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Old 02-21-2013, 03:16 PM   #41241
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So this means they are actually planning to have a WWE 14 game this year. Sort of thought they'd take a year off to try to make a really good first impression.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:22 PM   #41242
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It's so weird having a situation where the champion going into WrestleMania is so guaranteed to lose the title. Like... there's been situations where you can be pretty sure who's gonna walk out champion but to have a situation like this... it's just stranger and stranger the more I think about it.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:27 PM   #41243
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Cena needs a new heel? I know the answer, but why not have Cena be the heel for Ryback? It may revitalize a character that's stale as shit.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:39 PM   #41244
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Cena needs a new heel? I know the answer, but why not have Cena be the heel for Ryback? It may revitalize a character that's stale as shit.
Best case scenario - Ryback goes over and revitalizes his push that's been somewhat wobbling in momentum recently.

Worst case scenario - Ryback follows Cena's previous feud with Ziggler in that he gets 1-2 wins but doesn't benefit at all from the feud and/or ends up worse than before.

They sort of backed Ryback into a corner when he got his main event push since they didn't want to make him champion nor give him any clean losses against Punk. It then carried over to the Shield feud where the WWE didn't want the Shield to completely dominate him but at the same time refuse to let Ryback get any real revenge on his own (unlike Cena and Orton who killed off both versions of the Nexus on their own)
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:54 PM   #41245
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Ryback is the latest example of why WWE is completely incapable of building new stars.
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Ryback is the latest example of why WWE is completely incapable of building new stars.
Yeah damn, being the last one in the rumble before Cena eliminated him is exactly how you fuck up your new stars!!!!! shut up.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:13 PM   #41247
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Am I the only one who really loves WM 24?
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:15 PM   #41248
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:41 PM   #41249
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WWE have kind of backed themselves into a corner by putting Ryback up against The Shield as neither can "afford to lose".

As I see it, they've made the right decisions so far. The Shield have won through cohesiveness and I don't feel Ryback is any less over due to these losses (see the reaction he got whilst stood on the apron at Elimination Chamber).

I'd hate for Ryback to decimate The Shield at Mania as I feel that would curtail their momentum.

I'd also not be keen on a Ryback turn just yet.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:47 PM   #41250
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For real, why can't Ryback just stay face and feud with Cena for a while?
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:48 PM   #41251
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:50 PM   #41252
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For real, why can't Ryback just stay face and feud with Cena for a while?
Cena is incapable of getting a majority babyface reaction against any likeable wrestler.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:57 PM   #41253
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They cheered for CM Punk AFTER he made those comments to Lawler in the triple threat match at Survivor Series. I don't know know who Cena could get a lot of cheers against at this point.

I think at this point if he had a match against a referee it would go Let's go Cena...Let's go Ref!
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:02 PM   #41254
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It's so weird having a situation where the champion going into WrestleMania is so guaranteed to lose the title. Like... there's been situations where you can be pretty sure who's gonna walk out champion but to have a situation like this... it's just stranger and stranger the more I think about it.
It'd be funny if he retains at mania only to lose it on raw the next night.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:04 PM   #41255
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Or just takes it to the movies.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:05 PM   #41256
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Nigel McGuinness would've hated the Drake Younger-Sami Callihan match at this show, like 20 unprotected chair shots to the head.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:15 PM   #41257
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Am I the only one who really loves WM 24?
24 was one of the best Manias ever, why would you think that?
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:14 PM   #41258
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It's so weird having a situation where the champion going into WrestleMania is so guaranteed to lose the title. Like... there's been situations where you can be pretty sure who's gonna walk out champion but to have a situation like this... it's just stranger and stranger the more I think about it.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:07 PM   #41263
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Yeah damn, being the last one in the rumble before Cena eliminated him is exactly how you fuck up your new stars!!!!! shut up.
He's jobbed in 5 straight PPVs, you tool.
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It'd be funny if he retains at mania only to lose it on raw the next night.
Why do I feel like there's a small chance they might actually do something like that just for the swerve factor.
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He's jobbed in 5 straight PPVs, you tool.
C'mon. Two of those were 6 man tags and one was the royal rumble, and that's the last three. Wouldn't exactly say he's being buried.
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I didn't say he's being buried. I'm saying they've wasted the momentum he had going 5 months ago by not having him win a single match on PPV and basically using him while they turn their attention to putting over The Shield.
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But you can't say he's looked weak at all. Punk needed to go over him, he's the champ and 'the best in the world'. It was a good first feud for him though, also showed he can be beaten (even if he was screwed both times). He shouldn't be main eventing WM, so I had no problem with him not winning the rumble, but he was final 2 FFS. And he looked strong against the shield. I just don't see how you think they're not booking him well. Not everyone can win all the time, his momentum is still there, if anything his frustration over not winning is keeping it all rolling, and when he snaps he's going to go nuts. The crowd are still begins him, and they're building this story nicely.
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He's jobbed in 5 straight PPVs, you tool.
Fuck out of here. He got pinned in a 6 man tag at EC, big deal.
He was the last one eliminated by John Cena at the Royal Rumble, Oh noooo.
He lost a 6 Man Tag TLC where he was the only member of his team even moving when The Shield (who are the most dominant trio we've seen in a while) got the pin.
I don't remember how he lost at Survivor Series, but it was a triple threat involving the two biggest names in the WWE, what'd you expect?
And at Hell In A Cell he was fast counted and low blowed by the ref. Real big string of jobs right there.
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The Shield debuted at Survivor Series, putting Ryback through a table/allowing Punk to pin Cena.
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I didn't say he's being buried. I'm saying they've wasted the momentum he had going 5 months ago by not having him win a single match on PPV and basically using him while they turn their attention to putting over The Shield.
but this happened for a reason. It's not like they painted themselves into a corner without noticing or that it happened by accident and Ryback is suffering from it, it's their doing. If Ryback had turned out to be what they hoped him to be aka Goldberg, then he'd never be in the spot he's in now or they'd just keep having him kill people in hope that he "really catches on"/blows up. But it looks like they're going in a different direction/with a different approach.
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But you can't say he's looked weak at all. Punk needed to go over him, he's the champ and 'the best in the world'. It was a good first feud for him though, also showed he can be beaten (even if he was screwed both times). He shouldn't be main eventing WM, so I had no problem with him not winning the rumble, but he was final 2 FFS. And he looked strong against the shield. I just don't see how you think they're not booking him well. Not everyone can win all the time, his momentum is still there, if anything his frustration over not winning is keeping it all rolling, and when he snaps he's going to go nuts. The crowd are still begins him, and they're building this story nicely.
That right there is fan's biggest gripe with WWE; the constant "levelling out" of wins/losses.
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but this happened for a reason. It's not like they painted themselves into a corner without noticing or that it happened by accident and Ryback is suffering from it, it's their doing. If Ryback had turned out to be what they hoped him to be aka Goldberg, then he'd never be in the spot he's in now or they'd just keep having him kill people in hope that he "really catches on"/blows up. But it looks like they're going in a different direction/with a different approach.
You say all of this as if the current booking team is very competent and are capable of building a star like Goldberg at will as long as he just does his job...
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That right there is fan's biggest gripe with WWE; the constant "levelling out" of wins/losses.
That's true.

There's a big difference though between "can't win all the time" and using everyone to put everyone else over though. That kinda leaves everyone in a muddled mess and creates the mad scramble to build stars that WWE has been in lately because everyone's even.
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You say all of this as if the current booking team is very competent and are capable of building a star like Goldberg at will as long as he just does his job...
...they are. Booking team or not, Vince McMahon knows how to make a star. If Ryback was the next John Cena, he would know it by now and as a result, you can be sure as fuck we would too.
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You need guys who don't lose on a monthly basis to the point that when they lose, you say "HOLY FUCKING SHIT..."
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that's a by-product of the "6-7 hours of new TV per week plus the odd PPV" era more than anything. It's their own doing for sure but there's not a whole lot they can really do about it
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You need guys who don't lose on a monthly basis to the point that when they lose, you say "HOLY FUCKING SHIT..."
How did that work with Cena?
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...they are. Booking team or not, Vince McMahon knows how to make a star. If Ryback was the next John Cena, he'd know it by now and as a result, you can be sure as fuck we would too.
Vince knew how to make a star. If he was as capable of making one as you seem to think, John Cena could suffer a career ending injury tomorrow and the company would flow along just fine. Because they'd have built a star over the years that can fill in instantly and not leave them begging for the part-time guys to come work some more dates to fill in for the lack of star power.
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How did that work with Cena?
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What? Are you saying Cena never lost? Because despite the need to cling onto the "OMG CENA NEVER LOSES" gripe... he did. The only people bitching and trying to complain that he never lost were the ones who just aren't a fan of the character.
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