MMA Thread
Looking at my Gucci, it's about that time..
To start off the discussion, with Silva backing out of the Liddell fight, and with the Rashad/Tito draw, what is going to happen in the light heavyweight title hunt?? Here's what I've been thinking: -If Shogun comes to UFC, let him fight Liddell instead of that faggot Wanderlei.. -Let Rashad and Tito fight again.. -Then, let the winner of those two matches fight for the number one contender spot.. I know Rampage is fighting Dan Henderson, so the winner of that fight can go on to fight someone like Bonnar, Vitor Belfor, Forrest Griffen, etc.. Thoughts?? |
I think you're just going to end up with Chuck/Tito again, which is a good money match really. And I don't know if either could stop Rampage, though believe it or not I think Tito could take him. His style lends better to a fight against Jackson then Chucks.
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But what happens to Rashad?? I mean, wasn't that fight (Ortiz/Evans) for a contender spot??
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They have to have Ortiz and Evans again. I don't know wtf is going on with Silva or Shogun.
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I do think Chuck deserves a rematch even though it's 2-0 Rampage.. I mean, Chuck DOMINATED the 205lbs division in UFC for like 3 years..
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I think Tito would beat Rashad in the rematch. I honestly think Tito underestimated Rashad. I know it's not the Tito of all, but I think the draw may have been a bit of a reality check.
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Check def deserves another shot, but for his sake he has to have another match before that. You CANNOT go into a rematch against a guy who has beat you 2 times straight wtihout getting a win on someone before that to rebuild yourself.
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Tito couldn't beat his own meat, let alone Rashad..
(Jenna gave him the penis rot) |
I think he could beat Rashad. And yeah, I know Jenna gave him the rot :( He needs to distance himself from that. I mean wtf, she came to big bear with him for the Rashad fight?!?!
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I am not sure about Tito anymore. He is one of my favourites but he is really looking to be on a downward spiral.
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I am just talking shit because I've never like Tito..
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Rashad should kill Tito.
Have you seen some of Tito's shots? They look horrible. |
I never saw the PPV.. My bro still has in on his DVR, I just haven't made it over there to watch it yet..
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I was always a Captain America fan but say what you will, Tito of old was great. I see glimmers of it in him now, he's just got to refocus.
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PPPPLLLUS like I said, I think Tito's style has the best chance against Rampage baring Henderson.
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Yes I watched the fight, and I now think Tito is done has being a top echlon fighter.
Tito's wrestling looks terrible, and I have no faith that Tito can beat Rashad again. I argee that he did "win" the fight, but those last 2 mintues were more dominat then the previous 13 for Tito. Rashad is gonna have so much confidence for the 2nd fight. He's gonna win. Tito hasn't looked good in a fight since he has come back to the UFC. |
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His wrestling is fine. Because he doesn't use it all the time, it doesn't make it worse than it is. It's obviously better than Rashad's and it wasn't meant to be at all going into their fight. I'll bet anyone $100 that Tito beats Rashad in the second fight INSIDE the distance or by winning every round on every score card. As for not looking good. I disagree. He hasn't looked great but that's another story. Vs. Griffin - Total domination until his gassed which is put down to a torn ACL going into the fight. Nobody can argue that Ortiz is a cardio machine normally. Vs. Shamrock II - looked dominate against a past his prime Shamrock. Vs. Shamrock III - looked even more dominate and a decisive finish. Vs. Liddell - Looked fine until his KO. Arguably an early stoppage. Personally, I thought 10 more seconds wouldn't have hurt here but you can't really complain. Definate improvement from his first fight with Chuck. Vs. Evans - Not at his best but looked dominate again. Evans was lucky to escape with a draw due to a dodgy referee call (everyone grabs the fence and NOBODY ever gets punished) and the time running out in the second round when Evans was seconds from being out from the gullitine. Ortiz still needs to beat Evans and beat a top 5 fighter though. |
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I still think Tito lost that fight against Forrest, but I will cut him some slack since he had that injury. But see against Chuck I could argue that the fight should have been stopped in the first round, because I actually think that was way closer then in the 3rd round where it was stopped. Then moving on when he would shoot on Chuck he kept telegraphing them, and basically like stood no chance of taking Chuck down. Which is what he did against Rashad aside from the first takedown where he did that high kick out of no where. I'll give Tito credit though for developing his stand up, but he has no knock out power what so ever on his feet. I think he he as to diver more of his attention back to his wrestling. Basically though I think the evolution of MMA has passed Tito Ortiz by. |
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Yeah I know, but Tito is supposed to be an excellent wrestler.
And I'm not knocking Tito for not taking Chuck down more. I'm knocking just for the way is wrestling looked. He did all these shots from the outside and gave himself even less of a chance of taking Chuck down. I'm knocking him for technique. |
Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.
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I hope Tito proves me wrong and wins his next 7 fights against top level guys, becuase he is so important to the money making aspect of MMA. The man knows how to promote himself and a fight.
He's a great personality. |
Nah, he is replacable..
Rampage has more charisma in his pinky finger than Tito has in his whole body.. |
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YES HE WILL
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I believe Dan is going to win the next fight, and if he does, watch out 205lb division. Especially since 205 is light heavy in US, and 205 was middleweight in pride. He will be at his best shape. Everyone underestimates him, especially his standup. His striking has improved alot. Oh yea, and that olympic class wrestling, cant forget about that. |
Speaking of Lesnar earlier, who/when is his next fight?
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I talked to Hero and he stickied this for us.. My idea is, we can make a new one like every 6 monthes depending on how big it gets..
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Yeah and I agree about Rampage but I am a Quinton Jackson mark..
What can I say?? :$ |
UFC 74
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Gabriel Gonzaga </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Randy Couture</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>220 (100 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>15-8-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Gabriel Gonzaga </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 1" (185 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>242 (110 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>8-1-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="7" bgcolor="silver"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Josh Koscheck Vs. Georges St-Pierre </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Josh Koscheck</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>170 (77 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>11-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Georges St-Pierre </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>170 (77 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>13-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="7" bgcolor="silver"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Kurt Pellegrino Vs. 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Kendall Grove </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Patrick Cote</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 11" (180 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>185 (84 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>10-4-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="95">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Kendall Grove </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 6" (198 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>185 (84 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record: </td> <td>10-3-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="right" valign="top" width="185"> </td> <td width="15"> </td></tr></tbody></table> |
That you're a Quinton Jackson mark :D
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Gabe
GSP Stevenson Cote |
Really looking forward to Cote vs Grove..
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Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen.. |
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GSP Stevenson (even though I hate him) Grove (this will be the fight of the night) |
I'm not saying I want it to happen but I think it's realistic. And I'm not picking him because of what he did to Mirco because frankly I expected him to beat him, not with that kick, but I expected it. I think he provides a different fight for Randy than Randy has had to deal with so far. I want Cap to win, but I can see the upset.
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(also for the record Gabe is one of my favorite up and comers)
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Randy is a monster, but at some point someone has to take the torch, Gabe could do it. He won't carry the company or be the rep that Randy is, but he could take over that division.
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Woah now it's no fluke if Gonzaga beats Coture. Gonzaga is a beast with plenty of skill.
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