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ClockShot 12-20-2013 03:17 PM

Kevin Youkilis is taking his talents to Japan. Signed a deal with the Rakuten Golden Eagles.




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NYJjoT-A8C...piven-gtfo.gif

Evil Vito 12-21-2013 12:36 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Grant Balfour fails his physical with the O's and is back on the market.</font>

ClockShot 12-21-2013 12:41 PM

Rangers win the Shin-Soo Choo sweepstakes.


7-years, $130 mil.

Emperor Smeat 12-23-2013 03:14 PM

Dodgers signed Chris Perez to a 1 year deal.

ClockShot 12-25-2013 07:41 AM

Tanaka's going on the auction block.

Let the games begin.

YOUR Hero 12-29-2013 11:07 PM

Puig killed in car accident [/in the near future]

SammyG 01-03-2014 04:01 PM

never. He is immortal.

Evil Vito 01-04-2014 12:38 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Mark Mulder is back in baseball, having not played the last 5 seasons. 1 year deal with the Angels.</font>

Emperor Smeat 01-07-2014 06:14 PM

Dodgers expected to sign a contract extension with Don Mattingly keeping him with the team for at least the next 3 seasons.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/s...ngeles-dodgers


Greg Maddux revealed to have missed out on being a unanimous Hall of Fame selection by at least one known vote.
Quote:

Ken Gurnick of MLB.com, a former reporter for the Los Angeles Herald Examiner, says the only player he voted for was pitcher Jack Morris. Morris is on the Baseball Writers' Association of America ballot for the 15th and final time after falling 42 votes shy last year.

Gurnick said Tuesday that he excluded "everybody from the steroid era."

"I just don't know who did and who didn't," Gurnick said, adding: "Some people quibble over when the era starts, but the bulk of [Morris'] career was in my opinion well before all of the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs."
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10...hall-selection

screech 01-07-2014 07:22 PM

So how does that guy know Morris didn't use? Just because it wasn't widespread doesn't mean it didn't exist. How do we know current Hall of Fame guys didn't use at some point?

Fucking stupid logic, in my opinion.

DaveBrawl 01-07-2014 07:42 PM

From what I remember reading in some article last year when this came up according to some players in already, they knew others in there have used but they didn't give names.

Maddux is probably one of, if not, my favorite player of all time, and while I would have loved to see him make it in unanimously just to see him make it in on the first try with the way these writers are treating everyone from his era is pretty awesome.

Frank Drebin 01-07-2014 09:14 PM

Still remember his 78 pitch complete game shutout in 1997 with sportscenter showing every pitch.

Evil Vito 01-08-2014 12:11 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Maddux and Glavine are locks to go in. Biggio is a most likely, and I think The Big Hurt will get in first ballot as well but idiots who are unfairly anti-every-steroid-era-hitter will cost him some votes and make it a closer call than it should.

Meanwhile I think those same idiots cause Piazza and Bagwell to miss out again. And I don't think Jack Morris makes it in either.</font>

DaveWadding 01-08-2014 12:14 AM

Fuck Jack Morris. And every person that would vote for him.

McLegend 01-08-2014 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4356349)
<font color=goldenrod>Maddux and Glavine are locks to go in. Biggio is a most likely, and I think The Big Hurt will get in first ballot as well but idiots who are unfairly anti-every-steroid-era-hitter will cost him some votes and make it a closer call than it should.

Meanwhile I think those same idiots cause Piazza and Bagwell to miss out again. And I don't think Jack Morris makes it in either.</font>

So if Bagwell isn't getting in then how can Biggio? How can we be so sure Biggio didn't take steroids?

The whole thing is a joke.

RP 01-08-2014 12:32 AM

Because he's fucking Craig Biggio. Look at him. He's the size of my cock.

McLegend 01-08-2014 12:47 AM

He hit 24 home runs when he was 38 years old, and 26 home runs when he was 39 years old, which are career high. It's not greatly higher any than his normal numbers, but you are going to tell me someone who had as much wear and tear on them as Biggio is going to hit his career highs as a 38 and 39 year old without steroids?

I don't believe it.

ClockShot 01-08-2014 01:48 PM

Call to the hall in about 10 minutes.

ClockShot 01-08-2014 02:00 PM

Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Frank Thomas got elected to the hall.

screech 01-08-2014 02:15 PM

Niceeee

Evil Vito 01-08-2014 02:21 PM

Biggio missed election by .02%. Damn.

Evil Vito 01-08-2014 02:23 PM

Bagwell's % actually went down from last year. God I hate these voters.

Hanso Amore 01-08-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 4356373)
He hit 24 home runs when he was 38 years old, and 26 home runs when he was 39 years old, which are career high. It's not greatly higher any than his normal numbers, but you are going to tell me someone who had as much wear and tear on them as Biggio is going to hit his career highs as a 38 and 39 year old without steroids?

I don't believe it.

This is a completely valid argument.

I dont like Biggio because he is an example of why stat thresholds are enough.

He was a GOOD player for 20 years and amassed stats to make him a Hall of Famer. but he was never once in his career one of the 3 best at his position IMHO. He was never a perennial all start or all time great. Just a damn good solid player that was durable.

Meanwhile Pedro Martinez is one of the most dominant players of all time and is going to have detractors because of his "totals".

Hanso Amore 01-08-2014 02:41 PM

next year will be interesting.

Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
John Smoltz
gary Sheffield

Those are the only 4 legit candidates.

I think Johnson and Smoltz are first ballot guys. Pedro should be but wont (Remember im a Yankees Fan too).

Sheffield will never make it.

DaveWadding 01-08-2014 03:02 PM

*REVEALED* Frank Drebin's Hall of Fame ballot! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!


1. Jacque Jones
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Emperor Smeat 01-08-2014 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4356627)
Bagwell's % actually went down from last year. God I hate these voters.

Probably more of him being this year's bad luck candidate since something like that always happens whenever there are multiple "lock" picks. Won't get any better next year but after that he'll probably go back up in percentage.

RP 01-08-2014 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 4356373)
He hit 24 home runs when he was 38 years old, and 26 home runs when he was 39 years old, which are career high. It's not greatly higher any than his normal numbers, but you are going to tell me someone who had as much wear and tear on them as Biggio is going to hit his career highs as a 38 and 39 year old without steroids?

I don't believe it.

To my knowledge, he was hitting in a great lineup. It's not like teams were pitching around him. Not with Bagwell behind him.

weather vane 01-08-2014 03:48 PM

The baseball hof is a joke. Just terrible.

Frank Drebin 01-08-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4356625)
Biggio missed election by .02%. Damn.

If he played the majority of his career in say, Boston, he would have been a shoe in

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding (Post 4356666)
*REVEALED* Frank Drebin's Hall of Fame ballot! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!


1. Jacque Jones
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Wrong, Dave. It goes like this:

1. Jacque Jones
2. Jacque Jones
3. Jacque Jones
4. Jacque Jones
5. Jacque Jones
6. Jacque Jones
7. Jacque Jones
8. Jacque Jones
9. Jacque Jones
10. Jacque Jones

DaveWadding 01-08-2014 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RP (Post 4356684)
To my knowledge, he was hitting in a great lineup. It's not like teams were pitching around him. Not with Bagwell behind him.

And not only that, pulling the ball into the Crawford Boxes.

owenbrown 01-08-2014 05:45 PM

so apparently the one who turned his Hall of Fame ballot over to Deadspin was Dan LeBatard.

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hal...lot-1496558341

http://deadspin.com/dan-le-batards-p...ave-1497366704

FakeLaser 01-08-2014 05:55 PM

The following are Hall of Famers to me:

Bonds - duh
Clemens - duh
Maddux - duh
Biggio - duh
Bagwell - duh
Piazza - duh
Thomas - duh
Glavine - duh
Mussina - actually better than Glavine in many ways, similar, overall, to Schilling.
Schilling - lowest K/BB ratio of all time, a bunch of video game seasons
Raines - One of the best players of the 80s, very similar to Tony Gwynn in many respects
Martinez - Best DH ever (if you don't count Thomas as a DH) and one of the best pure hitters ever.
Trammell - Top 5-10 shortstop
McGwire - duh
Sosa - controversial, but the numbers don't lie (completely)

On the fence on Walker, Kent and Raffy (who's off the ballot now)

Evil Vito 01-08-2014 06:20 PM

<font color=goldenrod>I am encouraged that Piazza actually increased his vote total while so many decreased. I'm not sure he'll get into the HOF next year with 3 "locks" (Johnson, Pedro, Smoltz) set to go in plus Biggio probably going over the hump. But 2016 might be his year. Griffey is the only "lock" that year. Wagner should be a lock for 2016 as well but voters seem to be rather stingy with closers.</font>

RoXer 01-08-2014 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4356769)
<font color=goldenrod> Wagner should be a lock for 2016 as well </font>

I doubt it

FakeLaser 01-08-2014 06:36 PM

Wagner definitely won't get in first ballot, but he has a chance. He is probably the best left-handed reliever of all-time.

Emperor Smeat 01-09-2014 02:44 PM

According to ESPN, Masahiro Tanaka bidding war already has about 1/3rd of the league involved and might top around the 6 years, $100 million range.

Cubs and White Sox are rumored to be the first teams to negotiate with him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN
One official estimated that more than one-third of MLB teams are interested in Tanaka, who will likely garner a contract in the six-year, $100 million range. Among the interested teams are the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels, Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Seattle Mariners, Arizona Diamondbacks, Texas Rangers, Philadelphia Phillies, Oakland Athletics and Houston Astros.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN
Tanaka and agent Casey Close have until a deadline of 5 p.m. ET Jan. 24 to have a contract and physical completed with a team.


RP 01-09-2014 02:57 PM

I'm calling bullshit on the Astros , A's , D-Bags and White Sox. I'm crossing the Mariners out. That's unlikely. I gotta believe the Angels have some limit considering all the money they've squander with shit results. So that list is now..

Phillies
Yanks
Red Sox
Cubs
Dodgers
Rangers

RP 01-09-2014 03:00 PM

Sort of surprised to not see the Tigers on there. Not counting the Pirates out either. This guy could be the piece that takes the Pirates to the World Series.

ClockShot 01-09-2014 03:36 PM

Probably sitting on a lot of Prince's money still.

owenbrown 01-09-2014 06:43 PM

Fallout from the Dan LeBatard HoF vote "scandal"

http://deadspin.com/dan-le-batard-lo...ium=socialflow

http://deadspin.com/costas-no-hof-vo...the-1498180751

http://deadspin.com/the-angry-things...f-f-1497810100

http://deadspin.com/the-pti-guys-sai...-le-1497463504


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