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Destor
09-07-2006, 01:30 AM
I do not believe this; I merely thought would be entertaining to see the boards explanation if it was:


A)Hoax to sell albums
B)Made completely by the fans and it all is coincidence
C)Paul is Dead


HOW IT ALL STARTED


It is difficult to pinpoint the exact origin of the 'Paul Is Dead' hoax. Some believe the Beatles and Apple Records started the rumor as a marketing ploy to sell albums. That John Lennon started it out of jealousy. That overzealous fans conjured up the idea. Or that Paul McCartney is actually dead, and this was the way it was announced.

We may never know the true origin of the hoax. However, we do know how it was brought into public knowledge.

In 1969 Russell Gibb, a radio Disc Jockey in Detroit, announced that Paul McCartney was dead. His proof: evidence strewn throughout the Beatles' songs, movies, and album artwork. Newspaper and television reporters picked up the story and the news quickly spread across America.

THE STORY OF PAUL'S DEATH


The story states that Paul McCartney was involved in a car accident. Apparently "he hadn't noticed that the lights had changed." The accident occurred at 5 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. Cause of death was massive head trauma. So severe were his wounds that dental records were useless for identifying the body.

No accident report was made public due to pending investigation of the occupant. Beatles' insiders learned it was Paul, but kept silent. Understanding the ramifications of such news, the remaining Beatles hatched a cover-up.

A Paul McCartney look alike contest was held. William Campbell won first place, but the results were never announced. Campbell's prize was to be made a clone of Paul for photos, videos, movies, etc. Plastic surgery was used to smooth out the minor differences. They failed to fix a scar on Campbell's upper lip - this is how you can tell authentic McCartney photos from the Campbell ones.

THE CLUES


THE BUTCHER ALBUM (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidbutch.html)
YESTERDAY AND TODAY (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidyester.html)
RUBBER SOUL (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidrubber.html)
REVOLVER (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidrevolver.html)
SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidsgt.html)
YELLOW SUBMARINE (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidyellow.html)
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidmagic.html)
WHITE ALBUM (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidwhite.html)
ABBEY ROAD (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidabbey.html)
LET IT BE (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidlet.html)FINAL THOUGHTS


Was it a practical joke, a cruel hoax, or simply all coincidence? Most of the clues are very ambiguous. The certainly do not offer concrete evidence as to whether or not they were planted or simply coincidental. Most of the clues can be refuted wither way. Who was behind the whole thing? Nobody knows for sure. I am certain that each Beatle has publicly denied having anything to do with the hoax. I am also certain that Paul is NOT dead - I saw him in person a few years ago.

One thing is certain, as long as the Beatles music exits, so will the "Paul is Dead" rumor.

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pid.html

Boondock Saint
09-07-2006, 01:36 AM
Wrote a 10page paper on this thing my freshman year in college. Good times.

spilzrvd_69
09-07-2006, 03:01 AM
this shit freaks me out

I dunno why

Destor
09-07-2006, 03:06 AM
yeah, every since I was a kid it has given me weird chill. Never understood why though.

What Would Kevin Do?
09-07-2006, 03:32 AM
Pretty bizarre.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 10:06 AM
Paul is smoking with his right hand. Paul played the bass as a lefty. This shows that an imposter was brought in for the photograph.

Proof they didn't know the Beatles too well.

Anyway, as long as there is music, there will be rumours and conspiracies. The real answer is that someone read too much into things, and it caught on. B, in short.

Downunder
09-07-2006, 08:42 PM
LOL

Never heard of that before - ridiculous

Destor
09-07-2006, 10:13 PM
Paul is smoking with his right hand. Paul played the bass as a lefty. This shows that an imposter was brought in for the photograph.

Proof they didn't know the Beatles too well.

Anyway, as long as there is music, there will be rumours and conspiracies. The real answer is that someone read too much into things, and it caught on. B, in short.I lean toward A. To many of these in the songs to be coincidence for my taste.

Destor
09-07-2006, 10:14 PM
Especially after Revolution 9

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 10:17 PM
You have to really work at it to make most of those songs work. Theyre so arbitrary and loose.

Destor
09-07-2006, 10:32 PM
But not rev 9 (amongst others) that is blatant and clear as day.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 10:52 PM
Bullshit.

Destor
09-07-2006, 10:54 PM
Nah

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:13 PM
Really.

There is no intelligent reason to go from "Turn me on, Deadman," to "This is an elaborate hoax staged by the BEatles to indicate Paul is dead."

Savio
09-07-2006, 11:21 PM
I'm not dead

END OF STORY!

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:28 PM
Really.

There is no intelligent reason to go from "Turn me on, Deadman," to "This is an elaborate hoax staged by the BEatles to indicate Paul is dead."Nor is that what I'm saying. There is alot in that song besides that lyric, and it cant be ANYTHING ELSE except a description of the car wreck. The only other option was the Beatles were having fun with the concept, like a satirical piece. Which is possible. I was only using REV. 9 as an example of clear as day clues. Which if you think "Turn me on deadman" is the only "clue" you haven't listened to every other second of that song. there are far to many of these "clues" through out for them not to have some role. Whether it was as a joke or an attempt to make money. At some point, they started making on purpose.


And for the record I don't believe that magic bullet theory either.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:30 PM
Prove it.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:32 PM
Prove what? Rev 9 played backwards being a descripton of the car wreck?

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:33 PM
And it must specifically relate to Paul's death in some meaningful way.

I mean, Bowie wote several songs which describe car wrecks. ZOMG! MICK RONSON DIED IN THE 70S!

I suspect "All the Young Dudes" is a memorial to Freddie Mercury, who died in the same car crash.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:36 PM
I guess I could try.

http://kingtet.com/number9.htm

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:45 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=470 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle bgColor=lightblue>Revolution 9
Turn Me On, Dead Man </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=white> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Revolution 9 is a sound collage, and The Beatles CDography (http://www.webpak.net/~mrolig/lyrics.htmlGsong_idEr9.html) and Steve's Beatles Page (http://www.stevesbeatles.com/songs/revolution_9.asp) provide transcriptions of the intelligible dialog in the "Revolution 9". Early in the track two men are heard talking "I know all about it George. I'm sorry. Will you forgive me? Yes." Supposedly this short recording was John talking with George Martin about the placing of clues on the records. Several parts of Revolution 9 contain audio clues to Paul's death--the most noteworthy of these was from the repeated phrase "Number 9" http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/grfx/listen.gif (http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/IBP/IBPX/NumberNineForward.mp3). When this is played backwards, it sounds like "turn me on, dead man," http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/grfx/listen.gif (http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/IBP/IBPX/NumberNineReversed.mp3) which darkly recalls the line "I'd love to turn you on" from "A Day in the Life". In the sound collage of "Revolution 9" are the sounds of Paul's fatal accident. At one point you hear car horns, then a car crash, followed by a fire burning. When played backwards you can hear "Let me out! There were two. There are none now." When played normally you can clearly hear the following lines: "he hit a pole. We better get him to see a surgeon. So anyhow he went to a dentist instead. The gave him a pair of teeth that weren't any good at all. So my wings are broken and so is my hair. I'm not in the mood for words. Find the night watchman. A fine natural imbalance. He must have got it in the shoulder blades. Take this brother, may it serve you well" The final line marking Paul's passing of the torch to William Campbell.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:45 PM
Thats about the best I can do with out putting some sort of effort into it.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:49 PM
Most of the backmaked statements are bullshit at best.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:51 PM
Did you listen to it though? the first link had a downloadable version backmasked fully.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:51 PM
And even forwards it still talking about it.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:53 PM
Dunno, still (this song excluded even) there is far too much for it to be all coincidence.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:54 PM
And yes, I've listend to "Every second of the song."

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:55 PM
Dunno, still (this song excluded even) there is far too much for it to be all coincidence.

And yet, you've not lillustrated that. Go figure.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:55 PM
Did you listen to it though? the first link had a downloadable version backmasked fully.

Actually, I have a copy of the CD, and Sound Recorder.

Technology...Amazing.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:57 PM
And yet, you've not lillustrated that. Go figure.<!-- / message -->I do not believe this; I merely thought would be entertaining to see the boards explanation if it was:


A)Hoax to sell albums
B)Made completely by the fans and it all is coincidence
C)Paul is Dead


HOW IT ALL STARTED


It is difficult to pinpoint the exact origin of the 'Paul Is Dead' hoax. Some believe the Beatles and Apple Records started the rumor as a marketing ploy to sell albums. That John Lennon started it out of jealousy. That overzealous fans conjured up the idea. Or that Paul McCartney is actually dead, and this was the way it was announced.

We may never know the true origin of the hoax. However, we do know how it was brought into public knowledge.

In 1969 Russell Gibb, a radio Disc Jockey in Detroit, announced that Paul McCartney was dead. His proof: evidence strewn throughout the Beatles' songs, movies, and album artwork. Newspaper and television reporters picked up the story and the news quickly spread across America.

THE STORY OF PAUL'S DEATH


The story states that Paul McCartney was involved in a car accident. Apparently "he hadn't noticed that the lights had changed." The accident occurred at 5 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. Cause of death was massive head trauma. So severe were his wounds that dental records were useless for identifying the body.

No accident report was made public due to pending investigation of the occupant. Beatles' insiders learned it was Paul, but kept silent. Understanding the ramifications of such news, the remaining Beatles hatched a cover-up.

A Paul McCartney look alike contest was held. William Campbell won first place, but the results were never announced. Campbell's prize was to be made a clone of Paul for photos, videos, movies, etc. Plastic surgery was used to smooth out the minor differences. They failed to fix a scar on Campbell's upper lip - this is how you can tell authentic McCartney photos from the Campbell ones.

THE CLUES


THE BUTCHER ALBUM (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidbutch.html)
YESTERDAY AND TODAY (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidyester.html)
RUBBER SOUL (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidrubber.html)
REVOLVER (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidrevolver.html)
SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidsgt.html)
YELLOW SUBMARINE (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidyellow.html)
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidmagic.html)
WHITE ALBUM (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidwhite.html)
ABBEY ROAD (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidabbey.html)
LET IT BE (http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidlet.html)FINAL THOUGHTS


Was it a practical joke, a cruel hoax, or simply all coincidence? Most of the clues are very ambiguous. The certainly do not offer concrete evidence as to whether or not they were planted or simply coincidental. Most of the clues can be refuted wither way. Who was behind the whole thing? Nobody knows for sure. I am certain that each Beatle has publicly denied having anything to do with the hoax. I am also certain that Paul is NOT dead - I saw him in person a few years ago.

One thing is certain, as long as the Beatles music exits, so will the "Paul is Dead" rumor.

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pid.html

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:57 PM
And even forwards it still talking about it.

Forward it also says "Block that kick!"

Forward it has a ton of disparate statements. Backwards it has a ton of disparate statements, many open to interpretation on their best days. Even the conspiracy theorists can't agree what is says specifically.

Kane Knight
09-07-2006, 11:58 PM
Yes, and most of those are wide and loose interpretations that belie your sentiment that they MUST indicate something.

Destor
09-07-2006, 11:59 PM
Pretty big coincidences.

Destor
09-08-2006, 12:00 AM
Paul isn't dead ftr. But these were planted. I have little doubts there.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:01 AM
Pretty big coincidences.

Oh yes, Rita the Meter Maid is a huge clue, and it's too coincidental to believe that this isn't an elaborate machiavellian scheme.

Destor
09-08-2006, 12:04 AM
What ever, believe the magic bullet theory. I not trying to sway you, I was only saying my take.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:09 AM
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</td> <td width="522"> http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pidifcc.gif
The photograph is taken from the prospective of the real Paul McCartnery looking up from his grave.
The title of the album is written in the shape of an upside down heart.</td></tr></tbody></table>

It's just too bad it doesn't look the a perspective from the grave, and a heart shape is so meaningless.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:11 AM
What ever, believe the magic bullet theory. I not trying to sway you, I was only saying my take.

It's not a magic bullet theory. It's a "Not making up random theories" statement. There is no theory here which I am trying to assert. You are making assertions of a theory which doesn't hold water. I am simply scrutinising it. Dubbing it a "magic bullet theory" indicates how little your theory really has to stand on.

Destor
09-08-2006, 12:12 AM
Good job picking out the worst ones:




The people are looking at what appears to be a freshly dug grave.
The yellow flowers (directly below the flowers that spell Beatles) are in the shape of a bass guitar. Paul was the bass player for The Beatles.
There are three sticks on the yellow flowers that represent the strings of the bass. There are only THREE sticks to represent the THREE remaining Beatles.
Also, notice that the yellow flowers spell out 'PAUL?'; questioning Paul's existance.
The doll on the right of the cover (in the white, black, and red stripes) has a small white car, with a blood red interior, on her lap. This is a model of the car that Paul died in.
Direcly below the doll's left foot is a white vase with yellow flowers in it. If you look closely it resembles a car plummeting over a cliff with flames coming out of the back end.
Below the 'T' in Beatles is a statue of the Hindu God Shiva 'The Destroyer.' Its hand points directly to Paul.
Notice The Beatles standing behind the drum in the center of the photo. They are standing sideways except for Paul who is facing directly forward. John, Ringo, and George look *three dimensional* while Paul looks like one of the cardboard cutouts.
Paul is the only one holding a black instrument. Black is associated with death. This may seem insignificant now, but it turns up a few more times.
This is the first occasion where we see an open palm above Paul McCartney's head. There are many different theories as to what this signifies. It is generally taken to mean either that the person under the open palm will soon die or has recently passed away. As you will see, this turns up quite a few times.

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/drumsp.gif
Take a small mirror, or the bottom of a CD will work, and place it perpendicular to the center of the drum, so that you split 'LONELY HEARTS' in half. Now read the combined writing on the drum and the mirror. It says 1 ONE 1 X HE | DIE. '1 ONE 1' equals three, another reference to three Beatles. The 'X' crosses out Paul because he is no longer alive. And the arrow between 'He' and 'Die' points directly to Paul.

Destor
09-08-2006, 12:13 AM
It's not a magic bullet theory. It's a "Not making up random theories" statement. There is no theory here which I am trying to assert. You are making assertions of a theory which doesn't hold water. I am simply scrutinising it. Dubbing it a "magic bullet theory" indicates how little your theory really has to stand on.Whatever. The magic bullet theory is a theory of coincidence, just as you claim this to be.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:18 AM
No, I'm claiming the conspiracy theory makes no sense and is a stretch at best.

Petethegeekstreet
09-08-2006, 12:27 AM
No, I'm claiming the conspiracy theory makes no sense and is a stretch at best.I think it makes a little sense. I mean, we're still talking about today aren't we? I can see why they would do it.

The theory of the death makes no sense, but if was a publicity stunt, I'm not surprised.

Ultimately I think most of this is fabricated by the fanbase, but some of it was probably planted to make sure people would ALWAYS talk about the Beatles, even long past the point the music lost its relevance.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:43 AM
Good job picking out the worst ones:



The people are looking at what appears to be a freshly dug grave.
The yellow flowers (directly below the flowers that spell Beatles) are in the shape of a bass guitar. Paul was the bass player for The Beatles. Because you can tell an outline of a bass guitar from a regular guitar, especially the kind Paul was playing at the time. WRONG.
There are three sticks on the yellow flowers that represent the strings of the bass. There are only THREE sticks to represent the THREE remaining Beatles. Or more likely, 4 or 6 strings wouldn't fit.

Also, notice that the yellow flowers spell out 'PAUL?'; questioning Paul's existance.Can't find this.

The doll on the right of the cover (in the white, black, and red stripes) has a small white car, with a blood red interior, on her lap. This is a model of the car that Paul died in.It also says welcome the rolling stones. Perhaps it symbolises Paul was killed by a rockslide.
Direcly below the doll's left foot is a white vase with yellow flowers in it. If you look closely it resembles a car plummeting over a cliff with flames coming out of the back end. Which backs my rockslide theory.

Below the 'T' in Beatles is a statue of the Hindu God Shiva 'The Destroyer.' Its hand points directly to Paul.On the highest res screenshot I can find, this looks like a stretch.

Notice The Beatles standing behind the drum in the center of the photo. They are standing sideways except for Paul who is facing directly forward. John, Ringo, and George look *three dimensional* while Paul looks like one of the cardboard cutouts. Partial truth, at best.
Paul is the only one holding a black instrument. Black is associated with death. This may seem insignificant now, but it turns up a few more times. So any Beatle who wears black is dead. Gotcha.
This is the first occasion where we see an open palm above Paul McCartney's head. There are many different theories as to what this signifies. It is generally taken to mean either that the person under the open palm will soon die or has recently passed away. As you will see, this turns up quite a few times.They don't even know the meaning. Assumption.

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/drumsp.gif
Take a small mirror, or the bottom of a CD will work, and place it perpendicular to the center of the drum, so that you split 'LONELY HEARTS' in half. Now read the combined writing on the drum and the mirror. It says 1 ONE 1 X HE | DIE. '1 ONE 1' equals three, another reference to three Beatles. The 'X' crosses out Paul because he is no longer alive. And the arrow between 'He' and 'Die' points directly to Paul.Shouldn't the X be in the same sequence as he appears? Like, say, rearrangeing Paul so he's on the far right? In fact, I bet they could even work another conspiracy clue out of that, because he's off to their left, actors exit stage left, and that means he's dead. In fact, I think he killed Tupac, too. What about the vertical line? It's not really an arrow, but more a diamond. Perhaps that means something. Lucy in the skies! OMG! TOO COINCIDENTAL TO BE COINCIDENCE! Perhaps diamond is a way of indicating he was killed by a rockslide, as my prior theory indicates. I believe 1 one 1 X He Died means he died at 1:11. As it is a diamond, I would imagine this is a symbol for stars, so it was at night.


While we're at it, I don't know where my copy of Sgt Peppers is, but I do believe Paul's the only one carrying a woodwind instrument. This is very significant as wood is symbolic of life. However, he's pointing it at his heart, nidicating that he is not alive, as this is how you kill a vampire, who is undead.

The plants are growing around a drum, so I'm pretty sure it was Ringo who died, anyway.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 12:49 AM
"I told you about the Walrus and me - man. We are as close as can be - man. Well here's another CLUE for you all, the WALRUS was PAUL"
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/yltri.gifJohn tells us the Walrus on the cover of the Magical Mystery Tour was Paul.

...Or, you know, he learned the story which he took the "I am the Walrus" line from in the first place was a tale in which the Walrus was not a good guy.

But it makes far more sense to assume otherwise.

Petethegeekstreet
09-08-2006, 12:53 AM
Which makes Paul a bad guy, and only furthers conspiracy.

spilzrvd_69
09-08-2006, 01:25 AM
My take on it is that there is far too many things for it all to just be a coincidence. Although a lot of it was just people looking way too deep into things.

I really don't know exactly what to believe but I can't just say "meh, coincidence". It is more than that but some of the clues are laughable.

Dave Youell
09-08-2006, 08:27 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Is_Dead

packt up
09-08-2006, 09:23 AM
Definitely B and then perhaps the Beatles played around with it just to get kicks out of all the conspiracy theorists.

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 10:05 AM
My take on it is that there is far too many things for it all to just be a coincidence. Although a lot of it was just people looking way too deep into things.

I really don't know exactly what to believe but I can't just say "meh, coincidence". It is more than that but some of the clues are laughable.

The beauty is, it doesn't have to be coincidence.

When people look hard enough for something like this, they will find it.

Sure, you can argue that every theory with this much "evidence" can't just be coincidence, but that ignores the fact that this is not coincidence. It's things taken out of context, others totally made up, and many many wild assumptions to manufacture a theory.

Someone did this deliberately, but I'd bet it was the fans.

Dave Youell
09-08-2006, 10:12 AM
The beauty is, it doesn't have to be coincidence.

When people look hard enough for something like this, they will find it.

Exactly, like that whole Judas Priest 'Do it' thing when you play the album backwards.

Heck, if you play another bites the dust it sounds like it's fun to smoke marjuana

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 10:33 AM
Exactly, like that whole Judas Priest 'Do it' thing when you play the album backwards.

Heck, if you play another bites the dust it sounds like it's fun to smoke marjuana

Led Zepplin. The whole song is another good example. And unlike Rev 9, it's pretty consistant. Rev 9 requires you to extract only specific elements from both the backwards and forward, disregard the rest, and then heavily interpret.

I'm not saying that Lennon didn't put elements in to be listened to backwards and forwards, as the whole point of the song was to be a musical experience, unlike any other. Most of these elements are a stretch at best, though.

Rev 9 backwards also sounds like it references suicide. Now I know, if I looked hard enough, I could find suicide lyrics in the Beatles. Hell, I could use some of the same ones they did. Yesterday? Oh, so easy there.

Cactus Sid
09-08-2006, 10:34 AM
If you want something equally ridiculous

http://www.dianamystery.com/

Kane Knight
09-08-2006, 10:45 AM
ROFL.

Priceless.