NFL 2006 Offseason Thread

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Let us begin our 7 month wait until the 2006/2007 season begins and do what every NFL fan likes to do: speculate. Running backs are the big deal the offseason with the UFA list including Shaun Alexander, Ahman Green, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, DeShaun Foster, Najeh Davenport, and Michael Bennet among others.

Also for those wondering, the Draft order is as follows:

1 Houston
2 New Orleans
3 Tennessee
4 New York Jets
5 Green Bay
6 Oakland
7 San Francisco
8 Buffalo
9 Detroit
10 Arizona
11 St. Louis
12 Cleveland
13 Baltimore
14 Philadelphia
15 Atlanta
16 Miami
17 Minnesota
18 Dallas
19 San Diego
20 Kansas City
21 New England
22 Denver (f/WAS)
23 Tampa Bay
24 Cincinnati
25 New York Giants
26 Chicago
27 Carolina
28 Jacksonville
29 Denver
30 Indianapolis
31 Seattle
32 Pittsburgh

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Well, there's not much going around at the moment so I'll just throw this out there.

<a href="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html">Here</a> is a mock draft for 06, no idea how reliable this guy is or whatever but there's a nice amount of info on the guys beyond the obvious Bush/Leinart fanfare. It was written before the Senior Bowl tho.

-edit- nm they've updated now

[Nervous Ferret]

in case you wondering. :)

<table id="inlinetable" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="428"><tbody><tr><th colspan="4" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Underclassmen in 2006 NFL draft</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="143">Player</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="143">School</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="63">Pos.</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="63">Year</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Darnell Bing </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cornell Brockington </td> <td width=""> UConn </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Reggie Bush </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Brian Calhoun </td> <td width=""> Wisconsin </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Antonio Cromartie </td> <td width=""> Florida State </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Vernon Davis </td> <td width=""> Maryland </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Maurice Drew </td> <td width=""> UCLA </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ray Edwards </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Anthony Fasano </td> <td width=""> Notre Dame </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Charles Gordon </td> <td width=""> Kansas </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Willie Hall </td> <td width=""> Middle. Tenn. St. </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Devin Hester </td> <td width=""> Miami-FL </td> <td width=""> RS/DC/WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Santonio Holmes </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Chad Jackson </td> <td width=""> Florida </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Omar Jacobs </td> <td width=""> Bowling Green </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cornell Johnson </td> <td width=""> Indiana State </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Marquis Johnson </td> <td width=""> Texas Tech </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Johnathan Joseph </td> <td width=""> South Carolina </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Winston Justice </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Brandon Kirsch </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Greg Lee </td> <td width=""> Pittsburgh </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Laurence Maroney </td> <td width=""> Minnesota </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Richard Marshall </td> <td width=""> Fresno St. </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Derrick Martin </td> <td width=""> Wyoming </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Fred Matua </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> G </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> John McCargo </td> <td width=""> North Carolina State </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Stanley McClover </td> <td width=""> Auburn </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Tony McDaniel </td> <td width=""> Tennessee </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Derek Morris </td> <td width=""> North Carolina State </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Haloti Ngata </td> <td width=""> Oregon </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Kai Parham </td> <td width=""> Virginia </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Bobby Payne </td> <td width=""> Middle Tennessee </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Bernard Pollard </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> DS </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Leonard Pope </td> <td width=""> Georgia </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Drouzon Quillen </td> <td width=""> Louisiana-Monroe </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cory Rodgers </td> <td width=""> Texas Christian </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ko Simpson </td> <td width=""> South Carolina </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ernie Sims </td> <td width=""> Florida State </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Daniel Smith </td> <td width=""> Idaho </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Rob Smith </td> <td width=""> Tennessee </td> <td width=""> OG </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Stephen Tulloch </td> <td width=""> N.C. State </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Marcus Vick </td> <td width=""> Virginia Tech </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Dee Webb </td> <td width=""> Florida </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> LenDale White </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Donte Whitner </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Mario Williams </td> <td width=""> N.C. State </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ashton Youboty </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Vince Young </td> <td width=""> Texas </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[OssMan]

giants need to draft at least one of these players:
tye hill
antonio cromartie
thomas howard
sinorice moss
greg blue
ernie sims
manny lawson

[VonErich Lives]

giants need to draft at least one of these players:
tye hill
antonio cromartie
thomas howard
sinorice moss
greg blue
ernie sims
manny lawson

Why?

[Nervous Ferret]

As far as the Jets go, most talks are that they're going after Young, Leinart, Bush if available at 4 :roll:, and if not then D'Bricksaw Ferguson. Not to crazy about that, but 1st round OLs have a history of working out well, so I dunno I guess that'd be fine. The line was really hacked up this year avec no Mawae or Fabini ect.

[RoXer]

THE ARIZONA CARDINALS might, possibly, that is, if they can stay healthy and avoid injuries and not play like extreme shit and maybe have an o-line or a decent running game and some quick corners WILL WIN THE NFC WEST

[OssMan]

Why?
What

The Giants biggest hole this year was by far the secondary. Tye Hill & Antonio Cromartie are two very good looking cornerbacks who are likely to fall to the number 25 spot. Brent Alexander was the most consistent guy in the secondary and he is like 36 and led the team with 4 INTs but is pretty much on the decline so Greg Blue would be a nice fill in. He doesn't have to start immediately but if it comes time when Alexander has to go then Blue would be a good replacement. There is no intimidating presence in our secondary right now but Blue could be the guy who scares the opponent cause he hits like a machine. Although he does seem to get lost in pass coverage and we can't really afford that.

Thomas Howard, Ernie Sims both fast OLB and Carlos Emmons probably won't be back next year and even if he is I think we proved that we don't have much depth at linebacker. Reggie Torbor, Nick Greisen, Chase Blackburn COULD take over an OLB spot but I don't think they are good enough to start for a saeson. Manny Lawson a 2nd-3rd round guy with same qualities as Sims and Howard but doesn't have great instincts or anything. I'd rather we focus on getting Blue/Moss in 2nd/3rd round.

Giants lack a solid #3 WR right now. We have Tim Carter who is really fast but drops everything and Jamaar Taylor who is not as fast. David Tyree is there and I hope he is resigned but he needs to be more of a special teams player than WR. Sinorice Moss gives the Giants a fast young receiver at #3 who would really "complete" the offense.

Any of these could change with a free agent signing though

[Gonzo]

I agree with pretty much everything that AssMan said. I doubt Emmons, W. Allen or Green will be back on defense. We need better play from our secondary without a doubt, but I don't know that additions are what we need. We have the secondary coach from Kansas City so we'll see. If we can get Corey Webster to step up, and Will Peterson to get through the season uninjured our starting secondary looks solid, with Peterson and Webster on the corners, Brent Alexander and Gibril the Thrill at the safeties I think we'll be okay.

At linebacker, I think Emmons is up there and the injuries are a sign of his soon to be departure, although I'm not quite sure he will get released this year. I think Barrett Green should be released because of injuries and falling out with Coughlin, too much money going to him to not play. Out of our other LB's, Pierce will return to anchor the middle, I can see Emmons and Torbor playing the outside, with Greisen and Blackburn providing depth (Blackburn looked promising in his short stint and Greisen is very solid). We should probably keep Kevin Lewis, who has been in the system for depth, if we have to get rid of someone here.

I agree with AssMan on what he said about the #3 WR, only thing I would add is that we could use a stud LT. Luke Petitgout is solid in terms of blocking but he is dumb as fuck with penalties and for that he should get the boot.

[OssMan]

An LT would be nice but Ernie Accorsi has already announced that the offensive line will not be focused on this offseason. Yeah Petitgout is retarded with penalties but his blocking is fine. The line really meshed this season and if you look at the 04-05 season you will see how much of a huge upgrade it was. No need to change anything there.

[Gonzo]

No there really isn't, but I honestly wouldn't mind them using a draft pick or using cap space to bring in a LT to scare Petitgout into not being a total moron all the time.

We need secondary help, although I don't think it necessarily needs to come through addition or subtraction, but better coaching and scheming.

We really need better depth at WR, as you said, and probably some young LB's to mold into a starting core.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I could see Antonio Cromartie falling since he was injuried all of last season, dude is sick. If he comes back 100% he'll be a starter as a rookie.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I really hope the Bengals take Darnell Bing. He is nasty and really underrated IMO. Plus what's better than getting knocked out by a guy named Bing

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I am kind of surprised Bing came out. I figured he would have stuck around for his senior season and came out as a top 10 pick next season. He will be another steal in the draft IMO. I am curious to what the Patriots are gonna do, there is a lot of different directions to go.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Kind of a homer pick but I'd love for the Bengals to get Bobby Carpenter too. He's almost as fast as AJ Hawk and a lot bigger.

[VonErich Lives]

What


Thanks, I don't follow the Giants closely and was just wondering why you picked those guys specificly.

thanks!

[VonErich Lives]

Mandalay Bay early lines to win the superbowl next year.

Colts 4-1
Seahawks 5-2
Patriots 5-2

Then were the Steelers and either Cinci or Denver, I forget what the line was.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I really hope the Bengals take Darnell Bing. He is nasty and really underrated IMO. Plus what's better than getting knocked out by a guy named Bing

http://www.arabia.msn.com/providersimages/special/perry_4.jpg

[Gonzo]

Thanks, I don't follow the Giants closely and was just wondering why you picked those guys specificly.

thanks!

Who do you see the Pats taking? The only thing that comes to mind for me is maybe a safety. I know Rodney Harrison will probably be back, but a season ending injury at his age will probably slow him down quite a bit. I'm thinking someone on defense though that can provide some depth with the insane amount of injuries the Pats racked up this year.

[VonErich Lives]

Who do you see the Pats taking? The only thing that comes to mind for me is maybe a safety. I know Rodney Harrison will probably be back, but a season ending injury at his age will probably slow him down quite a bit. I'm thinking someone on defense though that can provide some depth with the insane amount of injuries the Pats racked up this year.

1st round...

LB is my first thought, simply because even though he keeps getting better with age, McGinist isn't getting any younger and with the move of Vrabel to Inside, I could see them going for an OLB.

Saftey might also be a choice, however that depends on how Harrison looks, they still have Eugene Wilson at one safey, I could see them more likely to take a vetran saftey via free agency.

CB is also possible, although Ellis Hobbs really stepped up this year and there is talk of Ty Law wanting to come back to finish with the Pats, Law had like 10 picks last year, but from what I've seen/heard had a horrible year. That being said, he played about 20lbs over his playing weight because he didn't have a full off-season due to injury... I'd take an in shape Ty Law and the Jets will probably cut him, because I think he gets a 10mil bonus?

So yeah, LB (probably OLB) would be my best guess for round #1.

Dark horse, DE, why? If they think they're going to have problems resigning Richard Seymor, they could go for a DE "just in case".

[DrA]

As far as the Jets go, most talks are that they're going after Young, Leinart, Bush if available at 4 :roll:, and if not then D'Bricksaw Ferguson. Not to crazy about that, but 1st round OLs have a history of working out well, so I dunno I guess that'd be fine. The line was really hacked up this year avec no Mawae or Fabini ect.

Tony Mandarich.

[VonErich Lives]

Tony Mandarich.

The Lyle Alzado school of Body Building.

[mrslackalack]

I really hope the Bengals take Darnell Bing. He is nasty and really underrated IMO. Plus what's better than getting knocked out by a guy named Bing

:y: him or Muhammed Abdullah of UK both are great strong safeties.

[Crimson]

Ko Simpson! With a name like that he's gotta be a star.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Chad Jackson from Florida will be the best reciever out of the draft, dude has some of the craziest hands I've seen in a while. He'll catch anything

[Supreme Olajuwon]

:y: him or Muhammed Abdullah of UK both are great strong safeties.
yeah abdullah isn't really anywhere close to being a good safety let alone a great safety

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Random bits and pieces

Surprised nobody has mentioned Martz taking the Lions OC job yet. Ok ok so it's the Lions, but still. You have to think he could get at least *some* improvement out of that group.

Bobby Petrino apparently turned down $18m over 5 years to coach the Raiders because his kid didn't want to move. Hire a nanny or something, jeez. Art Shell might be back in the job. Which would be kind of funky.

Houston have taken up the $8m option on Carr. Hellooooo Reggie Bush. Or tradedown, whatever works.

[OssMan]

Surprised nobody has taken sherman yet
yeah what :eek:

[Gonzo]

If Martz went to the Lions as the OC, I would just want to die if they didn't make the playoffs within at least three years just on pure offensive potency alone.

[Crimson]

So pretty much it's a given..Bush to Houston. Now if they can get some o-lineman, maybe they'll be able to convert some first downs.

[Crimson]

Also it looks like Denver is in the front running for TO. Next franchise to be single handedly driven downhill .

[D Mac]

Art Shell is the new coach of the Raiders.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

yeah what :eek:

He's probably gonna go to Houston

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If Martz went to the Lions as the OC, I would just want to die if they didn't make the playoffs within at least three years just on pure offensive potency alone.

Should we put you on suicide watch now or later

[D Mac]

Martz is an "offensive genius" :roll:

[Gonzo]

Should we put you on suicide watch now or later

Might as well start now so there is a chance to save me. :'(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Who knows, he might turn them around. But Jones, Williams, Rogers and Williams aren't exactly Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Hakim. They really need to fix their O-line up, then maybe they can build something.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Won't matter if they don't have a reliable QB.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Dunno, you could *maybe* compare Harrington to David Carr, I guess, in that his problems are probably all in his head at this point. But yeah I imagine he'd probably love to snag Warner or somebody like that.

[BCWWF]

Warner should stop running around to take starting jobs at bad gigs, his time is up

[Supreme Olajuwon]

When given the ball he's been decent enough, he's just been pushed aside for younger QB's on 3 straight teams now.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

So is Alexander a piece of crap for going to the Pro Bowl, doing a bunch of schmoozing with other teams and then sitting out when a guy like Thomas Jones could have played?

[D Mac]

So who is the moderator of this forum anyway? That person needs to trade this thread with the NFL 2005 season thread and make this a sticky.

[Gonzo]

When given the ball he's been decent enough, he's just been pushed aside for younger QB's on 3 straight teams now.

Heard on the radio he signed a 3 year deal with Arizona. Would have thought they would have played that young guy they have.

[RoXer]

Mccown. But who knows. I don't really want Warner. But Mccown isn't the answer either. Or maybe he'll be Warner's protege this year. But I think his contract is up. I dunno.

[CNM]

Yeah I think McCown is a FA as well. He'll make a nice backup for someone.

[D Mac]

Warner can still be an effective QB.

[CNM]

I agree, but 3 yrs/18 mil is a little over the top at this stage in his career.

[D Mac]

So who is the moderator of this forum anyway? That person needs to trade this thread with the NFL 2005 season thread and make this a sticky.

Trips :y:

[BCWWF]

Star Tribune reports that the Vikings are seeking a trade for Daunt, looking for a second round draft pick in return.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah he supposedly asked for like a $10m raise or something ridiculous. Is he in denial about his knee being in pieces or something?

IMHO Warner > McCown btw. McCown reminds me of Plummer with less ability. Then again Ryan Leaf could have a good rating throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald all day.

I dunno, if they can pick up like an Edge James, improve their O-line a bit, and keep their defence healthy, they might make a run at a wild card spot. Adrian Wilson was insane this year, should've gone to the pro bowl.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Looks like that whole 'Ty Law back to the Pats' thing might happen, btw

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2332389

[mrslackalack]

Yeah he supposedly asked for like a $10m raise or something ridiculous. Is he in denial about his knee being in pieces or something?

IMHO Warner > McCown btw. McCown reminds me of Plummer with less ability. Then again Ryan Leaf could have a good rating throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald all day.

I dunno, if they can pick up like an Edge James, improve their O-line a bit, and keep their defence healthy, they might make a run at a wild card spot. Adrian Wilson was insane this year, should've gone to the pro bowl.

Yeah werent they going to trade their 1st rd draft pick even to try to get a superstar rb?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ty back on the Pats would be bomb. Hopefully he isn't looking for a huge pay day though, hopefully coming back to a winning team will be pay enough. I mean he already got his huge payday.

[CNM]

I think all Ty cares about is getting paid. He's got his rings.

[The Miz]

Ricky Williams has failed a drug test and will be suspended for the 2006 season :)

[D Mac]

LOL

[CNM]

Luckily this shit happened before the Broncos traded for him. T.O all the way!

[Excellance of Execution]

I was reading on Yahoo Sports that it's being reported that Ricky Williams failed another drug test. They are not saying what drug, but either way, what a f*cking idiot.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's nice when people read the threads

[D Mac]

Hey! Have you heard the Arizona Cardinals signed Kurt Warner? :shifty:

[The Outlaw]

I was reading on Yahoo Sports that it's being reported that Ricky Williams failed another drug test. They are not saying what drug, but either way, what a f*cking idiot.

You piece of shit.

[Excellance of Execution]

You piece of shit.
Wow, i love how tough guys like you can throw out insults like that over the internet. You must feel pretty good right now.

So, i missed that it was posted, big deal. I'm sure out of the 11,000+ posts you've put on this site, you've missed someone's post before. Why don't you contribute to the thread instead of pointing out someone's mistake? Get a life.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So does anyone think the Texans will have the balls to not draft Reggie Bush and actually try to improve their organization or do you think they'll give in to the media hype and waste millions in cap room to have two #1 RB's on their roster?

[The Outlaw]

Wow, i love how tough guys like you can throw out insults like that over the internet. You must feel pretty good right now.

So, i missed that it was posted, big deal. I'm sure out of the 11,000+ posts you've put on this site, you've missed someone's post before. Why don't you contribute to the thread instead of pointing out someone's mistake? Get a life.

LOL chill kid

I see the Texans taking Bush myself. I wouldn't...they need a little thing called blocking. I would look to trade down in the draft but I seriously doubt that will happen.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Reggie Bush is gonna need someone like Davis to be succesful. He isn't a 30 carry a game back. He split carries in college, he'll need to split carries in the NFL. Especially if he'll be returning punts, playing in the slot and stuff, would be a lot to ask of him.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I really doubt he'll do any kick returning since Jerome Mathis was a Pro Bowler as a rookie KR this year. Davis isn't a change of pace back like White was at USC. Do they really need to pay over $40 million for 2 part time players?

[AlphaBean]

If they can run the ball, it's more than worth it. Two home-run threats running the ball, splitting carries so you can't wear either of them down? It would really open up the passing game. LOL.

What M I saying, the Texans suck, bro.

And Culpepper wants a guarantee that he will have a home despite his knee injury. Someone needs to show some faith in him. You don't just hang people out to dry like that. "Hurt? Fuck off. :wave:"

[RP]

Culpepper sucked before that knee injury

[RP]

The Chargers letting Brees test the market tells me either they are convinced that Rivers is going to be better or Bree's shoulder is seriously destroyed and rather then see him go all Pennington on them, they'll take there chances with Rivers.

[D Mac]

Marty Schottenheimer simply cannot get a team over the top.

[AlphaBean]

Like Dungy?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The Chargers letting Brees test the market tells me either they are convinced that Rivers is going to be better or Bree's shoulder is seriously destroyed and rather then see him go all Pennington on them, they'll take there chances with Rivers.

There's some kind of technicality which means they can't apply one of the tags to him, I think. I've probably got this wrong but best as I can remember they can't transition him since they franchised him last year, and if they transitioned him this he would be making less money than he did last year, which there's some sort of clause to prevent.

Something like that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I think the Chargers are going to see what other teams are willing to offer for Brees then match it probably. Unless they know something we don't know about his shoulder. They could put the franchise tag on them if they wanted but I don't think they want to do it again because it would be around 10 million dollars for a guy with a bum shoulder.

[AlphaBean]

Well I think the Chargers are going to see what other teams are willing to offer for Brees then match it probably. Unless they know something we don't know about his shoulder. They could put the franchise tag on them if they wanted but I don't think they want to do it again because it would be around 10 million dollars for a guy with a bum shoulder.

AJ said they set their price. And if another team matches/exceeds it then CYA LATER, and if no team matches... HELLO DREW "BACKUP" BREES!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I doubt they have really set their price, they are probably just saying that. I bet they just don't see anyone giving Brees 10 million a year, which is what he will get if they franchise him, so they'll wait for somebody else to offer him something then sign him if they think its worth it. Brees and his agent probably think they get more or a long term deal since hes has had 2 good years but nobody will do that because of what happened. Especially after this Chad Pennington stuff going on. Either way Chargers have a pretty good insurance plan in Rivers, he's never been a starter in the NFL but Carson Palmer wasn't a starter when he was named the starter either.

[D Mac]

Brees going to Oakland maybe?

[AlphaBean]

On one hand, Brees to Moss.

On the other hand, Brees to Moss for 5 yards because Brees has a dead shoulder. :(

[Gonzo]

Well if Brees can come back and be somewhat like he was before, he may be able to do something in Oakland.

Lamont Jordan isn't too shabby, Randy Moss isn't bad either when he feels like playing. I don't know about their offensive line but they have Joey Porter too, he is alright. Might be able to do something with that, because Kerry Collins is not a franchise QB at this point in his career.

I don't know though, all depends on how well he comes back from his injury.

I would love to see Brees go to Oakland and tear up the Chargers every year though, because I have a friend who is a diehard Chargers fan.

[AlphaBean]

Moss plays as long as his teammates play. He will be amazing if he has a QB who can throw it deep. If Brees can't... Moss is going to be forced to play shallow, where he's not at his best.

And Collins made Moss look like he was past his prime. That's annoying... but it would be great if we could get Moss back. Moss/Nate/K-Rob... unstoppable. :love:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I heard Cris Carter and Robert Smith were free. Maybe they'll come back too

[OssMan]

Well the Jets cut Ty Law. Is the stuff about going back to the Patriots true at all, if not Giants could look at him :shifty:

[D Mac]

Chiefs

[AlphaBean]

I heard Cris Carter and Robert Smith were free. Maybe they'll come back too

I really want to make some crack about Palmer's knee, but I can't. :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought the Patriots might interested in Law, but hes still asking for a lot of money so its doubtful. I figured he would have been happy taking a ton of money one year, then going back to a winning team for a little bit of a pay cut.

[AlphaBean]

What are you talking about? HE GOT TEN PICKS IN 05!

:lol:

He's kind of dumb isn't he? I love that guy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah I like him. I'd really like to see him back and play for the Patriots. He didn't burn any bridges or anything when he left, so theres still a chance I guess. I just heard hes asking for 10 mil up front, then 7 mil a year. Or maybe the other way around but either way its a lot of money for a cornerback, especially in the NFL now. Cornerbacks arent as valueable because they don't shit to the WR without getting a flag.

[AlphaBean]

My point is, he was a nickel back at best in 05, but got lots of picks despite being horrible in coverage. He'd be great in a cover 2 defense I would imagine, but if he's showing his age, it's time he stopped trying to "man up."

Getting 10 picks on a lottery team despite giving up lots of TDs means dick.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He was way over his playing weight last season too though. I think it was because he didn't really get train in the offseason due to his injuried foot. I know he didn't play very well, but he couldn't have been THAT horrible if he had 10 picks and made the Probowl. Sure he wasn't his oldself, but its not like he was playing like Duane Starks out there or something.

[AlphaBean]

LOL@Starks

But yea he played all right, but 10 mil all right? Not really.

Maybe he'd be a hot safety, though.

[RP]

I hope Duane Starks is the started for the Pats when the Colts play them next year. I mean thats like spotting us 14 points right there.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Law probably got a lot of picks because teams weren't afraid to throw at/over/by him

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Oh yeah

Reggie Wayne got a new 6 year deal

Steve Hutchinson got transition tagged

Nate Clements got franchised

Deshaun Foster got transitioned (though I agree with the theory that they're just using that for insurance if they can't get Alexander)

[DrA]

I hope Duane Starks is the started for the Pats when the Colts play them next year. I mean thats like spotting us 14 points right there.

That's not happening, since he just got cut.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Dat Nguyen retired. DrA :'(

Detroit suddenly has about $11m extra cap space due to not having to make an incentive payment to Shaun Rogers. Hello LeCharles Bentley.

Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic :$

[Excellance of Execution]

Dat Nguyen retired. DrA :'(

Detroit suddenly has about $11m extra cap space due to not having to make an incentive payment to Shaun Rogers. Hello LeCharles Bentley.

Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic :$

Just curious where you read about Shaun Rogers? I was looking around trying to find it with no luck. Did he have an incentive in his contract that he didn't meet?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah I have to admit I forgot where I initially saw it, had to dig around

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9264898

"In 2004, the Lions tied Rogers' playtime bonus to 2005 instead of the more conventional 2006 way just in case of the unlikely event that there was no extension to the collective bargaining agreement. Now there is no extension -- and no extension in sight -- but the Lions are in a position every team wishes it were."

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Random Giants news:

-Brent Alexander retired, which kind of sucks considering he was the Giants' leader in pickoffs in 05...hopefully Shaun Williams can go back to old form in '06.

-Jeff Feagles is mulling retirement, but the Giants really want him to stay and they are considering letting Feagles skip practice to spend time with his family in Arizona during the week.

-Barrett Green and Jason Whittle were also released. Green was a waste of money...and Whittle isn't a huge loss, though his versatility made him a great backup option on the O-Line.

-I would not be shocked at all to see the Giants take a run at Ty Law. I'd gladly take him now that Clements was tagged.

-The team is working on a long term deal with WR/special teamer David Tyree. He's a very valuable asset.

-One last bit of news, apparently the Giants had a long talk with some guy named Ngata who is entering the draft. He is a DT and is like 335 pounds or something. Huge guy who can clog up the line...though I don't know much about him and picking a DT with the #1 pick doesn't seem like the best idea after William Joseph in 2003</font>

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Doubt Ngata would fall to the Giants

[D Mac]

God I'm missing NFL football so much right now already. The wait is too fucking long until the next season. :(


Not even Madden is helping. How do you quench your football thirst?

[Gonzo]

You can't. I suffer until the draft, the only thing that gets me by is talking about free agency rumors. I can't wait until April, going to park my ass on the couch and watch the draft.

[RP]

I do drugs

[RP]

WTF did the Patriots cut Duane Starks??? Are they trying to win a Superbowl again?

[OssMan]

Don't want Ngata, in fact don't want any change to the defensive line at all. Don't need to say anything about DE, everyone knows the situation there, but I think William Joseph can "live up to the hype" I guess and Kendrick Clancy is a really good run stuffer at DT. The options for a situation when Clancy isn't needed are Fred Robbins and KenDerick Allen, so no upgrade needed, really.

[AlphaBean]

Everyone wants Ngata. He's a sexy mother fucker.

[Gonzo]

Don't want Ngata, in fact don't want any change to the defensive line at all. Don't need to say anything about DE, everyone knows the situation there, but I think William Joseph can "live up to the hype" I guess and Kendrick Clancy is a really good run stuffer at DT. The options for a situation when Clancy isn't needed are Fred Robbins and KenDerick Allen, so no upgrade needed, really.

Yeah Joseph showed flashes of living up to his first round pick status this year. I think if he gets in there injury free he'll be alright. We could use some depth at LB or DB. Or a WR, Amani isn't getting any younger.

[RP]

I think Maurice Drew , if he's still there, will be the first round selection for the Colts. I doubt they're keeping Edge and this draft is pretty deep in Rb's. I'd love to see them get Lendale White, but he isnt dropping. They'd have to trade up.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Mike Kudla put 45 reps up on the bench at the combine. Mike Kudla missed games in 2003 because he was bleeding from his eyes.

:love:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

45 reps is fucking ridiculous. Speaking of OSU guys, I heard the Pats might try to get Bobby Carptener in the 2nd round :cool: Next Vrabel

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'll be really surprised if he falls that far. Carpenter is going to be a superstar. There might be 5 Buckeyes taken in the 1st round.

Speaking of ridiculous stuff at the combine, 263 lb Vernon Davis ran a 4.38. What the fuck is that

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Ben Watson ran a 4.4 with a max of like 565 or something ridiculous

Tight ends are some of the most athletic dudes on the planet, big ass motherfuckers that can run.

The thing about Carpenter is, there is 8 linebackers that could go first or second round. Its just gonna be perference over who wants who. Patriots will definetely be picking up a high quality linebacker in the 2nd round eitherway. I'd like to see Carpenter, but anyone from that list of 8 would be fine with me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah there's a lot of LBs but besides Hawk and maybe that Greenway guy from Iowa I'd say he's the best. The only thing holding him back is the fact that he got overshadowed by Hawk the whole time he was at OSU.

[RP]

Colts will go after Mike Anderson i hope.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

AJ Nicholson? Ernie Sims? DeMarco Ryans? Abdul Hodge? D'well Jackson? Not saying all those guys are way better then him, but CBSSportsline has him ranked as the 7th best LB in the 2006 draft.

There's Thomas Howard (he's ranked ahead of Carpenter on CBSSportsline) too, he wasn't that popular during the season but he had a strong week during the Senior Bowl and he ran a 4.4 at the combine.

So it should be interesting to see what happens.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ty Law is cut, Lawyer Milloy got cut, and Willie McGinest might get cut. What are the odds of an ex-Pats (haha) reunion in Cleveland?

[Gonzo]

Look for possibly Dallas to pick up Lawyer Milloy. First team I thought of when I heard about his release.

[Nervous Ferret]

Jets cut Kevin Mawae today

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol are you serious? McGinnist would get cut after I just bought his fucking jersey, god damn it

[Nervous Ferret]

Can't find a link but I just saw it on the 5:00 news here. He is pretty old, gotta be in his late 30s now.

---------------------------------------

Heard it on the radio a few times now, still no link

[Triple A]

Sucks about Mawae. :mad:

Oh well.

[Nervous Ferret]

Also the Titans cut Brad Hopkins, which increases the chance they will draft D'Brickshaw. :mad:

And I heard Abraham might go to Detroit seeing as how Donnie Henderson is there and all now, for a #9 pick

Being able to grab D'Brickshaw, and like Jay Cutler would be sick

[Gonzo]

Wow so many teams are going to be so different this year.

[AlphaBean]

Look for possibly Dallas to pick up Lawyer Milloy. First team I thought of when I heard about his release.

Roy and Milloy would be pretty hot. Milloy and Law should just go back to NE for pennies. :love:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ok well all the players who got cut yesterday aren't cut anymore, apparently. Tagliabue voided the moves or something as they moved the start of the season to 12:01 Monday instead of 12:01 today.

NerF I just read a report Abraham might go to Denver for their #29 pick, and then the Jets might ship the #4 and #29 to the Texans. No confirmation on that though.

Also stima that thing about McGinest is just speculation really but I've read a couple times he has a multi-million bonus or something due and he might be a cap casualty regardless of whether the CBA gets done or not. Unless he renegotiates.

[Nervous Ferret]

yeah heard something like that but if they get the #1 pick they are prob gunna take Leinhart, because they are retarded

[Mr. Monday Morning]

*Lionheart

[AlphaBean]

Ok well all the players who got cut yesterday aren't cut anymore, apparently. Tagliabue voided the moves or something as they moved the start of the season to 12:01 Monday instead of 12:01 today.

NerF I just read a report Abraham might go to Denver for their #29 pick, and then the Jets might ship the #4 and #29 to the Texans. No confirmation on that though.

Also stima that thing about McGinest is just speculation really but I've read a couple times he has a multi-million bonus or something due and he might be a cap casualty regardless of whether the CBA gets done or not. Unless he renegotiates.

According to the whole "draft pick values," that would be a horrible trade for Houston. NY would have to add another few picks on there, maybe a future 1ster or something.

But I just read that, due to the fucking Vikings lowballing Nate Burleson, he might be a Patriot next year. Him + Dillon + Wilfork = :wavesad: Vikings. :'(

[BCWWF]

Rams cut Isaac Bruce

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't really understand what is going on..Why are all these veterans getting cut because of this?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If they don't extend the CBA the teams have about $10m less to work with than they would otherwise, basically. There's other factors but that's the main thing.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jon Kitna might go to the Jets.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

:love: :love: :love:

Seahawks sign Alexander to an eight year deal. All is right with the world now. I love Alexander, but baby Jesus would cry if he went to another team (Carolina? *shudders*)

I wonder why it took them this damned long to do it. But I can sleep now.

On the other hand, I don't know whether to cry now when Seattle cuts some of their key guys (I'm GUESSING they'll have to, anyway. Don't really know the specifics of the deal offhand), or when the season starts.

[D Mac]

Rams cut Isaac Bruce

He'd be a good pickup for the Chiefs. :y:

[D Mac]

Lavar Arrington decides to become free agent rather then stay with the Redskins.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/03/06/ap2573623.html

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Mawae is almost certainly cut.

Kerry Collins was cut but is currently still with the Raiders until the CBA is sorted out.

Green Bay re-signed Ahman Green for 1 year

Derrick Brooks restructured his deal to stay in Tampa

Manning and Harrison restructured their deals and saved the Colts about $12m in cap space

Speculation <a href="http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/53199/">here</a> that St Louis might just re-sign Bruce to lower his cap hit this year

[BCWWF]

He'd be a good pickup for the Chiefs. :y:


Do you go to Mizzou???

[D Mac]

No I just live in Missouri.

[OssMan]

WOOO ARRINGTON

[BCWWF]

Where at?

[D Mac]

Where at?

Lebanon, MO.

Near Springfield.

[AlphaBean]

Save the dating for MySpace, what the fuck.

[D Mac]

Bean you are making me angry. You would'nt like me when I'm angry. :mad:

[AlphaBean]

Save the hatred for MySpace.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

La'roi Glover signed with the Rams.

Looks like Junior Seau is cut.

So...how bout that CBA huh :shifty:

[AlphaBean]

Wonder if Vince Young can spell Wonderlick? Hmm...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I wonder if AlphaBean can spell Wonderlic. Hmm...

[el fregadero]

I wonder if el fregadero knows what wonderlic is. Hmm...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's like an SAT for players in the draft. Some reports said Vince Young got a 6 the first time he took it. That's out of 50 mind you.

[AlphaBean]

It's like an SAT for players in the draft. Some reports said Vince Young got a 6 the first time he took it. That's out of 50 mind you.

It's Wonderlick, damn it. "Wonderlic" makes absolutely NO SENSE!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

maybe that's what threw Vince off

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't want to sound racist here, but black QBs are morons according to the Wonderlic. Check the scores from the test since 1998 when I believe it started being a big thing for QBs in the draft to do:

1998: Charlie Batch 15
1999: Donovan McNabb 16, Anthony Wright 16, Aaron Brooks 17, Daunte Culpepper 15
2000: Tee Martin 11, Jarious Jackson 18
2001: Mike Vick 20
2002: David Garrard 14, Woodrow Dantzler 17, Antwaan Randle El 17, Rohan Davey 17
2003: Seneca Wallace 12, Brad Banks 13

This year Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, and DJ Shockley all below 20 too.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Reggie McNeal ran a 4.3...Why exactly is this guy playing QB?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm sure he won't but he took the test anyway like Randle El, Wallace, and all those guys.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Word.

This doesn't really have anything to do with McNeil, or your point but I thought Wallace was with the Seahawks as a QB?

Just heard on Coldpizza that the Vikings are trying to get Edgerin James

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He is but he plays WR too kinda like Rohan Davey. I just remember him making a sick catch in the playoffs this year as a wideout.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Davey plays wideout now too? Haha the fuck, when he was on the Patriots he was like 260 pounds

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He was listed as WR/QB when he was on the Pats I guess he just never played.

[BCWWF]

Yeah, the Vikings have been the highest on Edgerin all along, even before Shawn Alexander was signed. I'm interested to see how the Vikings turn out, because if we do end up trading Duante we are going to need to make some other drastic moves as well.

On another note, Corey Chavous said he would like to stay in Minnesota now, but isn't sure if it will work out, because of age and all. Last season he wanted out when we got Sharper, so that's a good sign I guess.

[AlphaBean]

Edge is gonna be sick/clutch for us next year. I will be so pumped until he turns into Herschel Walker Redux

[OssMan]

Oh wow the Giants are gonna try to sign Arrington. Dammit

[AlphaBean]

I don't want to sound racist here, but black QBs are morons according to the Wonderlic. Check the scores from the test since 1998 when I believe it started being a big thing for QBs in the draft to do:

1998: Charlie Batch 15
1999: Donovan McNabb 16, Anthony Wright 16, Aaron Brooks 17, Daunte Culpepper 15
2000: Tee Martin 11, Jarious Jackson 18
2001: Mike Vick 20
2002: David Garrard 14, Woodrow Dantzler 17, Antwaan Randle El 17, Rohan Davey 17
2003: Seneca Wallace 12, Brad Banks 13

This year Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, and DJ Shockley all below 20 too.

In an odd turn of events... Adrian McPherson rocked a solid 26. But ROFL McNabb took it twice and did worse the second time. :love:

But Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, both got 15... Marino got a 14/18/15, :rofl: Jeff George got a TEN, Tony Banks got a 26 his first time... then an 8... :love:,

But honestly... what does the WonderlicK prove? That you get good grades? Most of the top score-getters on here are shit QBs. Eli did great, but so did Jason Maas. Todd Husak, JT O'Sullivan, Drew Henson, etc... bfd.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ryan Fitzpatrick, slayer of Texans

[Gonzo]

Oh wow the Giants are gonna try to sign Arrington. Dammit

I did see this on ESPN.com in an article about Arrington.

"The Redskins could very well see Arrington again. He said he wants to sign with an NFC East team.
"I want to come back and walk in FedEx Field once a year," he said."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355921


Don't know if he has a particular team in mind or what, or if this means that other teams in the NFC East are showing interest so who knows. Barret Green is gone from the Giants and Dat Nguyen is gone from the Cowboys so who knows. Trotter and Arrington again in Philly I don't see happening, didn't seem like it went well in D.C. because of the types of players they are. I don't know, I'm not sure what Arrington's deal was in Washington. I never followed it too close but I will say that if he comes to New York with a reputation for being tough to coach one of two things could happen: 1.) Coughlin reigns him in because he is a hardass or 2.) Arrington makes the papers with more drama because he resists Coughlin's methods, which is more likely to me.

I don't really know if I want Arrington, although our defense would probably be better off for it. I don't want him staying in the NFC East if he isn't coming to New York, who knows. I don't even know what the cap situation is with the Giants with all the bullshit thats been going on with the NFL lately.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Last thing I read Barret Green isn't cut, because he had guaranteed money left on his contract. Something like that.

[el fregadero]

It's like an SAT for players in the draft. Some reports said Vince Young got a 6 the first time he took it. That's out of 50 mind you.
lol what kind of questions are on this?

[Nervous Ferret]

real stupid ones, but it is a timed test I think so it puts the pressure on.

Prob Qs like:

54 x 1
captial of Kansas
What letter comes before "S"

just a guess though

Qs that are easy with no pressure and no time limit

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I know one of them was "Whats the 9th month of the year" I bet if you look around online you can find a sample test.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

[Gonzo]

Last thing I read Barret Green isn't cut, because he had guaranteed money left on his contract. Something like that.

If he technically isn't because of the whole labor talk business, he will be after its settled out I guarantee you that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's Wonderlick, damn it. "Wonderlic" makes absolutely NO SENSE!It's named after the person who came up with it

[BCWWF]

I also saw that the Vikings could go for Adam Vinatieri, but it was based on Vinatieri going to South Dakota State and it was probably written by Charlie Walters, which means that it is untrue.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vinateri is not leavin the Pats :mad:

[BCWWF]

Daunte is leaving the Vikes though. ESPN is reporting that he has now demanded to be traded or dropped.

[OssMan]

I did see this on ESPN.com in an article about Arrington.

"The Redskins could very well see Arrington again. He said he wants to sign with an NFC East team.
"I want to come back and walk in FedEx Field once a year," he said."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355921


Don't know if he has a particular team in mind or what, or if this means that other teams in the NFC East are showing interest so who knows. Barret Green is gone from the Giants and Dat Nguyen is gone from the Cowboys so who knows. Trotter and Arrington again in Philly I don't see happening, didn't seem like it went well in D.C. because of the types of players they are. I don't know, I'm not sure what Arrington's deal was in Washington. I never followed it too close but I will say that if he comes to New York with a reputation for being tough to coach one of two things could happen: 1.) Coughlin reigns him in because he is a hardass or 2.) Arrington makes the papers with more drama because he resists Coughlin's methods, which is more likely to me.

I don't really know if I want Arrington, although our defense would probably be better off for it. I don't want him staying in the NFC East if he isn't coming to New York, who knows. I don't even know what the cap situation is with the Giants with all the bullshit thats been going on with the NFL lately.
Arrington said he wants to stay in NFC East and doesn't want to play for the Cowboys so it is Giants or Eagles. Technically Green is not cut, but even if he stays on the team for the entire season, they would be better off with Arrington, even though I hate to say it. I hate Arrington a lot but I guess it would be kind of funny to see everyone's reaction in REDSKINS COUNTRY

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah Gonzo you would appear to be right, as soon as the league year starts he's eligible to be cut.

[The Greater Power]

Packers are going to sign Safety Marquand Manuel from the Seahawks.

YES!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why wouldn't you want Arrington on your team? Especially when you play the Redskins twice a year. He is gonna go nuts in those games. I think it would be a good move by the Giants, aslong as he didn't ask for too much. They would have a pretty solid linebacking core with the addition of him.

[OssMan]

Eagles.com reports that they have signed Shawn Barber to a 1 year contract

[UmbrellaCorporation]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9293409

NFL.com wire reports

GRAPEVINE, Texas (March 8, 2006) -- Labor peace was restored to the NFL when the owners agreed to the players' union proposal, extending the collective bargaining agreement for six years.

There were no further details on the agreement, including whether it includes expanded revenue sharing.

The vote was 30-2, with Buffalo and Cincinnati, two low-revenue teams, voting against it.

Free agency, put off twice by the protracted negotiations between the owners and players, now will start at 12:01 a.m. ET on March 10.

"It was a good compromise," said Jim Irsay, owner of low-revenue Indianapolis. "We're happy with it -- 30-2 is a good vote."

[Joey Slugs]

Culpepper: Trade me, or terminate my contract (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2359699)


NFL owners approve six-year CBA extension (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2360258)

[Gonzo]

Why wouldn't you want Arrington on your team? Especially when you play the Redskins twice a year. He is gonna go nuts in those games. I think it would be a good move by the Giants, aslong as he didn't ask for too much. They would have a pretty solid linebacking core with the addition of him.

As a player he isn't bad at all. I've heard various things such as he doesn't play to the scheme as he should, likes to run around making tackles putting himself out of position (where he shouldn't be, in the scheme). Seems to me like there was a lot of bitterness from both Arrington and the whole Redskins organization, so its tough to say if Arrington is one of those hard coaching cases.

If we did pick him up, and he just didn't fit well in D.C. and would be cooperative in NY it would be awesome. Arrington and Pierce would be ridiculous (they played together in D.C. I believe), plus Carlos Emmons would be sick too if he could stay healthy. Even if Emmons went down as much as he did last year, Greisen is a very solid backup who can play all the positions. We have Reggie Torbor who is fast and showed flashes last year. Chase Blackburn who was a rookie last year had 11 tackles in his first start when we had injuries to the starters. We brought in Kevin Lewis (who is solid, can play all the LB positions) who played in NY before, knows the system but I don't know if he would be retained.

lol Stima now you have me salivating at the possibility of that LB combo. My dad thinks Arrington is a stud, I can only imagine him going nuts if we signed him.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

A league source tells us that the salary cap under the extended CBA is expected to move to $102 million in 2006, and $109 million in 2007.

It's an increase of less than $8 million in 2006 over the cap under the prior CBA, which provides far less of an additional bump than previously anticipated.

profootballtalk.com

[Mr. Monday Morning]

McGinest got <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/09/patriots_cut_ties_with_mcginest/">cut</a> although the Pats might just re-sign him.

Apparently the Browns are interested in McGinest *and* Arrington.

Jets have talked with Patrick Ramsey

[The Outlaw]

Vince Young missed a question that asked what the 9th month is...

You can't really justify that haha

[Gonzo]

Those questions are easy as hell, but I always thought the test was timed. I can understand someone making simple mistakes on some of the questions if you're rushing, but something like the 9th month of the year, c'mon.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The test is timed, it's something like 50 questions in 30 minutes.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I thought it was only 12 minutes. 30 minutes for 50 questions is a really long time

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Hm. Could've sworn I saw 30 minutes somewhere but I just looked around and I can only find 12.

You win this round :mad:

[The Greater Power]

J-Walk wants out of GB! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2361969

Oh man, I didn't think it would get this bad. It sucks when you have such a great talent with a great work ethic who just wants more $$$

[BCWWF]

Where's he going to go, Philly?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Walker is such a horrible crybaby. Favre FTW. And this is coming from a Packers fanatic.


On another note, apparently Culpepper is being traded, and while it's up in the air, many sources say that as far as can be seen right now, the popular decision is that it's NOT Oakland that he'll be going to.

[Gonzo]

Giants signed Sam Madison. Hope he can still play.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2362731

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Try being Walker in Green Bay right now. If Favre didn't open his mouth last offseason then this probably would have never happened. I heard on Coldpizza today that a hotel attendant announced that Walker was staying at their hotel online and a shitload of people came to give him shit for holding out during training camp. Christ he still even showed up without getting a new deal, it's not like he no showed the whole season. Favre is a bascially Jesus Christ himself in Green Bay so he can blame himself for this one. People forget that football is a business too, I have no problem with the players asking for more money becuase look whats happening to all these vets, getting cut with money on their deals too. It goes both ways.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

So far Griese and Collins are both cut and out on the market, as is Brees, and Culpepper to be traded is probably the worst kept secret in the league. Not a bad amount of QB talent.

Oh, and Isaac Bruce re-signed with the Rams.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good signing with Madison, IMO.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty certain the Giants still have plenty of cap room to sign Arrington. Then to upgrade the offense by bringing in a WR, they can cut Emmons to save space and draft a guy like Greenway (who has fallen quite a bit in the projections but still has the potential to be a top notch guy)</font>

[Gonzo]

Even if they released Emmons I wouldn't be displeased with letting Greisen play, or Blackburn, or Torbor. Greisen at this point probably won't get any better than what we've seen but Blackburn and Torbor have potential yet to be seen.

I would love to see them sign Arrington, with Pierce, whoever we put at the other LB position wouldn't matter because our LB crew would be jacked.

Where the fuck you been anyway Vito, we need some more opinions on Giants football in here.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Deshaun Foster signed a 3 year deal to stay with Carolina

There was an article posted on the official Browns site last night to say they had signed David Givens, but since that would amount to tampering it has since been deleted. It's possible it was hackers, but we'll see.

Koren Robinson signed a 3 year deal to stay in Minny

Chester Taylor is supposed to be talking with Minny also

LeCharles Bentley is almost certain to sign with Philly

Edge James is meant to be visiting the Cards today

[Evil Vito]

Even if they released Emmons I wouldn't be displeased with letting Greisen play, or Blackburn, or Torbor. Greisen at this point probably won't get any better than what we've seen but Blackburn and Torbor have potential yet to be seen.

I would love to see them sign Arrington, with Pierce, whoever we put at the other LB position wouldn't matter because our LB crew would be jacked.

Where the fuck you been anyway Vito, we need some more opinions on Giants football in here.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, Torbor/Greisen/Blackburn all have potential and I wouldn't be opposed to see them get signed either.

ANother possible option to save up money for a WR would be cutting Petitgout, who will be making the most money in 2006. A solid blocker, but way too many penalties. I could live with Whitfield starting if need be, while we draft a tackle to possibly take over in 2007. Not really sure how many really good WRs are on the market tho. The best one is probably TO, but I don't wanna see that scumbag in Giants blue.</font>

[Mr. Monday Morning]

TO

Randle El

Antonio Bryant

Brandon Lloyd (can't remember if he's a RFA though)

David Givens

Eric Moulds isn't right now but will probably get cut

Jabar Gaffney

Joe Jurevicius (:$)

I think Brian Finneran might be on a free as well

So yeah not a lot of talent around

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Whoops, scratch that Bentley rumour, he has signed with the Browns. They also signed Falcons T Kevin Shaffer and are meant to be scheduled to talk with Jurevicius. They got the money to spend, no doubt. Dunno, tough division for them to make an impact in next year but who knows?

Kendrick Clancy signed with the Cards

Kitna and Kimo von CrippledPalmer are visiting the Jets - presumably that's almost a guarantee that Abraham will be traded soon

Will Demps is visiting Cinci and Minny

Ben Leber is almost a lock to sign in Minny

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Rams signed Corey Chavous

Panthers signed Kemoeatu from the Ravens

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck, can't believe the Giants let Clancy slip away.

Thinking about it, Julian Peterson seems like a better fit than LaVar Arrington. I definately want one of them picked up though to go with Pierce.</font>

[BCWWF]

Damn, I always liked Chavous, but I guess he is getting kind of old.

Vikings signed Ryan Longwell

[UmbrellaCorporation]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the Browns got Jurevicius! :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Marquand Manuel signed with Packers

Robert Royal signed with Buffalo

Arrington is on his way to meet with the Giants

Jags signed Brian Williams (from Minny)

Trevor Pryce might be headed to Baltimore

-edit- Brandon Lloyd is indeed an RFA but Washington seem to be pressing ahead regardless

[OssMan]

Washington has traded this year's 3rd round pick and next years 4th round pick for Brandon Lloyd

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Local Minny press are saying they signed both Chester Taylor and Ben Leber

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Apparently Daunte Culpepper will make his decision today, and it's looking like either Saints or Dolphins (GO DOLPHINS. Culpepper + Dolphins = Bliss for me. :D).

Probably whoever doesn't get Culpepper will get Brees, or so I'm guessing.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Larry Tripplett signed with the Bills

Sage Rosenfels signed with the Texans

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Colts Superbowl chances just signed with the Arizona Cardinals :cool:

Peyton Manning = Dan Marino

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Colts Superbowl chances just signed with the Arizona Cardinals :cool:

Peyton Manning = Dan Marino

[The Miz]

THE ARIZONA CARDINALS WILL WIN THE NFC WEST

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well they got the best running back in the NFC West now ;)

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Edge gets more money in the first 4 years than Alexander, apparently

Browns signed Ted Washington and Dave Zastudil

Vikings have apparently made a huge offer for Steve Hutchinson, which the Seahawks have 7 days to match

[BCWWF]

WHAT? NO! The Vikes need Edge (assuming that's who you're talking about)

[BCWWF]

Just checked ESPN.com

FUCK

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Good thing the Colts signed Wayne and not Edge, in that offense a good WR is really tough to get. Didn't Stockley have 1,000 yards two seasons ago? They got their priorities straight haha

[DrA]

The Rams are doing what the Vikings did last year in signing big names just for the sake of signing big names.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Brandon Lloyd is good but I dunno where he fits in with the Redskins..Isn't he just another deep threat?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Without a QB to throw him the ball, unless Campbell is ready to go now.

[RoXer]

DaveWadding: oh Jesus.
R0Xer1: ?
DaveWadding: you havemnt heard?
R0Xer1: ?
DaveWadding: Edge.
DaveWadding: signed.
DaveWadding: with
DaveWadding: the
R0Xer1: CARDS
DaveWadding: fucking
R0Xer1: NO SHIT?
DaveWadding: no lie.
R0Xer1: AISUDHfasfASIDFHLFDHVDLFIHVLSDFHVLKDSFNVLSDFKNVNFDKLVSDFLKVNSFDLKNVSDFLKNVSDFKNLVSdf
R0Xer1: we still need an O line though :(

[OssMan]

Skins got Randle El :wavesad:

[DrA]

Brandon Lloyd is good but I dunno where he fits in with the Redskins..Isn't he just another deep threat?

They also gave up a third and fourth round pick for him.

Which is why they have sucked so bad the last ten years. You can't build your team without any draft picks.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Did the Redskins really just get Randle El too? lol Why? They already have Moss, Lloyd and Patten, they don't need all these wideouts

[Crimson]

Didn't you hear? Dan Snyder likes giving money to talent they don't need.

If i were the Colts I woulda kept James, let Wayne go. Back to the Redskins why trade 2 draft picks for Lloyd?? what the fuck has he done that's so special, they coulda jus signed Randle El and that's it. Apperently they wana go with a 3 wr package .

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Redskins are morons. Unless they signed Randle El just as bait to try and get draft picks back or something...which I doubt.

Heard an unconfirmed rumor that Arrington signed with the Giants, but until I see it on ESPN or some other eliable source, I'm not gonna believe it. Hope it's true though.</font>

[OssMan]

Don't think it is as terrible a signing for the Redskins as everyone is saying...it is pretty retarded and unnecessary but that's usually how it is with them and it works. They are really dangerous now; Moss, Cooley, Portis, Randle El, Jason Campbell LOL

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Again, I say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Brees has left New Orleans without a deal, and is on his way to Miami.

Please, please, please, Miami, pick up Culpepper. :mad:

[DrA]

Don't think it is as terrible a signing for the Redskins as everyone is saying...it is pretty retarded and unnecessary but that's usually how it is with them and it works. They are really dangerous now; Moss, Cooley, Portis, Randle El, Jason Campbell LOL

Sure, they look good now, but they won't be looking so hot five years from now when they keep on going 4-12.

[DrA]

And it hasn't worked out for them. Just take a look at their records in the past years:

1994: 3-13
1995: 6-10
1996: 9-7 (no playoffs)
1997: 8-7-1 (no playoffs)
1998: 6-10
1999: 10-6
2000: 8-8
2001: 8-8
2002: 7-9
2003: 5-11
2004: 6-10

In that time period, they made the playoffs once. Acquiring stars such as Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders for big money sure made them a powerhouse, didn't it?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't get why they would give up two picks for Lloyd, they probably could have used a 2nd round pick on a WR who would be just as productive as him. Unless they think Lloyd is gonna blow up and be a star, I don't really see the point. He was just an average wideout last season

[The Outlaw]

LOL Jason Campbell

He had one good year at Auburn, so maybe he will do the same with you guys?

[The Outlaw]

SON OF A BITCH JAMES. :'(

[D Mac]

Well they got the best running back in the AFC West now ;)


No the Chiefs do. Larry Johnson. :p

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ravens signed Mike Anderson and re-signed Jamal Lewis

-edit-

Eagles signed Darren Howard

Redskins signed Archuleta

Apparently the Vikings' tender to Steve Hutchinson contains the proviso that he must be the highest paid member of the team, so if Seattle wants to match it and retain him, they are going to have to spend a *lot* - possibly more than they can afford. If he does go we'll see how much of a difference there is in both Seattle's and Minny's running games respectively.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Where the fuck are the Redskins getting all this money from and still staying under the cap?</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bengals signed Dexter Jackson. I like it. It was apparently either going to be him or Lawyer Milloy and well, fuck Lawyer Milloy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No the Chiefs do. Larry Johnson. :p
Ment to say NFC West obviously

[Mr. Monday Morning]

<font color=goldenrod>Where the fuck are the Redskins getting all this money from and still staying under the cap?</font>

So where are the supposedly cap-poor Redskins coming up with the cap space to get these deals done?

They freed up $4.4 million a week ago as part of the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent, and they shed several veterans on the eve of free agency to create more room. Likewise, it was reported that they planned to convert $13.5 million in roster bonus payments into guarantees, which would then be spread over five years.

And don't forget about the extra $7.5 million in cap room that popped onto the books as part of the new CBA.

Our guess is that these new deals will leave the 'Skins close to the $102 million ceiling for 2006, and that there will be more tinkering with contracts in order to free up more money for more signings. Eventually, they'll need cap space to sign their incoming rookies.

[AlphaBean]

So where are the supposedly cap-poor Redskins coming up with the cap space to get these deals done?

They freed up $4.4 million a week ago as part of the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent, and they shed several veterans on the eve of free agency to create more room. Likewise, it was reported that they planned to convert $13.5 million in roster bonus payments into guarantees, which would then be spread over five years.

And don't forget about the extra $7.5 million in cap room that popped onto the books as part of the new CBA.

Our guess is that these new deals will leave the 'Skins close to the $102 million ceiling for 2006, and that there will be more tinkering with contracts in order to free up more money for more signings. Eventually, they'll need cap space to sign their incoming rookies.

Also, Snyder is richer than God, and not all of the money they get is against the cap.

And as per Randle El: The 'skins know he's an amazing slot WR, but probably an average at best #2, so now they have a sick 3-WR set. And Patten couldn't finish last season, and wasn't a slot then, either. But then Patten catches the reverse, stops, screen to Randle El, bomb to Moss... it's possible!

And I'm holding out hope that Culpepper will be a Viking next year. :) It would be stupid to trade him, even if he wants to be traded... for fuck's sake, at least talk to him. He's not trying to pull a T.O., he got burned and doesn't feel wanted. It's a bridge that can be repaired. It can. :wavesad:

[OssMan]

Redskins sign Andre Carter 6 years $30,000,000

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I hate the Redskins with a passion, but they're going all out.

Drew Brees was signed to a 7 year contract worth $90 million.

They've also worked out a deal to aquire TO, exchanging with Philadelphia all of their draft picks.

The Redskins are also reportedly closing in on a deal to sign David Givens for a 5 year deal worth $20 million.

Finally, LaVar Arrington has reportedly been paid $5 million dollars by the Redskins to man up, and is closing in on a deal with Washington for a 6 year deal worth over $50 million.

Also rumored is that the Redskins have come to a word agreement with Bill Gates to aquire Microsoft for $40 billion. With all of these signings, the Redskins have still yet to exceed the cap limit, and it is reported that they will next pursue kicker Vinateri with a contract offer of over $40 million.

...Bastards. :shifty:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>ESPN reports Giants sign R.W. McQuarters...3 years, $6 million</font>

[Gonzo]

I like the move to get depth at the CB position, especially since Will Allen is more than likely going to get released. The signing of McQuarters makes me wonder if we will even keep Will Peterson with all the injuries he has had.

[AlphaBean]

omg, how many more people are the Giants going to sign? :roll:

[Crimson]

Well the Archuleta to Washington makes more sense, cause their safeties now are the top tandem, with him and Taylor...bastards

[Gonzo]

Taylor is a piece of garbage, last time I heard anything about that guy he was facing the possibility of lots of jail time. Dunno where that went.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants also signed some safety named Quentin Harris....who was Arizona's special teams gunner the past 2 years....this better not mean anything about Tyree

Chad Morton also got a 4-year deal to pad out the special teams for the long term. Tim Hasselbeck got a 3-year deal....which isn't bad but I was hoping they'd get a more proven backup like Fiedler in case Eli has a terrible game

Eric Moulds has also officially asked the Bills for his release.......I'd like to see the Giants take a run at him if they still have the cap room. If necessary get rid of Petitgout.</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sean Taylor might be a huge D-bag but he can play some football. I haven't heard anything about the charges, prob got out of them tho cuz he is rich.

[D Mac]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/03/05/kansas_city_to_get_super_bowl_xlix/

Super Bowl 49 is going to be in Kansas City in the year 2015!

Oh happy day!