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Supreme Olajuwon

11-09-2009, 09:39 AM

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Vader

VS

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/g/greatmuta/13.jpg
The Great Muta

3 days.

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Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. 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Nark Order

11-09-2009, 09:42 AM

Ah damn. Another huge match-up here. This is pretty hard here but I spent more time as a child watching and hating Vader. He was the ultimate bully and the guy you wanted the good guy to finally beat.

Muta was wonderful from what I saw of him but only got to see alot of his WCW work and nothing more. Vader for me.

IrishBulldozer

11-09-2009, 09:43 AM

I should not vote here. My Muta memory is sketchy at best & I don't like to vote unless I really know the issues ;)

Ermaximus

11-09-2009, 09:43 AM

It's time, it's time, it's Vader Time!!!

The Jayman

11-09-2009, 10:47 AM

It's STILL Vader Time!!

IrishBulldozer

11-09-2009, 10:48 AM

Broken records are good for skeet shooting.

Phenomenal 1

11-09-2009, 11:01 AM

Vader had a mask....so did Muta even though it was paint....but Vader didn't have green and red mist....so Muta gets the win here.

Phenomenal 1

11-09-2009, 11:11 AM

i'm hoping AJ Hayes joines me here and votes for Muta cause I think he's a Muta fan

Lock Jaw

11-09-2009, 12:12 PM

What's a Muta with you?

Nothing, because I'm voting for Vader.

Testicle

11-09-2009, 12:53 PM

Mutoh,

One of the biggest stars in the history of Japan and also the most innovative, most unique performer in all of wrestling.

Wrestling for over 25 years, in main events for 20, has created numerous successful gimicks and has carried 2 seperate companies over the last two decades. Now owns, books and performs for AJPW which he saved from going out of business.

I love Vader, but he is going up against one of the best workers of all time.

Testicle

11-09-2009, 12:55 PM

Oh, and he held six world titles at the same time.

http://thewrestlingdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Mutoh-TC-IWGP-Champ.jpg

Rammsteinmad

11-09-2009, 01:54 PM

Vader. Haven't seen enough of Muta.

Waylander

11-09-2009, 02:03 PM

Muta gets my vote.

XCaliber

11-09-2009, 02:13 PM

There was no doubt Muta was great but I thought Vader was slightly better.

redoneja

11-09-2009, 03:09 PM

Fabien Barthez

11-09-2009, 04:39 PM

Deffinately Muta. One of the all time greats. In my top 10 of all time, easy.

Xero

11-09-2009, 04:42 PM

Vader. Haven't seen enough of Muta.

What Would Kevin Do?

11-09-2009, 06:27 PM

Nicky Fives

11-09-2009, 06:32 PM

huge Vader mark.... but I love Muta.... I hate to say it, but It's still Vader Time!

mike adamle

11-09-2009, 06:50 PM

Uh oh, a non-WWE wrestler. I'm shocked he's getting so many votes honestly.

redoneja

11-09-2009, 06:58 PM

Uh oh, a non-WWE wrestler. I'm shocked he's getting so many votes honestly.

Me too. Like I said before, he's on the level of an HBK, Bret Hart, or
Chris Jericho. The only thing against him in this is the shortsightedness, both intentional and unintentional, of many of the posters on here against anything that isn't WWE.

Juan

11-09-2009, 07:00 PM

Love Vader, but you can't deny the greatness of Muta.

Phenomenal 1

11-09-2009, 07:44 PM

Love Vader, but you can't deny the greatness of Muta.

Well said Juan...for that you get....juan es muy muy bueno!!!

Nark Order

11-09-2009, 09:34 PM

Vader has had some mad tough competition. Hopefully it will still be Vader time after this round.

CWK

11-09-2009, 11:49 PM

The Great Muta, easily.

CWK

11-09-2009, 11:51 PM

The matches Great Muta had with Ric Flair and Sting are priceless.

Nark Order

11-10-2009, 12:20 AM

lol, I love how everyone always throws a snide "easily" or "come on" in there.

Emperor Smeat

11-10-2009, 02:43 AM

To be honest, I have seen very few Muta matches but grew up watching Vader during his time as a wrestler in WWF/WCW. All I know about Muta is that he's reaposnible for bloody matches rated on a Muta scale and his trademark facepaint apperance.

Voted for Vader but mostly because I grew up watching him in the WWF and how agile he was for a big guy.

The Mackem

11-10-2009, 03:02 AM

Are we voting for the Muta gimmick or the man behind the gimmick?

Supreme Olajuwon

11-10-2009, 07:21 AM

Whatever you want, chieftain.

The Mackem

11-10-2009, 07:25 AM

OK then, Muta. Wouldn't mind seeing some Japanese contests even if I know they won't get in the hall of fame.

Xero

11-10-2009, 11:47 AM

It's ALWAYS Vader time.

Nark Order

11-10-2009, 12:38 PM

Can't wait until I get my Vader shirt. Frothing here.

Dante69

11-10-2009, 04:03 PM

The Great Muta

Inadequacy

11-10-2009, 05:45 PM

I voted Muta because I was all like "hey why not"

But it looks like I tied the vote huzzah.

Theo Dious

11-10-2009, 07:09 PM

I voted Muta because I was all like "hey why not"

But it looks like I tied the vote huzzah.

*sits on your face and farts*

Nark Order

11-10-2009, 07:22 PM

Phenomenal 1

11-10-2009, 09:47 PM

its soo close

Emperor Smeat

11-11-2009, 01:48 AM

Have a feeling this is going to end in a shenanigan vote like last round when it was close to end and tied up.

Swiss Ultimate

11-11-2009, 02:15 AM

Oh, and he held six world titles at the same time.

http://thewrestlingdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Mutoh-TC-IWGP-Champ.jpg

The only real accomplishment in the sport of professional wrestling is entertaining the fans and living off the money you made doing it.

edit: I vote Muta, he was a better wrestler if not a more well-known one. This was still a close one though.

El Fangel

11-11-2009, 02:18 AM

I just voted for Vader, merely for the slip.

Its about lasting memories people.

Hanso Amore

11-11-2009, 01:28 PM

Vader is arguably the best big man ever

All the way

CSL

11-11-2009, 01:49 PM

Vader is arguably the best big man ever

All the way

Maybe but Muta is one of the best ever, regardless of size

USAUSA1

11-11-2009, 03:31 PM

Vader literally made a huge Impact everywhere he went. Almost won the WWE title at multiple times. He was more consistent as well.

Inadequacy

11-11-2009, 03:38 PM

*sits on your face and farts*

classic!

The Gold Standard

11-11-2009, 03:47 PM

I was always a fan of Vadar

Juan

11-11-2009, 04:21 PM

I just voted for Vader, merely for the slip.

Its about lasting memories people.

Vader literally made a huge Impact everywhere he went. Almost won the WWE title at multiple times. He was more consistent as well.

These two comments reek of stupidity.

Supreme Olajuwon

11-11-2009, 07:19 PM

Muta, without a doubt. One of the best in the world, ever. If we were all as familiar with Japanese wrestling as we are American wrestling, I have no doubt that we would consider Keiji Mutoh to be on the level we think of Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, etc.
This is pretty close to my feelings on the matter. This matchup basically comes down to talent vs. exposure. Muta should be a 5th round opponent without question but not enough people here have seen him. As good as Vader was, he's nowhere close to Keiji Mutoh in terms of ability, impact, or legacy.

Godfather4Life

11-11-2009, 07:19 PM

why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!

CSL

11-11-2009, 07:27 PM

why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!

Mutoh has wrestled equally as much under his real name, if not more

Supreme Olajuwon

11-11-2009, 07:29 PM

thus the lack of exposure becomes apparent once more

mike adamle

11-11-2009, 07:35 PM

why do people havta break out a real name and say ooh Keiji Mutoh..It's Great Muta...Not Leon White vs. Keiji Mutoh...oh and its VADER TIME!!

What a jackass.

Godfather4Life

11-11-2009, 09:22 PM

well I'm sorry i watch AMERICAN wrestling not overseas stuff.

Phenomenal 1

11-11-2009, 09:29 PM

well I'm sorry i watch AMERICAN wrestling not overseas stuff.

obviously you never saw Muta in WCW and the NWA....Muta has competed on an international level over the 35 plus years that he's been in the wrestling business. And I hate to burst your bubble but alot of the guys that you call "American" wrestlers have honed their skills in the internation scene and on a worldwide level.

Hulk Hogan was trained by Hiro Matsuda from Japan....guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Owen Hart, Jim Neihardt, Brian Pillman, Perry Saturn, Sting, Ric Flair, Shane Douglas, and many many others of the American wrestlers earned their stripes wrestling in Korea, China, Japan, the UK and all over.... so to say you watch "American" wrestling to me is an assanine statement.

By the way...its just my opinion....take it or leave it....just saying don't limit your spectrum of what you watch or think that you are watching is just American based.

Nark Order

11-11-2009, 11:41 PM

Vader is an international wrestling superstar in his own right.

mike adamle

11-12-2009, 12:39 AM

Vader is an international wrestling superstar in his own right.

No where near on the level of Mutoh internationally though.

Phenomenal 1

11-12-2009, 12:40 AM

No where near on the level of Mutoh internationally though.

agreed

Phenomenal 1

11-12-2009, 12:50 AM

Muta has great influence in wrestling....proof positive:

Kiyoshi from TNA:

http://shoptna.com/images/products/detail/Kiyoshicopy.jpg

and

The Great Muta:

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/g/greatmuta/37.jpg

Supreme Olajuwon

11-12-2009, 01:02 AM

The Muta Scale:

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Phenomenal 1

11-12-2009, 01:25 AM

that was a good match.

Emperor Smeat

11-12-2009, 01:46 AM

Has The Great Muta ever faced Vader in Japan since Vader did spend some time there in his career ?

Juan

11-12-2009, 01:52 AM

Godfather4Life

11-12-2009, 07:01 PM

obviously you never saw Muta in WCW and the NWA....Muta has competed on an international level over the 35 plus years that he's been in the wrestling business. And I hate to burst your bubble but alot of the guys that you call "American" wrestlers have honed their skills in the internation scene and on a worldwide level.

Hulk Hogan was trained by Hiro Matsuda from Japan....guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Owen Hart, Jim Neihardt, Brian Pillman, Perry Saturn, Sting, Ric Flair, Shane Douglas, and many many others of the American wrestlers earned their stripes wrestling in Korea, China, Japan, the UK and all over.... so to say you watch "American" wrestling to me is an assanine statement.

By the way...its just my opinion....take it or leave it....just saying don't limit your spectrum of what you watch or think that you are watching is just American based.

I know he wrestled in WCW watched him with ICP Vampiro and such. So if you compare American careers then I say Vader had more success.

mike adamle

11-12-2009, 07:13 PM

I know he wrestled in WCW watched him with ICP Vampiro and such. So if you compare American careers then I say Vader had more success.

That is a good point, he did have a better American career. I just wish people would look outside the box.

USAUSA1

11-12-2009, 08:07 PM

Muta never had matches good as Vader/Sting series,Vader/Misawa,Vader/Cactus series. He also had an awesome match with HBK and Ric Flair. Main event Summerslam,Starrcade and other ppvs. Retired Antonio Inoki. Won the WCW heavyweight title,IWGP heavyweight title,UWA heavyweight title when it meant something and ALL JAPAN triple crown.

He had thousands of great matches that it's too hard to list.

Vader made it to the top of the mountain in America and Japan. Muta just did it in Japan.

Juan

11-12-2009, 08:12 PM

If I was a betting man, I'd say you haven't seen many Muta matches.

redoneja

11-12-2009, 08:20 PM

USAUSA1

11-12-2009, 08:22 PM

I've a ton of Muta matches, not recently. Muta never been known for his wrestling skills. It was his gimmick that got him over. People never talk about great Muta matches. Not saying the IWC opinion is the holy grail but you just never hear about them. In Muta prime, people talk about junior heavyweights, ALL Japan heavyweights,Chono and Vader.

mike adamle

11-12-2009, 08:25 PM

Juan

11-12-2009, 08:26 PM

lol

thedamndest

11-12-2009, 08:28 PM

He does have a point. We haven't had any Muta polls recently.

mike adamle

11-12-2009, 08:30 PM

People never talk about great Muta matches.

June 8th, 2001 Keiji Mutoh vs. Genichiro Tenyru- Wrestling Observer match of the year.

Nark Order

11-12-2009, 08:53 PM

Alright, let's stop with this ignorant Muta bashing. USAUSA1, I voted for Vader but want to punch you in the face right now.

Nark Order

11-12-2009, 10:16 PM

IT'S STILL VADER TIME!

Godfather4Life

11-14-2009, 09:28 PM

That is a good point, he did have a better American career. I just wish people would look outside the box.

yeah maybe if i had seen some Muta in Japan i may have swayed my vote...Muta was good to watch in WCW but to me Vader was one of a kind.

DLVH84

11-16-2009, 05:55 PM

Muta, hands down!!!

KIRA

11-18-2009, 11:05 AM

I was lucky enough to see enough of muta to come to love him but at the same time Vader is just a badass there are no words....hmm I have to go with my main man muta no disrespect to the baby bull though.