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Buzzkill 01-07-2010 05:42 PM
Leno Moving Back to 11:30
 
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/07/jay-le...-tonight-show/

Jay Leno is going back to his 11:30 PM time slot, and it's looking like Conan O'Brien is the odd man out ... sources tell TMZ.

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We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

<iframe src="http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modular.jsp?template=1098&view=182447&pollId=182739&channel=tmz.com" border="0" style="margin: 5px; float: right;" width="175" frameborder="0" height="120" scrolling="no"></iframe>We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.






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Holy shit this better not be true. Leno is maybe the worst on screen personality on TV right now. If they get rid of Conan I will "flip a bitch"

Droford 01-07-2010 05:47 PM
Conan has to go to FOX or something if he gets the boot.

Kane Knight 01-07-2010 06:00 PM
LOL. there's seriously team Conan and team Leno?

Blitz 01-07-2010 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ew.com
NBC denies that Jay Leno is being yanked; says 'show has performed exactly as we anticipated'
by Lynette Rice
Categories: News, TV Biz, Television

NBC took the unusual step of responding to an internet report about the future of The Jay Leno Show and whether the network is on the verge of cancelling it. In the statement, NBC reiterated its commitment to the primetime talk show by saying “Jay Leno is one of the most compelling entertainers in the world today. As we have said all along, Jay’s show has performed exactly as we anticipated on the network. It has, however, presented some issues for our affiliates. Both Jay and the show are committed to working closely with them to find ways to improve performance.” In fact, the network’s annual affiliates meeting is reportedly set for later this month, during which Leno is sure to dominate the discussions. In the meantime, an NBC insider attempted to quash additional press reports about Leno moving back to The Tonight Show chair by insisting his show will not be cancelled at 10 p.m.

Concerns about the future of the fledgling talk show hit a fever pitch in November when Leno, of all people, told Broadcasting & Cable: “Would I have preferred to stay at 11:30? Yeah, sure.” His sentiment was no doubt colored by the show’s declining ratings. Though his talk show debuted at 18.4 million, it dropped to 4.3 million in just seven weeks (nowadays, Leno is averaging 5.32 million viewers and a 1.6 rating among adults 18-49). Meanwhile, ratings are down for the post-Leno local newscasts in several of the network’s top 10 markets, while Conan O’ Brien is routinely trounced by David Letterman a half hour later.

NBC has continued to maintain that it’s still cheaper to make a talk show than an hour-long drama, and even Leno admitted that his threshold for success is low. “I’m told if we can keep a 1.5 [rating], they make $300 million a year; this is what they say,” he told B&C. “So we’re a little above the 1.5, but we’re doing OK.” NBC affiliates have tried to stay optimistic. “Do we want higher ratings? Sure,” NBC affiliates board chairman Michael Fiorile told EW in November. “However much time has to pass … be it four to six months … if we’re not seeing any improvement, then we’ll start asking questions.”

What Would Kevin Do? 01-07-2010 07:01 PM
Fuck Leno. He's an unfunny shit, and has always been an unfunny shit.

And if NBC does get rid of Conan, than fuck them too.

thedamndest 01-07-2010 07:11 PM
I doubt it's performing exactly as they expected. Somebody on NPR said that affiliates are considering not airing Leno and just putting on syndicated shows in that time slot and that would be a better lead for the local news.

Triple A 01-07-2010 07:19 PM
wtf

Would be real fucked for Conan and Fallon.

Conan has been awful anyway though. Tried watching a few eps for the first month or so but it was kinda terrible.

ClockShot 01-07-2010 07:55 PM
NBC could have had 5 good shows on that 10 o'clock timeslot everyday. Doing that was stupid in the first place.

But, how good of a job has Fallon done filling O'Brien's shoes?

Inadequacy 01-07-2010 07:58 PM
I think Fallon's been pretty solid

Kane Knight 01-07-2010 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 2890208)
Fuck Leno. He's an unfunny shit, and has always been an unfunny shit.

And if NBC does get rid of Conan, than fuck them too.
:rofl::rofl:

What Would Kevin Do? 01-07-2010 11:10 PM
So apparently the plan now is...

Have Leno on from 11:30 - 12:00
Conan from 12 - 1
Fallon from 1- 2

That is goddamn retarded.

Impact! 01-07-2010 11:41 PM
Leno is terrible

Buzzkill 01-09-2010 02:00 PM
Also I feel like a big charm of Conan's was that it was so low budget and so late at night. Putting him on the tonight show kind of took away from that.

But I still luv conan

DrA 01-10-2010 06:08 PM
They should just go back to the way it was, with Leno at 10:35CST and Conan on right after that.

DrA 01-10-2010 06:09 PM
Actually they should just get rid of Leno altogether.

Mr. Nerfect 01-11-2010 05:23 PM
I didn't know The Jay Leno Show was doing as terribly as it was. I don't think timeslot really effects that. The dude is way past it (if he ever had it). Conan isn't performing well with the older viewers, but he apparently dominates the 18-49 demographic, which advertisers love.

Buzzkill is right in saying that a lot of Conan's charm came from the cheaper show, but NBC should really stand behind Conan a bit here. I mean, eventually Letterman will die or something, and then it will be all Conan.

Kane Knight 01-12-2010 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2894807)
I didn't know The Jay Leno Show was doing as terribly as it was. I don't think timeslot really effects that.
Yeah, don't let the pre-Leno Show ratings of the Tonight Show stop you from thinking that, either.

Also, Conan wouldn't be an issue at all of the 18-34 demographic was still strong.

Jeritron 01-12-2010 03:30 PM
Just saw breaking news and a statement from Conan. He said he won't do midnight and he's leaving NBC I believe.
I don't blame him.

His statement was hilarious too. At the end he apologized for his hair

Jura 01-12-2010 04:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100112/...s_leno_o_brien

What Would Kevin Do? 01-12-2010 04:08 PM
Here's the supposed statement.

Quote:
People of Earth:

In the last few days, I’ve been getting a lot of sympathy calls, and I want to start by making it clear that no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me. For 17 years, I’ve been getting paid to do what I love most and, in a world with real problems, I’ve been absurdly lucky. That said, I’ve been suddenly put in a very public predicament and my bosses are demanding an immediate decision.

Six years ago, I signed a contract with NBC to take over The Tonight Show in June of 2009. Like a lot of us, I grew up watching Johnny Carson every night and the chance to one day sit in that chair has meant everything to me. I worked long and hard to get that opportunity, passed up far more lucrative offers, and since 2004 I have spent literally hundreds of hours thinking of ways to extend the franchise long into the future. It was my mistaken belief that, like my predecessor, I would have the benefit of some time and, just as important, some degree of ratings support from the prime-time schedule. Building a lasting audience at 11:30 is impossible without both.

But sadly, we were never given that chance. After only seven months, with my Tonight Show in its infancy, NBC has decided to react to their terrible difficulties in prime-time by making a change in their long-established late night schedule.

Last Thursday, NBC executives told me they intended to move the Tonight Show to 12:05 to accommodate the Jay Leno Show at 11:35. For 60 years the Tonight Show has aired immediately following the late local news. I sincerely believe that delaying the Tonight Show into the next day to accommodate another comedy program will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting. The Tonight Show at 12:05 simply isn’t the Tonight Show. Also, if I accept this move I will be knocking the Late Night show, which I inherited from David Letterman and passed on to Jimmy Fallon, out of its long-held time slot. That would hurt the other NBC franchise that I love, and it would be unfair to Jimmy.

So it has come to this: I cannot express in words how much I enjoy hosting this program and what an enormous personal disappointment it is for me to consider losing it. My staff and I have worked unbelievably hard and we are very proud of our contribution to the legacy of The Tonight Show. But I cannot participate in what I honestly believe is its destruction. Some people will make the argument that with DVRs and the Internet a time slot doesn’t matter. But with the Tonight Show, I believe nothing could matter more.

There has been speculation about my going to another network but, to set the record straight, I currently have no other offer and honestly have no idea what happens next. My hope is that NBC and I can resolve this quickly so that my staff, crew, and I can do a show we can be proud of, for a company that values our work.

Have a great day and, for the record, I am truly sorry about my hair; it’s always been that way.

Yours,

Conan

Buzzkill 01-12-2010 04:56 PM
Great statement, who can blame him?

Shouldn't Leno be the odd man out here? He's the awful one

thedamndest 01-12-2010 05:06 PM
NBC is still operating under the assumption that Leno is their moneymaker. All they need is to have one interview show at to put it back at 11:30. Apparently they need another six months of being in last place to figure this out.

Juan 01-12-2010 05:14 PM
I have a feeling Jay Leno is gonna come out of this looking like a huge douche.

Triple A 01-12-2010 05:48 PM
Crazy.

Really glad Conan stood up to this though.

Blitz 01-12-2010 05:50 PM
Feel so bad for Conan in this. How long has he wanted the Tonight Show only to basically be told "fuck you" after less than a year. Fuck NBC.

Penner 01-12-2010 06:06 PM
This is so ridiculous. I couldn't be more happy at the replies in this thread.

You can't just make a conclusion about a show so soon in its development. And I am also glad he does not want to push back Fallon. He respects his show as well as Fallons, which I agree to.

Fuck Leno.

As my sister would say... Le-NO THANKS.

What Would Kevin Do? 01-12-2010 06:16 PM
Honestly, this is the fucking Late Shift all over again.

Blitz 01-12-2010 08:56 PM
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lol

What Would Kevin Do? 01-12-2010 09:02 PM
I'm surprised Letterman didn't put himself in that open...

Mr. Nerfect 01-12-2010 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 2896180)
Honestly, this is the fucking Late Shift all over again.
It's starting to look like it. For example, Leno denying that he has any knowledge of what is going on, despite allegedly being heavily involved in the negotiations. Conan's not the sort of guy who will role over, though. If NBC fucks him over, I think he'll be more than happy to push back, and leave for another network. I could see this ending up as just being Leno and Fallon -- which would absolutely suck, say, opposed to a Letterman/Conan duo.

NBC fucks good things over. They have fumble so many of their sitcoms, their dramas, and they've really earned the fall from grace they have received. I can understand they want to beat Letterman, but if they lose Conan in the process? They're going to lose their best talk show personality to another network, which will just strengthen the forces against NBC.

What network is Letterman on? CBS? With Conan chasing some of Leno's audience back to Letterman (predominantly "old people,") a lot of them might not go back to Leno out of a new habit. Fallon has got no chance against Conan. When it comes to the zany, often senseless college humour, nobody in late night does it better than Coco. If Letterman can beat Leno, and Conan can beat Fallon, what does NBC have?

Besides, Conan is an acquired taste. NBC should know this through their experiences with Late Night. Not only did Conan have to get used to working on a talk show, but talk show audiences and viewers had to get used to the style and overall less-processed honesty Conan brought to the interviewer's chair. This awkwardness eventually grew into charm, but obviously a shift to a much wider audience would cause need for a re-introductory process.

thedamndest 01-12-2010 11:01 PM
A lot of people have been saying that ratings have fallen off because the wider audience is still adjusting to Conan's humor. I don't buy that. Ratings are falling off because people don't want to watch Leno at 10. In that slot he's a ratings killer. People switch to a different network, watch a different local news, and NBC have probably lost a good amount of people who just stayed over on Letterman and never even gave Conan a shot all because they wanted to see a regular show at ten. If Leno were so popular with his audience, you would think he would have retained them in the 10 spot.

It doesn't really matter if it's Jay or Conan on NBC doing late night. They just need a primetime show at primetime and they will get their audience back.

DrA 01-12-2010 11:19 PM
What were Conan's ratings like before Jay Leno started his show?

Droford 01-12-2010 11:30 PM
NBC is going to be surprised when Leno's 11:30 ratings suck just as bad AND Conan moves to fox and beats the snot out of Leno head to head (eventually). CBS wont be interested (I dont think) because they've got a perfectly good 2nd host in Ferguson and I dont see Letterman going anywhere in the near future.

Penner 01-12-2010 11:43 PM
LOL @ Conan tonight with Howie Mandel lol

Conan is freaking tall.

McLegend 01-12-2010 11:46 PM
Conan is laying into NBC pretty hard.

Loose Cannon 01-12-2010 11:52 PM
crap, I missed it.

What Would Kevin Do? 01-13-2010 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Droford (Post 2896483)
NBC is going to be surprised when Leno's 11:30 ratings suck just as bad AND Conan moves to fox and beats the snot out of Leno head to head (eventually). CBS wont be interested (I dont think) because they've got a perfectly good 2nd host in Ferguson and I dont see Letterman going anywhere in the near future.
I don't know if he'd beat Leno head to head... The bigger issue though, is that Conan is liked by younger people, and the audience will grow with him. If Conan leaves, WHEN Leno finally does retire, they won't have anyone for the spot... Conan would destroy Fallon

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2010 02:40 AM
One solution I heard is that NBC could pay Conan to sit out for a bit, and not go to work for another network. Then, when Leno retires, Conan would take over The Tonight Show then. That doesn't sound right to me, because if that were the case, then all NBC would be doing is making Jay Leno comfortable. It's not that they don't like Conan; it's just that Leno still wants to work, so NBC has to make room for him. From his comments, you've gotten the sense that Leno really didn't want to retire, and he was sort of forced out by Conan. The guy knows how to play the game, that's for sure.

Conan vs. Leno would certainly be interesting. I think Leno would win, simply because he is more of the "establishment" at this point in time, but I think WWKD hit the nail on the head. Conan will only make himself more and more comfortable, and Fallon wouldn't stand a chance. Nor would anyone else NBC put up against Conan, I don't think.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2010 02:48 AM
It'll be interesting to see how Conan's ratings go with all this noise surrounding him, Leno and NBC. There is no doubt that Conan was struggling in the ratings (as was Leno). Maybe this is (partially) a move to generate interest and tension around NBC, to get people to start watching. It wouldn't be the first time Conan has been involved in something like that (the "tension" with Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart that became more and more apparent was a joke), and NBC pretty much commissioned a show that poked fun of NBC's politics (30 Rock).

Regardless, I think it is better Conan makes a stink about this than not, because it gets his name out there more.

muffalufagus 01-13-2010 03:51 AM
I think I heard on my local news today that Conan is quitting.


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