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Xero
08-10-2009, 07:12 PM
Suuuup?

As always: http://www.justin.tv/juan_tpww/old

Londoner
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Gonna be watching just for the sake of it, my actual interest in raw is pretty much gone really.

Savio
08-10-2009, 07:42 PM
SPOILERS!

Triple Naitch
08-10-2009, 07:42 PM
You mean RAW IS TRIPLE NAITCH'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

Juan
08-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Fixed

Xero
08-10-2009, 07:53 PM
I approve this title change.

Triple Naitch
08-10-2009, 07:53 PM
Much better. Love you, Emily. :love:

Indifferent Clox
08-10-2009, 07:56 PM
Sgt. Slaughter v. Chris Jericho

BANK ON IT

Savio
08-10-2009, 08:01 PM
There is going to be a raw show on Dec 30th in Syracuse, Where can i find if they are going to tape and televise this or not.....it is not on the live events schedule.

Juan
08-10-2009, 08:02 PM
Well, a quick glance at the calender shows that December 30th is a Wednesday, so unless the taping schedule changes between now and then. no it wont be televised.

Juan
08-10-2009, 08:02 PM
Much better. Love you, Emily. :love:

:heart:

Savio
08-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Well, a quick glance at the calender shows that December 30th is a Wednesday, so unless the taping schedule changes between now and then. no it wont be televised.
yeah I was thinking that too but it was not put on the live event schedule plus the dome is pretty huge. Here is just the basket ball side of it.

http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/carrierdome.jpg

So I am wondering if they are going to pre tape it

Pardeep 619
08-10-2009, 08:47 PM
You mean RAW IS PARDEEP 619'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

Pardeep 619
08-10-2009, 08:49 PM
As a birthday gift to myself, I will not watch Raw this week as it will no doubt piss me off.

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 08:52 PM
Surely, this is the week when Triple H announces the return of Marty Jannetty and introduces his Motorhead themed Rockers stable, right?

Right? :y:

erickman
08-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Sgt. Slaughter v. Chris Jericho

BANK ON IT

i want to see him take on cobra like he did in the 80's

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:01 PM
According to my calendar, Orton is due to win this week.

Then again, Sarge may have other plans.

AJHayes
08-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Happy Birthday Triple Naitch

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Well can't get any much lower then end of last week's show. Lets hope for a good one tonight fellas.

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:01 PM
And good evening, everybody.

Indifferent Clox
08-10-2009, 09:02 PM
NO one is talking about that you fucking cunt, all they are talking about his how you three fuckers ahve been in the main event. OMG i hate wwe

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:03 PM
I love randy but he moves like Cleavland speaks

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:04 PM
same old shit same old shit same old shit

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:04 PM
For a Red Sox fan, I'm quite surprised Cena hasn't lost it yet....

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:05 PM
He's about to lose it

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:05 PM
oh noez, cena's angry :(

Indifferent Clox
08-10-2009, 09:05 PM
I am tired of this shit

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Tho tbf cena got my thoughts on orton spot on

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Cena Mad. Cena Smash.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Cena Mad. Cena Smash.

:lol:

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Yankees sweeping the Sox sure pissed off Cena

JERICHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:07 PM
JERICHO IN CANADA

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:07 PM
This theme mix up is terrible

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Im like the hell the music is stuck lol

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
Nice mix theme.

And lookin' sharp!

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
Wow that is the worst theme mash up ever

redwings3431
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
canadian fans...pro-heel...awesome

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
Yankees sweeping the Sox sure pissed off Cena

JERICHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:rofl:

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
agreed, hanso

Y2J chants :D

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j
y2j

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
"HOW ON EARTH WILL RANDY ORTON AND JOHN CENA CO-EXIST WHEN THEY TAKE ON THE UNIFIED TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS TONIGHT????"

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
crap insult cena

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
Oh yeah, Jericho's backyard tonight...........sort of.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
My god this is the most anyone has been over in 3 years

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:10 PM
canadian fans...pro-heel...awesome
No, in Canada they're faces because America are the heels. :shifty:

Indifferent Clox
08-10-2009, 09:10 PM
ok it got a million times better whne the unified champions came out

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:11 PM
I hope the Hart Dynasty shows up at some point, it'd be interesting to hear the reaction

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:12 PM
some interesting matches

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:12 PM
Cena better go down CLEAN tonight.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Is HBk gonna get cheered?

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Texas is a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig state. Think he'll find him?

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Sometimes I like Canada

redwings3431
08-10-2009, 09:14 PM
I know Jzilla...still awesome tho...cant wait till the five knuckle shuffle reaction

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:16 PM
For a Red Sox fan, I'm quite surprised Cena hasn't lost it yet....

didn't cena root for the rays or attend a pre-series rally for them last season?

And how did Triple H lose his life-long partner if he called him last week ?

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
uughh, same old same old...promo..diva's match...

AJHayes
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
I would love to see the Hart Dynasty go over DX clean in Canada

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
Like Kelly is hot, but she isnt even the hottest Diva, why do they pretend she is?

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
kelly kelly....aww piss break

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
I would fuck alicia six ways from sunday

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
I would love to see the Hart Dynasty go over DX clean in Canada

Not ever gonna happen, but would be interesting to see.

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
Holy crap Beth Phoenix is back!

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
I think JR hinted the Harts taped for Superstars before the show.

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
Thanks god HBK aint around

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
My money is on Gail Kim just for being the local.

But Beth is overdue for a win.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
let the screaming begin

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
Like Kelly is hot, but she isnt even the hottest Diva, why do they pretend she is?

She's blondest. Always gets top billing.

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
teddy long is a ref again?

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
I will give Alicia this, She has improved more in 6 weeks than kelly has in 2 years.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
teddy long is a ref again?

i thought that for a minute :lol:

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:20 PM
Would be hilarious if Kelly was trying to break up a pin and botched that too.

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:20 PM
Thats actually kinda awesome.

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:20 PM
God I love beth!

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:21 PM
lol "you pushed me right on my butt"

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:21 PM
the commentators have been strangely quiet for a minute or two till then

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:21 PM
The hell is going on in this match?

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
Gail is the shit

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
The hell is going on in this match?

fuck knows

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
Gails finisher is fucking sweet

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
there's your first micheal cole 'ooof' of the night

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
pretty decent women's match with the spots.

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:23 PM
Gail got a lame finisher.

Good that she won.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:23 PM
here he is...dead crowd tho

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Oh come on, why is he wearing that shit

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
THE REAL AMERICAN HERO IN CANADA!

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
I remember thinking Sgt. Slaughter was the worst human in existence when I was 9. Now, I'm stoked to see him.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
hahahaha boo's

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
LOL Boos

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
I remember thinking Sgt. Slaughter was the worst human in existence when I was 9. Now, I'm stoked to see him.

:lol:

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
lol at guy salute and taking a swig o beer

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
OK, Lance Storm is backstage, get him out here.

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
LOL HEEL SLAUGHTER!

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
:lol::D:D

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
Is Slaughter turning Heel HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love it!!

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
Isn't the super secret Cobra underwater HQ somewhere in the Arctic Circle?

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
LOL. Yeup makes sense that St. Slaughter would be up to something

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:26 PM
OMG SGT is a HEEL

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:26 PM
LOL, This is awesome.

Innovator
08-10-2009, 09:26 PM
asshole chant! about time

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:27 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:27 PM
Slaughter is a pretty awesome heel. He was the shit in 91

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Okey dokey then.

Moving along......

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
That was pretty great.

Corndad
08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
He didn't make a single match but god that was great. lol

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
lol that was awesome

Supreme Olajuwon
08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
lol his fake stache was coming off

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:29 PM
I would fuck alicia six ways from sunday She might be too tired after after I get to her saturday

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:29 PM
Certainly beats the shit out of the crap from last week.

rob11
08-10-2009, 09:29 PM
Asshole chant was refreshing.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:30 PM
He didn't make a single match but god that was great. lol

The important matches were already made in the first promo.

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:32 PM
X-pac!

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:32 PM
He could still get Chyna

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:32 PM
CHECK JUAN TWO!

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Check 1 2.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:33 PM
boooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:34 PM
born to be bourne

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:34 PM
Best 2/3? Let's hope that's the case.

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:35 PM
Vince: find a partner yet?

HHH: Rick wont pick up the phone. :-\

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:35 PM
that was a cool counter

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:35 PM
Bourne should be wwe champ one day

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:37 PM
He could be talking about Jim "the Anvil" as well he was in DX for about 2 minutes

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:37 PM
a clean heel win!

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:37 PM
Jack Swagger ftw

Gertner
08-10-2009, 09:37 PM
Awesome divas match. Can't believe I said that. Alicia Fox looked pretty damn good.

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:38 PM
2-TIME 2-TIME 2-TIME.............

Whoops. One too many.

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:39 PM
The Ballin Superstar vs Sylvester

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:39 PM
MVP v swagger should be at summerfest

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:40 PM
not bloody raw

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:40 PM
I love the potential of this feud, but will they get time to actually do it?

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:40 PM
MVP need sto bring back the cheerleaders

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:41 PM
HBK MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:41 PM
Wait....is it 1992?

Heel Sgt Slaughter, PG TV, The Search for a wrestler....

If leslie nielson shows up, I am out.

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:43 PM
It'd be cool if Cena actually played himself up as a Heel tonight due to their location it worked for the sarge.

Jordan
08-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Wait....is it 1992?

Heel Sgt Slaughter, PG TV, The Search for a wrestler....

If leslie nielson shows up, I am out.

I was thinking the same thing :lol:

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:44 PM
OH GOD...

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:45 PM
LOL triple h actually walks around with a shirt baring his logo in public

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:45 PM
LOL!

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:45 PM
WHAT?

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:45 PM
super kick her

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:46 PM
I think HBK should have staid with JBL since he's having money issues again.

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:46 PM
lol

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Wow.

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:47 PM
And I thought Jannetty had it bad.

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:47 PM
:lol:

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:47 PM
THANK GOD


I take it back this is worse

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:48 PM
HBK is booked horribly for 2 years

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:48 PM
im turning the channel over

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:49 PM
LMAO Jillian and Slaughter

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:49 PM
Five years ago, Slaughter and Jillian would have made out just then.

And it would have been HOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

Zen v.W.o.
08-10-2009, 09:49 PM
and you guys still watch this shit? I mean, im only watching this one time cuz it's in Calgary, but yeah....wrestling is pretty awful now.

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:50 PM
How long until Jillian loses her job?

Emperor Smeat
08-10-2009, 09:50 PM
looks like The Monkinator going to be a rising star in the WWE since Vince liked the idea.

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:50 PM
Michael Myers should host RAW.

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:52 PM
and you guys still watch this shit? I mean, im only watching this one time cuz it's in Calgary, but yeah....wrestling is pretty awful now.

Raw is pretty awful, but ECW, Superstars, Smackdown and ROH on HDNet are pretty great at the moment.

Jannettyzilla
08-10-2009, 09:54 PM
OK, I hate Miz, but this is funny.

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:54 PM
who is CK?

KIRA
08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Russos back on the booking comitte

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
WTF

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Thats the Miz

Juan
08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
THE MIZZZ!!!

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
THE MIZ IS BACK!

Savio
08-10-2009, 09:56 PM
Eugene has been released

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:56 PM
well that was odd to see eugene back but lol@the miz

AJHayes
08-10-2009, 09:58 PM
THE MIZ IS AWESOME!!!!

Hanso Amore
08-10-2009, 09:58 PM
Miz gets a titantron for the CK lol

Londoner
08-10-2009, 09:59 PM
My internets going stupidly slow.

ClockShot
08-10-2009, 10:03 PM
My internets going stupidly slow.

Same here. But I think it's the site. Taking way too much time to refresh now.

Savio
08-10-2009, 10:30 PM
Kick her!

Savio
08-10-2009, 10:31 PM
lol

Supreme Olajuwon
08-10-2009, 10:37 PM
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Indifferent Clox
08-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Best wwe moment ever. Shawn Michaels superkicks a whiny little bitch.

JUST LIKE HE DID IN 1997!!!!

oh canadian heel heat

Juan
08-10-2009, 11:08 PM
"HOW ON EARTH WILL RANDY ORTON AND JOHN CENA CO-EXIST WHEN THEY TAKE ON THE UNIFIED TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS TONIGHT????"

Supreme Olajuwon
08-10-2009, 11:13 PM
worst Raw Thread in the history of TPWW

Triple Naitch
08-10-2009, 11:14 PM
Wow, what a shitty Raw. Horrible birthday present, WWE. Slaughter may have been the worst host yet. Even ZZ Top was more relevant. Hopefully Freddie Prinze will be better. I have always enjoyed Summer Catch.

DAMN iNATOR
08-11-2009, 01:05 AM
Wow, all this and not ONE mention on RAW by Jericho or anyone else that he has now been in the WWE for 10 years to the day, as of Sunday technically now, August 9th, 1999 - August 9th, 2009.

muffalufagus
08-11-2009, 02:20 AM
so it seems once again i didn't miss much by not tuning in?

Droford
08-11-2009, 02:27 AM
The HHH/HBK stuff was funny.

The Diva match was actually decent and a surprise ending (I figured Beth Phoenix as the only credible heel would have to win given Mickie is the Champ).

DAMN iNATOR
08-11-2009, 06:40 AM
The HHH/HBK stuff was funny.

The Diva match was actually decent and a surprise ending (I figured Beth Phoenix as the only credible heel would have to win given Mickie is the Champ).


A.) Yes the DX bit was pretty humorous for the most parts, barring the moments where the angry little girl would throw a hissy fit...I almost wouldn't've blamed Shawn had he really kicked her (which he didn't if anyone who watched here last night is too stupid to figure that out).

B.) I had it 50/50 between Kim and Beth Phoenix...I'm sure it won't be too long before Gail is wearing the Diva's strap around her waist even if she has to go through Mickie to obtain it.

Dorkchop
08-11-2009, 08:46 AM
The womens' match was great. We can thank Gail Kim and Beth Phoenix for that. I really hope WWE can push and feature the talented divas regularly. They won't.

Raw wasn't terrible. Having a former wrestler guest host helped. I loved Slaughter turning heel. Awesome.

Londoner
08-11-2009, 09:15 AM
The raw thread would've been bigger if tpww didn't fuck up i think. As for raw, i liked the show till the last half hour, thought slaughter was good.

Jannettyzilla
08-11-2009, 09:23 AM
The Mizark/Hornswoggle pairing has me officially worried for the big man's push. :(

Supreme Olajuwon
08-11-2009, 09:28 AM
It shows they don't have anything for him to do at the moment. Henry might be difficult to find a feud for because the only Raw heel that would be on his level right now would be Big Show who's busy with other stuff at the moment.

Londoner
08-11-2009, 09:47 AM
Could make henry find an actual tag team partner(maybe mvp?)to face show/jericho at some point. That took me 2 seconds to think of and i bet the wwe haven't thought of it yet.

#1-norm-fan
08-11-2009, 01:32 PM
Those DX segments were great. That is all.

Vastardikai
08-11-2009, 01:42 PM
1. remember when they wanted to put a guy in a hood, they also made him wear a full body suit? Reason being that maybe they could recognize something other than their face. In part I saw it coming a mile away, but when the Flames Jersey came off, I knew it was the Miz.

2. DX segments were kind of lame. (implied) Child Abuse isn't funny. And it's really a shame that it seems like Legacy was catching fire, because now they're getting buried.

3. You know, it's Canada. We know it's Canada. Just treat it like Canada and don't force them to cheer someone they don't want to cheer. And, it didn't even fucking work. Side note, I quit watching after the promo. I stopped giving a shit.

4. Swagger looks like a beast.

5. Jawbreaker finish for Kim looked nice.

6. I don't give a shit about Orton, but at least make him look like a threat. Countering a chokeslam into an RKO wouldn't have weakened Show that much.

7. The whole G.I. Joe thing would have been better than what we ended up getting.

#1-norm-fan
08-11-2009, 02:26 PM
2. DX segments were kind of lame. (implied) Child Abuse isn't funny. And it's really a shame that it seems like Legacy was catching fire, because now they're getting buried.

I thought it was funny cause it was just so unexpected and fucked up.

Also, that little bitch deserved it... just sayin'...

Londoner
08-11-2009, 02:40 PM
Quite liked the DX segments...in a strange sorta way.

RatedGSuperstar
08-11-2009, 08:57 PM
The sad part is that Impact is starting to be consistently better than Raw. I didn't bother trying to catch this week's episode, and just read the scathing reviews online. Really disappointing compared to where the show was at the start of the year. At least SmackDown is consistently good, ECW's trying to build new stars, and Superstars consistently has good matches every week.

Pardeep 619
08-12-2009, 10:42 AM
So I checked on wwe.com and it mentioned that Cena beat Jericho via disqualification because Orton interfered and beat up Jericho. How on earth can somebody lose a match due to interference if they're they person getting beaten up??

Londoner
08-12-2009, 12:45 PM
So I checked on wwe.com and it mentioned that Cena beat Jericho via disqualification because Orton interfered and beat up Jericho. How on earth can somebody lose a match due to interference if they're they person getting beaten up??

Orton didn't even beat anyone up at first he just entered the ring and a DQ was called. And to answer your question: The rules must be scripted in such a way so cena always wins. Raw is going down the shitter, faster than ever before.

CSL
08-12-2009, 02:04 PM
Just watched those DX segments. Michaels and Hunter's performances were fine but that was some of the worst written shit ever. It was like something out of WCW in 1993.

Londoner
08-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Yeah it was kinda weird, guess were just used to shit written on raw we don't realize how bad it is.

Pardeep 619
08-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Orton didn't even beat anyone up at first he just entered the ring and a DQ was called. And to answer your question: The rules must be scripted in such a way so cena always wins. Raw is going down the shitter, faster than ever before.

That I agree with. Glad I didn't stay up to watch this shite for once.

#1-norm-fan
08-12-2009, 04:36 PM
So I checked on wwe.com and it mentioned that Cena beat Jericho via disqualification because Orton interfered and beat up Jericho. How on earth can somebody lose a match due to interference if they're they person getting beaten up??

lol. They should get a bunch of guys like Jericho together to start complaining about favoritism being shown to Cena by the higher ups.