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Old 06-05-2013, 06:34 PM   #45161
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lol. He wasn't "stuck" in the Cruiserweight division any more than he would have been "stuck" in a lower-card division without a title to go after before. The man even fucking challenged for the WCW title against Ric Flair while he was "stuck" in the cruiserweight division. Having a division to be at the top of did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hamper him and in fact helped his career outside that division in the long run. How is this a bad thing? lol
We're not in WCW, we're in WWE. Rey had fantastic matches rubbing shoulders in the tag team division, but it was his work with Eddie Guerrero that hinted at something higher. I always believed Rey would eventually climb, but it was Eddie's passing that caused the trigger to be pulled, and Rey was booked pretty horribly.

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The guys with Main Event potential will always get out. They'll always find a way to catch on and crossover. Especially if you make that the intention of the Division.

I'd love a new Cruiserweight Divison (or something completely different to the current structure like the X Division or Hardcore Divisions were) as I think it'd give renewed focus to the lower card. The major benefit of using the smaller guys is that if Creative can't come up with anything storyline-wise the very least you get is a stellar match per show.

TNA are doing an interesting thing with their Triple Threat X Division setup that gets guys on TV, gives the audience a great 7-10 minute match and can lead to any number of angles if that's the way they wanna go.

Alternatively, you actually give focus back to the Tag Division with stoylines/promo time instead of these random matches here and there.
Disagreed. That would make the Cruiserweight Title a second tier title, and there are already two of those. Hell, arguably three, depending on how you view the World Heavyweight Championship these days. It wouldn't surprise me if it eventually becomes sort of like what the ECW Championship was after John Morrison held it.

Any championship can looking meaningful with the right champion, but they can be anchors in certain situations. I strongly believe that being Cruiserweight Champion would be an anchor to a smaller guy. I'm not against a championship being introduced that is "different" to the norm, but as I have said, I'd like it to be something that emphasises skill as opposed to size -- especially in a WWE where the average Superstar is getting smaller and smaller.

A WWE 15 Championship would be perfect. FCW did the concept and it really helped guys develop and show off their skills. The title would be defended in fifteen minute matches and the guy with the most falls is the champion. It's like the old WCW TV Title, but with a twist. You could even get some pretty major names holding it at different points in their careers. You could also put it on a bigger guy like TNA can do with the X-Division Championship.

I also hate that Three-Way rule thing TNA has with that title. At Slammiversary, it really could have just been Kenny King vs. Chris Sabin.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:39 PM   #45162
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Big E. Langston, AJ Lee and Dolph Ziggler are all pretty funny.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:41 PM   #45163
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:04 PM   #45164
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I do think that Langston would look really good if he switched to long pants. With yellow and black bee stripes on them. He can switch to tiger stripes for PPV and zebra stripes for WrestleMania. Maybe some leopard spots and an okapi theme can make an appearance one-off and make people go
"What?" before they disappear.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:06 PM   #45165
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I also think The Big Ending would look better if his opponent landed like they were taking a Stunner.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:08 PM   #45166
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The pre-show match at Payback should be Langston vs. Sin Cara. That would be fun. It can be advertised as Langston vs. Ricardo (the corner men facing off), but Ricardo can limp out on stage and pretend to have a leg injury, "as much as he wanted to fight Langston." He's found an opponent, though -- another Mexican legend -- Sin Cara! *Boom, tish-a, boom...ahhhh*
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:10 PM   #45167
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:48 PM   #45168
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We're not in WCW, we're in WWE. Rey had fantastic matches rubbing shoulders in the tag team division, but it was his work with Eddie Guerrero that hinted at something higher. I always believed Rey would eventually climb, but it was Eddie's passing that caused the trigger to be pulled, and Rey was booked pretty horribly.
None of this explains how a cruiserweight division HURT Mysterio. It doesn't matter what company it was in. It worked for guys who were talented but weren't really gonna be doing anything big. Having the division exist never... hurt... anyone. It gives guys who would otherwise be doing nothing at all exposure and something realistic to thrive for (being at the top of a division) while also having the option to move up still as they gain credibility. I'm still not seeing where this hurts anyone...
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I'm convinced big e is going to win the whc mitb and dolph will retain leading to awkwardness between ziggler, big e and aj
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #45170
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Start with "cut my music *long pause* what I'd like to have right now is.."
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:26 PM   #45171
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Big E getting rolled up by ADR on Monday was borderline NSFW.

Definitely needs to go back to his other attire that gives him more "coverage"
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:27 PM   #45172
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:28 PM   #45173
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:58 PM   #45174
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I'm in two minds whether to buy this T-Shirt or not.



The main thing stopping me from buying it right now is the fact that I'm not really that big a Sheamus fan at the moment. I like him but if he returns to the Sheamus I didn't really like not too long ago, where he would constantly tell those tall tales about Ireland and his ever growing family, while saying "Arse" every five minutes, then I doubt I'd wear the T-Shirt much, which in a way would be a waste of my money.
if you like the shirt, get it. I have a John Morrison shirt that I wear the remnants of (it's a vest now) quite regularly and John Morrison is fucking rotten
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:32 PM   #45175
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Sheamus does seem like the kind of douche that would brogue kick a man who just wants to cross the street in peace
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:11 PM   #45176
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Just had the enjoyment of some tool trying to troll me in twitter for using the term 'dirt sheet'. Well, not just me, seems he searches the word and tried to do the same to anyone who's used the word.

Silly bastard had nothing on the people we encounter here though..... And then his account just seemed to be blocked or something. Was quite enjoying myself until he left me alone because I wouldn't bite like the others.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:01 AM   #45177
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None of this explains how a cruiserweight division HURT Mysterio. It doesn't matter what company it was in. It worked for guys who were talented but weren't really gonna be doing anything big. Having the division exist never... hurt... anyone. It gives guys who would otherwise be doing nothing at all exposure and something realistic to thrive for (being at the top of a division) while also having the option to move up still as they gain credibility. I'm still not seeing where this hurts anyone...
It wastes their time and is a nonsensical "goal" to have if the real goal is to move away from the title and onto better things. Name one wrestler who is a success story in the WWE because of the Cruiserweight Championship. I can list plenty of cruiserweights who never really recovered from being seen as "jobbers" after stints as cruiserweights.

Having a Cruiserweight Title in today's day and age would be like having a "Saturday Morning Slam Championship." By winning the title, the guy doesn't actually get much other than a likely spot on Saturday Morning Slam instead of on Main Event or SmackDown. At least an SMS Championship could be held by any guy and wouldn't necessarily be for "small guys." If you wanted small guys to fight over it, you could just have small guys fight over it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:02 AM   #45178
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I think Del Rio needs to change his attire too. He still looks like a heel wrestling in them.
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if you like the shirt, get it. I have a John Morrison shirt that I wear the remnants of (it's a vest now) quite regularly and John Morrison is fucking rotten
You don't like Morrison, CSL? I'd really like him to come back and team with Miz. They could make interesting opponents for The Shield.
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The main thing stopping me from buying it right now is the fact that I'm not really that big a Sheamus fan at the moment. I like him but if he returns to the Sheamus I didn't really like not too long ago, where he would constantly tell those tall tales about Ireland and his ever growing family, while saying "Arse" every five minutes, then I doubt I'd wear the T-Shirt much, which in a way would be a waste of my money.
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That's a pretty good shirt and better than anything the WWE has really put out for Sheamus.
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It wastes their time and is a nonsensical "goal" to have if the real goal is to move away from the title and onto better things. Name one wrestler who is a success story in the WWE because of the Cruiserweight Championship. I can list plenty of cruiserweights who never really recovered from being seen as "jobbers" after stints as cruiserweights.
The real goal isn't necessarily to have them move on. If they do, awesome. You've gotten a guy recognition through means of the division and people want to see him fight the "main" guys. Tyson Kidd may never amount to anything. Justin Gabriel may never amount to anything. It's clear that the company has issues knowing what to do with guys like them who are fun to watch in the ring but aren't really guys to be taken seriously in the main card. You act like these guys aren't jobbers now and suddenly if they actually compete in a cruiserweight division, THEN they're gonna be jobbers. That's ridiculous. They're jobbers now. lol Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guererro... all got recognition from being in the division in WCW and used it as a launching pad. Hell, Dean Malenko owes any success he really ever had to the fact that he thrived in the cruiserweight division.

It's funny that you're so against a cruiserweight division but so for the FCW 15 title to come to WWE. Like adding a gimmick is what suddenly negates all these issues you seem to have.
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Having a Cruiserweight Title in today's day and age would be like having a "Saturday Morning Slam Championship."
Except you could actually showcase the title matches on Raw/Smackdown and give them exposure. Kind of a big difference there.
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You don't like Morrison, CSL? I'd really like him to come back and team with Miz. They could make interesting opponents for The Shield.
nah. Looked like a million dollars when he was on the gear and is a good looking guy, is ridiculously athletic/clearly has a fuckload of talent etc but his offense is horrible, the flimsy limp arm flailing shit he does kills me, he's beyond bland and his ring attire is badbadbad. But he seems like a "really cool guy", has apparently worked on his acting skills/knows he has shortcomings and so on, has a bit of name value which not many guys that aren't on TV do, if he goes back to Vince and reinvents himself/stops doing the dumb shit, I could become a fan
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I like John Morrison a lot, one of the worst clotheslines ever though. Also Starship Pain never worked out at all and he should've used that sweet knee in the face for a finish.
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nah. Looked like a million dollars when he was on the gear and is a good looking guy, is ridiculously athletic/clearly has a fuckload of talent etc but his offense is horrible, the flimsy limp arm flailing shit he does kills me, he's beyond bland and his ring attire is badbadbad. But he seems like a "really cool guy", has apparently worked on his acting skills/knows he has shortcomings and so on, has a bit of name value which not many guys that aren't on TV do, if he goes back to Vince and reinvents himself/stops doing the dumb shit, I could become a fan
I can dig that. I dunno, most of the annoying shit I noticed about Morrison I always assumed was the company's fault. It's like they wanted him to do moves, cut promos and be this babyface that he just wasn't. His work on SmackDown and ECW was just amazing stuff and his character was his own then. Didn't smile like a goof all the time and cut watery promos.

Morrison worked so well for years as a heel, come to think of it -- debuting with Mercury in MNM. For some reason I think of him as such a face, but he really made a several year career out of being an asshole.
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I can dig that. I dunno, most of the annoying shit I noticed about Morrison I always assumed was the company's fault. It's like they wanted him to do moves, cut promos and be this babyface that he just wasn't. His work on SmackDown and ECW was just amazing stuff and his character was his own then. Didn't smile like a goof all the time and cut watery promos.

Morrison worked so well for years as a heel, come to think of it -- debuting with Mercury in MNM. For some reason I think of him as such a face, but he really made a several year career out of being an asshole.
actually really liked him as goofy Johnny Nitro/Bischoff's lackey, didn't mind him in MNM and with Miz or during his "IT couple" stuff with Melina, thought he was pretty "ehhhh" on ECW after the "re-birth" and just went to shit as soon as he split from Miz/turned babyface/was given any hint of the ball. Basically as soon as he had nothing to hide behind I think he was pretty much "exposed", while Miz went from strength to strength, Morrison just couldn't put it together
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Just a random Paige video. I love this girl. I actually think she could be money for the WWE. I'm very optimistic about the potential female performers have to draw ever since I saw the early Knockouts Division in TNA. Give Paul Heyman the book over the girls or something, and have them work within their own universe a little bit. Once you start booking the girls rightly, you can perhaps even entice performers like Trish Stratus, Lita, Beth Phoenix and Kharma to think about coming back and really juicing the division up. They've got that Total Divas show, which could be the perfect chance to start using the girls properly, even if they sort of exist in their own universe a little bit over there at the start. Just try to keep Cameron and Aksana out of each other's reach for a little bit.

I've always felt that the Divas Division just lacked characters. Very slowly there seems to be an injection of individuality to some of the girls, however. It won't happen overnight, but with RAW being three hours, I really think a feud between Summer Rae and Paige would be perfect filler between male segments.

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Now is also a pretty perfect time to call up Paige. Have her debut just after Payback, where Fandango wins the IC Title from Barrett by pinning The Miz after a Flying Leg Drop. Barrett is furious and obviously wants a one-on-one match with Fandango.

Paige debuts and defeats some heel in her first match. How about an arrogant Nikki Bella? Paige rolls her up after The Bellas get cocky and after the match the twins attack Paige and Natalya runs to the ring and clears them off, being a random face Diva (who has a problem with The Bellas mocking her on her birthday). On a match taped for Total Divas, Natalya & Paige defeat The Bellas when Natalya locks in a Sharpshooter on one of the girls and Paige intercepts the other and locks her in a modified Texas cloverleaf.

Paige catches the eye of Wade Barrett who says it's great to see a Norwich girl kicking some butt in the WWE. Paige thanks Wade and they go their separate ways. Fandango and Summer Rae then bump into Paige and Summer calls Paige "pasty" or something like that. Summer then ends up in the bad books with Paige and the two fight a few times and that involves Fandango and Barrett. Eventually SummerSlam rolls around and Paige is in the corner of Barrett as he squares off with Fandango for the Intercontinental Title. Paige and Summer brawl and in the chaos, Barrett nails Fandango with a Bullhammer and becomes a four-time Intercontinental Champion and wins his first title as a babyface. Wade and Paige celebrate in the ring and maybe even have an odd romantic moment together where Wade feels bad because of his age over the young girl. "What would you want with a piece of human garbage like me anyway?" Paige goes on to serve as some sort of redemption for the "beast" within Wade Barrett.
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You can sign up for free and they post the TV episodes every Thursday. Episode airs on TV on Saturday, and then they put it online on Thursday.
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Stephanie McMahon vs. Paige would make an interesting feud in the same vein that Austin vs. McMahon worked. Paige is the "Anti-Diva" right? You just have earn Stephanie's ire by basically representing things that the "Billion Dollar Princess" hates. Paige is all leather, rock music, refuses to dress up for promotional material, has the "wrong British accent" by Stephanie's standards.

Steph can be whinging about her as Triple H is preparing for a a rare match and she can ask Triple H about her. "Don't you just hate her guts?" and Triple H can say "Nah. Actually, I think she's kinda cute," and that can tip Stephanie over the edge.

It wouldn't be the storyline on Monday Night RAW, but it could turn Paige into an important female character, similar to how AJ Lee was an important character last year.

You can even do a screwjob where Steph comes out and rings the bell as heel Divas Champion, AJ Lee, has a Black Widow on Paige and Steph rings the bell. Do that at the PPV after SummerSlam, whatever that one is.
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actually really liked him as goofy Johnny Nitro/Bischoff's lackey, didn't mind him in MNM and with Miz or during his "IT couple" stuff with Melina, thought he was pretty "ehhhh" on ECW after the "re-birth" and just went to shit as soon as he split from Miz/turned babyface/was given any hint of the ball. Basically as soon as he had nothing to hide behind I think he was pretty much "exposed", while Miz went from strength to strength, Morrison just couldn't put it together
It seems that his transformation into Morrison, which was ironically meant to make him seem more like an important player, where he lost you.
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I liked his flirt with the main event he had while a face.

He had a really good match with Sheamus at TLC to win the #1 Contendership, and then fought The Miz in a couple of good matches on RAW.
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I liked his flirt with the main event he had while a face.

He had a really good match with Sheamus at TLC to win the #1 Contendership, and then fought The Miz in a couple of good matches on RAW.
That was his really hot period. His work at TLC, the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber pretty much stole the show. Then he was rude to Trish Stratus, allegedly, and that might have slowed his push down. I really think that, in a perfect world, WrestleMania XXVII could have marked a huge upswing for Morrison. Imagine if he, Trish and Snooki had won the match against Ziggler and LayCool, then Trish and Morrison made out for a bit. Morrison would have looked like a god.

The stuff with R-Truth could have still happened, but a jealous R-Truth could have been defeated by his partner and turned heel, costing Morrison the WWE Championship when he did challenge. Barring an injury happening, Morrison could have then beaten R-Truth and bounced right back. He could have looked like a great option for potential Money in the Bank Winner around that period.
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