View Full Version : What was the worst looking submission ever?
ttetf
02-02-2007, 11:58 AM
What was the worst looking submission you've ever seen a wrestler apply and actually win the match with? I'd have to say John Cena defeating Triple H at Wrestlemania 22 with the STFU. It looked like complete horseshit and created a totally unbelievable ending to an otherwise decent match.
FourFifty
02-02-2007, 12:14 PM
I think you already said it in your post.
The STFU.
Savio
02-02-2007, 12:14 PM
The Lion tamer/Boston Crab anytime pass 2002
ron the dial
02-02-2007, 12:33 PM
Off the top of my head, the STFU is consistently the worst applied submission. Cena doesn't even wrench back on the neck at all. He just kind of clamps their face between his forearms and pretends to be putting effort into it.
Stickman
02-02-2007, 12:53 PM
STFU and Walls of Jericho when he pussified the move.
I also find the Crippler Crossface rather shitty. Seriously, pull your arm out of his legs.
St. Jimmy
02-02-2007, 12:54 PM
Lugar's Torture Rack
addy2hotty
02-02-2007, 12:56 PM
STFU, Rocks Sharpshooter, and the post-Liontamer Walls Of Jericho. In that order.
Austin actually did the Walls Of Jericho better than Y2J did at Vengeance 2001.
Jeritron
02-02-2007, 01:01 PM
When exactly did Jericho change the walls of Jericho? I've always been under the impression that the change was made after Triple H's quad injury.
It always looked great before that.
addy2hotty
02-02-2007, 01:06 PM
When exactly did Jericho change the walls of Jericho? I've always been under the impression that the change was made after Triple H's quad injury.
It always looked great before that.
I don't think that was the reason he changed it. I remember him saying that he changed it to make it 'safer'.
Jeritron
02-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Yea, it just always seemed to me like it changed almost exactly around that time.
He put Triple H in the walls on the announce table after his tear, and did the walls the old way. Since then I haven't seen him do it the proper way. He definitely made the change at some point in the Summer of 2001.
AdrianM
02-02-2007, 01:45 PM
stfu.
I just hate the way he applies it, with his sweeping arms and legs...i dunno...it just sucks
Jeritron
02-02-2007, 01:46 PM
Kennedy did a pretty shitty looking submission at the Rumble.
At first I thought he was going for a figure four and fucked up.
redoneja
02-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Rock's Sharpshooter.
BigDaddyCool
02-02-2007, 02:14 PM
Angle's ankle lock is pretty piss poor.
Kennedy did a pretty shitty looking submission at the Rumble.
At first I thought he was going for a figure four and fucked up.
I remember thinking that it looked like a weird attempt at an Indian Death Lock but I couldn't really place it.
Everyone has said it already the STFU looks pathetic, Cena doesn't even seem to put any effort into doing the move.
I always thought Meng's Tongan Deathgrip was a pretty ridiculous submission move. It was LOL worthy even as a 10 year old kid.
Destor
02-02-2007, 03:11 PM
LOL @ you all picking the stfu. And yeah I agree with Fox.
Destor
02-02-2007, 03:13 PM
The Mandible claw was pretty gay as well. And Kerry Von Erichs Iron Claw deal. Real gay.
redoneja
02-02-2007, 03:32 PM
Killer Kowalski's Stomach Claw was pretty weak
Talking of claws reminds me that as a kid thinking Crush's double head claw to be pathetic and I still think it now.
Funky Fly
02-02-2007, 03:38 PM
STFU and Walls of Jericho when he pussified the move.
I also find the Crippler Crossface rather shitty. Seriously, pull your arm out of his legs.
Any Claw move, really. Unless you have an actual claw for a hand, it's probably gonna look like shit.
As for the Crossface, the way Benoit does it now, he doesn't lock his legs around the victim's arms anymore. It looked more vicious in WCW.
The MAC
02-02-2007, 03:46 PM
Trish's sharpshooter was fucking awful! and so is the rocks.Brets
Sharpshooter on the ringpost.. I thnk he did it ONCE only and retired the move.
When HHH used to take an hour to apply that indian deathlock (I forget its proper name)
redoneja
02-02-2007, 04:05 PM
When HHH used to take an hour to apply that indian deathlock (I forget its proper name)
The proper name is the "Indian Deathlock"
Savio
02-02-2007, 06:09 PM
Trish's sharpshooter was fucking awful! and so is the rocks.Brets
Sharpshooter on the ringpost.. I thnk he did it ONCE only and retired the move.
When HHH used to take an hour to apply that indian deathlock (I forget its proper name)Like in the smackdown games?
Snitsky did a piss poor one on kane where he had a pipe up to kane throat but put no pressure on his back.
Got to go with Rock's sharpshooter. Or as I like to call it, the "Crapshooter".
Savio
02-02-2007, 06:14 PM
Carpshooter
tucsonspeed6
02-02-2007, 06:30 PM
Nobody said the masterlock? I mean the guy gave a special name to a full nelson and now it knocks you out. It's got to be the People's elbow of submission moves.
How dare you! The People's Elbow is the most electrifying move in sports entertainment history.
starfox8500
02-02-2007, 06:43 PM
The proper name is the "Indian Deathlock"
No the proper name is Native American Deathlock :shifty:
loopydate
02-02-2007, 07:00 PM
The Mandible claw was pretty gay as well. And Kerry Von Erichs Iron Claw deal. Real gay.
Initially, the Mandible Claw wasn't so bad. Back when the announcers played up the fact that it was focused on the nerve cluster under your tongue.
But when it became a fat guy sticking a sock puppet in your mouth...
Jeritron
02-02-2007, 07:02 PM
...it became a huge draw.
Indifferent Clox
02-02-2007, 07:21 PM
This guy put me in the lion tamer in a match and I was set to win, but I almost tapped out the asshole did it so hard and wouldn't fucking let go or let me get to the ropes, he had it on for like 3 minutes seriously. I didn't want to just stand up out of it and make him and me look bad either I couldn't do any heel moves like grabbing the ref or trying for a low blow (don't know how I'd pull that off anyway), so it was like I was stuck, Plus it was for the junior heavyweight title and it was this big match and shit.
Good times.
Destor
02-03-2007, 02:05 AM
...it became a huge draw.Yeah but we're talking looks.
Destor
02-03-2007, 02:06 AM
Also any bear hug where the guy doesn't lift the opponent. I don't care how strong you are a hug just doesn't look scary.
Jeritron
02-03-2007, 02:08 AM
I know, I just had to say it in defense of the gimmick and Foley
Jeritron
02-03-2007, 02:09 AM
I still think Kennedys half ass deathlock or whatever it was at RR was the worst submission move in recent memory. I thought this at the time, and the thread just happened to come up. Consistently tho, I'd say the STFU.
Lara Emily
02-03-2007, 02:40 AM
I always thought Meng's Tongan Deathgrip was a pretty ridiculous submission move. It was LOL worthy even as a 10 year old kid.
:wtf: it's not even a submission move.
Bad Company
02-03-2007, 04:57 AM
Yeah, the tongan Death Grip was the money. Ming is one of those guys that looks genuinely tough, need more people like that these days.
KillerWolf
02-03-2007, 11:06 AM
Chris Benoit's sharpshooter, Foley's use of a sock, and, of course, the masterlock.
Please explain why Benoit's sharpshooter is worse than Rock's.
Blue Demon
02-03-2007, 11:20 AM
I always thought Meng's Tongan Deathgrip was a pretty ridiculous submission move. It was LOL worthy even as a 10 year old kid.
The MAC
02-03-2007, 11:23 AM
SHARPSHOOTERS
Benoits Sharpshooter is very good - Brets was the best, Owen was a very very close match (it just lacked having that, ITS OVER feel that Bret's had)
Beniot's is 3rd. Rock and trish are tied at the 100th position for the worse sharpshooter..
Michaels is also terrible at it - look at the SS97 montreal match Bret actually had to feed him the correct leg.
Owen could put that indian deathlock onto someone in a split second unlike HHH.
The shittiest Stunner i ever saw was when steve 'nailed' linda mcmohan with it.
KillerWolf
02-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Please explain why Benoit's sharpshooter is worse than Rock's.
because it never looks like it is "cinched in". it does not appear to be putting any pressure on the lower back (or legs really for that matter). Benoit looks like he may fall face forward at any moment and that he is always struggling to just maintain the hold, let alone apply pressure to his apponent.
the Rock's sharpshooter was considerably better in the areas i mentioned above, plus, the Rock was much smoother (seemed to struggle less) in the the application of the hold.
keep in mind, i dont say this out of disrespect or dislike for Chris Benoit. i just think that he has the worst looking sharpshooter in the business, where you would expect it to be the best, second only to Bret Hart.
Steiner's Camel Clutch and in the old WCW days the Surfboard or Bow & Arrow whatever it was called.
because it never looks like it is "cinched in". it does not appear to be putting any pressure on the lower back (or legs really for that matter). Benoit looks like he may fall face forward at any moment and that he is always struggling to just maintain the hold, let alone apply pressure to his apponent.
the Rock's sharpshooter was considerably better in the areas i mentioned above, plus, the Rock was much smoother (seemed to struggle less) in the the application of the hold.
keep in mind, i dont say this out of disrespect or dislike for Chris Benoit. i just think that he has the worst looking sharpshooter in the business, where you would expect it to be the best, second only to Bret Hart.
You never noticed that Rock STANDS when it's in? There's no pressure to the back whatsoever.
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Jeritron
02-03-2007, 12:57 PM
I'm going to be completely honest, I don't see anything wrong with any of them. Brets is obviously the best for a variety of reasons, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with Owen's or Benoits, and Rock's is fine.
Destor
02-03-2007, 01:23 PM
Benoits looks painful.
Zen v.W.o.
02-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Bret and Owen dont simply cross the legs though..ever watch Bret apply it..he takes one leg and bends it all the way downwards and crosses them near the shin..he then plants himself firmly in a seated position so that movement from his opponent is pretty much impossible. That's why it was a FINISHER. These other guys like Benoit even dont apply it as a finisher most of the time, and then end up starting to stand so that they can walk backwards and allow their opponents to grab the ropes.
Austin employed a few sharpshooters too.
KillerWolf
02-03-2007, 05:40 PM
You never noticed that Rock STANDS when it's in? There's no pressure to the back whatsoever.
true. but if you look at the images posted by jura, note the image of Benoit with SCSA in the sharpshooter. that is the exact image that comes to mind when i think of Benoit's sharpshooter.
and yeah, seeing those pics, the Rock's is pretty bad too. but i think that 90 percent of the time, that third pic of Benoit's is pretty accurate.
The only reason it looks like that is because Austin is crawling. You expect him to have his full weight on him AND allow Austin to crawl? It only looks like that when whoever is in it is crawling.
KillerWolf
02-03-2007, 10:38 PM
okay. fair enough. but all i'm sayin' is:
90 percent of the time, that third pic of Benoit's is pretty accurate.
Jeritron
02-03-2007, 10:57 PM
Thats only when someones crawling, like Xero said. It has to be done for the compettitor to crawl to the ropes, same with Brets. The pictures just don't show a pic from that situation with Bret.
Dorkchop
02-04-2007, 12:00 AM
No the proper name is Native American Deathlock :shifty:
Aboriginal Deathlock :shifty:
Dorkchop
02-04-2007, 12:09 AM
Rock's Sharpshooter
Masterlock
That claw like thing Glacier did. I think he would grab his oponent's trap. OH NO
Walls of Jericho. Liontamer was the shit. I understand the reasoning for making it mroe safe. I just don't agree with the standing crap boston crab it became.
Steiner's camel clutch (I bet the Shiek would fuck him up the ass and make him humble over it)
:wtf: it's not even a submission move.
It led to pinfalls and tap outs. I definitely remember Buff Bagwell tapping out to it.
http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=5r265a7&get=1&vcode=r6y1uqudb&filename=/owenhart15.jpg
Just another reason why Owen was the man.
Lara Emily
02-04-2007, 01:59 AM
It led to pinfalls and tap outs. I definitely remember Buff Bagwell tapping out to it.
99.9999% of the time it was a quick nerve hold used to gain a pinfall.
I don't actually remeber it ever eing a submission hold but I suppose I'll take you word for it.
Either way it's a badass little move
Destor
02-04-2007, 02:18 AM
DO people actually have to submit to make it a submission hold? I'm mean:
99.9999% of the time it was a quick nerve hold used to gain a pinfall.
?
Zen v.W.o.
02-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Thats only when someones crawling, like Xero said. It has to be done for the compettitor to crawl to the ropes, same with Brets. The pictures just don't show a pic from that situation with Bret.
Not at all the same with Bret. When Bret applied it he always applied it excellently and smoothly. It was locked in man without any movement. Because it was a finisher when he used it. How many times has Benoit finished anyone off with it? If he isnt gonna finish his opponents with it, he may as well just not apply it.
Zen v.W.o.
02-04-2007, 02:45 PM
http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=5r265a7&get=1&vcode=r6y1uqudb&filename=/owenhart15.jpg
Just another reason why Owen was the man.
hell yes!
Lara Emily
02-04-2007, 10:32 PM
DO people actually have to submit to make it a submission hold? I'm mean:
?
I call it more of a pinning hold than a submission move. Maybe I'm just calling a flower une fleur though *shrugs*
Vastardikai
02-05-2007, 04:29 AM
Not at all the same with Bret. When Bret applied it he always applied it excellently and smoothly. It was locked in man without any movement. Because it was a finisher when he used it. How many times has Benoit finished anyone off with it? If he isnt gonna finish his opponents with it, he may as well just not apply it.
How many times has Benoit won the Sharpshooter? Enough for his version to be seen as a match ender. And Triple H and Micheals come to mind as Benoit's Sharpshooter victims. Why is it not always the match ender? Maybe to add, I dunno, DRAMA to the match.
The MAC
02-05-2007, 04:36 AM
when bret put the sharpshooter on the match was over. Rock pussyfied it..why was he even using it? I can understand Benoit n trish (canadian people )
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