what is emo

[road doggy dogg]

I dunno, I personally find it hilarious how people get so butthurt when a band they like is labelled as "emo". I mean bands like Senses Fail and such, I thought that was basically what an "emo band" was. lol, no idea. I don't understand why people even care. So what is emo anyway, since apparently no band EVER EVER is emo, according to angry nerds on the internet.
crossrine

[ron the dial]

emo has been a catchall for a lot of different styles of music over the years. right now i really don't know where it stands. frankly, it doesn't matter.

[Indifferent Clox]

emocore started in the 80s and it was hardcore bands like stilllife then it started being applied as emo to bands like sunny day real estate. then it was appplied to everything by the masses, some bands call themeselves emo and these are mainly bands taht don't whine as much as you'd think but have like really slow music with interspersed vocals. I'll post a link to the an album I picked up of a collection of modern emo in a minute, i really don't like those bands actuallly. I threw the cd away.

[Triple A]

Senses Fail is obviously "emo". People just don't want to say it because emo has a negative connotation now. It is cooler to just say they are "indie rock".

[Indifferent Clox]

indie means they aren't on a major label. Although Indie rock is a style now so I see what you are saying. But I would never call senses fail indie rock, i'd call them emo.. or hardcore or.. i dunno

[El Fangel]

Senses Fail is obviously "emo". People just don't want to say it because emo has a negative connotation now. It is cooler to just say they are "indie rock".

Must spread rep before blah blah blah.

[Triple A]

I know. I am just syaing in general. Nobody wants to be called "emo" anymore.

[Indifferent Clox]

There's a few bands who don't mind the moniker:

<table width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td>

The Almost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Almost)
Amber Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Pacific)
Ampere (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere_%28band%29)
The Anniversary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anniversary)
Antioch Arrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_Arrow)
The Appleseed Cast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Appleseed_Cast)
Assfactor 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assfactor_4)
Asteria (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteria_%28band%29)

B



Benton Falls (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benton_Falls_%28band%29)
Box Car Racer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_Car_Racer)
Boys Like Girls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_Like_Girls)
Braid (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_%28band%29)

C



Camber (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camber_%28band%29)
Cap'n Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap%27n_Jazz)
Christie Front Drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_Front_Drive)
City of Caterpillar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Caterpillar)
The Classic Crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Classic_Crime)
Copper (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_%28band%29)

D



Dag Nasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Nasty)
Dualesc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualesc)

E



The Early November (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Early_November)
Elliott (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_%28band%29)
Engine Down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_Down)
Envy (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_%28band%29)
Ever We Fall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_We_Fall)

F



Falling Forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Forward)
Far (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_%28band%29)
Fire Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Party)
Four Hundred Years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Hundred_Years)
Funeral Diner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_Diner)

</td> <td> F cont.



Further Seems Forever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Further_Seems_Forever)

G



The Get Up Kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Get_Up_Kids)
Gray Matter (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Matter_%28band%29)

H



The Hated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hated)
Hawthorne Heights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_Heights)
Heroin (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_%28band%29)
Hoover (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_%28band%29)

I



I Hate Myself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Hate_Myself)

J



Jawbreaker (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawbreaker_%28band%29)
Jejune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jejune)
Jimmy Eat World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Eat_World)
June (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_%28band%29)
The Junior Varsity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Junior_Varsity)

K



Keepsake (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keepsake_%28band%29)
Knapsack (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_%28band%29)

L



Long Since Forgotten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Since_Forgotten)

M



Maximillian Colby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximillian_Colby)
Mineral (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_%28band%29)
Mohinder (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohinder_%28band%29)
Mortimer Nova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Nova)
Moss Icon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moss_Icon)
The Movielife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Movielife)

N



Native Nod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Nod)
No Motiv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Motiv)

O



Orchid (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchid_%28band%29)

P



Paperboy Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperboy_Jack)
Paramore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramore)
Pg. 99 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pg._99)
Policy of 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_of_3)
Portraits of Past (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portraits_of_Past)
Project Rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Rocket)

</td> <td> P cont.



The Promise Ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promise_Ring)

R



Rainer Maria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria)
Red Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Affair)
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Jumpsuit_Apparatus)
Red Letter Day (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Letter_Day_%28band%29)
Rites of Spring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rites_of_Spring)
Roosevelt (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_%28band%29)

S



Saetia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saetia)
Salem (US band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_%28US_band%29)
Samiam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samiam)
Saves the Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saves_the_Day)
Sense Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_Field)
Shotmaker (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotmaker_%28band%29)
Shoulder (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_%28band%29)
Silverstein (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverstein_%28band%29)
Sleepytime Trio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepytime_Trio)
Soulside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulside)
Split Lip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_Lip)
Still Life (US band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_Life_%28US_band%29)
Sunny Day Real Estate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Day_Real_Estate)

T



Taking Back Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Back_Sunday)
Talk:List of emo artists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_emo_artists)
Ten Second Epic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Second_Epic)
Texas Is the Reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Is_the_Reason)
The Myriad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myriad)
Thursday (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday_%28band%29)

U



Universal Order of Armageddon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Order_of_Armageddon)
Unjust (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unjust_%28band%29)
The Used (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Used)
Usurp Synapse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usurp_Synapse)

</td></tr></tbody></table>

[BigDaddyCool]

If it ain't metal it is emo :mad:

Slayer, ftw.

[BigDaddyCool]

If the song deals with any emotion besides blind and absolute hate and anger, it is emo.

Slayer, ftw.

[El Fangel]

There are at least two bands whom I consider emo, that are not on that list.

[BigDaddyCool]

Oh, and country songs about drinking and driving trucks and ownership of dogs and wives/girlfriends running away are not emo.

BTW, if a country song is not about anything in afore mentioned list, it isn't a country song, or if it is sung by a woman, it isn't country and goes right back to being emo bullshit not worth listening too.

[Destor]

mitchantropic

[Indifferent Clox]

There are at least two bands whom I consider emo, that are not on that list.


do you consider blitz and hermaphrodites emo?


by emo i mean fuckable?

[Juan]

If the song deals with any emotion besides blind and absolute hate and anger, it is emo.


That would make 80% of music emo.

[Indifferent Clox]

He's got a gimmick you see, Juan.

BDC has an ignorant loveable Redneck gimmick
FANGEL has an ignorant Canadian Gimmick.

[thedamndest]

Here is a serious question, and I am in no way setting anyone up for a punchline that I am going to deliver (though if another poster does I will not be held accountable) and I have asked this of my friends, but they have failed everytime...perhaps the music-saavy TPWW can answer it...here goes:

Can you direct me to some emo that does not suck copious amounts of testicle?

I am serious, I will give it a listen, link that shit up.

[Danny Electric]

the movielife are not emo

[Indifferent Clox]

AppleSeed cast is pretty amazing

check out low level owls.

[thedamndest]

Pick like 5-10 songs from different bands that are definitely "emo." Also, none of the songs had better be Fall Out Boy or Hawthorne Heights.

[Danny Electric]

Sunny Day Real Estate - Pillars
Further Seems Forever - Just Until Sundown
The Early November - I want To Hear You Sad

[Danny Electric]

Oh and I'd say

Brand New - Me vs Maradona vs Elvis

But everyone will probabaly disagree with me on all of these.

[thedamndest]

Okay, I will give them a fair shake and get back to you.

[El Fangel]

Protip: When the name of the song sounds as retarded as the name of the band, 93.45% of the time, Its emo.

[Indifferent Clox]

You should leave the music forum forever.

[thedamndest]

Sunny Day Real Estate - Pillars - This was good, it actually prompted me to listen to a second song by the band which I liked until they did that thing where they have the chorus and the guy (the guitar player who isn't lead singer) just kind of yells the chorus which I do not like. I could kind of make a comparison between them and the Smashing Pumpkins if the Pumpkins got took a bunch of downers maybe.

Further Seems Forever - Just Until Sundown This song wasn't on youtube, so I listened to "Light Up Ahead" instead. Great drumming, that's one thing that I seem to notice about this genre is that the drummers aren't afraid to earn their keep. I actually liked this song because the video was cool and the guy wasn't excessively whiny.

The Early November - I want To Hear You Sad - Catchy little riffs, but the guy's voice kind of had that whiny miscellaneous sound that sounds too much like every emo guy's voice. I think that is my main hurdle is when their voice get like that.

Brand New - Me vs Maradona vs Elvis - Good song, has a bit of Elliot Smith quality to it. Is this why people say emo is so sad? Because this sounded pretty sad, or does it get sadder?

All in all, I didn't hate it. Does anybody ever do a solo? Also, I would like an answer to the original question of "What is emo?".

Anybody feel free to recommend more non-testicle sucking emo.

[El Fangel]

TheD, Your asking almost the impossible.
I have not heard an emo song that made me not want to slit my own wrists by the end of it.

[weather vane]

fuck i hate emo

[BigDaddyCool]

That would make 80% of music emo.

Correct.

[Indifferent Clox]

Funn TheD, Your asking almost the impossible.
I have not heard an emo song that made me not want to slit my own wrists by the end of it.

Funny i feel the same way about 90% of your posts!

:D

[El Fangel]

Funn

Funny i feel the same way about 90% of your posts!

:D

And I about 100% of yours. Now shut up.

[ron the dial]

TheD, Your asking almost the impossible.
I have not heard an emo song that made me not want to slit my own wrists by the end of it.
you fucking idiot you listen to the shittiest music on earth shut up

[Indifferent Clox]

I think I win.

[El Fangel]

I think I win.

Yes, you and your amazing taste in music win.

[Indifferent Clox]

:)

[thedamndest]

I am just trying to become more cultured. Does that mean I want to put on eyeliner, take off my girl pants and go balls deep into a black nailed chick while she is cutting her wrists and posting on her livejournal? No, but I at least want to hear the cream of the genre because all I've heard is what comes off the radio.

[Indifferent Clox]

I blame clear channel

[ron the dial]

czech out cursive's the ugly organ. great album.

[Indifferent Clox]

I wouldn't consider that emo, really though... if it is it's like really hard emo with a cello


maybe cellmo

[Triple A]

Pick like 5-10 songs from different bands that are definitely "emo." Also, none of the songs had better be Fall Out Boy or Hawthorne Heights.
Saves the Day - At Your Funeral http://youtube.com/watch?v=NwW0q65VIas
The Early November - Ever So Sweet http://youtube.com/watch?v=hudTeKIP8lQ
Dashboard Confessional - Hands Down http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOoKMIZhFI4
Jimmy Eat World - Sweetness http://youtube.com/watch?v=wU3KBI5qyEY
Brand New - Jude Law And A Semester Abroad http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ter_DbNHLwA
Taking Back Sunday - Cute Without The E (Cut From The Team) http://youtube.com/watch?v=JduO4OGZKY8

Songs that you will probably find easy.

[Triple A]

Yeah I would not consider Cursive "emo".

[ron the dial]

seriously? how could you not? their first two albums especially.

[ron the dial]

i guess my take on what emo is is more based on the mid/late 90s version than the current one.

[mitchables]

Such Blinding Stars For Starving Eyes and Domestica both unquestionably have early emo influences. There are parallels throughout both of those albums to earlier emo rock artists. So I'd say WeX is fairly on the money in that call. By the time they added Gretta Cohn though and started really expanding their horizons with Burst and Bloom, The Ugly Organ and beyond - as well as the secondary fact that Tim Kasher has grown as a songwriter and lyricist - their sound had transcended into something far more based in indie rock and even post-hardcore, to an extent.

[mitchables]

Anyway, everyone: http://www.fourfa.com/

All your questions answered.

[road doggy dogg]

I detest being in the presence of one FA, I cannot fathom how much hatred I will have for four of them.
crossrine

[mitchables]

...

*Misdirects Downunder on2 u*

[Indifferent Clox]

Fourfa i remember that site.

[BigDaddyCool]

czech out cursive's the ugly organ. great album.

I find that offensive :mad:

[ron the dial]

verily

[BigDaddyCool]

You don't even know what verily means :mad:

[ron the dial]

of all the people to tell me that i don't know what a word means...

[BigDaddyCool]

of all the people to tell me that i don't know what a word means...

Verily, it was I that told ye that thou knowest not what ye say.

Translated: In fact, I told you that you don't know the words you say.

[FakeLaser]

Emo began with acts like Rites of Spring in the 80s and continued on in the early to mid 90s with Sunny Day Real Estate and Jawbreaker. The New Jersey scene really picked up steam with Thursday, Midtown, and bands like that who started to popularize the genre. It blew up these past few years with acts like My Chemical Romance and Fallout Boy who most "old school" emo fans dismiss as candy coated pop garbage.

[Kane Knight]

emocore started in the 80s and it was hardcore bands like stilllife then it started being applied as emo to bands like sunny day real estate. then it was appplied to everything by the masses, some bands call themeselves emo and these are mainly bands taht don't whine as much as you'd think but have like really slow music with interspersed vocals. I'll post a link to the an album I picked up of a collection of modern emo in a minute, i really don't like those bands actuallly. I threw the cd away.

Kinda funny that Mission of Burma did basically everything that RoS were supposed to have pioneered. In the 70s. I mean, going off what the idiots who post

Anyway, everyone: http://www.fourfa.com/

All your questions answered.

Seem to believe.

indie means they aren't on a major label. Although Indie rock is a style now so I see what you are saying. But I would never call senses fail indie rock, i'd call them emo.. or hardcore or.. i dunno

How on Earth did you just post the hidtory of indie, then? Seems...Contradictory to point out the meaning....

AppleSeed cast is pretty amazing

check out low level owls.

Appleseed Cast is actually fairly cool. I have a record around here somewhere.

Anyway, Trips has it right. Most of the "It's not emo" lines ceom from people who don't want to be associated with pansies in black eyeliner.

Though it's funny that I've gotten hissyfits from mitch for saying Coheed and Camria weren't emo AND for saying they were. Sorry, that just never gets old. When it was all the rage to be emo, they were emo, and now that it's not, they can't be emo lolol.

[ron the dial]

it makes me happy on the inside that you like the appleseed cast :heart:

[FakeLaser]

Are you wishing on a star

[ron the dial]

did you know yr. dreams are sold

[FakeLaser]

to people who only dream of gold

[mitchables]

Though it's funny that I've gotten hissyfits from mitch for saying Coheed and Camria weren't emo AND for saying they were. Sorry, that just never gets old. When it was all the rage to be emo, they were emo, and now that it's not, they can't be emo lolol.

Ugh, I know better than this but whatever. I find your definition of "hissyfit" hilarious, but you clearly have an amazingly clear, photographic-yet-photoshopped-to-the-shithouse memory of our conversation from
six years ago, so well done. Also, I would hardly say it was "all the rage" to be emo around the time we had the conversation, since it's really only been in the last three or four years (especially over here) that it's risen to any kind of mainstream prominence, so y'know. And I would've been what? Sixteen? Do you really, six years down the track, want to continue gloating about proving a sixteen year old child wrong and not being able to move on? Whatever floats your boat, buddy. You are an absolute dichotomy of maturity sometimes, KK.

[mitchables]

And moreover, beyond that, have you listened to any Coheed and Cambria lately? Their music on Good Apollo, Vol II is WORLDS away from anything they released on Second Stage Turbine Blade. So you know what? Screw you KK, it's got nothing to do with whether or not it's the rage to be emo. Soundwise, which is what we should be thinking of anyway, Coheed and Cambria have unquestionably come leaps and bounds away from the emo-tinged prog-rock sound of Second Stage and solidly into a far more metal-influenced, experimental prog feel. So bite me, really.

BUT OH NOES ITS NOT THE RAGE TO BE EMO, THATS WHY

[ron the dial]

they'll find a way to pull stars down

[mitchables]

STAND THERE, DANCE WITH

STAND
THERE
DANCE
WITH A MEEEEEEMORY

[D Mac]

Blink 182 is emo. They are also faggots.

[FakeLaser]

Blink 182 is pop punk

[road doggy dogg]

blink-182 is not really emo at all, they are ridic poppy. Also, Metallica are bigger faggots than any other band could hope to achieve, but good try anyway.
crossrine

[ct2k]

Emo is that special feeling you get when you're holding hands with your best gal

[road doggy dogg]

a beautiful girl can make you dizzy
like you've been drinking jack and coke all morning
she can make you feel high

full of the single greatest commodity known to man --
promise.
promise of a better day.
promise of a greater hope.
promise of a new tomorrow.

this particular aura...
can be found in the gait of a beautiful girl.
in her smile
in her soul
the way she makes every rotten little thing about life
seem like it's gonna to be okay.
crossrine

[ron the dial]

http://weasels.littletype.com/imgs/groupsDetail/LT0360.jpg

[D Mac]

blink-182 is not really emo at all, they are ridic poppy. Also, Metallica are bigger faggots than any other band could hope to achieve, but good try anyway.
crossrine

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