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I actually felt bad for Jericho tonight. I cant believe it. Maybe the first time in a long long time i'm like moved emotionally for some reason. And i was thinking about HBK kicking Jaenetty thru the Barbershop window the whole time.

So obvious Bayley was winning. They are just going to rehash the Sasha story for Bayley. Would have been much more significant and meaningful had she beat Charlotte on a PPV and been the one to end her streak.

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4928299)

None of the top champions heading into Wrestlemania will have held their belts for more than a month, and that just seems mind boggling to me.

I'm hoping Owens beats Goldburg at Fastlane. I damn sure hope they don't have Jericho cost him the title as that would be dumb on Jerichos part. With KO/Jericho already booked for Mania it is still in Jerchos best interest for KO to retain the title. That would be a good long story around the Universal Championship at least.

I am thinking that Lesnar is gonna cost Oldberg his chance at the title in the Owen's match at Fastlane. Owens/Jericho title for title would be really awesome.

BTW Kevin Owens is fucking back babayyy! That was the shit!

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 4928256)

damn

fell asleep for like an hour and missed what seemed to be a sweet segment

Gillberg...

Just watched the YouTube clips of it... s0 good

Perfect segment

Jericho is amazing

Rockers reference also great...

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 4928314)

KO/Jericho is not already booked......

Jericho was talking about it, and Kevin Owens kind of brushed it off, but it hasn't been booked yet.

(It will be, though)

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 4928314)

That's exactly what will happen.

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Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 4928315)

I am thinking that Lesnar is gonna cost Oldberg his chance at the title in the Owen's match at Fastlane. Owens/Jericho title for title would be really awesome.

But wouldn't Lesnar want Goldburg to win that match as well. Wouldn't be smart for him to cost Goldburg the title either with their match already set up for Mania. Jericho and Lesnar or Heyman each trying to help their Mania opponents win could be interesting.

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4928297)

It was green rep. :lol:

I know lol. It was the comment you left. That's why it was the best ever lol.

WWE really firing on all cylinders. Great to see all these programs they started planning back in the summer starting to pay off at the right time. Can't wait for the next 7 weeks. Could be some all time great stuff.

Bobby Heenan is the best

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Fucking botch after RAW went off the air, Roman's entrance hit, and it made it seem like he was gonna challenge Bayley for her title.

Gotta make Roman look strong

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4928300)

I really can't understand the booking sometimes.

They've got to hotshot the title between her and Charlotte now so Charlotte can claim as an 8× Women's Champion that she is the best of all-time...only to be defeated once again by Bayley @ WM 33 "because reasons".

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Originally Posted by The CyNick (Post 4928332)

LOL, looks like somebody's never heard of February Ratings Sweeps, aka all the big shot directors and executive producers attempts to get the networks to stay on as their "Valentine" for another season if you will.

And high-fiving in the hallways, very important.

I shouldn't be surprised Jericho babyface'd himself so well for this program with Owens. Now that Owens actually has some heat, it might be easier to get into his stuff and it'll feel less mid-card. I don't like Triple H being involved -- I'd rather Owens shed Jericho because he believes in himself and thinks he can beat Goldberg on his own. Sell that match as one that Owens might feasibly have a shot at winning. He'll look good regardless.

But right now, I'm totally fine with Owens vs. Jericho being for the Universal Title. If Jericho shows up, I'd rather Jericho HELP Owens in a bizarre twist, with the idea being that Jericho wants to go after the belt. Stepping on Goldberg's momentum would be a bad idea though. Best to just leave him at home and have Owens retain with Brock's assistance.

Hope HHH is not involved with Y2J vs Owens.

I don't think Bayley deserves the title.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4928364)

But right now, I'm totally fine with Owens vs. Jericho being for the Universal Title.

Pretty sure Goldberg is steamrolling Owens.

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Originally Posted by The CyNick (Post 4928332)

hahahahahahaha

you're the best

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4928394)

I don't think Bayley deserves the title.

How could anyone have possibly thought she deserved it after all those pinfall victories in non-title matches, amirite? :roll:

Talking more about not being into her character.

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 4928356)

I've heard of it. I don't understand your point though. The WWE is still clicking on all cylinders, heading into Mania. The fact that it's sweeps month, is irrelevant to my point.

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4928416)

hahahahahahaha

you're the best

You didn't enjoy RAW or Elimination Chamber? I thought both nights were great. But then I'm not a spiteful troll just saying everything sucks. Not that you do that either, but others who hang on my every word do.

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 4928314)

It's a tough call. I definitely wouldn't want to see Goldberg get beat, but they could have Jericho sell the injury and come back at Fastlane and put a beating on Owens to cause a DQ. Owens would technically have a "win" over Goldberg, which could be used for something down the line.

But it's tough to pass up the spectacle of Goldberg v Lesnar having the title on the line.

Glad I'm not in WWEs shoes to have to make these tough calls.

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4928394)

Hope HHH is not involved with Y2J vs Owens.

I don't think Bayley deserves the title.

She does. It's the right time in the storyline. Trouble with these divisions that lack depth is you need to switch the title around to keep the storylines going. I like how it all played out, leaves a lot of doors open for the near future.

Plus the crowd was really into the match. The WWEs investment in making the women viable main eventers is really paying off. I saw a lot of girls in the crowd.

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Originally Posted by The CyNick (Post 4928457)

Just odds and ends of RAW that were pretty good. Loved Owens fucking up Jericho and love those 2 together. They'll have a fun feud.

Bayley vs Charlotte sounded good, but kind of pointless if they put the belt back on Charlotte because they've done it a thousand times already.

Heard the chamber match itself was great.

But I can't dedicate more than 30 minutes at a time because the show can get pretty bad on a segment-to-segment basis.

Mainly because of horrendous commentary I think. It's hard when commentators are not effective story tellers because the action in the ring becomes meaningless. Wrestlers REALLY have to over perform to get anything across as special on t.v.

There is no true relationship with any announcer like you had with JR, Jesse Ventura or dare I say Vince McMahon. I think a more focused announce team would really help the product.

Just one man's take CyNick, I hope this doesn't upset you. I wouldn't dream of hurting your feelings since we're best friends. Please don't put me on the list.

• I'm assuming STD really enjoyed that handicap match as it was two heels against a face. Seeing two faces against a heel at Elimination Chamber really bothered STD for some reason. It seemed to bother him more than something like that should bother someone.

I hope you enjoyed it anyway STD!

• My God does Bo Dallas look like such a jobber these days. It appears that his "push" (if you can call it that) ended after he defeated Axel on that random episode of Raw.

• Dar/Gallagher = Skip. I will say however that it just sucks to see Alicia Fox relegated to being a manager in the Cruiserweight division. I always say it, be she really deserves more than this. Why not add her to the Women's division on Raw because at the moment, that division, much like the Cruiserweight division is just terrible at the moment and it really needs more competitors.

• Emma debuting as Emmalina then announcing that she's going back to Emma was something. I think the guys in the back are just having fun with it now, considering how long it took her to debut as Emmalina.

Next week should be interesting though. That is if she appears. For all we know, we could get vignettes next week hyping up the debut of Emma, which will run way into the middle of July.

• Chanting "lets go jobber" to Mark Henry was just no.

• I don't usually talk about backstage segments, but when the camera turned to reveal Enzo & Cass, I legitimately thought Enzo was an old woman for a second.

Also, Enzo is quite annoying.

• I don't really care for Joe or "Micheal Cole Presents: An Interview With...." segments, so I just skipped that part.

• Handsome Rusev losing didn't make sense at first, but when Joe turned up, it all did. I think we could possibly see Rusev/Zayn again at Fastlane but as part of the Pre-Show. Maybe.

I'm sure we will see Joe/Zayn at WrestleMania though. This looks to be the beginning of it all.

• Theodore Long being inducted into the Hall of Fame is cool. For once, it wasn't spoiled for me by some news website. Instead, it was spoiled by Stephanie at the beginning of the show.

Seriously WWE, stop it.

• Tozawa/Daivari was actually pretty good. It sucks that Daivari is just a jobber for the Cruiserweight division as I like him and he's good, but at the same time, I like Tozawa too, so either way I'm happy.

Also, I really like Tozawa's Snap German Suplex. It's so good.

• The Festival of Friendship was nothing short of amazing. Jericho is also amazing but we all knew that.

As much as I enjoyed the segment, I had a strong feeling that what ended up happening, would happen, starting from when Triple H called over Owens backstage. Then when Owens came out, his face told you something was up, then when I saw a giant TV in the ring, that was it. Owens was going to turn on Jericho for sure.

Triple H sure does love his fatties though. First Kevin Owens and now Samoa Joe. Maybe Rollins' failure turned Triple H towards fatties.

Anyway, with Owens turning on Jericho, it's pretty safe to assume now that we'll be seeing Jericho/Owens at WrestleMania. Also, it was good to see Gillberg again. I was actually hoping for it to be Gillberg and I actually marked out a bit when he did show up.

Great segment.

• Did Enzo bring out marshmallows just so Cass had a reason to say "sawft"?

I hope not, because that's really bad.

• I skipped pretty much all the women's match as the division on Raw at the moment is so poor. I have no interest in it whatsoever. SmackDown's Women's division is miles better than Raw's.

It was pretty cool to see Dana Brooke back though. I like her. She's alright.

Oh, and Bayley is the champion. Cool. I guess.

I look forward to Charlotte winning it back in two weeks at Fastlane though.

• Overall, Raw was alright. It was better than usual but that could possibly be down to Jericho, I don't know.

But it was good. Not great, but good.

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4928461)

Fair analysis.

Nah, people who dislike the product but don't watch show signs of intelligence. The others, who watch every week, and write massive posts about each show and future booking ideas, are the ones I am concerned about. But even they don't upset me, I just feel bad for them.

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Originally Posted by The CyNick (Post 4928542)

ya like Cool King. What a homo.

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3rd time is the charm! Best Tweet Ever.

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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 4928384)

STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by RP (Post 4928552)

ya like Cool King. What a homo.

Who is Cool King?