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Rob 09-07-2008 01:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2275188)
What round??

Could someone give me a breakdown of the fight??

Also, did Henderson win??
Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!

McLegend 09-07-2008 01:22 AM
That was beautiful.

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:23 AM
Damn..

Did he break his ribs or summat??

Vastardikai 09-07-2008 01:49 AM
Kris P, from the sound of it, he got the liver.

also, holy fuck what a punch!

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Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 02:17 AM
sick

RP 09-07-2008 07:34 AM
Rashad Evans is easily one of my favorite fighters all of a sudden.

Dear Dana White,

Please retire that sad sack of old washed up shit now please. Thanks

RP 09-07-2008 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275197)
Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!
Liddell is a counter puncher. Ofcourse Evans was running. When Liddell has to chase someone and punch, he gets rocked like that. It was the same thing in the Rampage fight. Chasing is not his game. Evans outworked him strat wise and knocked him the fuck out.

RP 09-07-2008 07:41 AM
I'm shocked Liddell wasnt ready for this fight. With all the intense training he must have did.

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Fabien Barthez 09-07-2008 07:43 AM
Agreed. Once Chuck was forced to pressure and make the first move, he was taking more punches than he was landing. And then it was the same thing that got Chucks head smashed into Joe Rogans lap.

RP 09-07-2008 07:43 AM
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ROFL

Still love this guy. I dont care how mental he is.

Rob 09-07-2008 08:11 AM
I need to find the clip on Rampage dancing on the streets of Manchester.

RP 09-07-2008 08:23 AM
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Crimson 09-07-2008 01:38 PM
Didn't Forrest and Evans fight already?

HeartBreakMan2k 09-07-2008 01:40 PM
I can't find a video of Franklin finishing Matt.

Destor 09-07-2008 04:17 PM
Anyone know where I can the fights steaming online?

Doomsday Jezus 09-07-2008 04:41 PM
Go to www.mmashare.com and theres a forum with all the fights vids streaming in it.

Reavant 09-07-2008 08:23 PM
Its confirmed on mmajunkie that evans will now fight griffin

Rob 09-07-2008 08:33 PM
That fight is NO BUYS

Destor 09-08-2008 01:04 AM
seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275812)
That fight is NO BUYS
Are you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.

Impact! 09-08-2008 01:24 AM
Hope to God Griffen wins...Also is it just me or does Rashad remind anyone else of Foreman (House)

Kris P Lettus 09-08-2008 02:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2276515)
seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

Are you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.
MMAturf.net

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275812)
That fight is NO BUYS
Well, it's the most legitimate option for the title, and between them they have beaten Shogun, Rampage, Liddell, and in Evans case, he never really lost to Tito.

Are there 4 bigger names at LHW (besides Silva.... when he is there) you can beat to make it to the marquee fight? And if not, who the fuck have you got to destroy?

Impact! 09-08-2008 07:23 AM
Forrest V Wanderlei WAR

Impact! 09-08-2008 07:24 AM
Hell I'd rather see Forrest V Stephan Bonnar again than Forrest V Rashad...

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:57 AM
Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.

Reavant 09-08-2008 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276783)
Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.
what does that matter? you realize brock is fighting randy for the title and hes only had 3 pro fights and only won 2 of them.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 11:39 AM
Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?

Reavant 09-08-2008 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276884)
Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?

Ummmm and lets see who could Randy fight that would be legitimate in the Heavyweight division???? who has beaten two contenders and was gauranteed a title shot?

Fabricio Werdum? forget about him?

And herring is one of the biggest players?! WHAT!? Hes won only 2 of his last 5 fights. He beat Brad Imes and barely beat Kongo via split decision. He fucking lost to Jake Obrien! He was in no way a "big player"

So Wanderlei hasnt beaten a contender? did he not just KO Jardine in his last fight? Or did you not consider Jardine a contender? Jardine didnt knock out griffin or beat Liddel.... Oh wait he did both of those things!

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 12:32 PM
Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.


Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.

You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.


So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.

Any more?

Rob 09-08-2008 02:50 PM
At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.
aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.
Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.

So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.
Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2276966)
At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.
Yea and Rampage probably would have had he not gone off the deep end.

Tito's style of fighting promotes longevity in the fight game. Chucks style only works when ur fast and hes slowing down a lot. If this last fight with evans took place with a chuck from a couple of years ago Id say evans would have been sleeping.

Rob 09-08-2008 03:25 PM
If it took place in London like it was meant to, it would have been Evans sleeping. Unlucky for Chuck it didn't.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:32 PM
haha... Im sure that hamstring tear had a lot to do with his performance too, he looked a little flat on his feet.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 2276974)
aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.


Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.


Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.
Keeping it short....

The difference in training and motivation in Herring pre and post Jake O'Brien are very well documented. He stepped up after that fight to be considered a contender.

Jardine and Greg Jackson openly admitted they knew Houston Alexander is a fast starting, hard hitting one dimentional fighter. Jardine just lost. The article is on Sherdog somewhere.

Not winning many fights because you haven't had many is much different from not winning many fights because you keep losing them. I don't doubt Wand, being a legend with a solid record only needs another win to put him in line, but he hasn't got it yet.

Arlovski being a top 10 Heavyweight means that that loss mattered and matters. It was his toughest opponent to date, and Werdum lost. Just because a guy leaves the promotion, doesn't mean his record vanishes.

You can talk about Vera beating Mir, and fair enough. It is his best win. But we all know How lucky Frank is to even be in the position he is now in. He sucked pretty bad the 2 fights previous.

Fact is, Rob is right about the LHW's, Wand needs another win.

As for the Heavy's, Randy's biggest conflict is about money, they have to put him in the biggest draws to make the right money for him to fight. I think Lesnar is quite lucky getting this fight, but he wouldn't have got it had he not been nearly as dominating against Herring. Werdum I don't think would represent the top guy in the division. Lesnar could.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:16 PM
Oh, and this cunt negged me for saying things that were true and dismissing his poor arguments against. Fuck you Reav, you stupid dick. :foc:

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 2276974)


Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter.
Call me a dumbass? You stupid motherfucker.

Crimson 09-08-2008 08:49 PM
Sign Undertaker to the heavyweights to balance it out.

Innovator 09-08-2008 11:16 PM
Evan Tanner is dead at age 37, he was found in the desert

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=7059&zoneid=2

Kris P Lettus 09-09-2008 12:03 AM
wow

Horrible news..

:(

rip


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