I miss Brock Lesnar

[Avenger]

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[Heros Welcome]

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[Mr. JL]

There might be plenty of videos after Feb 2nd of Lesnar getting knocked the fuck out or submitted.

[Kane Knight]

Greatness.

[Fox]

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[Anybody Thrilla]

Brock was indeed the man. Shame how he turned out.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Was there ever a Brock Lesnar/Shawn Michaels match? Would have been sick.

[Rammsteinmad]

I also miss Brock Lesnar. :(

[Rammsteinmad]

That video Hero's Welcome posted was fucking sick. That Spinebuster was awesome and the bit where he picked Spike up in a choke into a Powerbomb... pure awesomeness. :yes:

[Heros Welcome]

Was there ever a Brock Lesnar/Shawn Michaels match? Would have been sick.

Was actually talking about this with a friend the other day. Shame it didn't happen, because it would have been awesome.

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Only thing I can remember between the 2

[Goulet]

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[Jura]

The Rock makes fun of Brock Lesnar and HHH
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Eddie Guerrero v Brock Lesnar
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Batista v Brock Lesnar
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Brock Lesnar v Bill Goldberg
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Brock Lesnar Shooting Star Press
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[Rob]

Brock was indeed the man. Shame how he turned out.

You mean a family man not addicted to pain pills and possibly being seriously injured?

[Nark Order]

Come on Rob, family man? For real? Brock nor Sable seem like the 'settle down quietly with family and a mug of hot cocoa" type of people.

Also, there is still quite the chance that he could be seriously injured in MMA.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You mean a family man not addicted to pain pills and possibly being seriously injured?

I'm talking about it being a shame from a wrestling fan's standpoint, you knob.

[Kane Knight]

You mean a family man not addicted to pain pills and possibly being seriously injured?

And not being some retarded carnie shit.

[BigDaddyCool]

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I recall him killing Spike Dudley.

[BigDaddyCool]

Brock had all the tools for people to carry him the rest of the way, that is for damn sure.

[Kane Knight]

Brock's legendary feud with Shannon Moore is one that should be remembered.

[Mercury Bullet]

I didn't care for him all that much. Though I do wish him success in MMA just to shut up all the nay-sayers that think he is a complete joke.

[BigDaddyCool]

Did he beat a one legged kid in an asswhoping contest? That makes him the man. In theory, anyone can be a one legged man in said contest, but so far Brock is the only one to do it.

[Kane Knight]

I didn't care for him all that much. Though I do wish him success in MMA just to shut up all the nay-sayers that think he is a complete joke.

Anyone who thinks he's a complete joke is a moron.

I'm not saying he's gonna skyrocket to the top of UFC and dominate, but he's not a joke.

Well, except when mocking Eddie G or taking on Shannon Moore.

[BigDaddyCool]

2 words, penis sword.

[SammyG]

lol Zach Gowen.

[Rob]

I'm talking about it being a shame from a wrestling fan's standpoint, you knob.

You didn't say that. And why is it when people come to challenge anything I write they have to resort to name calling? Last resort or something?

[Rob]

Anyone who thinks he's a complete joke is a moron.

I'm not saying he's gonna skyrocket to the top of UFC and dominate, but he's not a joke.


If he can strike (which apparently he can) and can defend submissions (we'll soon find out) then he very well might skyrocket to the top of the UFC.

[FourFifty]

I, for one, would laugh if an internet fan killed Brock Lesnar.

[Kane Knight]

If he can strike (which apparently he can) and can defend submissions (we'll soon find out) then he very well might skyrocket to the top of the UFC.

He might, but I'm not going to count on it just yet.

Just that anyone who thinks he's a joke needs their head checked.

[BigDaddyCool]

You didn't say that. And why is it when people come to challenge anything I write they have to resort to name calling? Last resort or something?

Well maybe if you were such a knob.

[FourFifty]

Hey, does anyone remember when Brock Lesnar said he wanted to kill internet wrestling fans? The people that write, read, and talk about the "dirt sheets"? Yea, and people miss the man who gave out empty death threats....

But on a sightly more serious note, Lesnar was only as good as who he was in the ring with. He couldn't carry a match by himself but if someone else held his hand during a match Lesnar looked great.
There are some guys who can have a match with a box of rocks and make it look good. Angle, HBK, Brian Kendrick, Shelton, The Undertaker, Ric Flair in his prime... Brock is not one of these guys.

[Rob]

Well maybe if you were such a knob.

True.

[Kane Knight]

Well maybe if you were such a knob.

Weren't?

[Kane Knight]

Hey, does anyone remember when Brock Lesnar said he wanted to kill internet wrestling fans? The people that write, read, and talk about the "dirt sheets"? Yea, and people miss the man who gave out empty death threats....

And?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hey, does anyone remember when Brock Lesnar said he wanted to kill internet wrestling fans? The people that write, read, and talk about the "dirt sheets"? Yea, and people miss the man who gave out empty death threats....

But on a sightly more serious note, Lesnar was only as good as who he was in the ring with. He couldn't carry a match by himself but if someone else held his hand during a match Lesnar looked great.
There are some guys who can have a match with a box of rocks and make it look good. Angle, HBK, Brian Kendrick, Shelton, The Undertaker, Ric Flair in his prime... Brock is not one of these guys.

What the fuck are you on about? Brock carried Big Show and Albert to fucking solid, solid matches.

[Stickman]

I miss the Rock

[FourFifty]

What the fuck are you on about? Brock carried Big Show and Albert to fucking solid, solid matches.

Okay, I'll give you a point for the Big Show, but The Big Show is a solid worker who can work with a lot of people even though he's a freakin' giant.

But Albert.. If by carry you mean "dropped on his head" then yea, he did that. It's on one of the botchamania videos.
Let's not forget his shooting star press on Angle
Or breaking Holly's neck

Now every wrestler makes mistakes, sometimes it happens at the worst times like the biggest events, but looking at how long Brock was wrestling on TV and how many mistakes he made..... we have a pretty high ratio there.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

That isn't a very hgih ratio, yeah he fucked up the F5, he did the right thing with the shooting star, he could have dropped down but that would have fucked up the flow of the match, he went for it and it was too far. Long run it made the match better. And Holly dead weighted Brock to TRY and make Brock look bad after being stiff with him the entire match, Brock said fuck it and let him go.

You have two botches. ANd the point still stands his matches with all THREE men who aren't extremely talented were very good.

[BigDaddyCool]

Weren't?

I said what I meant and meant what I said.:foc:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

If you want to talk about someone who fucks up alot, look at Shelton.

[Kane Knight]

Bringing up Lesnar injuring Bobcore is really reaching for a reason to bitch about him, isn't it?

[Kane Knight]

If you want to talk about someone who fucks up alot, look at Shelton.

Shelton never put my panties in a wad by threatening to kill me! :'(

[Rob]

Can't believe there is any a debate on whether Lesnar was any good. Why don't we talk about how shit Shawn Michaels is next :roll:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Indeed. Brock was my reason to watch WWE. E is lucky HBK came back otherwise I wouldn't be watching anymore.

[FourFifty]

If you want to talk about someone who fucks up alot, look at Shelton.

Shelton fucks up a lot because he takes a lot of risks. Shelton is a well rounded wrestler who is good in the mic that doesn't need to take the risks and hit the high spots. He takes the risks and hits the high spots because he's the goddamn man.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And yes, I just said I only care about one worker. And yes, I only watch videos of shows (don't care enough to watch live anymore) and skip around until I probably only end up watching 29 minutes a week total.

[Rob]

You saying Shelton is a better worker than Brock?

[Rob]

And yes, I just said I only care about one worker. And yes, I only watch videos of shows (don't care enough to watch live anymore) and skip around until I probably only end up watching 29 minutes a week total.

That's more than enough.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Shelton fucks up a lot because he takes a lot of risks. Shelton is a well rounded wrestler who is good in the mic that doesn't need to take the risks and hit the high spots. He takes the risks and hits the high spots because he's the goddamn man.

Aw fuck off. You bring up Brock botching his Shooting Star yet justify Shelton botching for taking "risk"? Are you FUCKING SERIOUS!?! Shelton has botched a pivotal move in every "big" match situation he has ever been in. And I'm saying this actually while LIKING Shelton, but facts are facts - he's not on Brock's level.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

That's more than enough.

Agreed, 8 minutes come from watching the diva's match (I'm sorry, Mickie and Victoria put on better matches than most the men) and the extra 5 minutes come from sitting through Satino segments and matches in order to look at the hotness of Maria.

[BigDaddyCool]

Can't believe there is any a debate on whether Lesnar was any good. Why don't we talk about how shit Shawn Michaels is next :roll:

Brock is good, Shawn is great. Knob.

[The Lone Wolf]

Brock was awesome. I think he was the most phisically gifted wrestler in history.

[Kane Knight]

Can't believe there is any a debate on whether Lesnar was any good. Why don't we talk about how shit Shawn Michaels is next :roll:

Did he threaten to kill internet people? No? Then he's awesome.

Shelton fucks up a lot because he takes a lot of risks. Shelton is a well rounded wrestler who is good in the mic that doesn't need to take the risks and hit the high spots. He takes the risks and hits the high spots because he's the goddamn man.

LMFAO. One minute, Brock is terrible because of missing a high risk spot, the next, Shelton's the man because he takes a lot of risks and fucks up.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Don't worry about it KK, I've been here a long time. I should have remembered that flawed logic plagues most of the wrestling forum.

[Kane Knight]

Don't worry about it KK, I've been here a long time. I should have remembered that flawed logic plagues most of the wrestling forum.

"Logic" in the loosest sense, perhaps.

[FourFifty]

"Logic" in the loosest sense, perhaps.

How do you say that word? Law-Jik? That's funny! :rofl:

Whatever, I just didn't like Lesnar in or out of the ring. He was pushed too hard, too fast, forced down our pikes like there was no tomorrow. Yea, he had a great build, and could tell a story in the ring. As a heel he could have people go over him and still look good because he was a monster. As a face he was able to allow heels to do what they need to win and then get his revenge.
Lesnar wasn't all bad, and he didn't botch is up quite like Lita. If the WWE would have taken time to build him up, maybe hold the IC or Hardcore title, before he was in the ring with The Undertaker, Kurt Angle, The Big Show, and John Cena I'd buy into Lesnar more.

[FourFifty]

You saying Shelton is a better worker than Brock?

:yes:

[Jura]

Brock Sampson> Brock Lesnar

http://www.popculturespectrum.com/brocksamson.jpg

[Destor]

Lesnar deserved to be in there the with the Main Event. You know, because he was as good/better than them.

[Rob]

:yes:

:nono:

[Hanso Amore]

Brock was GREAT. His run was for too short, but he was losing steam at that point anyways. Had he not left, he would have been misused at some point. At least now we can always think of what if.

[The Lone Wolf]

as much as i liked him if he had not left we would be sitting around here now complaining about how he is already a 10 time champion with a bad gimmick

[Rob]

Bad gimmick? What gimmick?

[Kane Knight]

Bad gimmick? What gimmick?

IT doesn't matter. Just like Brock Lesnar is a shitty wrestler because he botched something once, they'd find a reason to bitch about him.

[IC Champion]

Brock Lesnar sucked, for the record.

[McLegend]

But Albert.. If by carry you mean "dropped on his head" then yea, he did that. It's on one of the botchamania videos.
Let's not forget his shooting star press on Angle
Or breaking Holly's neck.
How can anyone blame Brock for breaking Holly's neck?

Holly deadweighted him. Totally Holly's fault.

[Kane Knight]

Brock Lesnar rocked, for the record.

[FourFifty]

How can anyone blame Brock for breaking Holly's neck?

Holly deadweighted him. Totally Holly's fault.

If someone is a dick to you by law you cannot break the man's neck.I'm not saying Holly was in the right, but wasn't Brock no selling the entire match?

[Hanso Amore]

If someone is a dick to you by law you cannot break the man's neck.I'm not saying Holly was in the right, but wasn't Brock no selling the entire match?

Pretty sure Brocks Gimmick was that no one could beat him....especially a jobber.

Holly deadweighted him and brock dropped him, didnt mean to break his neck, just happened.

[Avenger]

The reason people think that more technical wrestlers carried Brock is that he was never able to fully show us every aspect of his wrestling talent. His character was a powerhouse wrestling machine and that is how he wrestled. He had so much more than we ever really saw, we only ever saw glimpses of what he really had.

And he carried Show to some very memorable matches that I still remember vividly.

[Mr. JL]

I didn't care for him all that much. Though I do wish him success in MMA just to shut up all the nay-sayers that think he is a complete joke.

I don't believe Lesnar is a complete joke, but the guy he is fighting is the former UFC Heavyweight Champion with year's of fighting under his belt. This will only be Lesnar's second MMA fight. And given Dana White and his matchmakers booking style, it won't seem like Lesnar will get any tune up matches nor will he fight any guys with his simular experience level.

So, Lesnar is jumping in there right off the bat with some of the most experienced and accomplished MMA fighters in the world. So its not difficult to foresee why his future in MMA does not look so promising.

[Kane Knight]

Pretty sure Brocks Gimmick was that no one could beat him....especially a jobber.

Holly deadweighted him and brock dropped him, didnt mean to break his neck, just happened.

Exactly. It's not like he said "You're being a dick to me, so I get to injure you."

Holly tried to make Lesnar look bad. Lesnar managed to pull off the move anyway. Fourfifty is just reaching for reasons to justify his hatred of Lesnar.

[Fox]

I don't believe Lesnar is a complete joke, but the guy he is fighting is the former UFC Heavyweight Champion with year's of fighting under his belt. This will only be Lesnar's second MMA fight. And given Dana White and his matchmakers booking style, it won't seem like Lesnar will get any tune up matches nor will he fight any guys with his simular experience level.

So, Lesnar is jumping in there right off the bat with some of the most experienced and accomplished MMA fighters in the world. So its not difficult to foresee why his future in MMA does not look so promising.

Brock Lesnar has a lot of hype surrounding him going in the UFC; there's no doubting that. He does have a lot to prove, coming from a "fake" sport, as a winner of "fake championships," and with one win over a man who no one considers near the top of the card in today's MMA landscape.

But Brock is a born competitor, he's just an incredible natural athlete. He's a former NCAA wrestling champion, and its a pattern in MMA that great amateur wrestlers make great mixed martial artists.

Lesnar's UFC career is more promising than just about any other young fighter's in that company right now. If Brock can go in there and do what we all know he can do, and be as aggressive, and powerful, and show the stamina we've all seen before, he is going to dominate the UFC heavyweight division. Frank Mir is going to get beaten down.

[The Gold Standard]

I miss Brock a lot. I can't wait to see his debut in UFC. I think he is going to mess up Mir. With his strength and wrestling ability he could be a dominant force in the UFC for a long time to come

[The Optimist]

I really didn't get to see alot of him. He was around in a period when I wasn't really into wrestling. It's a shame, I regret it now.

[Mercury Bullet]

Alot of the MMA nay-sayers do so strictly because he was a "WWE Superstar". What they don't look at is his real life background. This isn't just a WWE Superstar. This isn't, say, Steve Austin jumping to MMA for a publicity stunt or something. Lesnar is a 4-Time NCAA Champion. He has a better amateur wrestling background than any heavyweight currently under contract with the UFC. So even though I was never a fan of his time in WWE, I hope he goes in and kicks some ass in "real" fighting to shut some people up.

[The Optimist]

He has a better amatuer wrestling backround than anyone ever, baring an argument for a few other people.

[Mr. JL]

We'll see how he does in a week.

Personally, I hope he does well too but he has a ton of obstacles to overcome.

[Hanso Amore]

Side Note.

Brock transitioned into the F-5 from so many different things.

The best was when we reversed the tombstone, then flipped him from the tombstone to a front slam posistion, then threw the Taker up over his head for the F-5 in the Hell in a Cell Match.

Pwned

[Destor]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5XLkqQwIT2k

[Destor]

for those who haven't seen...

[Xero]

Side Note.

Brock transitioned into the F-5 from so many different things.

The best was when we reversed the tombstone, then flipped him from the tombstone to a front slam posistion, then threw the Taker up over his head for the F-5 in the Hell in a Cell Match.

Pwned

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Holy shit that's awesome.

[IC Champion]

And that's why Brock sucked, he gets the last ride, suddenly he can reserve a tombstone, throw Taker onto his shoulders than hit the F-5, while showing no ill affects what so ever from the match he had. Brock sucked because he didn't know what ring physcology is.

[IC Champion]

I guess no-selling was part of his gimmick.....

[Xero]

He sold it enough at the end.

It was realistic and worked if you look at it as an adrenaline rush-type of spot.


Either way, Lesnar > All.

[Xero]

I guess no-selling was part of his gimmick.....

Yeah, because it's not like the guy he was wrestling ever no-sold anything.

[IC Champion]

Atleast it was Taker's gimmick, and even than I don't like it, but for the most part Brock was human, granted other part is roids, but still.

Also, Brock also sucked for alot more reasons than that, but that's just one.

[Destor]

Saying Lesner had no psychology is pretty stupid.

[IC Champion]

I'm sorry, his matches were masterpieces, next you're going to claim Shawn Michaels isnt the greatest wrestler ever.

[Xero]

Well, I will claim that Michaels isn't.

Because Kurt Angle is.

[Destor]

He actully had several master peices, yeah. And saying "OMG he no sold the last ryde cuz he f-5 him after, he haz no sykolgie!!!111!!' is dumb. Have you ever seen Wrestle Mania 17? The last five minutes of the main event Austin and Rock traded finishers, thats not bad psychology.

[IC Champion]

Who hasn't, and I forgot that was the only time he no-sold.

[Destor]

Thinking a finisher is the end all be all is.

[.44 Magdalene]

That was a pretty hefty spot to be entirely Brock's fault. Pretty sure that was a question of overall psychology, and not just a "Brock can't work a match" thing.



Also, maybe I'm retarded, but wouldn't that stumbling and blind, desperate flailing count as selling...? Up until the mandatory last-second "adrenaline rush", of course...?

[IC Champion]

Well, I will claim that Michaels isn't.

Because Kurt Angle is.

Oh, you mean the guy who's been wrestling the same match, with the same finishes for the last 2 years is?

[.44 Magdalene]

I mean, maybe you'd have booked Taker as just spontaneously collapsing so Brock could pin him, but he had to get the fucking turnaround somehow or the match would have to end differently.

[Destor]

How do you figure that one IC?

[IC Champion]

Angle has a total of 2, maybe 3 finishes that he uses.

[Xero]

Angle has a total of 2, maybe 3 finishes that he uses.

Gets beat down - kick out - whipped - flying elbow block - Kip Up - Sweet Chin Music miss - goes for finisher - reversal - SCM.

Sometimes spice it up with a Sharpshooter or Crossface and you have 85% of Shawn Michaels finishes.

[Destor]

thats why they're called finishers. You know, moves that the guy tries to end a match with. hell that's two more than most American wrestlers. It's not about the move, it's the chain of events leading up to the move.

[Destor]

And as Xero pointed out, HBKs trasition are WAY more predicable.

[IC Champion]

F you both, I'm tired of arguing with you.

[.44 Magdalene]

I think Instant Classic is just being a Debbie Downer

[Mr. JL]

did someone say debbie downer?


:shifty:

[Inadequacy]

And that's why Brock sucked, he gets the last ride, suddenly he can reserve a tombstone, throw Taker onto his shoulders than hit the F-5, while showing no ill affects what so ever from the match he had. Brock sucked because he didn't know what ring physcology is.

But doesn't that rationale contradict the endings of most big main event matches? Like what Destor already brought up about Wrestlemania seventeen

[Kane Knight]

LOL Brock Lesnar has no psychology because he played the part of a monster...That's right up there with "People changing the channel proves how good a heel Triple H is."

[IC Champion]

KK never dissappoints.

[Mr. Pierre]

I don't see anything wrong with the "suck-it-up" F5 that Lesnar gave to Taker in HIAC. IMO the finish was booked as Lesnar's last gasp of energy to put down Taker, and then he sold the match when the bell rang.

If you were to say that Lesnar no-sold when he muscled Taker up, then what do you call HBK's bursts of energy and then goes on to deliver SCM no matter what body part was being worked on?

It's not like he was Tombstoned, kicked out at 1, sprinted at Taker, and tossed him up on his shoulders for the finish.

[Kane Knight]

I don't see anything wrong with the "suck-it-up" F5 that Lesnar gave to Taker in HIAC. IMO the finish was booked as Lesnar's last gasp of energy to put down Taker, and then he sold the match when the bell rang.

If you were to say that Lesnar no-sold when he muscled Taker up, then what do you call HBK's bursts of energy and then goes on to deliver SCM no matter what body part was being worked on?

It's not like he was Tombstoned, kicked out at 1, sprinted at Taker, and tossed him up on his shoulders for the finish.

You put forth a reasoned argument, and therefore will be ignored.

[IC Champion]

lol

[BigDaddyCool]

Look, Lesnar was very carryable. He needed some one to bring him to a 5 star match, but it didn't take much to do it. He had plenty of tools, but by himself, he kinda sucked.

[Kane Knight]

See?

[Xero]

I'm still right. Lesnar sucks. Shawn Michaels never repeats a spot. No-selling is the anti-psychology.

[IC Champion]

I never said any such of those words, Lesnar just sucked, I couldn't help it.

[IC Champion]

And yes, no-selling for the most part is anti-physcology, with a few exceptions.

[Xero]

And yes, no-selling for the most part is anti-physcology, with a few exceptions.

And guess what? That was one of the exceptions.

Unless it's part of the gimmick itself or part of the story of the match, no, no-selling every move is going to look like shit. The fact is Lesnar sold it after the fact as if he was blown up to an extent, and that's what makes it viable.

On the other side of this argument, over-selling every move is going to make it look like shit, too, like Rock always used to do. If you think no-selling is terrible surely you must think over-selling is.

[IC Champion]

Im going to be honest, I watched the spot and that was it, but was that the only time he "no-sold"?

[IC Champion]

Also, The Rock brought ALOT more to the table than a Lesnar did, charisma, personality, humor, mic skills, and IMO Rock was an underrated worker, sure he over sold a stunner or two, but I'd rather see someone over reacted than not re-act at all, just my opinion.

[Xero]

Of course not. He was a monster, no-selling is part of the base gimmick. On top of that, he was pushed as a physical specimen, giving him the ability to have bursts of energy like he did there. You show me someone in the monster gimmick who doesn't no-sell once in a while.

[Xero]

Also, The Rock brought ALOT more to the table than a Lesnar did, charisma, personality, humor, mic skills, and IMO Rock was an underrated worker, sure he over sold a stunner or two, but I'd rather see someone over reacted than not re-act at all, just my opinion.

Rock over-sold a lot more than Lesnar ever under-sold.

[IC Champion]

Lesnar was better than your average mid carder, but he wasnt a great wrestler or worker, and the fact that he had no charisma, personality, or mic skills really hurt him. Now if he was an amazing worker who could have a great match with a box of nails than yeah, he would have been watchable, but really he was only average. The only thing he brought was intensity.

[IC Champion]

Of course not. He was a monster, no-selling is part of the base gimmick. On top of that, he was pushed as a physical specimen, giving him the ability to have bursts of energy like he did there. You show me someone in the monster gimmick who doesn't no-sell once in a while.

Taker is someone who could no-sell, just because Brock is juiced to the gills means he can no sell? Now if his sudden burst of energy was because of Roid Rage than fine, but being a 300 lb muscle head doesnt make you a monster.

[Mr. JL]

You put forth a reasoned argument, and therefore will be ignored.

LOL

[Destor]

The moment you claim Lesnar has no charisma my desire to argue has totally gone away.

this arguement is now a joke.

[IC Champion]

Yeah, he was loaded with charisma, go wrestle a spot fest in front 30 people.

[IC Champion]

Though I wouldn't expect a meth head to know what charisma is.

[Destor]

This comes from a guy who says a counter after a big move is poor psycology.

Yeah, you know so much.

[Destor]

Fact is you don't know dick about what you're talking about.

[IC Champion]

This comes from a guy who says a counter after a big move is poor psycology.

Yeah, you know so much.

I didn't say he had poor physcology because of that one match, Id be stupid to assume that, but Lesnar was the total package, charisma, physcology, work rate, hell next you're going to say he cut the greatest promos of his time.

[Destor]

Nah, the guy couldn't cut a promo to save his life.

[Rob]

He has a better amatuer wrestling backround than anyone ever, baring an argument for a few other people.

Let's just say you meant to limit this to pro wrestling or MMA (or else it's total nonsense). Kurt Angle is an Olympic Gold medalist. Matt Lindland is an Olympic Silver medalist.

Just those two alone are leagues ahead of him. It's not barring any arguement either because there isn't one.

[Kane Knight]

Let's just say you meant to limit this to pro wrestling or MMA (or else it's total nonsense). Kurt Angle is an Olympic Gold medalist. Matt Lindland is an Olympic Silver medalist.

Just those two alone are leagues ahead of him. It's not barring any arguement either because there isn't one.

:y:

[Savio]

Pretty sure Brocks Gimmick was that no one could beat him....especially a jobber.
That is Cenas

[Hanso Amore]

Taker is someone who could no-sell, just because Brock is juiced to the gills means he can no sell? Now if his sudden burst of energy was because of Roid Rage than fine, but being a 300 lb muscle head doesnt make you a monster.

Then what makes you a monster able to take large amounts of punishment?

So only a Zombie can take a whipping and turn around and beat some ass?

If anyone could take it from the UT and then fight back, a 300 pound meat head seems like the perfect candidate.