Without DBry would they have lost the live crowd at WMXXX?
 

I remember how stunned the live crowd was at Taker losing (and how stunned I was watching on my laptop). Without D-Bry's amazing comeback story, would WWE have lost the live crowd at WMXXX when Taker lost? On a similar note, if WWE goes with Undertaker vs Roman this year, and if, hypothetically, Roman defeats Undertaker, is there any match WWE could put on that could possibly win the crowd back? I see Roman getting the frostiest WM reception yet if he goes up against Taker.

If Bryan had lost the main event, the crowd would've booed the show off the air.

If they actually went on with the originally scheduled borefest that was going to be an Orton/Batista main event, I truly feel like a lot of people would've left before the match was even finished. Might've even seen people just leave after Taker lost.

Yes and probably the whole event would have been a train wreck in terms of crowd reactions if Bryan lost the match against Triple H so he never gets put into the main event.

As proved by Roman/HHH yes

Brock only goes over Taker if they have a happy ending to the show. By this point they knew that Bryan was that happy ending. I'm sorry that sounds like a dodge, but if they had decided that they absolutely were going with their Rumble plans, I think Batista beats Orton and Taker beats Brock. If they put Reigns against Taker, I think they know that he is going to be booed out of the building. As a main event it will flop more than being a lower match. It will piss fans off more than it will deflate them. Taker's streak is gone and it is never coming back. The crowd will probably be super-psyched for the guys they do believe in -- guys like Brock Lesnar, Goldberg and AJ Styles.

If the plan really is to do Taker/Reigns and Brock/Goldberg, I think Brock/Goldberg goes on after it.

I really want to experience the Mania XXX where they did the Batista/Orton main event as planned. Seriously did they honestly think that match was worthy of headlining a WrestleMania.

I'd rather seen that than the shit show that we got with Bryan. Bryan beating 3 future Hall of Famers in one night just wasn't believable to me. Although Daniel Bryan will probably get in the Hall of Fame as well due to injury. Orton vs Batista is a Mania main event worthy match though. I would have loved to seen the original plans as well then maybe I wouldn't consider WM30 one of the worst of all time.

lol wtf are you talking about

I'm not a fan of Daniel Bryan. Hated WM30.

Well I mean I'm not a fan of Hulk Hogan but objectively (even though he is completely unathletic in the match) his match with the Rock at WM18 was fucking dope.

D Bry was the guy at the time, whether you like him or not, the fans were most behind him.

And Dave and Orton would have headlocked one another for 15 minutes before some bullshit table spot that nobody would have bought, with double digit false finishes that nobody would have bought.

I don't think Orton/Batista is a big enough match to headline Mania in 2014. Even during their respective primes in the mid to late 00s I struggle to see that headlining a Mania.

Hogan vs The Rock was dope because it was believable. A cruiserweight beating 3 of the best heavyweights ever wasn't. Fans can like it all they want but to me it's the worst Mania of all time.

Plenty big enough, especially in their primes.

and you opinion is wrong as fuck.

THey did go too hard on overpowering him I'll give you that BUT that does not make it the worst mania of all time.

His match with HHH was fucking fantastic.

The right booking would have been what they did with HHH and Reigns and had Bryan beat HHH in the main event because that was the feud.

Sounds better than the lay down for Daniel Bryan fans show we got. Just not a fan of his is all.

lol Hypocritical shithead Dale. At it again.

"Don't tell people their opinion is wrong!"

*Someone disagrees with his opinion a couple weeks later*

"Your opinion is wrong as fuck!"

Not even TRYING to be sly about it. lol

To me it does. You can like it all you want but to me it will always be the worst Mania.

This year's WrestleMania was bland as fuck and way more bizarre. WrestleMania XXX felt like they were setting the table with Bryan, Cesaro, Wyatt and The Shield, but the most important of those guys right now is Daniel Bryan and he is retired.

My main point was that you were an irritating obnoxious asshole with a j holier than thou opinion. Heaven forbid though someone contradicts themself ever for they will be doomed to deal with wwffans histrionics.

That was your interpretation of #fan. He actually sounded really down to earth to me.

I don't care that you argue it's that you are the worst. That's my main issue.

Nah, CyNick is the worst. That was the whole point.

He's down to earth for a piece of poo.

But he was more annoying than CyNick. At least CyNick is funny

CyNick is A LOT more obnoxious. In fact, I don't think #fan is obnoxious at all. CyNick is constantly talking down to people, and not in a charming or ironic way. The dude seriously thinks he is Bruce Prichard or something.

I'm sure it's a troll act, but it's a lot more grating than #fan actually being a dude who fights for America and justice.

Fan was just being an obnoxious twat in the Bret vs Shawn thread. My point to him was yeah disagree on who is better for sure but don't be such a dickhole lol I'm not saying I was right but indidnt care for the cut of his jib.

And he cannot let that go. I have moved on but he's chosen to make an issue here.

CyNick is hilarious. I don't agree with him on 99 per cent of his stuff and a lot of it is schtick but it's fun to read and it's different.

I love you, Dale, but I feel you project a lot of these tones onto people. Sometimes when you are relaxed and talking to people you say shit like "Nah mate, you're wrong and being dumb about life" like you basically did above. I think you and #fan should move past this because you can both be great posters and you're wrong and being dumb about life.

Hey man I actually thought we was aiiiite after that thread and pretty.much said so. As I said I was probably wrong in the other thread in how I read his tone but he brought up his hard feelings. Now he must pay the (rowdy roddy) piper for his heinous actions.

So you admit that you contradict yourself and do the same thing you spazzed out about me doing. And NOW you're complaining about MY histrionics when I call YOU out on it. Well, alright...

There we go. We can move on then. Even though you were a total dickhole to Simple Fan in this thread.

I was nothing but pure class to Simple Fan in this thread. We get it though fan, you are always right and the smartest guy in the room.

And again I'm not spazzing. I'm sure you are imagining me slamming my head against a computer and weeping endlessly in fury but actually I'm just typing that you are a wank.

And for the record you are in fact a giant asshat.

You're in CyNick troll mode now. Have fun.

Wait now you need to prove how right you are to win the argument on the internet.

Guys...

Gonna have to make you 1-1 in tpww realfights bro

Come on fan. You Rly think wm30 was the worst mania ever? Have you seen wrestlemanias? I get disagreeing with booking but c'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnn hombre let's get serious