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Old 07-18-2008, 08:18 PM   #521
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This isn't only the best comic book movie I've seen, it's not only the best movie of the year, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
In all honesty, that was un-fucking believable.

The Joker is beyond epic. One of the most amazing performances I've ever seen in anything and one of the absolute best movie villians.
Ledger's Joker ascends the ranks with Darth Vader and Hanibal Lecter
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:56 PM   #522
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I mentioned this in my spoilers which is why you probably didn't see it Kirk but yeah, there are plenty of Killing Joke references, undertones and moments.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:49 PM   #523
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Question for those who have seen the movie...

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When Joker told Batman where Arthur and Rachael were...did he switch the two on Bruce, so he went to the wrong place? Or did he change his mind and actually choose to save Dent?
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^ I assume it was the joker joking around
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This isn't only the best comic book movie I've seen, it's not only the best movie of the year, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
In all honesty, that was un-fucking believable.

The Joker is beyond epic. One of the most amazing performances I've ever seen in anything and one of the absolute best movie villians.
Ledger's Joker ascends the ranks with Darth Vader and Hanibal Lecter
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:36 PM   #526
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I'm gonna write a proper review another time, but for now.

Compelling. If there is no Batman-Nolan 3 I will still be satisfied with this movie. It outclasses the superhero genre as a whole IMO. Joker was great, but I'd like to give it up to Harvey Dent/Two-Face. This was his origin story all the way, masterfully done. In no way did the movie 'spiral out of control' with a wacky third act (that even Begins is guilty of). All in all, I loved it. I will watch it again.
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Question for those who have seen the movie...

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When Joker told Batman where Arthur and Rachael were...did he switch the two on Bruce, so he went to the wrong place? Or did he change his mind and actually choose to save Dent?

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He purposely gave Batman the opposite directions because he knew that Batman would go after Rachel. The Joker needed Rachel to die and for Harvey to blame Batman so that he could finish turning Dent. This is why Batman is blamed for Dent's killings in the end: to undo what Joker did.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:45 AM   #528
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Amazing movie. I hate comic book movies with a passion but I always love Batman movies for some reason. This one was tremendous and Heath Ledger was incredible. Every time he was on the screen it was ridiculously entertaining.
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OMG

Dunno what to say.

Fuck. Best movie ever.
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I saw it tonight. I thought Ledger and Dent were phenomenol.
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batman's voice was kinda eh at times and I know what he was doing but I mean...
excellent twists and turns. Excellent make you think moments. Really beautiful all around. I don't know if it was the best film ever as some are claiming but it was pretty damn amazing nonetheless. 10/10 for sure
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Clox, that could not even be considered a mild spoiler.
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I mentioned this in my spoilers which is why you probably didn't see it Kirk but yeah, there are plenty of Killing Joke references, undertones and moments.
Sweet, thank you Mitchell. Might do a double-bill with this and Hellboy 2 in a couple weeks, not sure yet.
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I've never done this before, but I might go see this again tonight, which would make it three consecutive theater viewings in three days.

I can't get The Joker out of my mind. He's up there on screen saying things that I used to think and feel, and it's such an amazing performance and the scenes with him and Batman and the Crime bosses are just so intensely satisfying.

I am addicted to this movie, I think.
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this movie made the top of my penis moist.
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Just got back a little while ago. Best movie I've seen in a long time. Heath Ledger gave the performance of his life, and should get an Oscar nod.

And to any DC Comics top brass who may read this. Congratulations, you broke the one-day opening record. If this break every record in the books, I suggest you give the Nolan Bros. seats on the Board or a good chunk of stock within the company. Because they probably just saved you ass.

And one thing that I kept asking myself after the movie was over, you think Chris and John Nolan could have gone the extra mile and go with an R rating? Or do you think DC told them to mellow it out to bring in all the kiddies. Because I thought this came REALLY close.
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The 'pencil trick' is probably the most shocking thing I've ever seen in a PG13 movie, but no point going for an R for the sake of it. And I have to say this movie the highest body count of any DC movie to date. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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so people are saying

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Johnny Depp might take over Joker's role in a third Batman and honestly that's about the only person I can see doing it justice. They kind of shot themselves in the foot by killing of Two Face (although they can always bring him back) and not killing Joker (although that might have been to remniscent of the Nicholson Joker.) It's a tragedy on many levels, hopefully if they do bring in someone it is Depp. I can't really see a better person.

The only other way the could go in my opinion is have Joker do some mass suicide off camera or from far away at the beginning of the film
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Or we can not have Mr. J in the next film. Problem solved.
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Kalyx, that's a spoiler, people who haven't seen it don't know if he's alive or dead, even the mere assumption that he could be in it means he's not dead
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There were multiple articles asking if Ledger's death did anything to alter the Joker's fate in the movie. If Joker died, the answer would have answered itself.

And coming in this 'official' thread not expecting a spoiler is asking for one.

These movie threads have phases; the announcement/speculation period, the reaction to news period, the group therapy 'its about to open' period, and finally the post viewing review period.

I always seen it has an unwritten rule with this kind of thread.
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I saw a sneak peek on Wednesday and I haven't stopped thinking about it. It is one of my Fave movies ever.
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Aaron Eckhart stole the fucking show, crazy good performance. Ledger was also entertaining.
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They may have had a funeral for "Harvey Dent." It may not mean that "Two Face" is dead.
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I also felt his positioning was rather vague.
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Lol as of me posting this The Dark Knight is number 1 overall on IMdb's top 250 films list.

I'm sure that will change in the next few days, but I don't think I have seen that before.
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There were multiple articles asking if Ledger's death did anything to alter the Joker's fate in the movie. If Joker died, the answer would have answered itself.

And coming in this 'official' thread not expecting a spoiler is asking for one.

These movie threads have phases; the announcement/speculation period, the reaction to news period, the group therapy 'its about to open' period, and finally the post viewing review period.

I always seen it has an unwritten rule with this kind of thread.
Nah people come into these after the release to see if people enjoyed it or not. And now that we have the spoiler tag theres really no excuse.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:12 PM   #551
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Too busy to see it this weekend. Gonna have to wait.
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Still have to wait a few more days for it over here. Can't fucking wait!!
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Seriously Kalyx.. until this movie has been out for a while, you can fuck off with that kind of talk. Some of us haven't been able to see it yet, but I am still pumped by the fact that people are raving about it and I'd still like to keep seeing opinions without getting even the smallest parts spoiled. Use the spoiler button or black that shit out.
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The depth of the film is incredible. I heard people complaining afterwards about there not being any "real" story to the movie, and I couldn't believe my ears. The entire movie and every plotline and development can be traced back to one statement: "Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

That is Batman's entire role in this film. He's not going to die (i.e. take off his mask), and by doing that, he causes Joker to kill and for his best friend to die. He has to become a villain in the end to justify the REAL hero.

Harvey Dent is the real hero, but he's lived long enough to become the villain. Perfect and most obvious tie in.

Rachel Dawes died a hero. Gordon "died" as a hero.

The people on the boats were making the same choice. Either they let themselves die as "heroes" by not killing the people on the other boat, or they live long enough to see themselves become villains, i.e. they kill the people on the other boat. Simple really.

Again, amazing film. There are so many more depths to it but this is the top-most theme throughout and it was incredibly well done. I can't wait to go see it again to see if I can't find more of them.
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I am simply speechless right now.... For me Ledger's performance is one of the few times i've seen where the fine line between the actor and the role their playing is blurred. Every time Ledger was on screen I didn't see an actor reciting lines, I saw a dark and twisted homicidal maniac with no regard for human life... even his own.
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I loved this movie. I've seen it twice, and really I think I liked it more the second time since there were a few scenes that, at least for me, were a little confusing the first time around.

I think King Tut should be the villian in the third one.
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Fucking great movie. To be honest, I feel the Ledger performance is overrated. Now, I'm an Australian, so I have a national pride in the man for kicking ass, and The Joker did kick-ass (the pencil trick was the first time I heard anyone applaud in a movie cinema), but I think a character like The Joker is a) way too fun to fuck up, and b) has such great writing and ambiance behind it. I don't want to sell Ledger short. Great performance, and a crazy fun villain, but I don't think he deserves an Oscar, especially when I feel that there were actually stronger performances (substance-wise, if not style-wise) in the movie.

Aaron Eckhart was fucking incredible. Harvey Dent was an amazing character. Everything about him was in perfect tone. I loved the emphasis they placed early on Dent being right handed, only to have Two-Face become a lefty. That was great shit. I loved the way he went above and beyond as Gotham's DA. The scene where the cops were applauding him as he was getting into the back of the truck was just so cool, in my opinion.

Aaron Eckhart deserves just as much kudos as Ledger, in my opinion. His scenes in the hospital were great. He gave me a legit scare several times. Horrifying stuff. I also love the dark twist on the Two-Face character.

I personally feel they should bring The Joker character back. Heath Ledger breathed such a good life into the character that it shouldn't just be discarded. Johnny Depp taking over would be fantastic, but one idea I would have to suggest is that Jake Gyllenhall get the role. He's a tremendous young actor, and he's good friends with Heath Ledger. His sister was also in the previous movie. It'd feel more like a tribute to Heath than an insult to have Jake take over the role. He's talented enough to get the best out of it, too.

Depp would make a fantastic Riddler, or something. Isn't he rumoured to be the villain in the next one? I've also read some people who theorize that Bane was the big black guy on the boat, and that Two-Face is still alive. I have several theories about Two-Face:

The first is that he is dead, simply because I can't think of where the character could go. He was awesome and everything, but the transformation was what worked so great about it. By the end of the movie, Two-Face was just flipping a coin and shooting people. Yeah, it was cool when he shot the driver after putting on his seat belt, but he's got no power anymore. Dent dying does seem like a fitting end to the movie.

On the other, the movie was perfectly constructed. The direction was nigh-perfect, and I have to ask why Batman fell from the same height Dent did if not to show that it is possible to fall from that height and survive? Maybe they just felt like having a scene by the edge of the water, or something, but I can't see Nolan including that little detail for no reason other than to prove that it is possible Dent was not killed by the fall.

It'll be interesting to see what does happen, because you have to believe that there will be a third if Nolan wants, considering The Dark Knight has done so well.

The next movie should probably take plot points from The Dark Knight Returns. Instead of being set in the distant future, I can see it just being a few years down the track. Gotham is in a state of chaos, with a new villain running things (Bane?). Harvey Dent survived his fall, but there was a cover-up into his death, but he has accepted surgery and can now be the hero Gotham needs. The Joker is laying dormant at Arkham, and is convincing his young, female psychiatrist that he is cured. I could also see the Selina Kyle character being introduced, and inspired by Batman to become The Catwoman.
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