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The Condor 11-16-2012 04:43 PM

AL MVP Shenanigans
 
The Trout v. Miggy debate seems to be as fierce as the Presidential election, with traditionalists vs. saber metric proponents at each others throats and not lending an ear to the other side. They both think they are superior, just like fatass Jonah Hill vs. the crusty scouts in "Moneyball." How do you guys feel about all this?

Shisen Kopf 11-16-2012 04:59 PM

Cabrera won the triple crown, what's to argue? If he hadn't had won the triple crown Trout would have been MVP. People need to shut up and agree with me.

screech 11-16-2012 05:28 PM

Any other year, Trout probably wins.

But come on: Triple Crown.

Skippord 11-16-2012 05:30 PM

Trout is better and should have been MVP, I care way too much about this

The Condor 11-16-2012 05:32 PM

Both men were deserving I feel but the amount of vitriol and hostility from people on both sides towards another really caught my attention. It's not like Raul Mondesi swooped in and stole the MVP.

Skippord 11-16-2012 05:36 PM

would be pretty awesome if everyone voted for a player who has been retired for like 10 years

or Vladimir Guerrerro

screech 11-16-2012 05:39 PM

Vladimir Guerrero deserves the MVP award every year.

The Condor 11-16-2012 05:39 PM

Montreal Vlad over Anaheim Vlad

screech 11-16-2012 05:40 PM

Love that Raul Mondesi was the example.

screech 11-16-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Edgar (Post 4033190)
Montreal Vlad over Anaheim Vlad

Any Vlad over everyone.

The Condor 11-16-2012 05:41 PM

I was waffling between him and the venerable Ryan Klesko.

screech 11-16-2012 05:42 PM

You made the right choice.

Skippord 11-16-2012 05:46 PM

Vlad won the World Series this year

Emperor Smeat 11-16-2012 09:51 PM

Triple Crown is always going to be seen as more valuable than a Rookie of the Year award regardless how great of a rookie season someone had.

Trout had 3 real problems with the voters not wanting a loosing team having the MVP like in 2003, Cabrera had better head-to-head stats in most categories, and Trout missing the first month along with his decline in September.

TNA&USA#1 11-16-2012 11:43 PM

They were both deserving. Somebody had to lose.

weather vane 11-22-2012 12:35 AM

If you win the Triple Crown you should get MVP ten times out of ten.

That this is even a debate is retarded.

The Condor 11-22-2012 11:07 AM

Well it would be if half of MLB fans didn't have a collective shit fit that their new golden boy (Trout) got "robbed." Their was a lot of crap being thrown around online and in the sports talk world about this and I didn't get it either, but I guess the Triple Crown is considered a fluke and non-impoortant to Sabermetricians these days.

Nicky Fives 11-23-2012 03:24 PM

Most Valuable Player to me always means that if you take said player out of the team, which team is hurt the most by it..... without Cabrera, Detroit still had Verlander & Fielder, whereas the Angels had pretty much nobody.... that's why I feel Trout should have won, depite Cabrera having the better season..... if Cabrera had been playing on the Marlins, Blue Jays, Red Sox or another shitty team, he would easily won it IMO.....

Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:39 PM

Methinks Nicky Fives needs to take a look at the Angels roster again

Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:40 PM

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Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:41 PM

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Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:42 PM

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NOBODY

Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:42 PM

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WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY?

Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:43 PM

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NEVER SEEN THIS GUY BEFORE

Supreme Olajuwon 11-23-2012 03:44 PM

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THIS GUY IS SUCH A NOBODY EVEN THE BREWERS DIDNT WANT HIM

RP 11-24-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 4039173)

Andre Dawson?

RP 11-24-2012 01:57 PM

Is that you Hawk?

YOUR Hero 11-25-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Edgar (Post 4038275)
Well it would be if half of MLB fans didn't have a collective shit fit that their new golden boy (Trout) got "robbed." Their was a lot of crap being thrown around online and in the sports talk world about this and I didn't get it either, but I guess the Triple Crown is considered a fluke and non-impoortant to Sabermetricians these days.

people need to remember that WAR is a projection of a player vs a fictional replacement. pretty wishy-washy imo
triple crown. actually happened

weather vane 11-29-2012 05:40 PM

It's most valuable player in the league, the best player. Not most valuable player to his team or if he was taken off who would be worse.

Dumb.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-11-2012 05:13 PM

False. Team contribution is a key part of the Most Valuable player award voting.

weather vane 12-11-2012 09:51 PM

There really is no hard rule as to what is criteria. They give you a guideline, but voters are always going to have their own direction.

Stats and performance is what matters and I think that shows in the voting, as it should.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-12-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 4039175)
http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpre...x190.jpg?w=320

THIS GUY IS SUCH A NOBODY EVEN THE BREWERS DIDNT WANT HIM

$147 million worth of NOBODY

Keith 01-09-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4056407)
False. Team contribution is a key part of the Most Valuable player award voting.

True.


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