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King Jericho
12-12-2003, 06:48 PM
I dont expect anyone has seen it yet [like myself] but just talk about the film or whatever now and when you see it.

Has anyone else heard that Christopher Lee's (Saruman) parts in the final movie have been cut from the final film, though I suspect that his parts will be in the special extended version.

discuss

Marbear
12-13-2003, 03:39 PM
yeah Christopher Lee's parts have been cut for the theatrical version, but they'll be added back in to the extended version. Actually, they've cut a few different parts from the movie that I think they shouldn't have but apparently all are being added to the extended version so I guess it's ok.

Anyways, 4 days. I can hardly wait :mad:

Jordan X
12-13-2003, 04:02 PM
This movie is going to so totally rule, I don' think I have awaited a movie this much since Phantom Menace. WHOO!

Vega
12-13-2003, 04:27 PM
2 of my friends have a midnight ticket, I don't know if I want to see it THAT bad though. I'll probably just see it opening day, doubt I will go at midnight.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-13-2003, 05:27 PM
Just booked to see it Wednesday morning :cool:

For some reason the 1.30 afternoon showing was the only one sold out :wtf:

Still, :cool:

King Jericho
12-13-2003, 07:00 PM
I should be going to see it either next sunday or monday which is a little later than i would like :'(

Are there any parts your really looking foward too, that you've either seen from the trailor or read from the book or whatever?
I think everybodys looking forward to the battle for the pelennor fields, which that bits it has shown from the trailor look absolutly awesome, the parts with the Nazgul and when Gandalf is riding on shadowfax and his staff glows white or whatever.

I really can't wait for this movie, but its awesome that the movie looks so good but it sucks that its the last of the movies :(
But there considering making 'The Hobbit' but i dont think Peter Jackson is directing.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-13-2003, 07:03 PM
I haven't read the book in ages but Shellob should be awesome. And of course the finale with the ring (not saying anything else cause spoilers)

-edit- oh yeah and judging by the other two the music should rock. Howard Shore = :y:

King Jericho
12-13-2003, 07:07 PM
I want to she the Shelob parts aswell, to see how shes played off and what not.
Also i'll be watching Eliga [sp] Woods' performance to see how much hes changed from the first movie the the third. Also the parts with Legolas cos hes the man :love:

King Jericho
12-13-2003, 07:09 PM
I haven't read the book in ages but Shellob should be awesome. And of course the finale with the ring (not saying anything else cause spoilers)

-edit- oh yeah and judging by the other two the music should rock. Howard Shore = :y:

Yeh the ROTK sound track does rule, aswell do both the others, The return of the King sound track is better than the Two Towers imo tho :o

But i love the riders of Rohan music from TTT

and yes Howard Shore is the man

Champion of Europa
12-13-2003, 08:26 PM
It's gonna be hot.

Also, I have a question.

How would Arwen be giving up her immortality if she dated/married/performed fellatio/had sex with Aragorn?

I never got that part. I wanna know this before I start reading the ROTK book.

King Jericho
12-14-2003, 08:16 AM
It's gonna be hot.

Also, I have a question.

How would Arwen be giving up her immortality if she dated/married/performed fellatio/had sex with Aragorn?

I never got that part. I wanna know this before I start reading the ROTK book.



************CONTAINS SPOILERS SO DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW***********

I think its two things, the first i think is that if the power of all the magic rings has gone, then the Elves power and immortality will no longer be with them, because the Elves are immortal they have been around for many many years etc etc and there has always been magic rings which i think gives there race there magic power and immortality, so when the 'one ring' is destroyed all the other magic rings powers will go thus making the elves have no power, SO!! the only way the Elves can stay immortal is by leaving middle earth and going to the Grey Havens, which is across the sea, so there immortality and power will only sustain if they leave middle earth.

OR its that Elvish wemon cant give there love to a mortal man or get married to a mortal man, or its if they have a baby together that might do it or something.
Hope that kinda explains it, its a bit tricky and havn't read the Sil Marilion [which is the story surrounding LOTR and what happens to the characters etc etc before the LOTR books in a good while]

:y:

Mr. Monday Morning
12-14-2003, 08:23 AM
The Silmarillion is what happens before LotR, and the Hobbit come to that. There are instances in there of elves and mortals forming couples and no mention of the elves losing their immortality being made...I haven't read the LotR books in a while but I'm not sure if it isn't something they introduced to the films to give the romance angle a bit more emphasis, since Arwen isn't in the books half as much as she is in the films.

King Jericho
12-14-2003, 08:39 AM
The Silmarillion is what happens before LotR, and the Hobbit come to that. There are instances in there of elves and mortals forming couples and no mention of the elves losing their immortality being made...I haven't read the LotR books in a while but I'm not sure if it isn't something they introduced to the films to give the romance angle a bit more emphasis, since Arwen isn't in the books half as much as she is in the films.

my bad with the silmarilion :o I dont know why i said after.

when Arwen took Glorfindel's place in the movie when taking Frodo to Rivendell after Frodo got stabbed on top of weathertop. I always liked Glorfindel in the books and when he wasn't in the fellowship i was like :(

But its because Arwens parts need to be beefed up

Kane Knight
12-14-2003, 09:57 AM
I don't think it's as literal as that.

After all, when her father speaks to Aragorn, he paints a picture of her mourning him eternally when he finally does die.

After all, is it not losing your immortality if you do not live it?

Champion of Europa
12-14-2003, 10:03 AM
OK, I just found the answer:

Elrond and his brother Elros were given the choice, as half-elfs, to either choose an Elven path (i.e immortality) or a human one (i.e mortality). Elrond chose immortality, Elros chose mortality and became the first king of Numenor (Aragorn is descended from this line of kings). The children of Elrond were to be offered teh same choice: to go with him to the West and stay immortal, or if they did not go with him to stay in Middle Earth and become mortal. Arwen's brothers went with their father, she for her love of Aragorn stayed and laid herself down in grief to die in the remains of Lothlorien.

BTW, Hugo Weaving. :love: I could hardly recognize him till I saw TTT for like the 3rd time.

Marbear
12-14-2003, 03:06 PM
OK, I just found the answer:

Elrond and his brother Elros were given the choice, as half-elfs, to either choose an Elven path (i.e immortality) or a human one (i.e mortality). Elrond chose immortality, Elros chose mortality and became the first king of Numenor (Aragorn is descended from this line of kings). The children of Elrond were to be offered teh same choice: to go with him to the West and stay immortal, or if they did not go with him to stay in Middle Earth and become mortal. Arwen's brothers went with their father, she for her love of Aragorn stayed and laid herself down in grief to die in the remains of Lothlorien.



Yep, that happens in the Silmarillion,which is a pretty amazing read. Also, there's a bit about it in the appendices to The Lord of the Rings. But one thing, Elrond's sons didn't actually go with him into the West. They apparently stayed on Middle Earth a bit longer but were still accounted among the Elves and were allowed to leave when they were ready.

Joeleosis
12-16-2003, 06:20 AM
<center><font color=white face="Comic Sans MS">I bought a ticket to this at 12:01am, going with a few of my friends. Problem is, I haven't seen the first two, so I rented them and I'm about to go spend 6 hours watching this stuff.

I'll probably end up being obsessed with LotR after this, I'm nerdy like that. But it'll have to co-exist with my current wave of X-Men nostalgia and whatnot. :p Anyway, I read the books back in the day but I hardly remember any of it.

Anyway, who be seeing it? Post your thoughts after seeing it. </font>

Disturbed316
12-16-2003, 08:18 AM
As soon as I can see it, I will.

Sickboy
12-16-2003, 11:17 AM
I'm gonna go see it, but probably after Christmas.

Marbear
12-16-2003, 12:57 PM
ha;sdj;asdjas can't wait. 11 hours to go :heart:

I'm seeing it at 12:01 and we're doing the marathon today too. Joel, watch the extended versions of the first two :y:

loopydate
12-16-2003, 12:57 PM
I've got my tickets. Eleven more hours...

KleptoKlown
12-16-2003, 01:37 PM
lkjdfslkjflaskd

im looking so forward to this.

TOMORROW MANGS

asphyXy
12-16-2003, 03:22 PM
<font color=969696>I'm seeing it Saturday.</font>

The Snake
12-16-2003, 05:19 PM
just found out my buddy who manages a few Hoyts is givin' us a private screenin' tonight @ 12. Good stuff :y: Don't have to fight crowds and what not.

AareDub
12-16-2003, 08:13 PM
Woooo, going to the 12:01 screening tonight. A little less than 5 hours to go!

Big Fat Mike
12-16-2003, 11:26 PM
nerds.


















J/k im gonna go see it tomorrow.

road doggy dogg
12-17-2003, 12:20 AM
Damn I better go see it this week sometime

Vega
12-17-2003, 02:47 AM
I'm seeing it Friday. I can wait a few more days.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-17-2003, 10:50 AM
It ruled(s)

Nuff said

AareDub
12-17-2003, 12:14 PM
Yea it was pretty good. If anybody has any questions or anything feel free to ask.

Marbear
12-17-2003, 02:20 PM
It was amazing. I have faith that the stuff they cut out will be in the extended version though. :mad:

Guest #1
12-17-2003, 03:38 PM
I had tickets for the Midnight showing, paid in advance, then got a call from a relative saying they were stuck at work and needed a ride. Missed it, and all my friends have seen it.... Man am I bummed! :(

Spoon Bender
12-17-2003, 03:56 PM
How many times did that film end!? Great film. Fellowship is still the best.

I might be wrong, but isn't Gandalf supposed to kill the Witch King?

AareDub
12-17-2003, 09:16 PM
Fellowship is still the best.

I agree.

Not sure about who was supposed to kill the Witch King thing, but in Fellowship didn't they say that those things couldn't be destroyed?

DS
12-17-2003, 09:21 PM
Thought it was great. One of the best, if not the best, trilogy I've seen. Wouldn't mind seeing that again.

Y2Ant
12-17-2003, 10:32 PM
I saw it Tuesday niiiiite @ 10pm, pretty ****ing awesome :heart:

It wasn't too long, I wanted more :(

Y2Ant
12-17-2003, 10:32 PM
Oh yeah, and I could easily watch all three in a row :o

G
12-18-2003, 12:04 AM
I wanna see it :(

What Would Kevin Do?
12-18-2003, 12:58 AM
Hate to be the odd man out here, but hey. THe first one was decent, the second was my favorite of the three. Regretfully, I thought Return of the King just dragged. I was more interested in the movie ending then the actual end itself. It ultimately bored me. I'm also going to have to see it again next week, so we'll see if the rewatch is any better.... I might bring a pillow to be on the safe side.

loopydate
12-18-2003, 02:09 AM
Hate to be the odd man out here, but hey. THe first one was decent, the second was my favorite of the three. Regretfully, I thought Return of the King just dragged. I was more interested in the movie ending then the actual end itself. It ultimately bored me. I'm also going to have to see it again next week, so we'll see if the rewatch is any better.... I might bring a pillow to be on the safe side.

I agree. I actually saw it twice in a 24-hour period (two separate groups of friends wanted to see it), and both times I was checking my watch at about the 1-hour mark. The ending is entirely too long, as well.

It's still very good (and I love Peter Jackson's homages to his horror roots), but overall, I think this was my least favorite of the three.

1) Two Towers
2) Fellowship
3) Return

Marbear
12-18-2003, 02:10 AM
How many times did that film end!? Great film. Fellowship is still the best.

I might be wrong, but isn't Gandalf supposed to kill the Witch King?


Nah, Eowyn and Merry kind of both kill him in the book. He says that a man can't kill him, although Gandalf's not really a man either but still. :p

Marbear
12-18-2003, 02:11 AM
I thought the Fellowship dragged, exactly like the book does. It doesn't get good until after the half way mark.

Lara Emily
12-18-2003, 02:36 AM
I really really enjoyed it. It was amazing as all 3 were. But I tell ya poor Sam gets no respect.

Dave Youell
12-18-2003, 03:05 AM
I loved it

Got to love the heel turn at the end

And then back to the face turn

#1-wwf-fan
12-18-2003, 04:01 AM
I hope they sent Triumph to the premiere.

Joeleosis
12-18-2003, 04:51 AM
<center><font color=white face="Comic Sans MS">I don't know why I waited so long to watch those movies. LotR is one of the best ****ing trilogies I've seen. I gotta see Return Of The King again. :love: </font>

BigDaddyCool
12-18-2003, 10:53 AM
Hot damn did it rule, I saw it at 7 last night. While I bought my tickets early (two days), and got there like an hour early, the line to get in the theater itself strerched half way across the theater.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-18-2003, 12:14 PM
Yeah I saw it at 10.30 yesterday morning, when I came out there was a queue all through the cinema to the doors waiting to go into the next screening :o

-edit- Apparently it's done $8m from the midnight screenings on opening day alone :eek:

DegenerationY
12-18-2003, 03:14 PM
I haven't seen the first one yet, but I've seen the second one like 3 times.

I do wanna see the first one before I see the 3rd one, but I was able to get the idea of exactly what was going on anyway in the 2nd one.

I've heard so many good things about the ROTK, now I can't wait to see it.

It actually got a rather poor review in the SF Chronicle, but they also said that Speed 2 was one of the best movies of its year, and thusly, I don't really give their reviews a care.

KleptoKlown
12-18-2003, 03:35 PM
***spoiler***(black text)

<font color=black>wtf, no Saruman. What were they smoking when they didnt conclude what happened to him.</font>

Marbear
12-18-2003, 03:40 PM
Big Kev, look for the extended version in November. It's gonna clear a lot of storylines up that the theatrical version couldn't, due to time constraints. :y:

Champion of Europa
12-18-2003, 05:40 PM
That rocked.

Gonna see it again Christmas Eve, prolly.

But its a tie between that and Two Towers.

Not enough Faramir or Pippin in either of those. :mad:

:wtf: No Eomer speaking lines.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-18-2003, 05:52 PM
:wtf: No Eomer speaking lines.

:wtf:

Off the top of my head, when the Rohan are camped out and he and Eowyn talk about why he thinks Pippen shouldn't go into the battle.

Aso the line after the Minas Tirith battle when they're planning the assault on Mordor it's him who says something like "We cannot win by force of arms alone"

..and there were others (just can't remember the details)

AareDub
12-18-2003, 06:18 PM
:wtf:

Off the top of my head, when the Rohan are camped out and he and Eowyn talk about why he thinks Pippen shouldn't go into the battle.


Haha, that's where one of my favorite lines from the movie comes from. He says something along the lines of "I don't doubt the strength of his heart, it's the reach of his arms."

Champion of Europa
12-18-2003, 06:27 PM
Oh, I completely forgot about that.

Vega
12-19-2003, 10:18 PM
God movie. Better than Two Towers, although

SPOILER

the end with Frodo having to leave was kind of WTF

/SPOILER

still really good.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-20-2003, 03:31 AM
God movie. Better than Two Towers, although

SPOILER

the end with Frodo having to leave was kind of WTF

/SPOILER

still really good.

That part of the end is mostly a reflection by Tolkein on the effects of war on people. Since he served in WWI he saw a lot of people he served with in the aftermath not able to readjust to a 'normal' life. Frodo doesn't *have* to leave, he simply chooses to.

Vega
12-20-2003, 03:48 AM
That part of the end is mostly a reflection by Tolkein on the effects of war on people. Since he served in WWI he saw a lot of people he served with in the aftermath not able to readjust to a 'normal' life. Frodo doesn't *have* to leave, he simply chooses to.

That might make sense, if Frodo had actually been involved in some of the big battles. He was in one battle in the first movie with that huge ass orc, other than that I can't recall any he was in. WHEREAS some of the other people staying behind were involved in a lot more than that.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-20-2003, 05:43 AM
That might make sense, if Frodo had actually been involved in some of the big battles. He was in one battle in the first movie with that huge ass orc, other than that I can't recall any he was in. WHEREAS some of the other people staying behind were involved in a lot more than that.

Carrying the ring pretty much destroyed him though...

Bo
12-20-2003, 01:43 PM
Yeah I saw it. It was very good. Just lost feeling in my as about halfway through.

The Dastardly One
12-20-2003, 02:36 PM
Hot movie.

McKellum is the man.

Buzzkill
12-20-2003, 02:38 PM
so where did gandalf and frodo go in the end exactly?

Mr. Monday Morning
12-20-2003, 03:19 PM
Without goin into too much detail on the complete backstory, to the west is where the Elves originally came from and is where the Gods of the world live. Basically it's Paradise, pretty much, more or less what Gandalf describes inside Minas Tirith in the scene with Merry.

Team Sheep
12-20-2003, 03:50 PM
I felt sorry for Sam when Gollum framed him with the bread, and Frodo said he didn't need him anymore, and Sam was crying as Frodo walked off. Poor old Sam :( Sam deserved more recognition than Frodo. He protected Frodo, carried him up the mountain .etc. Frodo did nothing in return :mad: Very good movie though, I'll probably watch it again soon. :y:

Vega
12-20-2003, 04:00 PM
Carrying the ring pretty much destroyed him though...

True.

Spoon Bender
12-20-2003, 04:11 PM
{lepto]{lown']***spoiler***(black text)

<font color=black>wtf, no Saruman. What were they smoking when they didnt conclude what happened to him.</font>

One rumour was that Christopher Lee kicked up some kind of stink and made out that the film would be nothing without him, so they cut his scene. More likely it was just to do with time. It was pretty stupid the way they found the Palantir in the water, but I've got faith in the extended DVD.

Jordan X
12-20-2003, 09:46 PM
Yeah it was really good but the end after the ring was destroyed dragged majorly, really good movie, although this was the worst of the three as far as acting goes (with the exception of Sam and Gandolf). Frodo was very unatural with many of his lines and it was just weak. But oh well, still a great great movie. Oh and one more thing, did we need all that fighting? We got and hour in the last one did we really need another?

Dragon
12-21-2003, 11:30 AM
I thought it was really good, there was a few things I didn't get though. Like what that thing they found in the water was.

And yeah, the acting when Frodo woke up and was laughing and greeting everybody was a little weird.

Champion of Europa
12-21-2003, 11:40 AM
I thought it was really good, there was a few things I didn't get though. Like what that thing they found in the water was.

And yeah, the acting when Frodo woke up and was laughing and greeting everybody was a little weird.

I was expecting a hobbit orgy any minute.

AareDub
12-21-2003, 11:51 AM
I thought it was really good, there was a few things I didn't get though. Like what that thing they found in the water was.

Do you mean at the beginning where Smeagol's friend finds the ring?

Mr. Monday Morning
12-21-2003, 12:13 PM
I thought it was really good, there was a few things I didn't get though. Like what that thing they found in the water was.

And yeah, the acting when Frodo woke up and was laughing and greeting everybody was a little weird.

Oh yeah, the palentir (sp)...it's from the first movie, it's the crystal ball type thing Saruman uses to communicate with Sauron. I think that should be explained a bit more in the extended edition... :o

Blitz
12-21-2003, 02:08 PM
Amazing film. a few random notes
- :y: at the part of the beginning with Smeagol and Deagol fishing.
- :rofl: at Legolas destroying the giant elephant thing and everyone on it and Gimli saying, "that still only counts as one"
-Lord of the Nazgul=King Bad Ass
- :nono: at Frodo's treatment of Sam. Jerk.
-Battle of Pellenor Fields- :eek:
-Army of the Dead-Cool special effect. Eagles and Fell Beasts-cooler special effect. Shelob-coolest special effect.
-best performances-Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin, Billy Boyd, Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis
-Best tear jerking moment-Aragorn: [to hobbits as they bow to him] My friends... you bow to no one. [Everyone bows to the hobbits]

Too bad there weren't more books. I could see a hundred more of these films.

Team Sheep
12-21-2003, 04:23 PM
I can understand them bowing to Frodo and Sam, but why Merry and Pippin? :wtf:

Gandalf the Grey
12-21-2003, 05:23 PM
Ah! I liked it very much.

Jordan X
12-21-2003, 09:17 PM
I can understand them bowing to Frodo and Sam, but why Merry and Pippin? :wtf:

You just can't say, MERRY PIPPIN GO AWAY. thats why

loopydate
12-21-2003, 09:21 PM
You just can't say, MERRY PIPPIN GO AWAY. thats why

Aragorn could have said, "Hey, look! Longbottom leaf!" Then, when Merry and Pippin turned and said "Where? Where?" everybody bows real quick to Frodo and Sam, then stands back up. When Merry and Pippin turn back around, Aragorn shrugs and says "Oh. Sorry. My mistake."

Ninti the Mad
12-21-2003, 11:31 PM
AWESOME movie.

Words cannot describe it.(Well, they can :shifty: )

I dont think the ending dragged. It was done very well. I wouldnt want some shoddy ending where you dont know what happens with the characters. Very nice.

This one is the best. Frodo cant act? LOL

He didnt need lines to act. He did it all in his struggle to get the ring across. Man, tear jerking movie.

asphyXy
12-21-2003, 11:39 PM
<font color=969696>All three movies were awesome.</font> :y:

thebitch
12-22-2003, 11:45 AM
Oh my god. After reading this topic, I'm completely dumbfounded.

How many of you actually read the book?! I saw maybe one....maybe.

1)The beginning with Smeagol and his brother was great.
2)The acting lacked majorly. Frodo over-dramatized the ring's effect on him. He just...lacked overall.
3)The lack of Sarumon. They never did explain what happened to him.
4)Aragorn. The man is the king of Gondor, yes. Seriously, think about it though. If some random jackass came up to you and said "I am your king, bow", would you? No. They left out the whole Kingsfoil part. In the book, when Faramir is injured, after they take him out of the place where they're going to burn him, Aragorn comes in to save him. He asks for Kingsfoil, and a random person around him says "That's a weed. Only the King can use it to heal somebody", they get the kingsfoil, he uses it, and saves Faramir.
5)Faramir and Eowyn's romance: At the end, it just shows them together. It doesn't show them getting married, nor the romance between them. That is a huge plot point. Faramir of Gondor and Eowyn of Rohan getting married ties the two nations together.
6)The Gray Havens: They only showed the last boat going, which is like the book described. First off, Ciridan the Shipwright didn't have a beard. He is the only Elf in Tolkien's books that has a beard, and they didn't show him with one. Frodo also failed to mention that he left Bag End to Sam and Rosie.
7)Bag End: At the end of the movie, once the Elven leaders, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo leave for the Havens, Sam and Rosie are supposed to be living in Bag End. Sam/Rosie lived in Bag End with Frodo for the years after the War, but it wasn't Bag End that Sam/Rosie lived in at the end.
8)Aragorn: ---edit--I stand corrected --end edit--
9)Arwen and Elrond: They never mentioned in the movie that Elrond, Arwen, and Elthend (did I spell that right?!) were all half-Elven. They have to make a choice whether to live the mortal life, or an immortal Elven life. Elrond picked an Elven life, so his children (Arwen and Elthend) had to make a choice. Arwen chose mortal life, and Elthend chose Elven and left to the Havens as well.
10)Legolas: Peter Jackson did a great job covering a hole in Tolkein's writings. Legolas Greenleaf is the only Elf in the books to have a last name. All other Elves have a special thing to go around thier names, but they are all Royalty. True, but so is Legoals. Galadriel and Celeborn are the Lady and Lord of the Wood. Master Elrond is the lord of Rivendell, with Arwen being the Lady of Rivendell. Legolas Greenleaf is the Prince of the Elven Relm near Mirkwood, Yet he is the only Elf to have a last name.

Overall: This was a great trilogy. Peter Jackson has balls, and it was either a hit-or-miss situation, and he definitly hit. I'm looking forward to the extended version DVD of the movie, to see if these scenes were actually filmed or if they were just cut. After 3 years of rigorous filming, interpreting, and battlescene after battlescene, Jackson made a set of books into a Glorious thing. Now, he just needs to do the same to "The Hobbit" and possibly the Samarillion. 8/10

AareDub
12-22-2003, 11:47 AM
Just saw the final film of the Lord of the Rings trilogy just last Saturday afternoon. It is a 3 hour and twenty minute film but to me it didn't seem like it was all that long. The movie went by kind of fast in my book.

I really liked the movie, as I've said before, but I have to admit that this was the only movie out of the 3 that I really noticed how long I'd been sitting in the theatre. I was very aware of how long it was taking the whole time. That's not really a complaint though, the movie was still amazing.

AareDub
12-22-2003, 11:53 AM
8)Aragorn: They never once mentioned the fact that he was one of the very few men remaining on Middle-Earth that was a special breed. I don't remember the exact name, but Aragorn has extended life. During the Third Age of Middle-Earth (Both Wars of the Ring), Aragorn was born. In the last battle at the Black Gates of Mordor, Aragorn is 90 years old. They never mentioned that he and Arwen have been in love for almost 70 years; That's why Elrond allowed his Daughter to give up the Evenstar and become mortal.


Actually that is covered in the extended edition of The Two Towers. Eowyn mentions that her father thinks Aragon fought alongside her grandfather or something along those lines. He tells her that it is true, he's some breed that is blessed with long life and that he is like 87 years old.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 11:54 AM
Actually that is covered in the extended edition of The Two Towers. Eowyn mentions that her father thinks Aragon fought alongside her grandfather or something along those lines. He tells her that it is true, he's some breed that is blessed with long life and that he is like 87 years old.

Ahh...don't have that extended version. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:09 PM
For those complaining about the long ending that was for a reason. Peter Jackson did that on purpose because after all the long 10 hours of Lord of the Rings, he wanted a long refreshing ending to the whole series.

Yep, many J.R.R. Tolkien book reading nuts of course would be dissapointed by the films because of so much scenes cut from the books. So quit your complaining. All movies based on books do that. I've read all three books before I even seen the movies, I've read the books many times. And I still love the movies. It's not just a trilogy, it's all just one whole movie.

OK, seriously, you're stupid. First off, for you to say that you know for fact that Peter Jackson made an outrageously long ending because after 10 hours (which is wrong, btw) of LoTR, he wanted a refreshing ending? Bullshit.

For you to say that all 3 movies is only 10 hours is way off. With the Directors Cut of each film (what they actually filmed), there is about 12 to 13 hours of movie. I went to a showing of all 3 films right after eachother, and with intermission between them it lasted 14 and a half hours.

Then, for you to say that I'm bitching about cut scenes, you're half right. If it wasn't a scene that was really important (hence I had nothing to complain about in FoTR and TTT), it wouldn't be important. If you read the books, it was easier for you to understand these things. My brother has never once read the books, but watched all 3 movies. There were things he still didn't understand about it at the end, such as how people just decided to bow to Aragorn, what was with Eowyn and Faramir, etc. And no, if you've ever been to a movie that was made after a book, they don't cut important plotlines out. Thats stupid. I love the movies also, but I'm also going to critisize it if they cut out important plot moments, which they did.

Now please, do us all a favor and go back to where you came from and never, ever come back.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:18 PM
Just for the hell of it, lets call you out on some of your other comments.

In Return of the King, it seemed like Pippin was the leading character.
Not really. Yes, he was given more air time in this movie, simply because it was he whom Sauron thought had the ring.


All I have to say is that this movie is the best I've seen in years. It was Lord of the Rings that made me lose interest in Star Wars. I don't care for Star Wars anymore. Lord of the Rings is my favorite movie trilogy ever.
Although this was a damn good trilogy, get out more. If this is the absolute best you've seen, you need to watch more movies. Best of its' kind, yes. Best ever, I wouldn't say so. Also, for you to say that you had any interest in Star Wars once episode 1 was released makes you a fool. George Lucas should've stopped at Return of the Jedi.


I would suggest you all to go see this right away. I praise director Peter Jackson for making such an outstanding and marvelous movie. Peter Jackson's film directing career started off doing horror films. Now that I think of it, if Peter Jackson never did horror movies, he wouldn't have done the LOTR trilogy.
Thank you, captain obvious. If Viggo Mortenson was never an actor, he probably wouldn't have played Aragorn either.


If I was to pick an Lord of the Rings star to win an Oscar award, my money is on Sean Astin who played the role of Sam. Sean Astin really shows his acting talent in Return of the King. He is such an underrated actor. If you are unfamiliar on who Sean Astin is, he played Mikey in the movie "The Goonies". Astin deserves to get more recognition and I think after doing Lord of the Rings trilogy, will open more doors for him in the future.
Ok, if the only reference of his past is from The Goonies, you really, really need to see more great american classics. What about Rudy? Rudy was one of his best performances ever, other than LoTR. And no, it won't open doors for him any time soon. Lets see, Orlando Bloom has already released...one movie? He has another comming soon (TROY!). Viggo is starring in a movie to be released March 2004. Liv Tyler has been in a few minor roles. If it were to truely open doors, he would have already started at least filming another movie.

Ninti the Mad
12-22-2003, 06:21 PM
ass hat

lol

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:26 PM
Yes, that's the only reason for that ending to make it a refreshing and emotional ending. That's the reason it was long.

But all movies based on books cut out scenes all the time. Every adapted movie from a book is different from one another. They cut out parts from the book, to make it work for the movie.

And no one tells me what to do and where to post. I just gave my opinions and explanations. So why don't you go back to where you came from instead of flaming people for no reason. Asshat.

Really? I mean really? Of course they cut scenes. In any movie they are going to cut scenes. But not ones that are huge in the plotline. It's stupid to cut something that is huge in the plot.

Wait, of course you'd think its cool to cut a huge plot event:
I mean, you think Sean Astin is a good actor.

Champion of Europa
12-22-2003, 06:29 PM
Really? I mean really? Of course they cut scenes. In any movie they are going to cut scenes. But not ones that are huge in the plotline. It's stupid to cut something that is huge in the plot.

Wait, of course you'd think its cool to cut a huge plot event:
I mean, you think Sean Astin is a good actor.

See, what is essential to the plotline is what is in the movie, not what is in the book.

There are people who only want to watch the movies and not read the books, and what they don't see they don't consider essential.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:33 PM
True. But, if you didn't read the books (and I don't know if you did or not), would you have known that Eowyn and Faramir got married? Thats one of the bigger ones, simply because that united the race of men.

I dunno. I just think if I didn't read the book, I would've wondered what the hell happened between Eowyn/Faramir, and why people just decided to trust Aragorn when he said he was King. Not everybody knew it, so I would've been skeptical.

Other than that, they are things that nobody would notice nor care about if they didn't read the books. Hence, I gave it an 8/10.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:43 PM
You really, really need a new opinion. Hell, even Kate Blanchet was better than him, and I absolutely hate her as Galadriel

Champion of Europa
12-22-2003, 06:45 PM
True. But, if you didn't read the books (and I don't know if you did or not), would you have known that Eowyn and Faramir got married? Thats one of the bigger ones, simply because that united the race of men.

I dunno. I just think if I didn't read the book, I would've wondered what the hell happened between Eowyn/Faramir, and why people just decided to trust Aragorn when he said he was King. Not everybody knew it, so I would've been skeptical.

Other than that, they are things that nobody would notice nor care about if they didn't read the books. Hence, I gave it an 8/10.

I have read Return of the King, but they really didn't show Faramir and Eowyn enough together for people to really care.

Also, after that war defending Gondor and Helm's Deep, that would've bought me that he was the King.

thebitch
12-22-2003, 06:49 PM
But how many Gondorians knew of the battle at Helms Deep? Not to mention, most Rangers are damn good with a sword.

Champion of Europa
12-22-2003, 06:56 PM
But how many Gondorians knew of the battle at Helms Deep? Not to mention, most Rangers are damn good with a sword.

I imagine they were told of it once the Rohanians helped the Gondorians.

The Rohanians figured it out after Helm's Deep and the Gondorians figured it out after Pelennor.

Loose Cannon
12-22-2003, 07:07 PM
Yeah Astin was my fav actor in the movie too and was also great in Rudy. Anyway, I saw the movie last night and all I can say is Holy Sh**. RotK is definately hands down my favorite movie of the trilogy and the best movie I' have ever seen in the theater. Just an all around excellent movie which had it all: action, drama, suspense, comedy, and many heart-felt moments. My favorite moment in the movie was when Pippin stabs the Witch King from behind and then the King's daughter(I forget her name) finishes him off. I usually never tear up in a theater, but I was so close when everyone bowed down to the four hobbits. That was such a moment and the backround music behind it made it very very touching.

Most of you have complained about the ending being to long, but I enjoyed the ending as a great story like LOTR needed the proper sendoff showing us what happens to all the chracters in depth. But I felt sorry for anyone who had to go to the bathroom really bad and they thought it was going to end and it just kept going :lol: But all in all LOTR was easily the best movie series of all-time.

AareDub
12-22-2003, 07:33 PM
Just to clarify something, when I was talking about noticing how long the movie was, I was not talking about the ending. I was aware throughout the whole movie of how long things were taking. Based on interviews and such I'd seen before the movie I was under the impression that the encounter with Shelob was right at the beginning of the movie. I couldn't believe how long it took them to get up that damn staircase! Then after all that the trip across the rest of mordor was surprisingly quick. Anyway, since Dark_Kane mentioned people bitching about the long ending I just wanted to say that (if he was referring to me) I wasn't bitching about the ending (really I wasn't even bitching, just mentioning something I noticed).

MVP
12-23-2003, 12:22 AM
I thought Arwen was supposed to fight in Return of the King. In the previews it showed her on a horse with the Hadafang ready for battle, but instead she was hardly in the movie at all.

Still the best trilogy ever to grace the silver screen though.

Mr. Monday Morning
12-23-2003, 04:17 AM
I don't remember seeing that :wtf:

Sure that wasn't Eowyn?

Arwen doesn't fight at all anyhoo :-\

Spoon Bender
12-23-2003, 12:36 PM
The only real criticism I can think of at the moment is more of a reflection on Two Towers than Return of the King. It's just that I think they built up Sam and Frodo's relationship too fast in the second movie, so by the time you get to the third it ceases to be touching and just becomes a bit annoying. I found myself thinking "Yeah, the ring's shit. You can't cope. We get that can we move things along a little now? No he's going to sit down and cry for a bit."
It's not that this was bad, it was just that we'd already seen it in the second film and so didn't really need to focus on it again.

King Jericho
12-23-2003, 12:37 PM
I can understand them bowing to Frodo and Sam, but why Merry and Pippin? :wtf:

Well Merry helped Eowyn kill the Witch King, and Pippin helped stop Denethor from burning Faramir. that might add something to them being there.

The Dastardly One
12-23-2003, 12:58 PM
lol, thebitch is hilarious. You just tore the whole movie apart basically, and then gave it 8/10.

And I've been told that the movies are just summaries of the books, the books are just too huge to cover every plotline, important or not.

thebitch
12-23-2003, 01:19 PM
lol, thebitch is hilarious. You just tore the whole movie apart basically, and then gave it 8/10.

And I've been told that the movies are just summaries of the books, the books are just too huge to cover every plotline, important or not.

I didn't really tear apart the movie, just a few things that I didn't like about it. There is still probably about 2hrs and 45 minutes of it that I liked, hence it deserved an 8.

Marbear
12-23-2003, 02:37 PM
Oh my god. After reading this topic, I'm completely dumbfounded.

How many of you actually read the book?! I saw maybe one....maybe.

1)The beginning with Smeagol and his brother was great.
2)The acting lacked majorly. Frodo over-dramatized the ring's effect on him. He just...lacked overall.
3)The lack of Sarumon. They never did explain what happened to him.
4)Aragorn. The man is the king of Gondor, yes. Seriously, think about it though. If some random jackass came up to you and said "I am your king, bow", would you? No. They left out the whole Kingsfoil part. In the book, when Faramir is injured, after they take him out of the place where they're going to burn him, Aragorn comes in to save him. He asks for Kingsfoil, and a random person around him says "That's a weed. Only the King can use it to heal somebody", they get the kingsfoil, he uses it, and saves Faramir.
5)Faramir and Eowyn's romance: At the end, it just shows them together. It doesn't show them getting married, nor the romance between them. That is a huge plot point. Faramir of Gondor and Eowyn of Rohan getting married ties the two nations together.
6)The Gray Havens: They only showed the last boat going, which is like the book described. First off, Ciridan the Shipwright didn't have a beard. He is the only Elf in Tolkien's books that has a beard, and they didn't show him with one. Frodo also failed to mention that he left Bag End to Sam and Rosie.
7)Bag End: At the end of the movie, once the Elven leaders, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo leave for the Havens, Sam and Rosie are supposed to be living in Bag End. Sam/Rosie lived in Bag End with Frodo for the years after the War, but it wasn't Bag End that Sam/Rosie lived in at the end.
8)Aragorn: ---edit--I stand corrected --end edit--
9)Arwen and Elrond: They never mentioned in the movie that Elrond, Arwen, and Elthend (did I spell that right?!) were all half-Elven. They have to make a choice whether to live the mortal life, or an immortal Elven life. Elrond picked an Elven life, so his children (Arwen and Elthend) had to make a choice. Arwen chose mortal life, and Elthend chose Elven and left to the Havens as well.
10)Legolas: Peter Jackson did a great job covering a hole in Tolkein's writings. Legolas Greenleaf is the only Elf in the books to have a last name. All other Elves have a special thing to go around thier names, but they are all Royalty. True, but so is Legoals. Galadriel and Celeborn are the Lady and Lord of the Wood. Master Elrond is the lord of Rivendell, with Arwen being the Lady of Rivendell. Legolas Greenleaf is the Prince of the Elven Relm near Mirkwood, Yet he is the only Elf to have a last name.

Overall: This was a great trilogy. Peter Jackson has balls, and it was either a hit-or-miss situation, and he definitly hit. I'm looking forward to the extended version DVD of the movie, to see if these scenes were actually filmed or if they were just cut. After 3 years of rigorous filming, interpreting, and battlescene after battlescene, Jackson made a set of books into a Glorious thing. Now, he just needs to do the same to "The Hobbit" and possibly the Samarillion. 8/10

(2) How was Elijah Wood supposed to show the mental and physical effects of the ring on Frodo? For someone who claims to have read the books, you'd know how much of a toll the ring takes on Frodo. He pretty much had to over-act that part, otherwise it would have been lame. I think he did a pretty damn good job.

(4) He not only heals Faramir, but also Eowyn and Merry. Btw, look for the extended version on DVD next November.

(9)You go and criticize people for not reading the books and for Peter Jackson cutting all these parts out but you can't even get Elrond's children's names right. He has two sons, Elrohir and Elladan, not Elthend, as well as Arwen, his only daughter.

(10) Also, Legolas is the Prince of the Woodland Elves of Mirkwood, not near Mirkwood. King Thranduil of Mirkwood is his father. Also, I think Greenleaf is not really his last name so much as a second name, kind of like how Arwen is sometimes called Arwen Evenstar or Arwen Undomiel and Elrond is called Elrond Half-elven. I find that Tolkien gave a lot of the elves alternate names so Legolas is not alone.

It's The Silmarillion, not the Samarillion.

Oh and btw, Peter Jackson has already clarified in countless interviews that all the parts you said were cut will be in the Extended Version of the DVD, which will be released next fall so don't get your panties in a wad. They had to cut those scenes due to time constraints.

The Mask
12-23-2003, 09:03 PM
god, LOTR is mad overrated.

It's good, don't get me wrong, I did enjoy it, but it wasn't THAT good.

YOUR Hero
12-25-2003, 01:26 PM
Long, but important details glossed over, rushed almost. Perhaps they should have made another movie instead of DVD extended versions. This whole "you'll understand it better on DVD" doesn't sit well with me. Still a very good movie.

RBM
12-25-2003, 10:06 PM
All 3 Lord of the Rings movies were amazing. My favorite movies of all time at this point. Nothing else in the past few years caught my interest quite like the LotR movies have.

To anyone that thinks that these movies are overrated, you have to look at any other epic fantasy movies out there... does anything stack up? 95% of them out there are cheesy, or complete shit. These movies are by far the best of their kind, and it's something I've been waiting forever for, since this is what I'm personally into.

Sure you can sit there and knitpick about who they cast for what role, and what scenes they left out, but does it really matter? This is 10 hours of amazing cinematics. It sucks that this is it now. I hope they take Ian McKellan's idea and make a TV miniseries for The Hobbit. Or even make another movie.

YOUR Hero
12-26-2003, 01:34 PM
Fellowship remains my personal favourite.

packt up
12-26-2003, 02:42 PM
Pretty amazing movie :eek:

The battle scenes were amazing in paricular and I pretty much enjoyed the entire thing. I also thought the ending was a bit long. :$

BlackRavyyn
01-04-2004, 07:36 AM
<font color=seablue><i>So I finally saw the movie on New Year's which is later then the first time I saw the other two.

Just to clarify some things. For one, Christopher Lee's footage was cut our BEFORE he was bitching about it. Jackson thought the final scene with Sauron wasn't important to the rest of the movie and will leave it in the extended version (that's going to be 4 hours isn't it?). Also there was several glaring missing scenes but I have heard that the whole scene when Frodo and Sam return to the Shire to see "someone" has changed it, won't be added to the movie as it is in the book.

And the romance of Faramir and Eowyn appears likely in that scene with Aragorn so oh well, it's an afterthought.

I loved the beginning, the scene where Merry and Pippin are welcoming the others to Isengard and the battle scenes were phenomenal!! I nearly lost it a couple of times but I thought it got a bit mushy. Kudos to Sean Astin, great performance and once again, great CG work on a lot of stuff that didn't appear fake.

Of the three, I prefered the first for wow factor, the second for the battle of Helm's Deep and the third for the characters. Still, the Balrog is the ultimate creation by the team that made this movie with Minas Tirith a close second.</i></font>

The Destroyer
01-04-2004, 10:08 AM
I didn't give a toss about the entire series until my mum got a free copy of the Two Towers Extended version through her work... after actually watching it I now feel obliged to buy Fellowship and go see Return Of The King.

And I've never read the books, so any missing stuff won't bother me at all.

Marbear
01-04-2004, 04:13 PM
<font color=seablue><i>So I finally saw the movie on New Year's which is later then the first time I saw the other two.

Just to clarify some things. For one, Christopher Lee's footage was cut our BEFORE he was bitching about it. Jackson thought the final scene with Sauron wasn't important to the rest of the movie and will leave it in the extended version (that's going to be 4 hours isn't it?). Also there was several glaring missing scenes but I have heard that the whole scene when Frodo and Sam return to the Shire to see "someone" has changed it, won't be added to the movie as it is in the book.

And the romance of Faramir and Eowyn appears likely in that scene with Aragorn so oh well, it's an afterthought.

I loved the beginning, the scene where Merry and Pippin are welcoming the others to Isengard and the battle scenes were phenomenal!! I nearly lost it a couple of times but I thought it got a bit mushy. Kudos to Sean Astin, great performance and once again, great CG work on a lot of stuff that didn't appear fake.

Of the three, I prefered the first for wow factor, the second for the battle of Helm's Deep and the third for the characters. Still, the Balrog is the ultimate creation by the team that made this movie with Minas Tirith a close second.</i></font>

The Scourging of the Shire was not filmed and therefore won't be included in the extended version. I think Peter Jackson's reasoning for it was that he didn't want to start an entirely new storyline at the end of the movie and I agree. Saruman will still have a part in the extended version, and it will be just showing what happens to him, whatever that might be since Jackson has to make it up because of cutting the shire parts.

Oh and the Houses of Healing scenes (Faramir and Eowyn's story) is in the extended version.

I read a few interviews with Peter Jackson and he basically said what he cut out and what will be added back and the extended version will run close to 5 hours in total.

The Destroyer
01-04-2004, 04:23 PM
5 hours? Ouch... that'd probably take the entire series running time to close to 12 hours, wouldn't it?

El Capitano Gatisto
01-04-2004, 05:04 PM
Oh and the Houses of Healing scenes (Faramir and Eowyn's story) is in the extended version.

I read a few interviews with Peter Jackson and he basically said what he cut out and what will be added back and the extended version will run close to 5 hours in total.

Christ, I wish he could just release the full version in the cinema. I know alot of people would like to see the film as it should be, and in the cinema setting.

For example, watching The Two Towers in the cinema was an amazing experience, but I was kind of underwhelmed when I watched it in the summer again on DVD (also having read the books too).

But I got the extended edition for Christmas, and it's like a new film. The bits that are added in make the film appear more seamless, less rushed and pad out the story nicely. If Return of the King has an even greater amount to be added back in, chances are it'll be sensational. Not that it wasn't great already.

Marbear
01-05-2004, 02:59 PM
Christ, I wish he could just release the full version in the cinema. I know alot of people would like to see the film as it should be, and in the cinema setting.

For example, watching The Two Towers in the cinema was an amazing experience, but I was kind of underwhelmed when I watched it in the summer again on DVD (also having read the books too).

But I got the extended edition for Christmas, and it's like a new film. The bits that are added in make the film appear more seamless, less rushed and pad out the story nicely. If Return of the King has an even greater amount to be added back in, chances are it'll be sensational. Not that it wasn't great already.


I feel the same way. I guess the people at New Line Cinemas felt otherwise though. I would have gladly sat through a five hour movie if that was how it was supposed to be. Watching the cut-up version and then waiting for the actual "extended" version sucks. :'(

loopydate
01-05-2004, 03:25 PM
The thing is, a five-hour movie is bad for business.

If a movie theater has to run a five-hour movie, they can't play it as many times per day as they can a 3 1/2-hour movie, so they end up losing LOADS of money.

Say a movie theater is open from midnight to midnight and they have ROTK playing on three screens. The most they can play a five-hour movie on those three screens is twice each, which means six showings. They can get nine showings out of a 3.5-hour movie, which is a time and a half as much money (assuming, of course, that every show sells out...which it will for a movie like ROTK).

The movies make a lot more money under the current system, especially when people buy the extended cut months later on DVD.