The Topic of Blowing your load early, or not at all...(When it comes to pushes)

[Mister Sinister]

This is something I have wondered for quite some time, and it always get discussed when someone comes in, and begins to make waves in an sense, you can name it (Kennedy, Punk, RVD, etc.)

Now, I had to live thru the holocaust that was Randy Orton face turn after winning the World Heavyweight Title from Benoit after Summerslam in 2004, and I could see that playing into the Argument of this...as well it was very shitty booking, and maybe the fact, that we finally realized, Orton wasn't ready...

However with the WWE Style of booking, it seems that pushes get destroyed just like that...

So I guess what I'm asking, is it better for WWE to blow there loads early, then perheps, not at all, or way too late?

The WWE has really bad timing regardless, so maybe in the end, it's pointless...But would it really prove better to push someone to the Title, when there heat is at it's highest point, or wait it out...when they're been buried and most fans, just really don't care anymore?

[The One]

Blowing their load too early, they can still go back and make them into legit huge stars a few years later if it's done right. If they blow it too late, that's it. That superstars time has come and passed. I say it's better to do it early than too late.

[Fignuts]

For a second there I thought I was in casual.

[El Fangel]

For a second there I thought I was in casual.

[Jordan]

Helmsphere thinks of wrestling and then blows a load.

[Mister Sinister]

Helmsphere thinks of wrestling and then blows a load.

Everyone knows Helmsphere has an never ending supply of Porn to blow loads on...

Plus the guy, that once banged four chicks in one weekend...

But seriously back on topic..

I actually agree with the One for once, that putting the title on someone too soon, is actually better then not doing it at all, or too far down the line...

I mean in a perfect world...The WWE would know when to put the title on someone...sadly, we live in an Mad World...

Mad World

Grr...Reminds me I need to go play Gears Of War.

[Savio]

I'd say cena got the title at the right time.....I dunno what relevance that brings though.

[The One]

Plenty of people got the title at just the right time for their first run...

Cena
Batista
Eddie Guerrero
Stone Cold
The Rock
Mankind
Triple H (ok, maybe his was a DAY late)
HBK
Hulk Hogan

All guys who the WWE put the strap on them at just the right moment. You notice that if it's done right, it tends to being viewed as legends. It's because everyone can remember that feeling of them just being so right as the break through performer.

[Jeritron]

All of the guys were right timing. Though some of them, like Cena and Batista lost a lot of potential due to overpushing. Cena was champion at the right time, and had a strong run over the summer, but he should have jobbed it for a few months.

You blow your load to soon on a superstar, you get a situation like Randy Orton.
You wait too long, you get a situation like Jericho or Booker T and RVD in 03

But then again, Kurt Angle seemed soon, but it worked out fine. I guess it depends on a lot of things.

[Nervous Ferret]

Hate waiting for the porn to d/l and I blow my load looking at pics of the girl before it is done d/ling :mad:

[ttetf]

I think in Kurt Angle's case, he seemed to have all the goods right away. Good character, mic skills, in ring ability, legitimate history of being a wrestler... so it was hard to object to him being a champion

[Kane Knight]

Hate waiting for the porn to d/l and I blow my load looking at pics of the girl before it is done d/ling :mad:

The internet virgin version of "premature ejaculation." :lol:

[Kane Knight]

But then again, Kurt Angle seemed soon, but it worked out fine. I guess it depends on a lot of things.

Kurt seemed perfect, but then, he's Kurt Angle.

[Stickman]

They blew it too early on Lenser, Orton, and Cena.

[Xero]

With Lesnar, it worked, but he was burnt out too fast. Had they waited a year, he may have been more willing to stick with it.

[Jeritron]

I don't think they blew it on Brock or Cena at all. Orton definitely, but with them It wasn't too soon it was just too much too soon. Brock was tremendously fast but given his character and the booking, it really worked out. He wasn't a "rising youth" working his way up the ladder and making a name for himself. He was a bomb dropped on the WWE and he went right for the title and big names. Worked very well, especially with Heyman in a managerial role.

Cena was booked well for 2 years en route to the championship, and it was time. Unfortunately I think he was initially hurt by his win being secondary to Triple H/Batista, in such a short, dissapointing and quiet match. Plus JBL wasn't exactly the most credible guy to put him over (nothing against JBL, I love him but credibility wise hes no Austin).

Then with both of them, I think they were hurt by being over exposed early. Supermen pushes. Made more sense for Lesnar than Cena, but nonetheless we saw too much of them quick. They need to settle down with Cena. Brock had plenty left in his tank too, he had yet to go to Raw and face off with guys like HHH and Shawn Michaels.

[Jeritron]

What about Undertaker? He beat Hogan in his first apperance ever, for the WWF title. Did they blow their load to soon with him?

I think it also depends on the wrestler, the circumstances, and the time.

[Inadequacy]

Everyone knows Helmsphere has an never ending supply of Porn to blow loads on...

Plus the guy, that once banged four chicks in one weekend...


And three of them only cost a nickel each! The fourth just wanted a bag of chips. (Fallen Angel, you know what I'm talkin' about)

[Xero]

What about Undertaker? He beat Hogan in his first apperance ever, for the WWF title. Did they blow their load to soon with him?

I think it also depends on the wrestler, the circumstances, and the time.
No, but Taker didn't win the championship for I believe a year. He debuted at SurvivorSeries and won it the next year at SurvivorSeries I think. Or he won it at Tuesday in Texas and dropped it at SurvivorSeries, not sure which.

[Russenmafia]

Kane has been waiting nearly 9 years for that second World title run. :rofl: :rofl:

[Stickman]

Kane has been waiting nearly 9 years for that second World title run. :rofl: :rofl:

Hopefully he never gets it.

[addy2hotty]

If I remember correctly, people were crying out for Orton to turn face when he did.

On a related note about Taker, is he the only man to ever win the WWE title on his first attempt?

[SuperSlim]

No, but Taker didn't win the championship for I believe a year. He debuted at SurvivorSeries and won it the next year at SurvivorSeries I think. Or he won it at Tuesday in Texas and dropped it at SurvivorSeries, not sure which.

Won it at Survivor Series, lost it at Tuesday in Texas

[SuperSlim]

If I remember correctly, people were crying out for Orton to turn face when he did.

On a related note about Taker, is he the only man to ever win the WWE title on his first attempt?

I think Brock's first title shot was against Rock at SummerSlam and he won that one since he won the King of the Ring and got the title shot.

Not exactly sure.

[Testicle]

I think Brock's first title shot was against Rock at SummerSlam and he won that one since he won the King of the Ring and got the title shot.

Not exactly sure.

That is correct.

[Russenmafia]

pretty sure Angle won it on his first attempt as well.

[Pardeep 619]

Angle won it on his first one-on-one attempt

[Jeritron]

Didn't Taker win it in his first attempt too? Even though I was a year off with the survivor series thing, I think his first shot was one year later...

Brock won it in his first shot.
Was WM21 Batistas first title shot?
Goldberg in 98 was too right, and then one-on-one in 03?

Chris Jericho really won it in his first shot, we all know the true story

It's hard to remember what was a wrestlers first title shot with all the Raw squashes and no decisions that take place. A good amount of guys have won it in their first PPV shot...

[Savio]

No batista was in the elimination chamber

I believe Kane won it on his first atempt Maybe nash did too.

[Jeritron]

Does an elimination chamber really count? It was the same for Goldberg

[Kane Knight]

With Lesnar, it worked, but he was burnt out too fast. Had they waited a year, he may have been more willing to stick with it.

Also, the problem with Lesnar was an issue that wouldn't have been resolved. He's made it clear that he's not big on wrestling. Giving him the title later would have likely prolonged the issue, but not solved it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think the WWE blew their load too early with Randy Orton. The fans in fucking Toronto where ready for him to beat Chris fucking Benoit. That has to tell you something. I think he was handled very poorly after he won the Title.

In hindsight, I think Orton should have handed Triple H the belt back after Evolution beat him down,r ather than spit in his face. Sure, the spitting made a great moment, but then you had nothing worthy of following it up. Orton suddenly became Stone Cold, yet he was also running for his life a lot of the time. The WWE really didn't go into the thing with a plan.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think they blew their load too early with John Cena. I was calling for JBL to retain the belt at WrestleMania 21, as a Cena win just didn't feel right to me. I think taking The Rock approach, and having him lose at WrestleMania, and maybe winning it in his next PPV opportunity, would have made people care a lot more about the win, and made him seem less like the generic face guy getting a monster push because they need a top face at WrestleMania time.

[Savio]

yeah but then he'd have to lose to JBL