Justice League - The Snyder Cut
 

<iframe width="750" height="422" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/z6512XKKNkU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Warning: straight up spoils the death of a minor character

It certainly looks waaaaaaay more interesting than the wb mandates Whedon cut

Kinda excited. Hope it is "better".

Ezra Miller is a they/them'er

Burn the witch!

<iframe width="1620" height="1080" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vM-Bja2Gy04" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just waiting for this to come out and be worse than the theatrical version, but praised as better because it is "in" to hate Joss Whedon right now

I am kind of into this, but I don’t think it will be good.

Looks good

I think Man of Steel is an underrated gem in the superhero genre and people will look back on it one day really well.

Man Of Steel is the best Superman film outside of the Donner films.
I actually like it more.

I prefer Superman I, but I agree Man of Steel is good, and underrated.

How much different can this movie possibly be?

Far from a gem. Not very good.

Nor is it AS bad as people say, but it is pretty "not good". I'd place only Superman III and IV below it from the live action movies....

The Snyder Cut should be an umbrella term for superheroes that kill indiscriminately in their films.
He turns them all into mad bastards.

Still, when it was just Superman and the killing was purely collateral damage I liked it. In retrospect Superman could be called Homelander.

It's not really Superman as you'd want him, but it's what you'd get if that sort of thing really happened.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">NOOOOOOOOOOO <a href="https://t.co/A0sk9Frdrx">pic.twitter.com/A0sk9Frdrx</a></p>&mdash; hannah woodhead (@thethirdhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/thethirdhan/status/1360979582816559105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

i saw it in the theater and fell asleep during it

My friend did that during "Doom" when he was high as a kite and when he woke up during the credits he didn't realize he had been fast asleep so he started ranting and raving about how the film was only twenty minutes long.

Same guy once drank a bottle of poppers and had to go to hospital because his lips went blue and he couldn't breathe.

Man of Steel is a gem compared to the turd BVS ended up being. As a stand alone film it's whatever. I didn't think it was a very good portrayal of the character despite having lots of interesting ideas.

That trailer was pretty meh honestly. It's Zack Snyder. How he's continued to get work despite mostly sucking is beyond me.

I'm sure this'll be different in tone but I can't see how much better it could possibly be given who's making it.

Man of Steel is indeed a gem compared to BvS but that really isn't saying much.

As a stand-alone film I'd rather watch Brandon Routh deadbeat-dad stalking his ex Superman

No thanks. The Routh superman was boring as fuck. I remember my brother took me to see it to help give me an escape as my dog was dying at the time the movie came out. I walked outta the theater thinking that I'd rather watch my dog die than sit thru that nonsense again.

Man of Steel was just frustrating because it had all the right ingredients for a Superman movie, but Snyder sucks and can't figure out what ideas he wants to flesh out, and instead runs with all of them and nothing makes sense.

Snyder's Superman at no point makes it clear he even wants to be Superman and his own fucking parents make it a point to say that he doesn't have to be. He's just Superman for the hell of it.

No one has mentioned "Superman Returns" and I just wanted to say that movie was very silly.

Two people directly above you just did

Ahh didn't know that guy directed it or whatever.

saw the brandon routh superman at a drive in. had sex instead of watching it

the actor who played him. bryan singer directed

Between him and Spacey somebody got molested in a hot tub during pre-production, that much is certain.

Kumar most likely

Snyder going to be releasing a black and white version of his Justice League called "The Justice Is Gray Edition"

Really just a natural progression for him to get rid of colour completely.

If this movie turns out totally different in the Snyder Cut, do these actors get paid more money? If not, than this should be something they should start negotiating into there contracts because this movie is basically gonna get a completely new release.

fuck me dead what is this man's obsession with turning big dumb bright superheroes into the bleakest most dour shit imaginable

He very much desires to be Chris Nolan but doesn't realize or accept he's actually just Michael Bay, and that if he mutes colors and tones and everything is dire and dour, it means he's making a really serious big boy movie about serious dark edgy progressive themes and stuff.

Zack Snyder's DC movies are what I imagine a teenager who loved the Dark Knight Trilogy would write if tasked or inspired to write a character driven Superman movie with moral conflict and a Clark Kent with inner struggle and existential doubt.

80% of the movie was reshot after Snyder left. It's pretty much going to be an entirely different movie

They already shot the footage.
There is no extra work involved for the cast.

They absolutely shot new stuff. Lego was never in the original cut that Snyder never finished. But he realized the Batman and Joker in his universe never shared the screen, so he wanted to create a moment for them to have together.

Cavill, Affleck, Gadot and Rayb Fisher all came back for reshoots, plus however many scenes Leto gets plugged into.

More should be made of that then, most people are under the assumption this is being cobbled together from existing, unused footage.
It sounds like an even bigger waste of time/money now.

I wonder what Ray Fisher thinks of Ezra Miller for choking that girl... He didn't like Joss Whedon shouting at 'em, but he remains silent on queers that choke them.

Hmmmm...

It's been pretty well stated at this point. If people don't know they're getting something new, they're not whip HBO max was targeting in the first place.

Also Whedon reshot a lot of the original cut. So there's quite a bit that never saw the light of day. Or scenes that remained in the movie but were rewritten and changed.

You wear that pocket watch properly or I'll take it off you

What else do you wanna take off me big boy:naughty:

The earmuffs

Apparently the first houror 2 "leaked" for viewers trying to watch Tom and Jerry. Of course nothing seems to have been screen grabbed or spoiled.

tom and jerry suddenly got super boring

Destor bomb (put you're probably right).

Damn thing needs to come out already. I'm sure it'll draw huge and maybe even cause HBO execs to think about shelling out cash for a sequel, as this is supposedly ending on a cliff hanger. We shall see. But regardless of how good it is I'm sure HBO will be happy the decision to finish the film was made.

I'm sure it will draw medium and get largely panned

It'll draw more than medium I think. There's been a lot of buzz around it, and outside of Wonder Woman, it is arguably the most anticipated film on their platform. But yeah it'll prob be panned.

snyder has never made a movie tha wasnt...why start now?

Feel like it is only "anticipated" by Snyder fanboys.... then there are uber nerds like me who don't really think it will be very good but will naturally rush to watch it.... then you have the general public who most received Justice League poorly and Snyder movies even more poorly and are probably just indifferent to the whole thing.

Zach Snyder of "Sucker Punch" directs Ezra Miller beating women for three hours, and three hours is a lot of time for The Flash.

If the movie was good WB wouldn’t have had Joss Whedon reshoot 80% of the movie.

That’s all you need to know.

Now with that said I’m still excited about this.

Studio mandated extensive reshoots probably kill more films than they save.

300?

Well they released the Whedon cut and that was god awful so I'm not sure I completely trust their corporate judgment.

That got mixed/average reviews. Dawn of the dead is prob his best film, with Watchmen and 300 being right behind it. 1 of this is a remake and 2 are graphic novels written out for him line for line. Damn near anything he makes that's original content sucks. Except Man of Steel, which wasn't very good but wasn't flat out awful like BVS, Sucker Punch and that owl movie.

As far WB goes, maybe they should've just let Snyder finish Justice League and can him afterwards. The Whedon version was terribly boring. But I'm not convinced Snyder's version was gonna be better. Probably prettier to look at with maybe a memorable scene or two. But likely an incoherent mess like most of his movies.

Whedon version wasn't great, but I enjoyed it. Feel like the Snyder cut will probably remove everything that made me enjoy it, though.

So how bad did the Snyder version have to be if they went with a mediocre Joss Whedon version?

didn't Snyder leave due to a family issue? or are you just saying it was such shit, they basically took him off the project.... only to give him the power to make a recut, do re-reshoots and release it

His daughter passed away.

Snyder's daughter unfortunately took her life. He chose to keep working. I 100% believe they ousted him and let him walk away publicly. Whedon had already been brought in and they just said fuck it.

Joss wasnt why justice league was ass

He did all the funny bits.

Zach Snyder contributed Superman assaulting Wonder Woman.

Funny because going back to re watch none of the bits were that funny or they were oddly placed. Like Batman making a joke after getting owned by a temporarily evil Superman. Or the whole Flash landing on Wonder Woman.

Honestly unless they rewrote and reshot the entire film, it was never going to be more than it was. A lot of Snyder's original scenes were there but changed up via dialogue and prob context.

At the very least, we will get to revisit the Knightmare world, which was one of the highlights in BVS. Trench coat Batman is pretty cool.

Critic embargo gets lifted tomorrow morning. Fan reaction has been positive, tho that's no surprise. We'll see if the movie can match Man of Steel's critical reception.

Ars Technica approves of the cut

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/...ll-the-better/

Sitting at 75% on Rotten Tomatoes with 99 reviews as of now.

just read a review. its headline: relentlessly boring and endlessly long

75%b of critics on rotten tomatoes would recommend with over 100 reviews submitted. Metacritic has it at 53%, which is average, but not as many reviews submitted as RT yet.

Seems the consensus is that it's much more realized and better productthan the theatrical cut and while it's not great or excellent it's at least as good or better than Man of Steel. Given BVS being so bad,b that's a helluva rebound even tho it takes 4 hours to get there. Color me excited.

53% is pretty terrible

No it's not. Not based on Metacritic's rating scale. It's considered averaged or mixed. There's also only 33 reviews submitted. Add opposed to over 100 on Rotten Tomatoes.

Nonetheless, it's receiving more praise than the previous 2 films and is being rated on par with Man of Steelon Metacritic. It's rotten tomatoes score is far and away better than any of those 3.

F any of those review/critic websites..... hate them and how people act like they mean anything at all.....

They obviously do

Yeah... In that case hate the people who enable those sites...

(Don't hate you)

Movie studios enable those sights. They let critics in and use their positive words to run hype for their films. Nothing wrong with critics.

its terrible. I use metacritc a ton. anything below a 70% is rarely worth watching.nevermind a low 50.

Other 53s? George of the Jungle. The sex and the city film. rise of the skywalker. Aladdin (2019). Amazing Spider-Man 2 (film so bad it tanked the franchise.) Eight legged freaks. charlies angels (2000.) Anger Management (possibly the worst sandler vehicle.) I could keep going.

also man of steel was awful. legit fell asleep at the theater.

metacritic is useful. an aggregate score is usually a strong indicator of quality. Any single review not so much. Good rule of thumb is pass if its under 70% and watch for free if its under 80%

#IStandwithLockJaw

You feel that way, sure. By Metacritic's own rating scale, it's considered mixed or average. I too did not care much for Man of Steel. Bunch of good ideas poorly executed.

https://www4.f2movies.to/movie/zack-...e-league-67922

Links

its just verbiage they use. if a critic gives a movie a 5 its not "pretty decent you should check it out." but thats exactly how you're taking it.5 out of 10 is middling, forgettable and skippable. a 5 is more a movie that wasnt good enough to like and wasnt bad enough to hate. and that sounds exactly like boredom to me.

Damn.... runtime of 4 hours 2 minutes.... I'm sure all of it is necessary though!!

I'm going to take a run at it sometime soon.
Four hours though...

I'll give it a miss; if I have to watch something for 4 hours, I'd rather watch Lawrence of Arabia (which I have been meaning to watch for several years now).

About to bite the bullet and put it on. Just past 8PM here, hope I make it to the end.

Right off the start "this film is presented in 4:3 to accurately portray Zack Snyder's creative vision"

Why the f is his creative vision to use SD aspect ratio?

I’m 3 hours in. The first 10-15 minutes were an instant improvement. I’ll post more thoughts when I’m done but so to this it’s ridiculously better.

Guess Ill give this a go too. Has to be better than the original.

The beginning is indeed insanely better. Bout 30 mins in so far and I am digging it.

I watched something about this a couple weeks ago. From my understanding whenever they use the now standard widescreen format there is a loss of some of the actual film at the top and bottom of the screen. In the old 4:3 aspect ratio the loss of footage is to the left and right of the screen. Snyder felt like the stuff cut out on the top and bottom by the 16:9 ratio was more important than what would be lost to the left and right so he chose the 4:3 ratio to preserve what he thought was more important to the scenes.

What I wanna know is why we are still dealing with aspect ratios that end up cutting something out of the film one way or another. How do we not film and have TVs in a ratio where there is no loss of footage or having to warp the image to see everything?

Just finished. As I previously stated, this version is miles better. The core aspect of what’s going on is the same but the amount of unseen footage is insane. Everything gets a chance to breath and build. The set pieces are far more tense and the characters have more heft in what they do and say. This is easily the best DC film Snyder has made and to me honest, even tho the ending felt a little shoehorned, I want more. Let him finish his vision. HBO Mac is the perfect platform to give him an outlet.

One thing I will say is, despite being heat and shoulders a better movie than the theatrical cut, no fucking way on God’s green earth would and should this version have gotten a theatrical release. That’s really the only detriment. Snyder pulled off a miracle in completing an actual good movie, but no way would he have pulled it off with a 2.5 hour run time. Honestly he might not have pulled it off in 3 unless he cut a ton of scenes.

But I digress. Good for him for getting to finish his movie.

Just finished it, had the opposite reaction. Enjoyed the theatrical cut miles more than this one. Well, actually the "ideal cut" would probably be a better cross between the two.

It was a long time ago so I don't remember the first 10-15 minutes, but I remember thinking the start was really slogging along, except for the attack on the Amazons which was great but might be past the first 10-15? I don't know.

In general there were a bunch of good/improved action sequences.... but as I said a lot of it was just such a slog to get through. Like there would be good things here and there and good concepts here and there but everything was just so drawn out and the opposite of a nice concise movie that they kind of lose their luster by the time you get to the good parts.

They added a lot of stuff about Cyborg and Flash got more of a "serious spotlight" too.... but felt like all the "joy" which I guess was added by Whedon was taken out of the movie. Even scenes that I loved before like Superman beating up all of the Justice League were suddenly "ugh" maybe because of the music or editing or I don't know but something was different.

Also I really liked the "theme" of the theatrical cut where it was about being a hero etc... Diana had a whole arc about learning to be a leader etc... villain in the theatrical was flimsy as F, but the story about the heroes coming together was great....

In this version the villain is streets ahead, but everything else is just dreary and drags on, and I am back to not liking Cavill's Superman after finally loving him in the theatrical version. (I will give points for bringing back the Man of Steel music though... The Christopher Reeves tribute in the theatrical was good but the theme from Man of Steel was one of the only good parts)

So, yeah.... overall I'd say the ideal version would be some sort of frankenstein combination of the two that will never happen. Until that time, I would gladly watch the theatrical version again, but will probably not put myself through this one again.

All that being said, naturally I would watch a hypothetical never-going-to-happen part 2 to this movie.

Feel like this could have gone with the Avengers treatment and been split into 2 parts. I don't know where they would split it though as there wasn't really a good stopping point in the middle. Dunno. Regardless I thought it was way better than the original cut.

I can't quite explain it but the theatrical cut was boring to me and this one, despite being longer and slower, didn't bore me at all. It's weird. Everything was just more fleshed out. All the characters get time to shine and everything is explained better. The villain isn't a joke now and you get to see more of Darkseid and learn more of what's motivating all of this.

And I love the Knightmare scene in the epilogue. The conversation there was oddly haunting. Watched that bit a couple extra times. Really makes me want that sequel that will never happen.

I seriously wonder if Snyder edited it to be released as a "series" what with the "Parts" and all... it was rumoured early on that it would be released in episodes. So maybe he edited it that way, with lots of extraneous fluff and stuff, instead of making any semblance of an attempt to make a tight and concise movie.

i watched it. took 2 sittings.


all the levity removed and added slow mo. could had a reasonable run time without all the slow mo. pointless is how i would describe a solid 180 min of this exercise in egoism.

lol Whenever it would go slo-mo and do the new Amazon theme 'OOOHhHhhhAAAAAooooHHHAAAAA" or whatever, I would cringe

also i love the audacity of crediting and editor. the fuck did he do?

I need to watch the Wonder Woman vs terrorists scene again from the theatrical one, but pretty sure that one didn't show them brutally getting murdered by Wonder Woman in front of a bunch of schoolchildren and then also cut away before showing that she exploded half of the building herself to stop one dude. That's some real "The Boys" type superheroing.

i mean we're dealing with a cannon that had batman shooting people. its totally on par

for someone who spends as much time digging through source material as synder it never fails to amaze just how little he understands these characters on a fundamental level

I'm 90 minutes in.

Snyder is great at one thing and that is using fight scenes as storyline. If he had just done a whole bunch of expository fight scenes and topped it off with a climactic battle this film would be tits.

As Destor said, Snyder's problem is not getting the characters beyond face value.
He knows who they are and what they can do, but he doesn't know how they would behave most of the time.