Better Wrestler #109

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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"Mr. Monday Night" Rob Van Dam


VS


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"The King of Harts" Owen Hart



3 days.

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>Shawn Michaels</option></select>

[DAMN iNATOR]

I know I'll probably take a bunch of shit for voting how I did, but I went with "The Whole F'N Show", Rob...Van...Dam!

[Nark Order]

But Owen Hart won 2 slammy awards!

[Tazz Dan]

True, but RVD held two world titles.

[Lock Jaw]

Owen Hart with ease. Really just outclassed RVD in every way.

[Juan]

Anyone who votes in Better Wrestler and not in Better Tag Team from now on, will be banned for a week.

[Juan]

Gotta respect Owen Hart and his skills, but he was never able to connect with a crowd like RVD did.

[Tazz Dan]

Anyone who votes in Better Wrestler and not in Better Tag Team from now on, will be banned for a week.

How bout you suck my dick. :)

[Testicle]

RVD.

[Stealth-Icon]

RVD over the Nugget

[The Jayman]

Gotta respect Owen Hart and his skills, but he was never able to connect with a crowd like RVD did.

I 100% agree

[Ermaximus]

I don't know. Had Owen not passed away the way he did, I think he could have done a lot more in his career. I always enjoyed watching him wrestle especially against Bret. I gotta give this one to Owen.

[4 knuckles up]

Oh come the fuck on, RVD by a mile.

[IRodC]

HE IS NOT A NUGGET!

[Nicky Fives]

I can't vote against Owen.... RVD is great, but Owen is the best

[Ermaximus]

I wonder who OwenBrown will vote for. :shifty:

[TheHaunted]

HE IS NOT A NUGGET!

I was going to say that!
Yeah, gotta go with Owen. Outstanding wrestler.

[Rammsteinmad]

Rob Van Dam. I expect this to be a tough match that could easily go either way.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I love RVD but I've never seen a Owen Hart match I didn't like. RVD could be a selfish performer and just reel off a lot of his spots, Pin someone and leave. He shouldn't have beaten Foley really.

Once again: I love RVD but Owen all the way

[XCaliber]

Owen was a better all around talent so that's why he gets my vote.

[Juan]

I get the feeling that Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't dead.

[XCaliber]

I get the feeling that Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't dead.

You might be right but i'd been a huge mark of his since the early 90s.

[jskinnyg]

Owen had some pretty badass matches... And his "Nugget" shit went WAY over with the crowd... I would say that is connecting with a crowd.... This is a tough choice...

[Verbose Minch]

I get the feeling that Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't dead.

He would've gotten even more, given that he was younger and a lot more talented than RVD was.

[thedamndest]

Both are great talents. Owen was better on the mic and had a better ground game. RVD is the better flyer (though Owen was great at that as well). I'm not a big vote for the dead guy person, but in this instance I do think Owen Hart is overall the Better Wrestler.

[Seth82]

Both are great talents. Owen was better on the mic and had a better ground game. RVD is the better flyer (though Owen was great at that as well). I'm not a big vote for the dead guy person, but in this instance I do think Owen Hart is overall the Better Wrestler.

pretty much summed up my thoughts on Owen

[Theo Dious]

Gotta respect Owen Hart and his skills, but he was never able to connect with a crowd like RVD did.

Meh, it's not hard for a pothead to connect with other potheads.

[Juan]

lol ridiculous.

[Testicle]

I get the feeling that Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't dead.

[Testicle]

RVD did so much more.

[Testicle]

Watch an old ECW tape and then tell me Owen is better. You can't.

[Nark Order]

I'm not a "Hart" guy but Owen really could've been the guy IMO.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There's something to be said for the fact that outside of the obvious Hart connections, the WWF could never figure out what to do with Owen. All he did was bounce around from tag partner to tag partner with an occasional singles feud thrown in. Compare that to RVD who strictly through his in ring performance managed to steal the spotlight from Steve Austin.

But as for the claim that if I were to watch an ECW tape I couldn't say Owen was better, I'm not entirely sure that's true. I was a hardcore RVD mark during his ECW days but I don't think I could say anything he did was better than Owen's matches with Bret at WM 10 and SummerSlam 94.

Gotta think about this one.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tough choice since Owen Hart could have easily been a top star similar to Bret Hart or maybe similar to Triple H since he was meant to have "The Game" gimmick initially. The fact he was the only Hart to not leave WWF right after Montreal might have helped him in the long run with maybe a world title opportunity or a couple reigns. I did like him when he was The Black Hart after winning the King of the Ring since he pulled it off so well.

In the end, going with RVD mostly because RVD had those 10 years that Owen wasn't able to have to develop into a great wrestler in both athletic ability and crowd pleasing. RVD was the only initial Invasion guy to be cheered by the crowd and should have been pushed much better than he was initially.

[CWK]

Owen barely edges RVD here in my opinion, Owen's match with Bret at mania 10 was just too good to not vote Owen in this situation

[Ermaximus]

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Owen the guy who broke Austin's neck?

[CWK]

Owen broke Austin's neck unintentionally, pretty much all injuries are unintentional, nut in defense of that, RVD is the king of working stiff in the ring. An example of this would be Survivor Series 2002 when RVD jumped off of one of the pods in the elimination chamber and landed knee first on Triple H's throat botching his five star frog splash.

[CWK]

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Owen the guy who broke Austin's neck?

Don't worry, Owen is square with the house again after WWE got him back back showing total carelessness of him by putting him in a piece of shit harness an hanging him 70+ feet in the air and letting him fall. Not saying WWE intended to kill him, but if you saw photos of the harness he wore and the rigging he was hooked up to, you would gasp.

[DarKCentaur]

It's been said many times already, but...

I get the feeling that Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't dead.

[Lock Jaw]

I get the feeling Owen wouldn't have so many votes if he weren't better than RVD.

[Juan]

Yeah I'm sure Owen got zero "dead guy" votes.

[St. Jimmy]

One of these men was a world champion, One was not. Just sayin'.

[CWK]

One of these men was a world champion, One was not. Just sayin'.

Actually, Owen was Mid Heavywieght World Champion in Stu Hart's Calgary Stampede Wrestling which produced Bret Hart, Pillman, Dynamite Kid, and even Chris Benoit among many others. He also was a World Champion in the USWA, and an IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion in Japan. So both men have been World Champions in their day.

[thedamndest]

Also, Owen could be a face or a heel. RVD could never be a heel.

[Triple Naitch]

Yeah, but RVD reached such a height of popularity that even if he were to turn heel he would still get the loudest pop in the house.

[Destor]

Anyone who votes in Better Wrestler and not in Better Tag Team from now on, will be banned for a week.

lol, jelous :p

[Destor]

this cwk fellow is bat shit insane, yes?

[Juan]

Correct

[Indifferent Clox]

rvd better win this.

[Juan]

He flipped out when Mick Foley beat Vader a few rounds ago.

[CWK]

this cwk fellow is bat shit insane, yes?

LOL there is nothing insane about that statement about Owen's title victories. The USWA and Stampede Wrestling were huge back in their hey-days, and Owen's success there really helped him to get to WWE main events later on. Not that his brother working for WWE didn't help either, but Owen was mega talented before he ever stepped into WWE.

[Ermaximus]

Yeah, but RVD reached such a height of popularity that even if he were to turn heel he would still get the loudest pop in the house.

You bring up a valid point Triple Naitch. RVD was more over with the crowds than most people and when he made a special appearance in the RR this year, everyone in the restaurant I was watching at went ape shit. They were so loud that people were actually complaining from the OTHER SIDE of the restaurant. RVD will always be one of the most over guys in the business, and that's something not many can claim to do.

[The Mackem]

I just think Owen Hart had more strings to his bow and as such was more diverse.

[Godfather4Life]

Owen is not better IMO he may be gettin sympathy votes.

[Lock Jaw]

If RVD wins I riot.

[Rollerskategirl]

Rob.... Van.... Dam!

[Skippord]

lol, jelous :p
that's not how you spell jealous :'(

I would've voted for RVD :'(

[Xero]

lol holy shit a tie.

[Jeritron]

I had to go with RVD because he managed to "break the glass ceiling", and despite smark complaints he pretty much had his true potential realized. Some will complain about how he was used, but the guy was always one of the most featured and over guys on the roster, and won every belt in sight. He ended his career in the main event, and won the WWE title. Obviously some think he was held down and was going to be Hogan or something, but he had a damn good run.

Also, there are a handful of matches RVD's been a part of that I hold way over anything Owen Hart did, as great of a wrestler he was.
To me Owen Hart was a great wrestler, and might have had the ability to be huge, but he never was. He was also kind of inconsistent.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I forgot to vote. :o

God dammit