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El Fangel 10-24-2011 05:13 PM

College hockey players are far better then juniors for the most part. They more often then not, are older, bigger, faster and stronger.

Stymies me why they aren't scouted that much at all.

Gertner 10-24-2011 05:25 PM

They tire out faster as young players due to juniors being better equiped for the long season. They aren't scouted much because the fast majority of solid players play for North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan or Wisconsin. You're hard pressed to find solid players outside of their conference. The Frozen Four is an amazing tournament, but the level of play is much better in the junior ranks. Plus, there's not alot of parity in the NCAA.

Lara Emily 10-24-2011 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3661681)
NCAA > Juniors

I'm sorry what? Is that a serious remark?

Lara Emily 10-24-2011 05:38 PM

BTW when we are talking about prospects, older is generally not better.

El Fangel 10-24-2011 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3661698)
They tire out faster as young players due to juniors being better equiped for the long season. They aren't scouted much because the fast majority of solid players play for North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan or Wisconsin. You're hard pressed to find solid players outside of their conference. The Frozen Four is an amazing tournament, but the level of play is much better in the junior ranks. Plus, there's not alot of parity in the NCAA.

The majority of AUS Hockey here in Canada is rarely if ever scouted. There are alot of good players that never have a scout watch them because it is assumed only the best players are in juniors and no where else. College hockey is a good option for alot of players because with juniors its either do or die, either you make it or you have nothing to fall back on. With a college education, if you don't make it, then you at least have something to fall back on.

Im not saying the overwhelming majority of college players are better then juniors, but alot of them in my opinion would slot in better then juniors as most college players have been playing against men their whole college career.

Their bodies are also more developed and you as a smart hockey fan know that a fair few good hockey players came through college to the NHL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3661700)
I'm sorry what? Is that a serious remark?

No, I just made it to because I don't believe it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3661702)
BTW when we are talking about prospects, older is generally not better.

Yes, you are correct there. However, if I was an NHL GM and I had to pick between

OHL Player - 18 years old, 6'0, 180 pounds and having played 64 games last season

or

NCAA - 22 years old, 6'0, 200 pounds and having played 32 games.

I would take the NCAA player unless its well known the OHL player is in a league his own, the reasons is, he is older, more mature, likely has played longer, body, muscles and likely game play is more developed and NCAA players are generally bigger as well as they are past the end of their growth period and are as big as they are going to get. An 18-20 year old is still growing a bit.

Thats just my opinion though taken from what I have seen.

Hanso Amore 10-24-2011 07:34 PM

Sabres tend to draft ALOT of college players.

Drew Stafford
Nathan Gerbe
Thomas Vanek
Ryan Miller

OF their recent picks in the draft they have drafted about 1/3 of their picks from college.

From the current team. Seems to work pretty well.

Not as much talent as Juniors though.

I will agree the talent level in the Juniors exceeds the college ranks, but I dont agree either is suiperior to development than the other. Really just happens that the most talented players dont end up on college, much like the NBA used to be.

I dont agree at all that Younger is better. You really would take someone based on age and games played over talent and skill?

Lara Emily 10-24-2011 07:58 PM

College players take longer to develop. Yes you are better off drafting on average an 18 year old then a 22 year old.

I didn't bring up the age thing, FA did, he said it was a boon that they were older, I said not really when you talk about prospects because generally it is better to get them in to your system younger then older.

Unless you are a superstar or a very talented player or on a very very bad team you don't go straight from College or juniors to the NHL, so if they aren't getting in to your system until 22 they are 2 years minimum behind most junior players in professional development, not to mention Juniors is in itself a form of professional hockey, it helps these kids prepare for what is to come.

BTW CHL has education funds and scholarships set up so a lot of these kids are also going to school.

Plus on top there are way more team options in Junior then there is in College.

Look they are both solid ways to break in the NHL but at best they are equal (and that's a very best), there's just no way of claiming NCAA is superior overall to the CHL

Lara Emily 10-24-2011 08:02 PM

And for the record this might be the first thing Gertner and I have ever agreed on.

Gertner 10-24-2011 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3661755)
The majority of AUS Hockey here in Canada is rarely if ever scouted. There are alot of good players that never have a scout watch them because it is assumed only the best players are in juniors and no where else. College hockey is a good option for alot of players because with juniors its either do or die, either you make it or you have nothing to fall back on. With a college education, if you don't make it, then you at least have something to fall back on.

Im not saying the overwhelming majority of college players are better then juniors, but alot of them in my opinion would slot in better then juniors as most college players have been playing against men their whole college career.

Their bodies are also more developed and you as a smart hockey fan know that a fair few good hockey players came through college to the NHL.



No, I just made it to because I don't believe it.



Yes, you are correct there. However, if I was an NHL GM and I had to pick between

OHL Player - 18 years old, 6'0, 180 pounds and having played 64 games last season

or

NCAA - 22 years old, 6'0, 200 pounds and having played 32 games.

I would take the NCAA player unless its well known the OHL player is in a league his own, the reasons is, he is older, more mature, likely has played longer, body, muscles and likely game play is more developed and NCAA players are generally bigger as well as they are past the end of their growth period and are as big as they are going to get. An 18-20 year old is still growing a bit.

Thats just my opinion though taken from what I have seen.

The competition is NCAA isn't nearly as good as the CHL, especially outside of the WCHA and even there it's very top heavy. NCAA produces no goaltenders whatsoever, and the CHL is generally the rougher and tougher league. The NCAA is behind the CHL and Europe in terms of development.

Plus, more and more U.S born players are opting for the CHL.

Champion of Europa 10-25-2011 03:45 AM

Jagr finally putting some pucks in the fucking net. Boooom.

MVP 10-25-2011 09:59 AM

A lot of Division I college hockey players spend a couple of years playing Juniors before going to NCAA. It's not uncommon to find Freshmen who are 20-21 years old playing college hockey.

Gertner 10-25-2011 11:35 AM

That's very true.

RP 10-25-2011 07:43 PM

Vanek again o

RP 10-25-2011 09:53 PM

HOSSSSSSSSA!

Wake Up Call 10-26-2011 07:33 PM

Canadiens fire Assistant Coach Perry Pearn. Seems very odd to fire an assistant coach, however, I guess the message is sent.

Mike the Metal Ed 10-27-2011 11:23 AM

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Hi Londoner. :)

Londoner 10-27-2011 11:27 AM

yeah, so? do you know how long the season is?

Mike the Metal Ed 10-27-2011 11:30 AM

Let me have my moment. This'll be the high point of the Sens' season. :mad:

Gertner 10-27-2011 12:04 PM

I'll be shocked if the Leafs lose another game this year.

Londoner 10-27-2011 12:34 PM

Just had another look and seen Ottawa have played one game more, some high moment.:p

Corndad 10-27-2011 09:06 PM

James Neal is a BEAST.

Droford 10-27-2011 09:18 PM

The Caps will probably go undefeated and still get swept in the first round.

Found it funny the Caps are sending emails out on how to buy Playoff tickets already.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9...psplayoffs.jpg

Wake Up Call 10-27-2011 09:28 PM

8-7 The Peg in the third over Philly, Ive never seen anything like this

LoDownM 10-27-2011 09:32 PM

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Emperor Smeat 10-27-2011 09:42 PM

:-\ Bruins ended up loosing though.

Might even end up last in the East depending on the Winnipeg game.

Still stink on scoring chances and even had almost a week off to prepare or fix the problem.

LoDownM 10-27-2011 09:48 PM

It's still early, wouldn't get totally bummed yet.

Emperor Smeat 10-27-2011 10:09 PM

Yeah way too early and had a feeling just like Chicago the first 10 games or month would be a let-down due to winning the cup but didn't expect it to be this much of a drop in terms of scoring.

Thomas and Rask have been great so far and the defense is still solid just the sloppy play from last year and the lack of scoring is hurting right now.

weather vane 10-27-2011 10:51 PM

They are playing terrible. Nothing good to talk about except Seguin and maybe Corvo...

Gertner 10-28-2011 12:46 AM

Not every team can be as great as the Leafs Spilchuk.

weather vane 10-28-2011 12:49 AM

I guess so... they are playing pretty good those fucks. Can't last.

This season can't go like this haha

Gertner 10-28-2011 10:12 AM

lol things will even out

Hanso Amore 10-28-2011 10:32 AM

Thomas Vanek is a fucking boss. Hes going to have such a big year.

El Fangel 10-28-2011 11:38 AM

Michalek.

MVP 10-28-2011 02:19 PM

People are calling into Boston sports radio today saying that Seguin should be off the first line. What?

El Fangel 10-28-2011 10:40 PM

I have $207 coming to me if Colorado can make a comeback in the 3rd.

Gertner 10-29-2011 10:14 PM

muahahaha first in the NHL

OssMan 10-29-2011 11:19 PM

Luuuuuuuuu

LoDownM 10-30-2011 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3667307)
muahahaha first in the NHL

Second. Pens have one more point.

Gertner 10-30-2011 07:21 PM

First in my heart.

weather vane 10-31-2011 08:49 PM

fuck I hate hockey rn


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