To Catch a Predator [Archive]

Zeeboe

07-12-2009, 04:05 PM

Anyone else love this show? I've spent hours upon hours this summer rewatching every episode on You Tube, including some I've never seen.

It's a crying shame "To Catch a Predator" was canceled. I'd also love it if they came out with episodes on DVD/blu-ray with tons of special features.

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:lol: I litreally had tears in my eyes from laughing so hard at that guy. He sounds like the Water Boy. I also love the way he says "kit-kats". He says it so proudly! Most of those Short-Eyed freaks bring beer and rubbers, but not this guy! He has kit-kats, man! KIT-KATS! :eek: Man, he's so cool!

Kami Raki

07-12-2009, 04:18 PM

This is truly one of the best shows ever made.

Zeeboe

07-12-2009, 04:29 PM

He REALLY wants to extract full use of that fridge.....

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Damn, he really wants his beer cold. Maybe he has a thing with keeping things cold, being cold, temp control, etc. At 1:03, after the decoy asks him what they'll do, he tells them they'll "chill out". He should move to the South Pole. It would be one giant fridge he could sit in all day with his frosty beers......

DECOY: I want to suck your cock.

PREDATOR: You can put that in the fridge.

DECOY: Yeah, but can you fuck me in the ass real quick?

PREDATOR: Yeah, whatever, but you can put that in the fridge.

DECOY: I want you to cum in me.

PREDATOR: Yes, you can cum in the fridge.

DECOY: Ugh.....

[Decoy storms away.]

[Chris Hansen comes out.]

HANSEN: Hi. How you doing tonight? I have this chat log.

PREDATOR: You can put that chat log in the fridge.

(Later at the police station.....)

COP: You're under arrest for soliciting a minor online for sex.

PREDATOR: Okay, but did Chris put the beer in the fridge?

(Two months later....)

JUDGE: You're sentenced to six years, hard time to San Quentin for attempted rape of a minor.

PREDATOR: Okay, but did Chris remember to put it in the fridge??!!

(Predator is in prison.)

CELLMATE: Here's my dick coming at ya!!

PREDATOR: You can put it in the fridge.

(Predator spreads butt cheeks wide open.)

PREDATOR: Ever do it on the fridge? I wanna be top!

CELLMATE: I don't normally do this. I'm not gay or anything. I'm just saying......

PREDATOR: That's okay. Neither am I, and don't use a rubber. I wanna do it raw, no rubbers here. I don't like any barriers when I'm fridge packing.

Zeeboe

07-12-2009, 04:59 PM

HANSEN: Have you been drinking tonight?

PREDATOR: No not dat oall, you can smell my breath, not dat oall.

HANSEN: No that's okay, I don't need to do that.....

- Chris Hansen pwnage.

I love the way the predator is so loud. Even in the chatroom, he's typing in ALL CAPS, and in real life, he talks IN ALL CAPS. He looks a little like the Seinfield soup guy too: "THAT'S IT! NO RUBBER FOR YOU!"

BTW: He's not gay! He's just saying..........and I'm guessing this guy's brother in Atlantic City is Mario......who was ALSO on To Catch A Predator.....wonder if this girl wants to "Do the Mario!"

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Oh, I'm joking. That's not the real Mario. Here's the REAL Mario with a special cameo before hand by someone else some of you may know:

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Beauser

07-12-2009, 05:26 PM

Have you made it onto this show?

Zeeboe

07-12-2009, 05:36 PM

lol. I was waiting for someone to post something like that. No, I'd never end up on that show, but if I did, my reaction would be similar to this guy's:

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Vastardikai

07-12-2009, 05:48 PM

Entrapment Television...

Sixx

07-12-2009, 07:25 PM

Sixx

07-12-2009, 07:39 PM

And that is probably the first I've ever seen of this show

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Zeeboe

07-12-2009, 07:46 PM

Entrapment Television...

How so? They are preventing men from having sex with minors. On the Peverted Justice website, they have the full chats the predators had with the decoys, and I'm very sure that those men would have gladly had sex with kids if they could. Heck, why else would they bring rubbers?

Reavant

07-12-2009, 07:55 PM

Im honestly suprised a guy hasnt tried to kill him yet

Sixx

07-12-2009, 08:52 PM

It would be badass if some perv would hold Hansen hostage using a dildo or something.

#1-norm-fan

07-12-2009, 09:05 PM

Zeeboe

07-13-2009, 12:19 AM

Sixx - Yeah, the pizza and the crying man are good ones. I almost wanted to feel sorry for the crybaby, but I actually read his entire chat log he had with the decoy, and he's a sick bastard. He would have gladly screwed her if she was a real kid, and if she allowed it. He needed to be arrested.

LOL. It's hard to understand but it sounds like when Chris Hansen first walks out and says "Looks like you brought enough stuff to move in" the guy just says "Hell yes." That was amazing. :lol:

lol. Wow, I never noticed that before. That's yet another funny quote said by him. Man, everything he says is funny.

Few comments about this one:

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lol. He mouths "Oh my God" at 1:45. Then he softly whispers "Wow" at 1:50. The facial expression/strange smile on his face from that point on says it all. Poor bastard knew EXACTLY what he walked in.....he seemed almost amused/star struck by the whole thing.

Check out his My Space:

http://www.myspace.com/mikelubrano

Look at what he says in the general section, some of his favorite movies, what his friends said in his comments section, and what two of his friends said about one of his pics in his photo album. There's some very interesting stuff right there. I'm not gonna spoil it though.

Sixx

07-13-2009, 09:51 AM

Sorry Zeeboe, can't refrain myself.

29 mar 2007 21:52
i second that.. and also in the back of a cop car already

5 mar 2007 21:29
You look like a sex offender in this pic!

Note that this was before what happenned on Hansen's show.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=136229972&albumID=514968&imageID=1234655

Zeeboe

07-13-2009, 02:24 PM

lol. It's fine. Plus, if someone clicks the link I posted first, they won't be spoiled, but no big deal anyhow. But yeah, that guy posted that just four weeks before his buddy ended up in the loving arms of Chris Hansen, and the girl posted her comment two days beforehand. How cosmic is that?

I also find it interesting that two of his favorite movies are Taxi Driver and Sin City, two films that cover the subject of pedophiles. And in his interests section, he has this:

"Gambling basketball football Madden07 XM satelite radio Patriots Football "Just get a unicycle, it's the pedophiles corvette.""

:lol: Wow. I don't think he'll be updating his profile in a long time, if ever.

On another note: I love reading people's myspace profiles on mydeathspace.com, as well as the ones who have been arrested, and looking up people who actually were on To Catch a Predator too. It makes for some interesting reading sometimes.

That's why I am always wanting to make sure all my profiles are top niotch, just in case I end up biting the big one sooner or later.

#1-norm-fan

07-13-2009, 02:56 PM

On another note: I love reading people's myspace profiles on mydeathspace.com, as well as the ones who have been arrested, and looking up people who actually were on To Catch a Predator too.

That's sick. I would never look up these guy's profiles... if you have any more, you should report them to me immediately so I can NOT laugh at them. :shifty:

Zeeboe

07-13-2009, 03:29 PM

That's sick. I would never look up these guy's profiles... if you have any more, you should report them to me immediately so I can NOT laugh at them. :shifty:

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That guy has a few profiles: (One of them has his picture on it, the other has a survey he filled out, another is private, and the other has no info at all. I guess he had trouble setting up just one My Space profile.

As I read the survey he filled out on one of his profiles, and his "About me" section, it all pretty confirms it's the same guy. He has the 1989 prison movie "Lock-Up" as one his favorite movies. How interesting. At least now he gets to live the life of one of his favorite films.)

www.myspace.com/lornearmstrong

www.myspace.com/lorne_a_2006

www.myspace.com/34144733

www.myspace.com/84126683

Here's the link to the full chat he had with the decoy:

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=lorne_a_20014

Gertner

07-13-2009, 04:03 PM

must be crazy to see yourself on t.v

Crazy Nick

07-14-2009, 04:06 AM

must be crazy to see yourself on t.v

:rofl:

Zeeboe

07-14-2009, 03:00 PM

must be crazy to see yourself on t.v

Is that a dig towards me? Ya know, even if it isn't, with your neverending stalking of Seth, someone should put YOU in the fridge.

Zeeboe

07-16-2009, 04:15 PM

#1-norm-fan

07-16-2009, 04:23 PM

LOL!

That was amazing

Seth82

07-16-2009, 04:41 PM

I am kinda surprised Zeeboe hasn't been on there before

Zeeboe

07-16-2009, 04:46 PM

LOL!

That was amazing

It was funny by itself, but the laughing track is a great +. Laughing is contagious, so hearing an audience laughing at this makes me laugh twice as much. :lol:

Zeeboe

07-16-2009, 07:17 PM

Here's another funny one: Ya know how the cops are always really rough on the pedos after they leave? Well, check out how they react to a tall, big, brawny black man......

(He shows up until the 2:17 mark.)

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weather vane

07-17-2009, 03:31 AM

What about that Asian that passes out and smashes the bar?

Kalyx triaD

07-17-2009, 07:50 AM

How so? They are preventing men from having sex with minors. On the Peverted Justice website, they have the full chats the predators had with the decoys, and I'm very sure that those men would have gladly had sex with kids if they could. Heck, why else would they bring rubbers?

No really, it's entrapment. All the guys arrested were released. That's why the show ended.

You can't arrest people on what they might do.

Funniest show ever, though.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-17-2009, 08:19 AM

Pretty sure Kalyx is wrong on several of his points there.

Kalyx triaD

07-17-2009, 08:25 AM

Look it up.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-17-2009, 08:28 AM

I did. That's why I was pretty sure you were wrong. ;)

Kalyx triaD

07-17-2009, 09:38 AM

Well there ya go, then.

Reavant

07-17-2009, 09:43 AM

ummmm actually the guy that knew about to catch a predator and the guy that started crying are currently in prison. If you go to pervertedjustice.com it has all their case files.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-17-2009, 11:16 AM

I rest my case.

#1-norm-fan

07-17-2009, 12:43 PM

Yeah... intent to commit a crime is a crime if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Having long chats where you go into great detail about the things you want to do to a 13 year old is pretty good proof of intent...

Zeeboe

07-17-2009, 12:44 PM

What about that Asian that passes out and smashes the bar?

That's another good one. Was also in New Jersey. That NJ investigation had a lot of interesting characters:

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No really, it's entrapment. All the guys arrested were released. That's why the show ended.

You can't arrest people on what they might do.

Funniest show ever, though.

The guys during the Texas investigation were released, but all the others in the other states did end up getting punished somehow, and I believe they all had to register as sex offenders.

And like it was posted, if you read some of their chats on the Perverted Justice website, I think it's pretty clear that they want to have sex with kids. The fact that some of them send nude pics, and literally almost all of them show up at the bust house with condoms (and sometimes even other sexual related items like porno movies, lubricant, and whip cream) confirms that they had one thing on their mind.

I think if they even wanna have cyber or phone sex with a kid, that makes them a pedophile. In Texas, and many other states, it's actually a crime to have a sexually charged chat with a minor online.

I'm glad the country is really starting to crack down all these Short Eyes. This might sound ultra-cheesy, but kids ARE the future, and our preservation, and pedophiles can ruin lives forever, and we have to protect the future of the world.

#1-norm-fan

07-17-2009, 12:44 PM

And it would be entrapment if the decoys actively went looking for the guys but they wait for the guys to make the first move.

Zeeboe

07-17-2009, 01:20 PM

Did you see the one with the 29-year bodybuilder I posted? The show has gotten some bad feedback before by some people who don't like the way the cops arrest the predators.

As you've seen, they always run full speed at them, screaming for them to get down, and if the pedophiles don't do as their told to quick enough, the police have actually tackled them, or tazered them......even those the child molesters are usually just so scared, that they freeze, and never posed a threat.

.....Yet when that huge brawny guy was on there, they briskly walked over to him, and were complete calm and nice to him, and one of them even put his hand on the guy's shoulder, and said in a calm, soft, and consoling tone of voice: "It's okay. Just relax, alright? We're not gonna do anything to hurt you."

......I thought that was hilarious. :lol: The cops are NEVER nice, compassionate, and gentle on those guys.....I can't blame em' for that one....I wouldn't wanna deal with an angry large man either.

I've seen other clips where guys that big fight with the cops, and they're so damn strong that not even the tazers take them down. It usually just makes them get more violent, and fight harder, and the cops always have to end up just shooting them.

DAMN iNATOR

07-17-2009, 02:32 PM

Zeebz, why don't'cha have a seat right over here? (we'll blur your face for the protection of the innocent, not really so much your own, but just have a seat right over here.)

owenbrown

07-17-2009, 03:15 PM

must be crazy to see yourself on t.v

:rofl:

Sixx

07-17-2009, 04:28 PM

That Asian guy was 37? What the fuck? I wouldn't sell him smokes if I was working in a grocery store.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-17-2009, 04:47 PM

Zeeboe

07-17-2009, 06:05 PM

Okay, we've seen some pretty sick guys on here, but get ready for the most perverted of them all......Viewer Discretion HIGHLY advised:

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Zeeboe

07-17-2009, 06:21 PM

Yeah, the Asian guy looked like he was 16.

The clip with that Rick fella is another good one. He pretty much knew exactly what he was walking into just like that Mike dude from NJ. (Only I think Mike was so high, he was too happy to be too distrubed by the whole thing.) And I saw that clip where Chris Hansen gets a taste of his own meds not too long ago. That was pretty funny. :lol: I LOVE his SN. I bet M.C. Hammer was proud.

Zeeboe

07-18-2009, 02:47 AM

Some more good ones from Jersey: First guy is a major sissy, second guy is another major :lol: He claims he wasn't going to do anything, and was just there to take pictures, and doesn't know what is going on, and that some evil prankster named "Kevin" had the chat, and told the wide-eyed sweaty man to go there just to take pics. Man, that Kevin sure is a bastard!.....I'd love to hang him out with him sometime....

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Vastardikai

07-19-2009, 05:10 PM

Kalyx triaD

07-19-2009, 06:45 PM

BOOSH

Reavant

07-20-2009, 08:21 PM

That article only dealt with people talking on the internet, when it comes to a person showing up to a "childs" home after they know theyre underage and have intentions for sex then they can be arrested for attempted sexual assult on a minor

Kalyx triaD

07-20-2009, 08:38 PM

The "child" is an 18yo actress.

#1-norm-fan

07-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Well, here's something about Perverted Justice that I think was interesting. http://www.chatmag.com/help/17022004_pj.html

Like I said: Entrapment...

Side note: I am not pro-Pedophile. I am just pro-justice. I don't see "To Catch a Predator" as justice.

I've seen a couple cases where the guy admitted in some way that he was the one who first started the conversation. So it's not so black and white where you can just say "Entrapment" and that's it.

If the decoy is the one who is actively trying start the conversations, then it is entrapment. Just like a cop posing as a prostitute has to wait for the thought of sex for money to be brought up.

I do however think that when someone comes to a house to have sex with a 13 year old, entrapment or not, when they get arrested, it's justice. I don't really see how you wouldn't think it is.

Kalyx triaD

07-20-2009, 09:00 PM

By that logic me saying I'm going to kill my brother and then going to a hardware store to buy an axe from the guy I had the convo with - would be an arrestable offense.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 08:21 AM

Kalyx is dumb. We get it.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 11:06 AM

You might "get it," but when does your observations matter? You dudes don't know shit about 'justice'. Your definition is lacking. You guys are talking interactionist views on crime (read: weak sauce moralist).

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 11:18 AM

By that logic me saying I'm going to kill my brother and then going to a hardware store to buy an axe from the guy I had the convo with - would be an arrestable offense.

lol. What!?!? Not the same thing at all.

You could be going to the hardware story for plenty of other reasons than to find shit to kill someone with.

There is NO OTHER REASON for a guy to go to that specific house after having a sexually charged conversation with someone he thought was 13 that happened to tell him she lives at that house... usually hours away.

Seriously... that was one of the dumbest analogies I've ever heard.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Yeah, kinda went off field with that. In any case the set-up was classic entrapment anyway you look at it. These dudes, however fucked up their fetishes, were still chatting with impostures and an 18yo actress. Who's the victim? A fucking fictional teenage girl? I love To Catch A Predator, it is a lol factory, but you can't lock up guys on that shit. For so many reasons.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 11:45 AM

It's their intent to fuck a 13 year old girl though. If the decoy starts the conversation, then I will agree at least to some extent that it goes a bit too far. If the guy sees a profile of a 13 year old girl and PMs them, starts talking about sex and things they wanna do to them and then comes to the house that they expect them to be, they are officially a pedophile... whether there was a real "victim" in that very instance or not.

Should they just watch the guy and wait until he finds an actually little kid and fucks them? He obviously is out to do just that if he is PMing girls he thinks is 13 and trying to come over when their parents aren't home to do this stuff he's gone into detail about.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 11:57 AM

If the guy sees a profile of a 13 year old girl and PMs them, starts talking about sex and things they wanna do to them and then comes to the house that they expect them to be, they are officially a pedophile... whether there was a real "victim" in that very instance or not.

Wrong. They've done no harm, if anything they were played on their deviant desires. Does that make them a pedo? I suppose, they do have issues. Should pedos be arrested without them actually harming anyone? No. What you speak of isn't justice, but disgust. And I'm with you as far as that goes, but we can't honestly toss people in jail cause we're digusted.

Should they just watch the guy and wait until he finds an actually little kid and fucks them?

Unfortunately yes. We can't see the future and investigators would love to stop heinous shit before it goes down, but we simply do not have the right to point and say, "Yeah, he would have done it anyway." Even if a staged set-up reveals as much. Should something be done? Yeah, maybe surveillance or something like probation check ups. But not lock up, they've yet to prove danger to society.

He obviously is out to do just that if he is PMing girls he thinks is 13 and trying to come over when their parents aren't home to do this stuff he's gone into detail about.

Except there was no girl, only a character.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:07 PM

they've yet to prove danger to society.
Really? :|

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:08 PM

Really.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:12 PM

You're even dumber than I thought... And that is saying something.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:13 PM

:nono:

As soon as he attempts to act on his "deviant desires", he has proven himself to be a danger to society. Character or not, the attempt was made with him intending to have sex with a 13 year old. That proves him to be a danger to society.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:15 PM

You're even dumber than I thought... And that is saying something.

It's coming from you so that doesn't say a bloody thing. This subject is often... subject to different views - but for you to call any one viewpoint dumb, an educated one (whether you'd like to believe it or not), makes >>>you<<< the dumbshit. #1-wwf-fan can teach you a thing or two.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:17 PM

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:23 PM

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:25 PM

Here's a good one for you, Kalyx.

I tell you I'm coming to your home, with the intention of gunning you down. I buy a gun from somebody I believe to be a criminal, but in reality this person is an undercover officer, and has sold me a gun that does not work. Knowing nothing about guns, perhaps I wouldn't realise until I tried to pull the trigger. I arrive at your house, and you open the door. I pull out the gun, aim it at your head, and pull the trigger. At this point, the police jump out and arrest me.

Of course, I had no chance of committing the crime, because the gun was not real. What would you want me charged with?

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:28 PM

That cop was simply playing on your deviant desire to shoot Kalyx. You've harmed no one. There's no victim. You need help, not lock up.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:32 PM

He has to actually successfully victimize someone to be a danger to society? That's like catching a suspected terrorist and finding pages and pages of plans and maps and places to blow up and blueprints and shit and letting him go cause there's "no victim."

Well let's see: Did we set up a fake country with made up ideals and fictional agendas for said terrorist to hate enough to bomb? Aside from that being a most elaborate case of entrapment, I'm willing to bet most suspected terrorist are posing real threats to real people.

'Predator's not just catching guys in the act, they made the act. And even if you don't see this has entrapment, it's another story wanting to imprison these guys after the fact. We are way too lock-up happy and it's been kicking us in the ass after a few decades in case you haven't noticed.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:33 PM

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:39 PM

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:47 PM

But I'm real, you clown. :lol: Don't drop the soap.

He could make the same arguments for his case that you've made though...

The "child" is an 18yo actress.

Well the "gun" wasn't really a gun.

We can't see the future and investigators would love to stop heinous shit before it goes down, but we simply do not have the right to point and say, "Yeah, he would have done it anyway." Even if a staged set-up reveals as much.

Well what if he hadn't yet even pulled the trigger? You can't see the future, right?

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:50 PM

One key element of the crime was false, making the crime impossible to commit. The attempted criminal was the only one not aware of this fact. I'm sure even you can see the similarities.

You're really clutching at straws here. For the sake of argument, let's say you give me the address to a vacant building, set up by the police department, and set up a dummy in the living room. I attempt to shoot the dummy through the window, believing it to be you.

Or, since you're so real... The person you have claimed to be online.

I'm gonna elaborate my reply to your previous scenario, which would appear to be a nice gambit, but flawed still - since this post of yours above doesn't add anything to your point (no offense).

You had a good set up, fake gun by an undercover cop - but the major difference is I'm a real guy you have desire to kill.

Now:

If I was a cop myself, who met you under the sole purpose of getting you to hate me enough to kill me, and the scenario went as you said - you go free. These are the sorts of details defense attorneys masturbate to, because instead of looking at a seemingly crucial element ("He went to the house!"), they examine and tear about the process of the event step by step. If one step is out of whack, then the case is lost: And the fact is I would have goaded you into wanting to kill me. You're no more a danger to society than an antagonist in some elaborate stage play.

Yes, it would appear that you have intent to kill if so pushed, but because we set you up - it's an unfortunate detail we can't arrest you for.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:50 PM

Nice double-team, #1-wwf-fan. ;)

I think we covered everything.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:53 PM

Bottom line is once you go through the steps of IMing a little kid (real or not is irrelevant for the sake of what I'm saying right now... YOU think it's a kid), telling that kid the sexual things you want to do, going to a house where you believe the kid is there alone, you are officially ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:53 PM

He could make the same arguments for his case that you've made though...

Nah.

Well the "gun" wasn't really a gun.

So... the gun is playing the part of the underage girl? What are you saying here?

Well what if he hadn't yet even pulled the trigger? You can't see the future, right?

Then he goes free. Perhaps he just so happened to buy a gun and wanted to come over to put hard feelings aside.

Or maybe you're being a smartass.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:54 PM

The fact that some of the cases were thrown out, doesn't hide the fact that many weren't.

Then he goes free. Perhaps he just so happened to buy a gun and wanted to come over to put hard feelings aside.
And when you show the police our chat logs, where I expressly threatened to shoot you between the eyes?

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:55 PM

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Then he goes free. Perhaps he just so happened to buy a gun and wanted to come over to put hard feelings aside.

No, no... I mean he's pointing the gun at you... he just doesn't pull the trigger.

Kind of a metaphor for the guys going to the house but TECHNICALLY never actually fucking anyone.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:57 PM

And when you show the police our chat logs, where I expressly threatened to shoot you between the eyes?

Again: I'm real. Not a character. You're telling me, a real dude, about killing me. So yeah, you show up at my place I'll want you sleeping on a flat mattress.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 12:59 PM

No, no... I mean he's pointing the gun at you... he just doesn't pull the trigger.

Oh. Well damn I hope a cop saves my very real life before I die! Because I'm not some fictional trap character, ya know.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 12:59 PM

What kid!? The character!?

You guys are missing/dodging/underestimating/downright avoiding a major fucking element here.
Would you rather they subjected real 13 year olds to these chats, in order to catch these guys?

Or would you rather wait until their 8th or 9th victim decides to report them, before the police make a move?

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 01:00 PM

What kid!? The character!?

You guys are missing/dodging/underestimating/downright avoiding a major fucking element here.

HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S A CHARACTER!!!! LOL

HIS INTENT IS TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD!!! WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!

What if the decoy was actually a 17 year old? Would this just make everyone happy on all bases? lol

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:02 PM

Would you rather they subjected real 13 year olds to these chats, in order to catch these guys?

lol No. S-S-S-Strawman. ^^^^^^

Or would you rather wait until their 8th or 9th victim decides to report them, before the police make a move?

Appeal to emotion. Try again.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 01:03 PM

Do you play dodgeball?

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:05 PM

HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S A CHARACTER!!!! LOL

HIS INTENT IS TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD!!! WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!

Appeal to emotion Part 2: ALL CAPS.

What if the decoy was actually a 17 year old? Would this just make everyone happy on all bases? lol

Then the guys running the show would be knee dip in legal shit themselves, making the show many times better. So yeah, we'd all be happy.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:06 PM

Do you play dodgeball?

On occasion.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 01:09 PM

The predators already in jail should really consider hiring Kalyx.

But... If his logic is so flawless... Surely none of them are in jail... Wait... What?

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 01:10 PM

Again, I'm less inclined to argue really if someone posing as an underage kid starts the conversation. Still fucked up but you can't go out and start trying to build up the situation like that.

However if the guy is actively PMing people he thinks are 13 in that manner, saying the shit these guys say, and then comes to the house, it shows that he has the intention of finding little kids to have sex with.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:15 PM

The predators already in jail should really consider hiring Kalyx.

But... If his logic is so flawless... Surely none of them are in jail... Wait... What?

Because everybody in jail deserves to be. The system can't be wrong, right? It's not like we have a prison population problem for locking up everybody who's merely deviant. Oh wait...

Again, I'm less inclined to argue really if someone posing as an underage kid starts the conversation. Still fucked up but you can't go out and start trying to build up the situation like that.

However if the guy is actively PMing people he thinks are 13 in that manner, saying the shit these guys say, and then comes to the house, it shows that he has the intention of finding little kids to have sex with.

...Okay. I'm with you on this...

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 01:15 PM

Appeal to emotion Part 2: ALL CAPS.

Then the guys running the show would be knee dip in legal shit themselves, making the show many times better. So yeah, we'd all be happy.

1) The all caps wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was me feeling the need to capitalize something I've had to say way too many times to try to get the point across.

2) Whether it would be illegal for the guys running the show to have a 17 year old play the decoy or not isn't the issue? Now who's dodging?

Forget there is even a show. Let's just say it's an elaborate plot by a 17 year old posing as a 13 year old. No one else is involved. Since he's simply playing a "character", if the guy shows up, does your "it's just a character" argument hold up?

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 01:18 PM

Because everybody in jail deserves to be. The system can't be wrong, right?
Let me guess. You have a cousin in jail?

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:20 PM

1) The all caps wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was me feeling the need to capitalize something I've had to say way too many times to try to get the point across.

I was referring to your content, the ALL CAPS thing was jest. You were still appealing to emotion, a logical fallacy. I wasn't pointing out you being emotional.

2) Whether it would be illegal for the guys running the show to have a 17 year old play the decoy or not isn't the issue? Now who's dodging?

NoJabba.

Forget there is even a show. Let's just say it's an elaborate plot by a 17 year old posing as a 13 year old. No one else is involved. Since he's simply playing a "character", if the guy shows up, does your "it's just a character" argument hold up?

The kid's underage and in danger so no, although the situation would be different - the guy would still be interacting with an underage child, actual age be damned. So yeah, he gets the flat mattress.

See how that works? Critical thinking, a just evaluation without some zero tolerance, interactionist bullshit? It's really not that hard.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:21 PM

Let me guess. You have a cousin in jail?

No. Nor do I know any pedos or am one myself. I'm 'bout justice, homey.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 01:22 PM

Your own zany idea of justice, perhaps.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 01:24 PM

Your own zany idea of justice, perhaps.

Right.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 01:27 PM

That's the one.

Afterlife

07-21-2009, 03:08 PM

He victimized no one. He needs help, not lock up.

This is very true. But he did break a law.

Again: I'm real. Not a character. You're telling me, a real dude, about killing me. So yeah, you show up at my place I'll want you sleeping on a flat mattress.

But you realize, as far as we know, you're just a screen name. That 18 year old claimed to be 13. You claim to be a black man of an age I can't recall. But we have no reason to doubt the validity of that until we get there.

No. Nor do I know any pedos or am one myself. I'm 'bout justice, homey.

Justice is relative, Kalyx. The law is not.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 03:11 PM

And we all know... You can't argue with THE LAW.

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Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 03:17 PM

Well if it's Dredd I'm dealing with, fuck that.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 03:18 PM

The kid's underage and in danger so no, although the situation would be different - the guy would still be interacting with an underage child, actual age be damned. So yeah, he gets the flat mattress.

See how that works? Critical thinking, a just evaluation without some zero tolerance, interactionist bullshit? It's really not that hard.

Different situation? You WERE the one who implied that the decoy being 18 had some effect on whether it was right or not though by saying he was talking to an "18 year old actor. Why bring up how old the actor is if it's not relevant?

And wouldn't a "just evaluation" of the situation say that the guy is an obvious threat to molest a child seeing as how he is being caught attempting to do so?

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 03:19 PM

This is very true. But he did break a law.

But you realize, as far as we know, you're just a screen name. That 18 year old claimed to be 13. You claim to be a black man of an age I can't recall. But we have no reason to doubt the validity of that until we get there.

Justice is relative, Kalyx. The law is not.

You win.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 03:20 PM

Different situation? You WERE the one who implied that the decoy being 18 had some effect on whether it was right or not though by saying he was talking to an "18 year old actor. Why bring up how old the actor is if it's not relevant?

And wouldn't a "just evaluation" of the situation say that the guy is an obvious threat to molest a child seeing as how he is being caught attempting to do so?

No.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 03:22 PM

Well then we have hit a road block, sir.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 03:23 PM

And for the record, I emphasized the actress' age because you guys were hung up on this 'underage character' that was in danger. Please know that the bulk of my argument is based on the fact that nobody was in any real danger, and the premise was an elaborate entrapment to begin with.

#1-norm-fan

07-21-2009, 03:44 PM

I was never hung up on the character being in danger... I don't think anyone was.

It's the fact that he didn't know it was a character which proves, if he found the profile, sent the PM, said all the details, drove to the house, that he is actively looking for a 13 year old to have sex with.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll

07-21-2009, 03:54 PM

Proving, beyond a doubt, willingness and intent to commit the crime. The only staged part was the opportunity.

Afterlife

07-21-2009, 03:59 PM

Hey, Hey! I already won. Thread over, bitches.

Kalyx triaD

07-21-2009, 05:39 PM

Duh.

Buzzkill

07-24-2009, 10:07 PM

Am fucking disgusted by this show. While I obviously do not sympathize with child predators, what gives a show the right to completely humiliate somebody in front of every single person they know? Let the god damn law deal with them, seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

Kalyx triaD

07-24-2009, 10:22 PM

Actually they shouldn't have went to the house, that was their choice. Anything that happens is on them. You are criticizing the best angle of the show!

Vastardikai

07-26-2009, 09:55 PM

I already posted one thing on this, based off of Perverted Justice's own acts.

The main piece of evidence (the chat) can be altered. For all we know, the 18 year old actor could have been presenting themselves AS an 18 year old, and it was changed after the fact. They do a copy and paste job on their own websites, and it's not like that can be hacked at all. :shifty:

I'm not saying these people are good people are even decent people. In the cases where they in fact did initiate the chat, good for them.

However:

Perverted Justice keeps track of the number of "busts" (exposures of alleged child molestors) that have been made using these methods – over 700 so far – but they don't place a lot of emphasis on the fact that only a small percentage of these "busts" – perhaps 1 in 6 or less – have resulted in actual criminal convictions. They've also been accused of using real underage kids in their efforts to attract online "pedophiles." These tactics have won them a lot of critics – and the arguments against this site do have weight. Folks who don't like Perverted Justice claim that it has helped to ruin the lives of many people who would have otherwise not been the cause of any trouble at all

Source: http://www.modemac.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Perverted_Justice

1 in 6 or less... Yeah, good thing we're getting that 1, even though we may be needlessly ruining the lives of the other 5.

Kalyx triaD

07-26-2009, 11:38 PM

What is it... "collateral damage?"

Zeeboe

12-30-2009, 09:39 PM

This is the only predator I have ever felt bad for. :( I suppose it's because he has a baby face, and he's pretty much just a kid himself.

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I honestly don't see him as a computer predator, but just a dumb teenage kid who didn't think clearly, and mentally, probably saw himself as a 13-year old, not aware that he was an adult. Society kinda babies kids now, so many of them don't really mature until they're like 30, and mentally, they still think and act like teenagers, and even see themselves as one through out their twenties. I know not everyone is like this, but plenty are. I think that was the case with Richer. And given that he actually was a teenager, it's not too shocking that he made this error.

OssMan

12-30-2009, 09:42 PM

Yeah you would bump this thread Zeeboe

Zeeboe

12-30-2009, 09:43 PM

Yeah you would bump this thread Zeeboe

Guilty as charged! I still love watching these clips on youtube. Been addicted since last summer. :yes:

Sixx

12-30-2009, 09:43 PM

Of course.

Zeeboe

12-30-2009, 09:46 PM

You fellas ever see "Hard Candy"? I saw it for the first time last summer after my banning, and oddly enough, some of the chats between the two main characters reminded me of the battles I've had on here. Here's the preview. :) (Although you won't see what chats that reminded me of the fights on here that I'm talking about in the preview.)

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Heyman

12-30-2009, 11:31 PM

Most of the predators are Indian. :nono:

Reavant

12-31-2009, 01:40 AM

Basically if the person who gets caught gets a good enough lawyer, they will never get charged with anything. However that works for pretty much any crime you can commit.... thank you OJ

Skippord

12-31-2009, 08:24 AM

shocked that Zeeboe feels bad for a pedophile

Zeeboe

12-31-2009, 09:38 AM

shocked that Zeeboe feels bad for a pedophile

Technically, he's not a pedophile. None of the men on "To Catch a Predator" are. Pedophiles target little children. The men on "To Catch a Predator" are going after young teens, and are consider "Computer Predators".

Richer is the only one I've ever felt bad for, and not made fun of. It's because he's only 19, and I see him as a kid too. It's disturbing seeing a young kid's whole life being ruined all for being stupid, which is something a lot of kids that age are guilty of. There are plenty of hot 18 and 19-year old college girls he could have tried to date. He's a good looking kid, and it's a shame he was wasting his looks and time trying to woe who he thought was a 13-year old. That's why he gets my pity. :)

The older guys however do not. They should have known better. :y:

Heyman

12-31-2009, 03:54 PM

He's a good looking kid, and it's a shame he was wasting his looks and time trying to woe who he thought was a 13-year old. That's why he gets my pity. :)

The older guys however do not. They should have known better. :y:

Dear Zeeboe,

Where art thou?

Sincerely,

Logic

Buzzkill

12-31-2009, 04:04 PM

What there is no way Zeeboe is 27, definitely thought he was a 12 year old with massive ADD.

My Final Heaven

12-31-2009, 05:56 PM

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/263/e/2/Trolls_by_Whynne.png

Zeeboe

12-31-2009, 06:42 PM

What there is no way Zeeboe is 27, definitely thought he was a 12 year old with massive ADD.

Haha. I am a 27-year old manchild is what I am.

Swiss Ultimate

01-01-2010, 11:32 AM

They need to make a To Catch a Predator movie.

At the very least they need to release the episodes on DVD.

Xero

01-01-2010, 12:06 PM

They need to make a To Catch a Predator movie.

"In a world..."

Zeeboe

01-01-2010, 07:15 PM

A "To Catch a Predator" musical would be cool too.

thedamndest

01-01-2010, 07:20 PM

They need to make a To Catch a Predator movie.

At the very least they need to release the episodes on DVD.

Starring Tom Hanks:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GugQ9aesH4E/SIZrCkFhxVI/AAAAAAAACmM/JrtYgvIrGrg/s400/catch_me_if_you_can.jpg

+

http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/predator.jpg

Kane86

01-01-2010, 07:52 PM

Technically, he's not a pedophile. None of the men on "To Catch a Predator" are. Pedophiles target little children. The men on "To Catch a Predator" are going after young teens, and are consider "Computer Predators".

Richer is the only one I've ever felt bad for, and not made fun of. It's because he's only 19, and I see him as a kid too. It's disturbing seeing a young kid's whole life being ruined all for being stupid, which is something a lot of kids that age are guilty of. There are plenty of hot 18 and 19-year old college girls he could have tried to date. He's a good looking kid, and it's a shame he was wasting his looks and time trying to woe who he thought was a 13-year old. That's why he gets my pity. :)

The older guys however do not. They should have known better. :y:

So you feel sorry for a 19 year old boy that was breaking the law and knew what he was doing was wrong. Zeeboe you are an idiot for thinkign like that. He knew what could happen his ignorance does not get my pity. Unlike you take up for child molesters and also say that Admiring is not stalking.

Just like you say about the older ones The dumb bastard should have known better.

Swiss Ultimate

01-01-2010, 08:34 PM

Swiss Ultimate

01-01-2010, 09:09 PM

Does anybody know if Gertner's been on lately?

Kane86

01-01-2010, 09:31 PM

Does anybody know if Gertner's been on lately?

no he is off shooting meth god only knows when he will be back. Last we heard about him he said he was going to take his Tv apart and make a new car out of it.

Kane86

01-01-2010, 09:32 PM

They need to make a To Catch a Predator movie.

At the very least they need to release the episodes on DVD.

To Catch a Predator blooper reel.

Swiss Ultimate

01-01-2010, 09:35 PM

To Catch a Predator blooper reel.

Like the one where the guy killed himself?

Kane86

01-01-2010, 09:37 PM

Like the one where the guy killed himself?

Yeah dude that is comedy gold.

Swiss Ultimate

01-01-2010, 09:44 PM

I wonder if anybody ever pranked the house by ordering pizza or if the host ever busted out laughing.

"Your screen name is HotDude27NYC4Lyfe? Really?"

Kane86

01-01-2010, 09:45 PM

I wonder if anybody ever pranked the house by ordering pizza or if the host ever busted out laughing.

"Your screen name is HotDude27NYC4Lyfe? Really?"

I wanna know if any of Zeeboes people ever showed up at the house shit faced drunk or anything.

Zeeboe

01-01-2010, 11:15 PM

So you feel sorry for a 19 year old boy that was breaking the law and knew what he was doing was wrong. Zeeboe you are an idiot for thinkign like that. He knew what could happen his ignorance does not get my pity. Unlike you take up for child molesters and also say that Admiring is not stalking.

Just like you say about the older ones The dumb bastard should have known better.

The kid wouldn't have done anything if the decoy hadn't egged him on. He wasn't following a 13-year old home from school for Pete's sake. So now the tax payers have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to keep a generally harmless boy in jail? Insane. Let's stick to what really matters.

Richer is no "computer predator" or "pedophile". I love "To Catch a Predator", but the show sometimes did messed up stuff for the sake of ratings, including ruining the life of a student.

I bet you anything those cops wouldn't be acting like it was a deranged serial killer coming out of the house if those cameras weren't on. They did it for the sake of entertainment. (The screaming, and the tackling, with tazers out.)

Richer was living at home with his parents, he was a freshmen in college, and he wasn't even old enough to buy booze. I don't consider people fully grown adults until they are at least 21. 19 is stll a teenager.

Does that Richer kid need some help? Yes, and I hope he's getting it. But is he worthy of being locked away in prison, having his life ruined, and being branded a sex offender for the rest of his life? No, not in my book. Obviously in yours. But I'd rather have my tax dollars go to placing real criminals behind bars, not lonely internet geek's or bored young men.

Kane86

01-01-2010, 11:20 PM

The kid wouldn't have done anything if the decoy hadn't egged him on. He wasn't following a 13-year old home from school for Pete's sake. So now the tax payers have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to keep a generally harmless boy in jail? Insane. Let's stick to what really matters.

Richer is no "computer predator" or "pedophile". I love "To Catch a Predator", but the show sometimes did messed up stuff for the sake of ratings, including ruining the life of a student.

I bet you anything those cops wouldn't be acting like it was a deranged serial killer coming out of the house if those cameras weren't on. They did it for the sake of entertainment. (The screaming, and the tackling, with tazers out.)

Richer was living at home with his parents, he was a freshmen in college, and he wasn't even old enough to buy booze. I don't consider people fully grown adults until they are at least 21. 19 is stll a teenager.

Does that Richer kid need some help? Yes, and I hope he's getting it. But is he worthy of being locked away in prison, having his life ruined, and being branded a sex offender for the rest of his life? No, not in my book. Obviously in yours. But I'd rather have my tax dollars go to placing real criminals behind bars, not lonely internet geek's or bored young men.

Yeah well by law he is 18 what he was doing is wrong. He was going to meet a 13 year old girl for sex. He made the choose to ruin his life. Chris Hansen didn't stick a gun to his head and make him go. HE CHOOSE TO GO!!! He ruined his life not the internet or To Catch a Predator. He choose to ruin his own life.

If you can't see anything wrong with that then you are a fucking moron.

Zeeboe

01-01-2010, 11:54 PM

Kane86

01-02-2010, 12:18 AM

I just think a hard slap on the wrist would be better then jail time. I'm glad the folks at NBC decided not to air his interview. Sure, it's on the net, but it never made the final cut on the show. I think they even knew seeing a kid's life getting ruined would upset people. His interview also makes me able to see why some people protested the show, and believed the whole thing was entrapment.

A slap on the wrsit just means he is going to go out and do it again. Jail should teach him the gravity of his situation he put himself in. Second he mad the choice to come and he thought crying was going to get him out of it. Sorry it doesn't work like that he was going to meet a 13 year old girl so he really wasn't thinking of the implications of what could happen. He has sociopathic tendenices and he needs to be punished for it. Had he not gotten Jail time he would have kept on doing the same thing over and over again. I have seen his interview on To Catch a Predator Raw so it did make it. So he can relieve that moment he put himself in. He choose to ruin his life not in anyway was he forced to come.

So you feel sorry for a perv and weirdo that says alot about your character.

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 12:32 AM

Requiem

01-02-2010, 12:35 AM

How about you actually read the chats. Kid deserved what he got.

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=jack_doh12

Kane86

01-02-2010, 12:49 AM

I make fun of most of these guys. That 19-year old is the only one I've ever felt bad for. I just honestly don't see how it doesn't damage a 13-year old to bang a 15-year old, but it does if the guy is 19? Give me a break.

Its because you are fucked in the head, All your beliefs are wrong and all your opinions mean nothing.Everything you do and say is wrong. You will never be right. ALSO HE IS 19 YEARS OLD HE SHOULD BE DATING WOMEN HIS FUCKING AGE!!!!!!!! NOT PATROLLING CHAT ROOMS FOR SEX WITH MINORS!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at it froma fathers perspective woudl you want your 13 year old daughter fucking some strang 19 year old she met in a chat room?

You will probably say yes because lets face it everything that is wrong in the world you think is ok.

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 12:59 AM

Requiem

01-02-2010, 01:01 AM

You're pretty sexy when you're angry. ;) Anyhow, that 19-year old would not have tried to meet her if she had not egged him on. And I remember being that age, and middle schoolers are not exactly innocent. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about punishing the middle schoolers for acting like little sluts?

What? Read the chats. Part of the stipulation is that they can't -initiate- the contact, or the offer of sex. The kid was CONSTANTLY asking for it. Yeah he felt 'iffy', but he kept doing it anyways, even though he knew he would get in trouble if he got caught (he said that multiple times in the chat)

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 01:08 AM

What? Read the chats. Part of the stipulation is that they can't -initiate- the contact, or the offer of sex. The kid was CONSTANTLY asking for it. Yeah he felt 'iffy', but he kept doing it anyways, even though he knew he would get in trouble if he got caught (he said that multiple times in the chat)

Well, I have not read the full chat, but the decoy could have said something like...."Okay, well, don't worry about us meeting then."

I've read other chat logs before where the decoys NEVER do that. They just keep egging the guys on to come over cause all they care about is screwing up someone's life to make themselves feel better. Heck, I could get into that myself.....but they should have had mercy on the kid. He's not a grown-up. He's just a kid too.

Again, why aren't the middle schoolers ever punished for acting like sluts? See, that's the problem with society....we baby our kids, and spoil them, and make them think they can get away with anything, then they grow up, and still think they can get away with stuff, expect others to baby and spoil them, and mentally, still think and act like children.

But the second those kids turn 18, society just throws them to the wolves, and expects them to behave like adults after wiping their noses for them their whole lives.

I think that may have been the case with Richer. Physcially, he may have been a man, but mentally, he was like a 13-year old.

The above logic only applies to men by the way. Just another example of sexism against men. Women can pretty much always be spoiled, and treated like children forever, and not be damaged later as a result. HOT women that is..... funny how most of those pretty women probably don't realize men are only nice to them cause they wanna fuck em'....and if they weren't fuckable looking, no man would waste his time being a "gentleman". But some women probably know that, and probably enjoy that thought. Anyhow, that's another topic.

Buzzkill

01-02-2010, 01:18 AM

I feel bad for these guys because it is obvious that they live a life of endless torment. They're fully aware of the implications and gravity of their actions yet still they cannot stop from doing it.

Don't you think the urge must be unbearable?

I dunno, definitely not saying it's acceptable behavior, but you gotta understand where people are coming from, in all situations. Otherwise, you get blind hatred.

Something I've been thinking about a lot lately

Kane86

01-02-2010, 01:33 AM

You're pretty sexy when you're angry. ;) Anyhow, that 19-year old would not have tried to meet her if she had not egged him on. And I remember being that age, and middle schoolers are not exactly innocent. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about punishing the middle schoolers for acting like little sluts?

She didn't egg him on he brought it up the fucking pedo brought it up like mostly do. Maybe you should also think that Perverted Justice was made by people who were victimized my predators. This is not for some sick desire what your sayign is that its ok to be a predator.

You know people like Zeeboe are why i watch Lock Up......

Requiem

01-02-2010, 01:37 AM

How was he anything like a 13 year old mentally? He was a fucking perv. READ THE CHAT LOGS. He talked about fucking her in the ass, and at one point even talked about wanting to fuck a 14 year old boy. At no point in that entire log does he act like a 13 year old. He acted like a horny 19 year old who KNEW she was underaged and flat out stated that he KNEW he would get in trouble if they got caught.

She didn't egg him on. She answered his questions. Everything was initiated by him, and she just responded to what he asked or said.

Buzzkill

01-02-2010, 02:31 AM

Basically, what I'm saying is that they are ill. Not evil

Requiem

01-02-2010, 02:58 AM

See I don't think of that guy as necessarily a pedophile. Just an idiot. I don't know if he had a thing for young girls or not, but he was fucking stupid to say the shit he did to a '13 year old'. He claimed to only go for older girls usually, so who knows. At 19, I really don't think he had developed a thing for underaged kids or anything, but was probably just some horny stupid 19 year old who obviously got off on the risk and the fact that it was 'dangerous'.

Swiss Ultimate

01-02-2010, 10:24 AM

Basically, what I'm saying is that they are ill. Not evil

They're ill because they want to have sex with children. They're evil because they do.

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 11:42 AM

She didn't egg him on he brought it up the fucking pedo brought it up like mostly do. Maybe you should also think that Perverted Justice was made by people who were victimized my predators. This is not for some sick desire what your sayign is that its ok to be a predator.

You know people like Zeeboe are why i watch Lock Up......

The 80's movie with Stallone?

Seth82

01-02-2010, 11:49 AM

The 80's movie with Stallone?

Lock Up is a documentary tv program on MSNBC about prisons

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 11:52 AM

Basically, what I'm saying is that they are ill. Not evil

I can agree with that, and I think some are worst then others. There are guys that are just straight up evil, and will hurt kids, and even kill them so they won't rat on em'. But then there are guys who don't go after children....they go after young teens, and just want love and lust with them like they were their age, and would never hurt them.

And again, I think some of these guys just never grew up mentally in some parts of their brain. It's like everywhere else, they are an adult, but in this one little spot in their head, the part of their brain that should be telling them to date women or girls their age tells them to target middle-school girls, cause they're mentally stuck in the middle school years. That section of their head sadly never aged, and it's all messed up. Litreally.

Some pedophiles have admitted before that they can remember as children being attracted to little kids. That may have been the case with Richer, but again, I really don't see him that way. I think the internet kinda messes up your judgment, and doesn't make you realize (especially in the case of talking to a minor) what you're doing, and again, like Requiem brought up, I think he was just horny, and maybe did enjoy the thrill of doing something illegal, and who knows, he may have talked that way with anyone who was female and just as horny, because he was in the mood.

I also need to add that if this was anyone older then 19, I might not be defending them so much, but 19 is a border line kid in my vew.

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 11:57 AM

Lock Up is a documentary tv program on MSNBC about prisons

Oh! Okay. Sounds very cool. I was a big Oz and Prison Break fan, so I may need to check that show out. I'm sure I've seen some episodes.

Anyhow, the dude that appeared on the Steve Wilkos show back in 2007 is what I consider to be a real pedophile.

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I know posting a clip from a day time TV show may be a silly example, and I may get ribbed for it, but I can assure you Jack McClellan is NOT an actor, and is very real. If you google and/or youtube his name, you'll find he is legit as scary and sick as that is.

And that Richer kid is nothing like Jack McClellan. That's why I don't see him as a threat.

Reavant

01-02-2010, 03:08 PM

The kid wouldn't have done anything if the decoy hadn't egged him on. He wasn't following a 13-year old home from school for Pete's sake. So now the tax payers have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to keep a generally harmless boy in jail? Insane. Let's stick to what really matters.

Richer is no "computer predator" or "pedophile". I love "To Catch a Predator", but the show sometimes did messed up stuff for the sake of ratings, including ruining the life of a student.

I bet you anything those cops wouldn't be acting like it was a deranged serial killer coming out of the house if those cameras weren't on. They did it for the sake of entertainment. (The screaming, and the tackling, with tazers out.)

Richer was living at home with his parents, he was a freshmen in college, and he wasn't even old enough to buy booze. I don't consider people fully grown adults until they are at least 21. 19 is stll a teenager.

Does that Richer kid need some help? Yes, and I hope he's getting it. But is he worthy of being locked away in prison, having his life ruined, and being branded a sex offender for the rest of his life? No, not in my book. Obviously in yours. But I'd rather have my tax dollars go to placing real criminals behind bars, not lonely internet geek's or bored young men.

First of all, more often than not these cases dont end up in prison/jail time.

I guess youve never seen a cop do his thing before... they come running out like that with tasers drawn when a drunk guy is kicked out of a bar and is yelling.

Just because you need to be 21 to drink doesnt mean your not an adult. The LAW says you are an adult at 18 so just because you still sonsider him a teenager, your consideration is meaningless.

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 03:22 PM

Nine-TEEN.....the word says he's a teenager. And in the case of Richer, he did end up behind bars. Six months to be exact, with three years probation. He got off REALLY, REALLY easy compared to some other guys, but still, a very rough punishment. I just really and truly hope he learned his lesson, won't ever do anything like that again, and that his life won't be ruined, and that he'll still able to reach his dreams, and do what he wants.

I also hope that no psychopath, high and mighty, do-gooder, whackjob vigilante bullies won't harass and/or bully him.

Kane86

01-02-2010, 03:26 PM

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 03:29 PM

Maybe he deserves it...............

You really see a 19-year old boy in the same way you'd see some 60-year old man trying to have sex with a 13-year old?

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 03:32 PM

Take a look at his pic:

http://www.perverted-justice.com/pedopics/user328-retired_contributor-jackdoh.jpg

Now do you really look at him, and think....."That's a grown man."? Not me. Looks like a kid in my eyes. He could pass for a 16-year old.

Reavant

01-02-2010, 06:34 PM

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 10:49 PM

because that how the law works.. umm well he looks like he couls be under 18 so its ok. your a fool... if he were chatting up a 17 year old at his age then id agree but 13!? thats a huge difference at those ages.

I'm not saying what he did was right. What I am saying is that Perverted Justice should not target 19-year old kids. I believe him when he said he's never done anything like that before, and I think if the decoy showed no interest, he would not have kept the chat going.

Skippord

01-02-2010, 10:59 PM

perverted justice doesn't target anyone you fucking numbskull

Zeeboe

01-02-2010, 11:01 PM

perverted justice doesn't target anyone you fucking numbskull

They do troll chats.

Verbose Minch

01-03-2010, 03:15 AM

They do troll chats.

Yes, but 9 times out of 10, they aren't the one instigating the conversation.

Skippord

01-03-2010, 05:04 AM

10 times out of 10

Zeeboe

01-03-2010, 01:00 PM

I just don't think most teens would be acting that horny to older men. I started using the web when I was 12, and went into chats all the time, and when I was that age, anytime older men IMed me, and it happened quite a lot after I posted my a/s/l....I was always a little rude to them, or straight out told them they were too old, and to get lost. And I'd put them on block if they kept bothering me. So why not act like an uninterested in teen and see what happens instead of acting like a slutty little teen?

Also, if I was 13, and an older girl....like say a hot 19-year old college girl showed interest in me, I would have LOVED it.........LOOOOOVED it. And I highly doubt me doing sexual stuff with her would have damaged me. If it were someone older....I could see how it would be mentally damaging. But 19 is still a kid/teen in my view.

DAMN iNATOR

01-03-2010, 02:03 PM

You really see a 19-year old boy in the same way you'd see some 60-year old man trying to have sex with a 13-year old?

I believe here in the USA, 19 is old enough for oneself to be called a man or woman under the law, especially since 18 is the legal age of majority here.

I mean, come on, dude. If we're gonna debate this whole thing, shouldn't we at least use a little common sense?

Requiem

01-04-2010, 02:17 PM

You really see a 19-year old boy in the same way you'd see some 60-year old man trying to have sex with a 13-year old?

Odds are, the 60 year old man didn't just become a paedophile (in most cases). That 60-year old man had to have those urges long before he acted on them, and what's not to say a 19 year old kid getting some 13 year old vagina isn't going to keep going after it even later.

Honestly, this is completely pointless. You're wrong, you're an idiot, and you will not 'win' this argument. You won't look at facts, or even consider re-thinking your stance on it when presented with new facts. Such as the fucking chat log, which if you would read it all, paints this kid as a huge fucking pervert and should give you absolutely NO reason to doubt why he got in trouble and why he deserved every bit of it.

The kid didn't go to prison. He got a little jail time, probation, and was forced to be permanently registered as a sex offender. He deserved it. The punishment was not too severe.

Now shut the fuck up, you pedo loving fucktard.

Kalyx triaD

01-04-2010, 02:24 PM

Being registered as a sex offender is pretty fucked up. Not something we should toss around. Your life is essentially over after the fact.

Requiem

01-04-2010, 02:36 PM

It is pretty fucked up that he was going to have sex with a 13 year old girl, and that he asked her if she had any gay friends from school who would want to come and let him fuck them in the ass.

And also, depending on the crime, it fits. And being registered temporarily isn't really a huge deal. Permanently, yeah.. probably. But the kid deserved it. It sucks ass, but I have a friend who had to register because he was at a party when he was 18, and a 16 year old girl and her friends wanted him to come jump on the trampoline naked with them. The neighbors found out, told her parents, and they pressed charges against the kid.

He had to register as a sex offender for several years, take lie detector tests, etc.. the whole thing. It sucked, yeah, but he still went on with his life. He is now no longer registered after finishing it, and is married and has a kid with another on the way. Has a job, a house.. etc.. It's not life ending. It's life altering.

Now that's fucked up. Not this bullshit about a 19 year old kid wanting to fuck a 13 year old. Guy deserved that shit, so get out of here with the pity.

Requiem

01-04-2010, 02:38 PM

It is no different than SuperSlim soliciting naked pictures from a 14 year old girl. Dude was how old and still did that shit? Come on.. there's a point when you know better. And if you know better and do it anyways, then you deserve any shitstorm that comes your way.

Kalyx triaD

01-04-2010, 02:51 PM

And also, depending on the crime, it fits. And being registered temporarily isn't really a huge deal. Permanently, yeah.. probably.

That's what I'm getting at. And to be clear, I'm not gonna comment on the kid, his chat log, any of that shit.

To be registered as a sex offender has many effects people usually don't think about. These guys can't live where they want, or even travel certain routes. Many of them are outcast even within their families. They often go homeless or live 'off the grid/under the table', ironically becoming harder to track. They are forced to create 'pedo colonies' which is more sex offenders in one place (imagine moving into that town). It's a great many things that happen after the fact. It's the same with having a criminal record, a social death sentence for many.

Note: I'm not on the pedo's side. These are facts raised during lectures in class.

Buzzkill

01-04-2010, 02:52 PM

They're ill because they want to have sex with children. They're evil because they do.
I would say they are weak because they do.

I don't believe in evil.

Requiem

01-04-2010, 02:54 PM

Hitler wasn't evil?

Kalyx triaD

01-04-2010, 02:54 PM

And for me it isn't pity, I can give a fuck about these guys, but common sense is common sense. What do we do with people who can't work or live certain places? Shall we accommodate them? Development more work programs? How much will that cost? These things people don't fathom when they're passionately slamming the ban-hammer.

Kalyx triaD

01-04-2010, 02:55 PM

I would say they are weak because they do.

I don't believe in evil.

I see, I take it you believe in the idea of no good or evil? If so we're just about accord. I have similar thoughts on the matter.

Hitler wasn't evil?

No.

Buzzkill

01-04-2010, 03:03 PM

Hitler wasn't evil?
Not in the way that people generally interpret its meaning. Not in my book, anyway. As much as it may make us feel better labeling him as evil, I just don't see it that way.

Insane? Delusional? Narcissistic? Absolutely...

To me, I see "evil" acts as people responding to fear and impulse in a terribly irresponsible and destructive way.

To imply somebody is evil means that A) they are sane and rational and B) that their only goal is to cause massive human suffering or destruction.

I do believe that, in Hitler's eyes, what he was doing was just and necessary. Even if deep down he knew this not to be true, the subconscious brain has a way of convincing the conscious self that its actions are somehow justified.

I believe that those who commit "evil" acts are terribly misguided, weak, and at the mercy of their own subconscious and natural impulses (some of which can be naturally present through genetics or early trauma)

To label an individual as evil is pure reductionism in my eyes.

Zeeboe

01-04-2010, 03:21 PM

Requiem - I am hardly a pedo lover. I love mocking pedos if that counts.

BTW: The men and boys featured on the show are not pedophiles. They're computer predators. Pedophiles target children. The men on "To Catch a Predator" are targeting young teenagers, & they're using the web to do so.

I am not saying what this kid did was right. I am saying the Perverted Justice decoy should have said she likes older guys when he IMed her, and should have told him that he was too young, then she should have blocked him in my view.

If Richer would have grown up to become a computer predator, then he would have gotten caught in due time.

Requiem

01-04-2010, 03:51 PM

Stop trying to differentiate between something. There's no difference between what you described and a pedophile. By law, they are pedophiles. Every single one of them. There is no 'pedophile teenager clause' that excludes them because the girls were 13 and not 12. There is no difference mentally between a 12 year old girl and a 13 year old girl. They fall into that category because people of that age are not old enough to fully understand their emotions or that people will use them and manipulate them to get sex. There is a point when you are old enough to decide if you want to have sex. 13 is NOT old enough.

And lol "should have said she likes older guys". Do you even understand what the purpose of the whole setup is? It is so that they can catch people who would OTHERWISE, be meeting up with REAL underage people to have sex with them. They don't just set these things up for no reason you stupid shit. They set it up because if they didn't get these people, the odds are good that they might go out and meet up with a real underage person and have sex with them.

They're not going to say they 'like older guys' because that defeats the whole purpose you twit. If you really believe what you're saying, then you're a fucktard.

And he didn't have to 'grow up' to become a computer predator. He was already in the mindset of one.

I will state it for the fifty fucking billionth god damn time. Read the god damn chat log. And if you still feel he didn't deserve it, then I am going to continue to come in here and call you a fucking idiot over and over again, because that's what you are.

El Vaquero de Infierno

01-05-2010, 01:42 PM

I'm surprised these fuckwits actually stay to talk to that guy. I would think these pervs, as soon as they found out was going on, would make a bee-line for the door. Nothing they say can justify what they were hoping to get up to that evening. They must live in hope. Or they secretly want to get caught, or see themselves on TV. Momma must be proud.

And for the record, the sound of that Hansen guy's voice makes me want to slap him.

Kalyx triaD

01-05-2010, 02:16 PM

Wrong doers are optimist by default.

Skippord

01-05-2010, 09:34 PM

Not in the way that people generally interpret its meaning. Not in my book, anyway. As much as it may make us feel better labeling him as evil, I just don't see it that way.

Insane? Delusional? Narcissistic? Absolutely...

To me, I see "evil" acts as people responding to fear and impulse in a terribly irresponsible and destructive way.

To imply somebody is evil means that A) they are sane and rational and B) that their only goal is to cause massive human suffering or destruction.

really someone who planned a systematic genocide of millions of people wasn't trying to cause massive human suffering or destruction?

Zeeboe

01-05-2010, 11:09 PM

I wanna stop fighting, and get back to making fun of computer predators. Lorne Armstrong here is one of my favorites.....clip has been posted before, but Lorne is worthy of a double post.

I think Lorne truly loved this "girl". I read a lot of his chat-log, and listened to a phone chat he had with her. He even admits to writing love poems for her. So here he was.....this regular, hard-working, normal, average, everyday, happy and friendly, single man....who had a MySpace profile, went into chats, may have posted on message boards too......was no different then anyone else....and had hopes and dreams like the rest of us, (including being a country music singer) all happy on his birthday, meeting the girl he loved, thinking he was gonna screw her, and his perverted ass was gonna get nice, sexy, fresh 13-year old female flesh, and honestly thought this was gonna be the greatest day of his life.....

......But instead discovers he was set-up by Perverted Justice, gets his heart broken into a billion pieces by who he thought was his "girlfriend", gets punk'd by Chris Hanson, humiliated before the ENTIRE COUNTRY, is exposed on national television and local television in Kentucky as a sex predator, and is humiliated over and over again daily whenever people watch the above clip on the Internet....and to end it all, he is arrested by the cops, convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison and twenty years as a registered sex offender. (He still has five LONG years in prison before he's even up for parole.) His whole life....changed forever. His birthday will never be the same again. His entire family humiliated, having to carry around what he did.

Oh, and every single of his personal and private chats he had with the decoy are available to the public to read, and some of the conversations are shown on TV, and one of his calls that he thought would be priviate can be heard by everyone too!

.....And it honestly makes me :lol: This is one of the greatest cases of pwnage......EVER......to go from feeling like you're on top of the world, straight down to the bottom.....how hilarious can you get?

I love his reaction too when the camera guys come out.....it sums it all up perfectly. And he knew he had hit rock bottom. You can actually see the red on his face. He was soooooo embarrassed! I can't blame him for crying like a bitch! His whole life was over and he knew it! He's world-wide infamous now! Hope you had a happy 37th birthday Lorne!! Hahahahahaha. :) I'm so evil.

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