopla, the Jays sign Ponson

Sounds like they're done for acquiring pitching.

Batista, Halladay, Hentgen, Towers, and Lilly are what they'll have, with Chen and J. Miller as other starters.

However, apparently they may sign (or trade for????) Rich Aurillia, which would strengthen the SS position greatly.

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 05:03 PM
Yankees finally aquired Sheffield. So now they have Lofton, Williams, Sheffield, Matsui as an outfield. Sounds good to me.

BCWWF
12-17-2003, 05:04 PM
Redman is overrated. But then again as the #4 pitcher he is probably one of the best in the league.

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 05:05 PM
Redman is overrated. But then again as the #4 pitcher he is probably one of the best in the league.

Yeah exactly. Fk'n A's have the best 5 man staff in the league.

BCWWF
12-17-2003, 05:08 PM
Remember last year when the Twins beat Zito, Mulder, and Hudson in three consecutive games? :rofl: doesn't look like thats gonna happen anytime soon!

Loose Cannon
12-17-2003, 05:12 PM
Yeah, I don't know how that happened. The A's played like it was the first three games of the season in that series. And then the Yankees did the same thing getting the sh** kicked out of them by the Angles. Sometimes things just don't work out I guess.

The A's could of beaten the Red Sox in the series this year if not for that jackoff Byrnes never touching homeplate and then Tejada stopping between home and third to argue a call. WTF WAS THAT..

Yashamaga
12-17-2003, 05:36 PM
Mags and A-rod

omg *jizzes all over the monitor*

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-17-2003, 06:10 PM
I give up on baseball, it has degraded into an arms race between Boston and New York which is pure shit.
More then the Sox and Yankees have high payrolls

But people like to hate on the good teams with high payrolls because their teams don't win shit :y:

TheJShow
12-17-2003, 07:36 PM
Who did the A's trade for Redman??

Stupid Marlins "No, we won't do a firesale" yet get rid of a lot of their team :n:

MoRcHeEbA
12-17-2003, 07:53 PM
pretty sure it's for a player to be named later... I thought Redman has never wanted to play for florida anyways since when he was with montreal cause he hates the owner or something.

KingofOldSchool
12-17-2003, 07:53 PM
More then the Sox and Yankees have high payrolls

But people like to hate on the good teams with high payrolls because their teams don't win shit :y:

No, it's because this is taking away all of the competition in baseball. If we see Boston vs. New York every god damn year in the post season, how entertaining is that? I enjoyed the past couple of years because most of the division races were so close, then players get big ass egos and demand more money than small market teams can produce.

They need to really tighten the salary cap.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
12-17-2003, 07:56 PM
yea I guess

but im just saying, More then just the Sox and Yanks have a really high payroll...

Yashamaga
12-17-2003, 08:08 PM
stupid deadline stupid rejecting contract :mad:

I think it'll still go through.

TheJShow
12-17-2003, 08:19 PM
pretty sure it's for a player to be named later... I thought Redman has never wanted to play for florida anyways since when he was with montreal cause he hates the owner or something.

Florida is the worst organization ever.

The Outlaw
12-18-2003, 02:16 AM
LOL Atlanta

JD "DL" Drew replaces Sheffield.

Furcal wanted them to go after Vlad, they are tight so to speak.

I swear to god if they get rid of Chipper Jones or Smoltz I will abandon baseball. :nono:

Bad Guy
12-18-2003, 03:58 AM
Trade is postposed. Union doesn't think contract can be restructured.

BCWWF
12-18-2003, 05:44 PM
Twins get shitty players to finalize shitty deals that were made in the past. Shitty single A guys, whats the point of "players to be named later" anyway? Are they ever good?

BTW, why did the Twins get rid of Todd Sears to get Jesse Orosco last season? :mad:

Yashamaga
12-18-2003, 06:27 PM
Gammons says they didn't get it done by the deadline.

it could still happen though. this friggin this is so confusing :mad:

Adder
01-09-2004, 03:28 PM
The Mets reportedly have made an offer to Vladimir Guerrero, and now may have more than just a puncher's chance to snag the coveted free agent.


The Mets offered Guerrero a three-year deal, according to several published reports. The deal is worth $30 million, and could be worth up to $40 million if Guerrero meets all the incentive clauses, according to Newsday.


The Orioles have a standing offer of five years and $65 million, which is below what Guerrero expected to get on the open market. Since Baltimore has not upped its offer recently, the door may be more than slightly ajar for the Mets, even though they cannot match the Orioles in terms of money or years.


According to The New York Times, Mets officials are "not very hopeful, but who knows?" Mets general manager Jim Duquette refused comment on Guerrero's status during a conference call on Thursday. The Mets did not intend to go after any "big ticket" free agents this winter, but their success in adding Kazuo Matsui and Mike Cameron may have changed their thinking on Guerrero.


A source familiar with Guerrero told Newsday on Thursday that he has grown reluctant to sign with Baltimore.


The Mets believe the lure of playing in New York -- and staying in the National League -- would appeal to Guerrero, but they are not willing to move beyond a three-year offer after getting burned by the Mo Vaughn trade before the 2002 season. Vaughn's career is currently in jeopardy, after announcing Thursday that he will miss the entire 2004 season due to severe knee problems.


Both the Mets and Orioles have expressed some concern about the back problems Guerrero suffered last season.


Guerrero missed close to two months last season because of a herniated disk but was terrific after returning, finishing the season with a .330 average, 25 home runs and 79 RBI for the Expos.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1704245&partnersite=espn

The Icon of Elisim
01-09-2004, 08:55 PM
Holy shit, Guerrero, Cameron and Floyd would make a killer outfield.

YOUR Hero
01-09-2004, 09:58 PM
What do the Mets have for pitching though?

Loose Cannon
01-12-2004, 04:57 PM
It's Official...Clemens is an Astro. God dammit

What a Fk'n staff though. Pettite, Clemens, Oswald, Miller :eek:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040112&content_id=627017&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

YOUR Hero
01-12-2004, 09:39 PM
Haha yeah, saw a blurp of his announcement today. Not surprised by it.

The Outlaw
01-12-2004, 11:40 PM
Holy shit.

Loose Cannon
01-13-2004, 04:38 PM
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/0113/photo/pettitte_clemens_i.jpg

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

WHAT HAPPENED!!!!!! Come April Steinbrenner going to say APRIL FOOLS RIGHT

VonErich Lives
01-13-2004, 05:04 PM
lmao... one of the NY Papers has "Asstro" over Clemens photo today.

Hey, when he left the Red Sox, he said he wanted to play closer to home...

So, it only took a decade, and brief stops in Toronto and NY, but he finally has what he wanted...

Loose Cannon
01-13-2004, 05:49 PM
lmao... one of the NY Papers has "Asstro" over Clemens photo today.

LOL I wish I could of seen that. It was probably the NY Times

The Outlaw
01-14-2004, 04:54 PM
Clemens = tha goodz. :cool:

John la Rock
01-15-2004, 01:39 PM
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/0113/photo/pettitte_clemens_i.jpg

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

WHAT HAPPENED!!!!!! Come April Steinbrenner going to say APRIL FOOLS RIGHT

HAHAHAHA Steinbrenner can eat shit

Corkscrewed
01-15-2004, 08:11 PM
Steinbrenner deserves it. :D

But the ANGELS with Vlad!! w00t!!!

VonErich Lives
01-17-2004, 01:53 PM
They were saying on the radio, part of Clemens deal is a 10yr personal service contract, which means when he doesn't want to pitch, he'll do apperances and stuff...

Think he's going to try and wear an Astros hat into the hall of fame?

DaveWadding
01-17-2004, 02:53 PM
They were saying on the radio, part of Clemens deal is a 10yr personal service contract, which means when he doesn't want to pitch, he'll do apperances and stuff...

which is what Nolan Ryan got when he signed with the Rangers...

Loose Cannon
01-22-2004, 11:12 PM
The O's just lost a good pitcher to the Devil Rays. Damien Moss has left the up and coming O's for the basement dwelling Rays. Dam that really sucks for the O's.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040122&content_id=630204&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

DaveWadding
01-22-2004, 11:39 PM
1st Baseball Tonight of the year tonight :cool:

MoRcHeEbA
01-23-2004, 06:35 AM
So they Jays signed Halliday to a four year deal... He's no Schilling or Foulke but he should get a couple wins.

Adder
01-23-2004, 12:14 PM
4 years 42 million?

I think that's what I heard on the radio.

Corkscrewed
01-24-2004, 05:45 AM
So they Jays signed Halliday to a four year deal... He's no Schilling or Foulke but he should get a couple wins.

He's only one of the best pitchers in the AL. Honestly. He's a lot better than most people give him credit for.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
01-26-2004, 12:50 PM
Bluejays will end up 10 games out by the end of the season anyways

Loose Cannon
01-26-2004, 01:03 PM
Bluejays will end up 10 games out by the end of the season anyways

Yeah, but 2nd place is not bad though considering the Yanks are ahead of you.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
01-26-2004, 01:06 PM
Bluejays will finish behind the Sox and Yankees...

Making they will be in 3rd

Loose Cannon
01-26-2004, 01:09 PM
I don't know though, I'm more scared of the O's then the Jays. I know the O's don't have great pitching and losing Moss didn't help, but look what the Royals did last year with their pitching. The AL East is probably the best division right now.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
01-26-2004, 01:24 PM
AL East is usually the best division. Red Sox and Yankees are usually better then the top 2 from any other division

Jesus Shuttlesworth
01-26-2004, 01:24 PM
cuz they got the $$$$$

Supreme Olajuwon
01-26-2004, 09:54 PM
I hope Yankees fans think Miguel Cairo can be productive this year since he'll be getting a lot of playing time at third now that Aaron Boooooooooooone tore his ACL playing basketball

DaveWadding
01-26-2004, 10:06 PM
LOL Boone just violated his contract. Way to go.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
01-27-2004, 12:12 AM
Everybody does probably

Looks like they should call up Drew Henson.....oh wait hes going to the NFL

Boone that asshole :mad:

Loose Cannon
01-27-2004, 12:17 AM
god dam Boone. WTF were you thinking.

DaveWadding
01-27-2004, 12:23 AM
I bet you a Red Sock dressed in black ran on the basketball court and took out his knee with a foreign object.

Loose Cannon
01-27-2004, 12:28 AM
I bet you a Red Sock dressed in black ran on the basketball court and took out his knee with a foreign object.

dammit sTiMa was that you :rant:

The Outlaw
01-27-2004, 02:50 PM
hahaha

I wouldn't doubt it. :shifty:

Loose Cannon
01-29-2004, 06:22 PM
So I was watching Around the Horn on ESPN and they showed a story in the New York Times about how Steinbrenner might make a deal for A-Rod because of the loss of Aaron Boone. Jeter would move to third and A-Rod would play short. LOL this would really drive a stake right through Boston fan's hearts.

VonErich Lives
01-29-2004, 06:36 PM
So I was watching Around the Horn on ESPN and they showed a story in the New York Times about how Steinbrenner might make a deal for A-Rod because of the loss of Aaron Boone. Jeter would move to third and A-Rod would play short. LOL this would really drive a stake right through Boston fan's hearts.

Nothing would shock me, but I doubt it.

Even still, NY is hurting for pitching and as they proved, it's pitching that wins, not hitting.

Loose Cannon
01-29-2004, 06:54 PM
Nothing would shock me, but I doubt it.

Even still, NY is hurting for pitching and as they proved, it's pitching that wins, not hitting.

Nah, If BROWN doesn't get hurt, they will be ok. It was really their middle relief pitching that KILLED them last year in the Series. And remember Wells got injured in like the 2nd inning in one of those games and they brought in Weaver, who hadn't pitched in the longest time, and he got killed. But they beefed up their middle relief with Gordon and Quantrill to set up Rivera along with Contreras, so they'll be alright.

VonErich Lives
01-29-2004, 06:58 PM
Nah, If BROWN doesn't get hurt, they will be ok. It was really their middle relief pitching that KILLED them last year in the Series. And remember Wells got injured in like the 2nd inning in one of those games and they brought in Weaver, who hadn't pitched in the longest time, and he got killed. But they beefed up their middle relief with Gordon and Quantrill to set up Rivera along with Contreras, so they'll be alright.

Time will tell.

Pedro and Brown are both injuries waiting to happen (although, no one seems to notice Pedro's been rather healthy the last few years).

Dunno, I'm just more sold on the sox staff then the Yanks...

which is a first, I'm a sox fan and have always seen the Yanks with a better staff. Plus the Sox have a better pen right now.

But I wouldn't be shocked to see both teams pull of some more deals in the next few weeks.

Jura
11-03-2007, 10:20 PM
lol How did I get in here.

MVP
11-04-2007, 07:41 PM
Why the hell did you bump this thread?

Jura
11-04-2007, 11:41 PM
I don't know, I was typing a message for a thread in casual and I posted it but then I saw that it was some baseball thread. Still don't know how I got here to be honest.

MVP
11-04-2007, 11:46 PM
Oh, carry on

SammyG
11-04-2007, 11:48 PM
whut iz this.

Nervous Ferret
11-05-2007, 12:30 AM
So I was watching Around the Horn on ESPN and they showed a story in the New York Times about how Steinbrenner might make a deal for A-Rod because of the loss of Aaron Boone. Jeter would move to third and A-Rod would play short. LOL this would really drive a stake right through Boston fan's hearts.:(