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Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:06 PM

MMA Thread
 
Looking at my Gucci, it's about that time..

To start off the discussion, with Silva backing out of the Liddell fight, and with the Rashad/Tito draw, what is going to happen in the light heavyweight title hunt??

Here's what I've been thinking:

-If Shogun comes to UFC, let him fight Liddell instead of that faggot Wanderlei..

-Let Rashad and Tito fight again..

-Then, let the winner of those two matches fight for the number one contender spot..

I know Rampage is fighting Dan Henderson, so the winner of that fight can go on to fight someone like Bonnar, Vitor Belfor, Forrest Griffen, etc..

Thoughts??

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:08 PM

I think you're just going to end up with Chuck/Tito again, which is a good money match really. And I don't know if either could stop Rampage, though believe it or not I think Tito could take him. His style lends better to a fight against Jackson then Chucks.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:13 PM

But what happens to Rashad?? I mean, wasn't that fight (Ortiz/Evans) for a contender spot??

weather vane 07-14-2007 03:14 PM

They have to have Ortiz and Evans again. I don't know wtf is going on with Silva or Shogun.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:14 PM

I do think Chuck deserves a rematch even though it's 2-0 Rampage.. I mean, Chuck DOMINATED the 205lbs division in UFC for like 3 years..

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:15 PM

I think Tito would beat Rashad in the rematch. I honestly think Tito underestimated Rashad. I know it's not the Tito of all, but I think the draw may have been a bit of a reality check.

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:16 PM

Check def deserves another shot, but for his sake he has to have another match before that. You CANNOT go into a rematch against a guy who has beat you 2 times straight wtihout getting a win on someone before that to rebuild yourself.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:16 PM

Tito couldn't beat his own meat, let alone Rashad..

(Jenna gave him the penis rot)

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:17 PM

I think he could beat Rashad. And yeah, I know Jenna gave him the rot :( He needs to distance himself from that. I mean wtf, she came to big bear with him for the Rashad fight?!?!

weather vane 07-14-2007 03:19 PM

I am not sure about Tito anymore. He is one of my favourites but he is really looking to be on a downward spiral.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:19 PM

I am just talking shit because I've never like Tito..

:y:

McLegend 07-14-2007 03:20 PM

Rashad should kill Tito.

Have you seen some of Tito's shots? They look horrible.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 03:21 PM

I never saw the PPV.. My bro still has in on his DVR, I just haven't made it over there to watch it yet..

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:22 PM

I was always a Captain America fan but say what you will, Tito of old was great. I see glimmers of it in him now, he's just got to refocus.

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 03:22 PM

PPPPLLLUS like I said, I think Tito's style has the best chance against Rampage baring Henderson.

Rob 07-14-2007 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legend
Rashad should kill Tito.

Have you seen some of Tito's shots? They look horrible.

Oh please! Did you even watch their fight. Ortiz owned him for 13 minutes of a 15 minute fight. And he wasn't close to being finished before the clock.

McLegend 07-14-2007 06:13 PM

Yes I watched the fight, and I now think Tito is done has being a top echlon fighter.

Tito's wrestling looks terrible, and I have no faith that Tito can beat Rashad again. I argee that he did "win" the fight, but those last 2 mintues were more dominat then the previous 13 for Tito. Rashad is gonna have so much confidence for the 2nd fight. He's gonna win.

Tito hasn't looked good in a fight since he has come back to the UFC.

Rob 07-14-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legend
Yes I watched the fight, and I now think Tito is done has being a top echlon fighter.

Tito's wrestling looks terrible, and I have no faith that Tito can beat Rashad again. I argee that he did "win" the fight, but those last 2 mintues were more dominat then the previous 13 for Tito. Rashad is gonna have so much confidence for the 2nd fight. He's gonna win.

Tito hasn't looked good in a fight since he has come back to the UFC.

Right now, I wouldn't call Ortiz a top 5 light heavyweight (am I sucking his cock now people?).

His wrestling is fine. Because he doesn't use it all the time, it doesn't make it worse than it is. It's obviously better than Rashad's and it wasn't meant to be at all going into their fight. I'll bet anyone $100 that Tito beats Rashad in the second fight INSIDE the distance or by winning every round on every score card.

As for not looking good. I disagree. He hasn't looked great but that's another story.

Vs. Griffin - Total domination until his gassed which is put down to a torn ACL going into the fight. Nobody can argue that Ortiz is a cardio machine normally.

Vs. Shamrock II - looked dominate against a past his prime Shamrock.

Vs. Shamrock III - looked even more dominate and a decisive finish.

Vs. Liddell - Looked fine until his KO. Arguably an early stoppage. Personally, I thought 10 more seconds wouldn't have hurt here but you can't really complain. Definate improvement from his first fight with Chuck.

Vs. Evans - Not at his best but looked dominate again. Evans was lucky to escape with a draw due to a dodgy referee call (everyone grabs the fence and NOBODY ever gets punished) and the time running out in the second round when Evans was seconds from being out from the gullitine.

Ortiz still needs to beat Evans and beat a top 5 fighter though.

McLegend 07-14-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob
Right now, I wouldn't call Ortiz a top 5 light heavyweight (am I sucking his cock now people?).

His wrestling is fine. Because he doesn't use it all the time, it doesn't make it worse than it is. It's obviously better than Rashad's and it wasn't meant to be at all going into their fight. I'll bet anyone $100 that Tito beats Rashad in the second fight INSIDE the distance or by winning every round on every score card.

As for not looking good. I disagree. He hasn't looked great but that's another story.

Vs. Griffin - Total domination until his gassed which is put down to a torn ACL going into the fight. Nobody can argue that Ortiz is a cardio machine normally.

Vs. Shamrock II - looked dominate against a past his prime Shamrock.

Vs. Shamrock III - looked even more dominate and a decisive finish.

Vs. Liddell - Looked fine until his KO. Arguably an early stoppage. Personally, I thought 10 more seconds wouldn't have hurt here but you can't really complain. Definate improvement from his first fight with Chuck.

Vs. Evans - Not at his best but looked dominate again. Evans was lucky to escape with a draw due to a dodgy referee call (everyone grabs the fence and NOBODY ever gets punished) and the time running out in the second round when Evans was seconds from being out from the gullitine.

Ortiz still needs to beat Evans and beat a top 5 fighter though.

For the record I didn't count the Shamrock fights, because Shamrock passed his prime didn't stand a chance.

I still think Tito lost that fight against Forrest, but I will cut him some slack since he had that injury.

But see against Chuck I could argue that the fight should have been stopped in the first round, because I actually think that was way closer then in the 3rd round where it was stopped.

Then moving on when he would shoot on Chuck he kept telegraphing them, and basically like stood no chance of taking Chuck down. Which is what he did against Rashad aside from the first takedown where he did that high kick out of no where.

I'll give Tito credit though for developing his stand up, but he has no knock out power what so ever on his feet. I think he he as to diver more of his attention back to his wrestling.

Basically though I think the evolution of MMA has passed Tito Ortiz by.

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legend
Then moving on when he would shoot on Chuck he kept telegraphing them, and basically like stood no chance of taking Chuck down.

To be fair, Chuck has one of the best sprawls in the business. Very few people CAN take Chuck down effectively.

McLegend 07-14-2007 07:44 PM

Yeah I know, but Tito is supposed to be an excellent wrestler.

And I'm not knocking Tito for not taking Chuck down more. I'm knocking just for the way is wrestling looked. He did all these shots from the outside and gave himself even less of a chance of taking Chuck down.

I'm knocking him for technique.

Rob 07-14-2007 07:47 PM

Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.

McLegend 07-14-2007 07:55 PM

I hope Tito proves me wrong and wins his next 7 fights against top level guys, becuase he is so important to the money making aspect of MMA. The man knows how to promote himself and a fight.

He's a great personality.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 08:01 PM

Nah, he is replacable..

Rampage has more charisma in his pinky finger than Tito has in his whole body..

Rob 07-14-2007 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
Nah, he is replacable..

Rampage has more charisma in his pinky finger than Tito has in his whole body..

Tito is replacable. But there is nobody out there to replace him right now. Rampage is another type of charisma. Hasn't got the charisma to build a feud and have people love or hate him. Every Ortiz fight is an event now. Rampage won't get that unless he tears through the 205lbs division. And he won't.

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 08:09 PM

YES HE WILL

:foc:

:(

Apocolyptik1 07-14-2007 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
YES HE WILL

:foc:

:(

I like Rampage but I have to disagree. Rampage is a brawler, openly admitted one too. For me, I believe technique will win a fight 7/10 times, because of the decision factor. Of course thats just me, but some of these upsets were because that particular fighter doing the upsetting was just where he needed to be technically.

I believe Dan is going to win the next fight, and if he does, watch out 205lb division. Especially since 205 is light heavy in US, and 205 was middleweight in pride. He will be at his best shape. Everyone underestimates him, especially his standup. His striking has improved alot. Oh yea, and that olympic class wrestling, cant forget about that.

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:26 PM

Speaking of Lesnar earlier, who/when is his next fight?

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:33 PM

I talked to Hero and he stickied this for us.. My idea is, we can make a new one like every 6 monthes depending on how big it gets..

:y:

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:34 PM

Yeah and I agree about Rampage but I am a Quinton Jackson mark..

What can I say??

:$

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:40 PM

UFC 74

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</td> <td> <table class="listing" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <th>Date Time:</th> <td> 08/25/2007 7pm PT / 10pm ET </td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap="nowrap">Event Type:</th> <td>PPV Live</td> </tr> <tr> <th>Location:</th> <td>Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td width="390">

http://www.ufc.com/Images/pixel.gif </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <input name="EventID" value="760" type="hidden"> <table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Randy Couture Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Randy Couture</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>220 (100 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>15-8-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Gabriel Gonzaga </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 1" (185 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>242 (110 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>8-1-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="7" bgcolor="silver">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Josh Koscheck Vs. Georges St-Pierre </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Josh Koscheck</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>170 (77 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>11-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Georges St-Pierre </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>170 (77 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>13-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="7" bgcolor="silver">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Kurt Pellegrino Vs. Joe Stevenson </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Kurt Pellegrino</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 8" (173 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>155 (70 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>16-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Joe Stevenson </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 7" (170 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>155 (70 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>32-7-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="7" bgcolor="silver">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Patrick Cote Vs. Kendall Grove </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Patrick Cote</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 11" (180 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>185 (84 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>10-4-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Kendall Grove </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 6" (198 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>185 (84 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>10-3-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td></tr></tbody></table>

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:40 PM

That you're a Quinton Jackson mark :D

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:41 PM

Gabe
GSP
Stevenson
Cote

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:42 PM

Really looking forward to Cote vs Grove..

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeartBreakKid2k
Gabe
GSP
Stevenson
Cote

You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..

Kris P Lettus 07-14-2007 09:47 PM

Couture
GSP
Stevenson (even though I hate him)
Grove (this will be the fight of the night)

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:47 PM

I'm not saying I want it to happen but I think it's realistic. And I'm not picking him because of what he did to Mirco because frankly I expected him to beat him, not with that kick, but I expected it. I think he provides a different fight for Randy than Randy has had to deal with so far. I want Cap to win, but I can see the upset.

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:48 PM

(also for the record Gabe is one of my favorite up and comers)

HeartBreakMan2k 07-14-2007 09:49 PM

Randy is a monster, but at some point someone has to take the torch, Gabe could do it. He won't carry the company or be the rep that Randy is, but he could take over that division.

McLegend 07-14-2007 10:15 PM

Woah now it's no fluke if Gonzaga beats Coture. Gonzaga is a beast with plenty of skill.


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