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Old 07-18-2010, 12:30 AM   #41
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Old 07-18-2010, 12:36 AM   #42
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I kinda wish I hadn't used my title in my name. I take my religion seriously, this site not so much.
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Old 07-18-2010, 12:38 AM   #43
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Probably not, but Marino never had decent players around him either. Manning doesn't have that excuse. Just the opposite, if Manning had taken his mind off his own stat sheet and let Edge run the ball more, he may have more Super Bowls.
But you still maintain that Roethlisberger is better than Manning?
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Yes. Ben was able to use the great players around him to win games and championships. Manning has done this once, and hasn't figured out that it works enough to keep doing it. Manning is the better passer, there's no arguement about that, but he's not the better Quarterback. Playmakers break records, Game Managers win championships.
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Basically, my argument boils down to the fact that if I had to choose one of them to blowout a poor team, I'd take Manning. If I had to pick one to make a critical pass on 4th and long, I'd take Manning. If I had to pick one of them to start as my QB in the Super Bowl, I'd take Manning. Every success the Colts have, be it a good thing or a bad thing, is because of Peyton Manning. The same cannot be said about Roethlisberger. Those Steelers Super Bowl teams probably would have won with any top 5-8 QB.
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So do you think Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL right now, Hallowell?
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st pierre is efficient. seems like he is unwilling to take any kind of risk in order to cement 'his legacy' and has become a bit dull to watch because of it.
It's not like Silva puts on stellar performances everytime. GSP has been pretty dominant, he hasn't lost a round in like 5 fights. He's beaten beaten Penn and Hughes twice, cleaned out his division, and if he can beat Silva he can retire as the greatest of all time at that point.
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So do you think Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL right now, Hallowell?
If not, he's in the top three. Even NFL analysts will tell you that.
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Good call referencing the NFL analysts
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Top 5 current and Top 5 Alltime, please
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Current:
1. Roethlisberger
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Brady (would be ranked higher if he didn't cheat)
5. Favre

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1. Joe Montana
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Roger Staubach
4. Bart Starr
5. John Elway
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Old 07-18-2010, 01:41 AM   #54
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That list is shit flavored poop
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Quite clearly Eli Manning is the best QB in the NFL.
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That list is shit flavored poop
Why? No Romo or Palmer?

Who would be your top 5?
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Old 07-18-2010, 01:54 AM   #57
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Tony Romo is garbage and I loathe the Cowboys, but nice stab

My top 5 is Tom Brady
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Old 07-18-2010, 03:17 AM   #58
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the fact that you have Terry Bradshaw above John Elway boggles my mind
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Old 07-18-2010, 03:57 AM   #59
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What a piece of shit Steelers homer.
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Old 07-18-2010, 03:58 AM   #60
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Like seriously, what a stupid ignorant fuck.
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This is the reason Pittsburgh fans are the most retarded wastes of semen on the planet. No fucking knowledge of sports AT ALL. Just a pile of dumbshit douchebags waving their faggoty towels in the air like a bunch of pathetic failed abortions.
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The only person on that list that I would for sure put on my list is John Elway. Joe Montana was a bit over-rated; if he made my list he certainly wouldn't be number one. Terry Bradshaw probably wouldn't even be in my Top 25. Don't know how you could put Staubach and Bart Starr on there and not even mention Johnny Unitas. I would probably put one of them on it though. Might as well put Y.A. Tittle on there while you're at it.
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Rev, do you understand how football actually works?
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No one will ever surpass Michael Jordan as greatest NBA player ever, but Kobe Bryant is currently the best player in the NBA.

5 time NBA Champion
2 time NBA Finals MVP
2008 Season MVP
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10-time All-Defensive selection
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Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12
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Youngest player to score 18,000 points
Youngest player to score 20,000 points
Youngest player to score 23,000 points
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Plus a shit ton more Lakers franchise records he holds
I went ahead and underlined the ones are meaningless here.
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It's not like Silva puts on stellar performances everytime. GSP has been pretty dominant, he hasn't lost a round in like 5 fights. He's beaten beaten Penn and Hughes twice, cleaned out his division, and if he can beat Silva he can retire as the greatest of all time at that point.
i think silva just has that slightly mental self-destructive tweak that a few of the greatest have, like george best and maradona and ronnie o sullivan etc.
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I went ahead and underlined the ones are meaningless here.
Well, I could go ahead and post about 50 more, but I get the feeling that your minds made up.
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You could make a case for Ray Lewis being the greatest linebacker of all time. I probably wouldn't say that though. Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end of all time most likely.
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What a piece of shit Steelers homer.
Show me where I said I was unbiased.
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How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for date raping a girl?
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How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for being falsely accused but never charged with sexually assulting a drunk gold digger?
Fixed it for ya, guy.
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How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for being falsely accused but never charged with sexually assulting a drunk gold digger?



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Old 07-18-2010, 12:22 PM   #73
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For a guy who claims to have a genius IQ, Rev. Hallowell sure says a lot of retarded things.
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Tony Romo is garbage and I loathe the Cowboys, but nice stab

My top 5 is Tom Brady
Tony Romo isn't garbage. In fact few quaterbacks have a better statistical start to there careers. He'd third on the all time QB ratings list. I think people comtempt for the Cowboys is what makes them say 'Romo sucks'.
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Well, I could go ahead and post about 50 more, but I get the feeling that your minds made up.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't recognize that he is a great player- probably top 5 all-time. It's just that some of those records don't really have any bearing on that.

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I'm sure they were meaningless when Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabaar held these records too.
Again, the records aren't meaningless in general, just irrelevant when looking at how great a player they are.
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Tony Romo isn't garbage. In fact few quaterbacks have a better statistical start to there careers. He'd third on the all time QB ratings list. I think people comtempt for the Cowboys is what makes them say 'Romo sucks'.
His inability to win any important games tends to lead to that as well
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He's been in the league for 3 fulls seasons FFS. Not everyone gets to play for Bill Belicheck or Cowar in their first season. He's only played in two post seasons. I used to hate on Romo too, but after watching him last season, you can't say that he is garbage. He's a top 10 QB easily.
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Peyton Manning, who will likely retire as the greatest of all time didnt win anything in the post season for like 7 years.
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I'm using a little hyperbole to express how overrated he is. He's nowhere near this conversation, that's my point.
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