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Old 02-03-2016, 07:04 PM   #721
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Triple H is going to get cheered at WrestleMania and Roman Reigns is going to get booed, even if The Rock helps him. Hell, maybe ESPECIALLY if The Rock helps him.
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:04 PM   #722
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But the WWE will force it because reasons.
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:06 PM   #723
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It doesn't even make sense. The Authority hate Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose. What do they do? They put Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose in a situation where they can earn a title match. Smrt!
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:08 PM   #724
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"But Brock Lesnar is in there too!"

Why are The Authority on Brock Lesnar's side? The least of three evils? Do you really think The Authority want Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania? Triple H could explain it with a promo talking about how he wants to prove he can beat a healthy Brock, but he hasn't done that.

Plus Ambrose & Reigns can team-up to take out Brock first.

This is so fucking stupid.
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:22 PM   #725
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Stuff like that is why the WWE needs some sort of continuity manager in Creative. Way too many times they do stuff that makes no sense story wise or contradicts stuff already established.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:33 PM   #726
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There is this line of thinking that smarks are overly critical and such, but the current WWE product is bad television in that it doesn't make sense. I think stuff like that scares off more people than Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn realize.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:39 PM   #727
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Two guys telling a story in the ring is appealing to hardcore fans. If the characters and story aren't hashed out and there's no heat or drama behind it, why would a casual fan give a shit?

And I like that you brought up HHH-Roman. Didn't you hype Roman's title win as a huge personal victory. "I told you guys WWE knows how to build a star! Proved it tonight!" How's that momentum going?
What is your question? How is Reigns momentum going? Read house show reports online, he's the most over guy on the show. RAW is the highest rated regularly scheduled program on cable every week. So yeah its going well.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:41 PM   #728
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I believe that has all been addressed.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:43 PM   #729
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Raw set another all-time record low for the era for a non-football season broadcast last night averaging 3.37 million viewers.

8 p.m. 3.59 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.46 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.09 million viewers

Damn, that 3rd hour drop. No one gives a shit about the main event at all.
Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:37 PM   #730
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Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.
God you are pathetic lol
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:42 PM   #731
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Still the most watched show for the night on cable outside of the voting stuff.
And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with?

What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.

God you're a fucking idiot.
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And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with?

What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.
It doesn't matter according to CyNick. As that's not currently the situation WWE is in, they're doing great.

Of course, they're doing great by default and not because the product is actually good, consistent, compelling television. If WWE had any real competition, they'd be screwed if they were continually putting out the crap they have been.

Of course, WWE is only one great competitor's show away from finding themselves in a scenario where they'll have to really fight to compete, and not necessarily a wrestling competitor's show either.
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They get beaten every week by Love and Hip Hop when it comes to the 18-49 demo.

Kinda just backs up my point that they'll be alright writing nonsensical, horrifically bad television because children will just watch for the pretty lights, explosions and violence. CyNick being so proud of it on WWE's behalf is hilarious.
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Old 02-04-2016, 12:02 PM   #734
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The production of the show isn't too bad. It's super tight for the most part. There are just too many flat segments where I could see your average fan tuning out for something better aka a Seinfeld rerun. I just don't get why it's so hard to grasp that maybe Vince and Kevin stepping back would be a good thing to put new life into the product.

As Cynick pointed out, staying on top for decades makes it impossible to keep up real hype and quality. Just because you CAN exist in this landscape doesn't mean you should. At 70 years old, Vince should be looking to retire and enjoy the fruits of his Labour.
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And what is it going up against that makes that at all something to be happy with?

What if they had to compete with their flagship show on an actual prime time television night? Where would they rank.

God you're a fucking idiot.
I'm not sure your point here. I dont even think you know your own point, you're so out of your element in this discussion. Every night has prime time. Are you trying to say Monday isn't the largest night for TV viewing?

They compete against everything on TV. Specific to RAW, its against whatever is on. TNT will often have basketball on, College Basketball this time of year on ESPN, NBC Sports has hockey, and then the other random shows on the rest of cable (Discovery, FX, etc). The point is RAW beats everything they compete against (except MNF when its in season) and special programming. This past week for example, the cable news channels saw a massive bump in ratings (CNN was 3X their normal numbers) because of the election coverage. May be shocking to learn, but possibly some of RAW's viewers were more concerned about who is going to potentially lead their country vs. the Dolph Ziggler-Kevin Owens match.

This past Monday RAW was the most watched show among men 18-49 and men 12-34. Thats a massive success. Its a WIN for the night in the TV business. I dont know what else you expect of them.

USA has virtually no other programming in prime time that does big numbers. I remember doing some work related to this, and I believe the analysis showed USA only had one other show Monday-Friday that reached the top 100 shows in terms of ratings - which was Suits. Everything else is all WWE - either RAW or Smackdown. But I know, I dont know what I'm talking about. And I know, RAW "should be doing a 7.0". I sometimes wish it was 1999 too, but its not.
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It doesn't matter according to CyNick. As that's not currently the situation WWE is in, they're doing great.

Of course, they're doing great by default and not because the product is actually good, consistent, compelling television. If WWE had any real competition, they'd be screwed if they were continually putting out the crap they have been.

Of course, WWE is only one great competitor's show away from finding themselves in a scenario where they'll have to really fight to compete, and not necessarily a wrestling competitor's show either.
Why is it a guarantee that people will watch WWE? I watch WWE, but its not because Mark Henry shows up to my house and threatens to break my neck if I dont watch. Its funny watching you guys chase your tails about this issue. More people watch WWE every week, than just about any other form of entertainment. More people watch WWE than NBA on a regular basis, more than MLB, more than NCAA, NHL, not to mention most of the random shows on cable. But somehow those shows are successful and WWE isnt, because for some reason WWE fans only watch because they have to. Makes no sense.
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They get beaten every week by Love and Hip Hop when it comes to the 18-49 demo.

Kinda just backs up my point that they'll be alright writing nonsensical, horrifically bad television because children will just watch for the pretty lights, explosions and violence. CyNick being so proud of it on WWE's behalf is hilarious.
Women.

Men are the more coveted demo. WWE wins there, and its not even close. And in terms of overall viewers, RAW again wins.
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The production of the show isn't too bad. It's super tight for the most part. There are just too many flat segments where I could see your average fan tuning out for something better aka a Seinfeld rerun. I just don't get why it's so hard to grasp that maybe Vince and Kevin stepping back would be a good thing to put new life into the product.

As Cynick pointed out, staying on top for decades makes it impossible to keep up real hype and quality. Just because you CAN exist in this landscape doesn't mean you should. At 70 years old, Vince should be looking to retire and enjoy the fruits of his Labour.
But who says you have to watch all 190 minutes of the show. There are very few shows I sit through for 3 hours straight. I primarily watch sports, and its rare I watch a game from start to finish, I'm all over the dial. So to me when I see a decline in the 3rd hour of RAW, I dont see it as a big deal, its just that people have had their fill of sports entertainment. And also kids going to sleep. But it still shows interest in the product. Its just USA wants the extra hour of prime time programming, and are willing to pay a premium for it. So who is WWE to pass up the cash?
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Why is it a guarantee that people will watch WWE? I watch WWE, but its not because Mark Henry shows up to my house and threatens to break my neck if I dont watch. Its funny watching you guys chase your tails about this issue. More people watch WWE every week, than just about any other form of entertainment. More people watch WWE than NBA on a regular basis, more than MLB, more than NCAA, NHL, not to mention most of the random shows on cable. But somehow those shows are successful and WWE isnt, because for some reason WWE fans only watch because they have to. Makes no sense.
Because there's no competition for them on Monday nights. This is evidenced by the fact that they get beat by a show on VH1.

Who/what are they competing with exactly during those three hours that has any significant mainstream buzz/appeal?

In addition to college football and the NFL, I can think of numerous other shows that I hear people talk about more often and that have more mainstream appeal and buzz. Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, Gotham, American Horror Story, Fargo, Louie, Grey's Anatomy, How To Get Away With Murder, American Crime.

Granted only some of those are on in direct competition with Raw or SD, but none of them are regularly on for the full length of Raw or SD or have new episodes every week.

Some of these I've never even seen and have no desire to watch but I've heard great things. I've never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me I missed a great episode of Raw or SD. A segment maybe, but not an episode. I've also never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me or anyone else I need to start watching Raw or SD and that I or others were missing out. I work with and regularly hang out with tons of current and/or former WWE/pro wrestling fans too.

The point is, despite what you and the WWE would like to be true, all the shows I've listed are likely consistently better written, more compelling, interesting and definitely have more of a mainstream buzz/popularity than Raw or SD.
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But who says you have to watch all 190 minutes of the show. There are very few shows I sit through for 3 hours straight. I primarily watch sports, and its rare I watch a game from start to finish, I'm all over the dial. So to me when I see a decline in the 3rd hour of RAW, I dont see it as a big deal, its just that people have had their fill of sports entertainment. And also kids going to sleep. But it still shows interest in the product. Its just USA wants the extra hour of prime time programming, and are willing to pay a premium for it. So who is WWE to pass up the cash?
No one's saying you have to. The point is, if it was compelling enough, why would you change the channel? If I'm watching something that's truly compelling and entertaining me, like a great drama or action or sporting event, I'm highly unlikely to change the channel.

Raw and SD used to be so incredibly well written and compelling, to the point where I wouldn't miss it. When I rarely did have to miss it, it was a big deal that I didn't get to experience it live when it first aired. I either knew that something good was going to happen or that something unexpected/shocking was going to happen that either way, I'd regret not seeing live. That's no longer the case.

It actually became an inconvenience to watch it in its current state and I realized I have other things I'd rather do with my time. What's sad is, it doesn't have to be this way. As a fan for some 20 years, I want to watch it and enjoy it, all they have to do is write and book better.
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Women.

Men are the more coveted demo. WWE wins there, and its not even close. And in terms of overall viewers, RAW again wins.
Are you gonna blame women for Smackdown losing and Raw often running neck-and-neck in the same demographic to 15-year-old reruns of Family Guy, too?

Also, love that last sentence. You literally quoted me to blatantly ignore the entire last paragraph of my post. Usually you just awkwardly try to avoid drawing attention to things you wanna ignore. Amazing.
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Are you gonna blame women for Smackdown losing and Raw often running neck-and-neck in the same demographic to 15-year-old reruns of Family Guy, too?

Also, love that last sentence. You literally quoted me to blatantly ignore the entire last paragraph of my post. Usually you just awkwardly try to avoid drawing attention to things you wanna ignore. Amazing.
I don't even know what you're talking about with family guy. I haven't seen FG draw more viewers than RAW. I'm not saying its impossible, just havent seen it.

I quoted you because your statement was a combination of not true and ignorant. RAW draws more viewers than the hip hop show end of story. You're right that the rating is sometimes a decimal point higher than RAW. But if you look deeper into the numbers (which I do on a regular basis) you see RAW trounces them in the key demo. RAW also kills them in total viewers. You're hung up on the rating point thing. But if you're an advertiser you just want eyeballs. A show on VH1 might do a slightly higher rating but if fewer people are watching than the show on USA, you will pay more for the show on USA. Provided the demo splits are favorable, and as I've explained, they are for RAW.

And even if it wasnt, were essentially debating whether RAW is #1, #2, or #3 show week in week out. Considering the show is three hours plus the fact that they do better or on par ratings with other shows that are only 30 or 60 minutes, that's a massive massive win for WWE. Essentially USA's entire prime time lineup for Monday and Thursday is WWE. That's close to 40% of their weekday lineup. When WWE is on, USA is at or near the top of the daily ratings. When WWE is not on they are almost 100% shut out of the leaderboard.

That demonstrates WWE is putting on compelling television that people come back for week after week after week. Nobody else in the game is close to being as prolific as WWE is in that regard.
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Because there's no competition for them on Monday nights. This is evidenced by the fact that they get beat by a show on VH1.

Who/what are they competing with exactly during those three hours that has any significant mainstream buzz/appeal?

In addition to college football and the NFL, I can think of numerous other shows that I hear people talk about more often and that have more mainstream appeal and buzz. Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, Gotham, American Horror Story, Fargo, Louie, Grey's Anatomy, How To Get Away With Murder, American Crime.

Granted only some of those are on in direct competition with Raw or SD, but none of them are regularly on for the full length of Raw or SD or have new episodes every week.

Some of these I've never even seen and have no desire to watch but I've heard great things. I've never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me I missed a great episode of Raw or SD. A segment maybe, but not an episode. I've also never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me or anyone else I need to start watching Raw or SD and that I or others were missing out. I work with and regularly hang out with tons of current and/or former WWE/pro wrestling fans too.

The point is, despite what you and the WWE would like to be true, all the shows I've listed are likely consistently better written, more compelling, interesting and definitely have more of a mainstream buzz/popularity than Raw or SD.
A lot to deal with in that post.

First, RAW can only fairly be compared to other shows on cable on Monday. Walking Dead is on Sunday, I also believe some of the shows on your "buzz" list are on network. I don't want to even get into why that's a rediculous comparison.

Further to that, you're talking about mostly one hour shows that produce MAYBE 20 episodes per year. I guarantee if RAW only had to write 20 hours of content every 365 days it would be far more compelling.

You mentioned nobody mentions episodes of RAW or SD. Even when I was coming up during the Attitude Era, I never heard ANYONE ever say RAW was compelling and can't miss. At BEST the odd person would say "hey did you see that guy stone cold driving a beer truck, thst was jokes, not that I watch that shit". I've been a fan of this product for north of 30 years, it's always had more of an underground following than being on par with something like American Idol that everyone is taking about at school or work. So i feel like you're holding the current product to a standard that has never been achieved.

The proof to me that is still compelling is that nothing or check that, very few shows they compete with can beat them. That tells me they are among the most compelling shows on TV on that night. That's a success.
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No one's saying you have to. The point is, if it was compelling enough, why would you change the channel? If I'm watching something that's truly compelling and entertaining me, like a great drama or action or sporting event, I'm highly unlikely to change the channel.

Raw and SD used to be so incredibly well written and compelling, to the point where I wouldn't miss it. When I rarely did have to miss it, it was a big deal that I didn't get to experience it live when it first aired. I either knew that something good was going to happen or that something unexpected/shocking was going to happen that either way, I'd regret not seeing live. That's no longer the case.

It actually became an inconvenience to watch it in its current state and I realized I have other things I'd rather do with my time. What's sad is, it doesn't have to be this way. As a fan for some 20 years, I want to watch it and enjoy it, all they have to do is write and book better.
Counting just RAW and SD that's 5 hours per week. What other episodic show do you invest 5 hours per week into? Hell i love WWE and it's rare I watch all of RAW and all of SD in a given week. I'm doing other stuff. Doesn't mean i don't enjoy when i do watch.
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I don't even know what you're talking about with family guy. I haven't seen FG draw more viewers than RAW. I'm not saying its impossible, just havent seen it.
This is definitely going in the "CyNick has the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader" mega post...
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First, RAW can only fairly be compared to other shows on cable on Monday. Walking Dead is on Sunday
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Even when I was coming up during the Attitude Era, I never heard ANYONE ever say RAW was compelling and can't miss. At BEST the odd person would say "hey did you see that guy stone cold driving a beer truck, thst was jokes, not that I watch that shit". I've been a fan of this product for north of 30 years, it's always had more of an underground following than being on par with something like American Idol that everyone is taking about at school or work. So i feel like you're holding the current product to a standard that has never been achieved.
Then you're as big of a fucking moron as we all think you are.

If you actually think that folks weren't talking about Raw and SD being can't miss television and that WWE didn't have more mainstream appeal, buzz and exposure during the Attitude era days, then you're a moron, because you either weren't paying attention, have a horrible memory or are being intentionally dense.

Was it all great? No of course not. No show is perfect. The fact is though, WWE had substantially more much mainstream appeal and buzz because of the quality of the writing/booking/product back then. The shows of today that I listed have more mainstream buzz and appeal than Raw or SD because their quality is better.

The fact that WWE has to write 5 hours of television a week is a cop out for laziness and ineptitude by the folks in charge. The fact is the poor quality wouldn't (and shouldn't) be tolerated in another competitive company or with a CEO who wasn't so arrogant and/or out of touch.
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What other episodic show do you invest 5 hours per week into? Hell i love WWE and it's rare I watch all of RAW and all of SD in a given week. I'm doing other stuff. Doesn't mean i don't enjoy when i do watch.
I used to regularly watch 4+ hours of WWE every week because it was compelling, interesting and entertaining. I was probably busier back then than I am now too, or at least I had less freedom to set my own schedule, etc. than I do now.

I no longer watch any first/live airings of WWE programming and haven't since the Raw after last years Mania. I did catch Rock's segment this past week on the Raw replay because it had some good buzz about it.

I just can't be bothered to care about a product when there's only 1 or two 10-15 minute segments out of 5 hours of programming every week that might be entertaining to me. I'm not going to bother record and watch the whole show to hope for a good segment and I'm definitely not going to record a whole show and skip through to watch one segment every week.

The only reason I did it this week is because it The Rock and he brings the goods 99% of the time. If they had more segments that were actually compelling or entertaining every week, I'd be much more inclined to do so.
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
On average dude, on average. I never once said every single TV show is down.

Walking Dead is no different than sports entertainment in the late 90s and early 2000s. You have hardcore fans who follow the show because they were aware of the comics. Then you have a large portion of their viewing audience that is more casual because TWD is the in show. Most TV shows though get in and get out, because they know its next to impossible to be the #1 rated show week in and week out like WWE is.

For record, I never said, nor do I believe WWE would beat TWD is ratings if they were on Sunday. But I just dont think its fair to compare what a show gets on one day and compare it to a show on another day. Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
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Then you're as big of a fucking moron as we all think you are.

If you actually think that folks weren't talking about Raw and SD being can't miss television and that WWE didn't have more mainstream appeal, buzz and exposure during the Attitude era days, then you're a moron, because you either weren't paying attention, have a horrible memory or are being intentionally dense.

Was it all great? No of course not. No show is perfect. The fact is though, WWE had substantially more much mainstream appeal and buzz because of the quality of the writing/booking/product back then. The shows of today that I listed have more mainstream buzz and appeal than Raw or SD because their quality is better.

The fact that WWE has to write 5 hours of television a week is a cop out for laziness and ineptitude by the folks in charge. The fact is the poor quality wouldn't (and shouldn't) be tolerated in another competitive company or with a CEO who wasn't so arrogant and/or out of touch.
Maybe in your hometown WWE and WCW were all the rage at schools and on the street. Where I grew up, very few people even mentioned it. I knew 2 or 3 guys who were big fans in high school, and that was it. 90210 was trendy and people talked about it. Sports was always big and talked about. But not sports entertainment. Dont get all pissy because you had a different experience.

LOL I'm guessing you have never done anything creative in your life. So I'm not sure you are the go to expert on judging how easy or difficult it is to write 5 hours of television every week.

Quality in the arts is subjective. The only things that matters for a TV show is A) are people watching - Yes big time for WWE B) are the right people watching - Yes #1 in key demo and C) can the network sell ad space on your show - Yes Yes Yes!

We get it, you dont like the show. You like the Murderer show or whatever. Cool man. Lots of people still enjoy RAW every week. Smackdown too!
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Smackdown this week was #1 18-49.

3rd in viewership to two US presidential debate focused shows. Both skewed with massive numbers for people 50+

Was looking at some other numbers. NBA Gane of the night did almost a 1/3 of the viewers of SD. So I guess the NBA is producing a terrible product. No sign of Family Guy re-runs.
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On average dude, on average. I never once said every single TV show is down.
You've used it as an excuse for why WWE's ratings are down. Walking Dead's ratings have consistently gone up. Tends to happen when you keep your product compelling. You draw in more viewers instead of losing them at a steady pace. CyNick doesn't comprehend well example #374.

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Walking Dead is no different than sports entertainment in the late 90s and early 2000s. You have hardcore fans who follow the show because they were aware of the comics. Then you have a large portion of their viewing audience that is more casual because TWD is the in show. Most TV shows though get in and get out, because they know its next to impossible to be the #1 rated show week in and week out like WWE is.

For record, I never said, nor do I believe WWE would beat TWD is ratings if they were on Sunday. But I just dont think its fair to compare what a show gets on one day and compare it to a show on another day. Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
You can keep asserting that the night of the week makes it unfair all you want. Your inability to actually give a reason is pretty telling though. If Raw were on Friday or Saturday nights, then you might have a point. There's no discernible difference between Monday and Sunday that would viewership plummet from one night to another. It's comparable. I know it's uncomfortable for you to admit but it is.

And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-49 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
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Its actually funny that some people on here are so desperate to prove this "WWE is doing terrible in terms of ratings" narrative that they have to pick shows from other days of the week and shows on Network TV to use as "evidence" that WWE is struggling. The beginning and end of the story should be "WWE is #1 in viewership most weeks and they are #1 in the most important demo to advertisers". But some people have problems accepting the truth.
Shut the fuck up you idiot.

Nobody thinks they are doing "terrible", they are just pulling mediocre MEH ratings because they can just maintain the status quo and that's okay for their bottom line.

You are honestly a giant piece of shit. Just go away already.
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And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-34 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
Well I don't know how you expect him to acknowledge your facts with all that dickcheese in his mouth.
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Smackdown this week was #1 18-49.

3rd in viewership to two US presidential debate focused shows. Both skewed with massive numbers for people 50+

Was looking at some other numbers. NBA Gane of the night did almost a 1/3 of the viewers of SD. So I guess the NBA is producing a terrible product. No sign of Family Guy re-runs.
No sign at all huh? Are you reading the ratings from the official WWE apologist website? Because if you look at the ACTUAL ratings...

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...gs-feb-4-2016/

lol Excited to watch you awkwardly avoid this now.
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No sign at all huh? Are you reading the ratings from the official WWE apologist website? Because if you look at the ACTUAL ratings...

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...gs-feb-4-2016/

lol Excited to watch you awkwardly avoid this now.
Lol you're too much

Those episodes are not even in the prime time window. You're comparing apples to oranges. Smackdown dominated it in viewers.

And interested in hearing you dispute the SD was NUMBER ONE IN THE KEY DEMO.
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I... I just... Are you shitting me right now? IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE! Read the first sentence of the page, FFS! lol

Are you now saying Family Guy reruns had an unfair advantage because it WASN'T in prime time? Holy fuck...
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You've used it as an excuse for why WWE's ratings are down. Walking Dead's ratings have consistently gone up. Tends to happen when you keep your product compelling. You draw in more viewers instead of losing them at a steady pace. CyNick doesn't comprehend well example #374.



You can keep asserting that the night of the week makes it unfair all you want. Your inability to actually give a reason is pretty telling though. If Raw were on Friday or Saturday nights, then you might have a point. There's no discernible difference between Monday and Sunday that would viewership plummet from one night to another. It's comparable. I know it's uncomfortable for you to admit but it is.

And holy fuck, are you just gonna resort to wordplay and flat out lying at this point? lol Raw is not #1 in viewership most weeks. It's #1 in viewership most Mondays facing off against Love and Hip Hop. Congrats. And even then... IT ISN'T #1 IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMO. It loses weekly to Love and Hip Hop in the 18-49 demo. Every Monday. How are you even attempting a flat out lie like that on a fact that is so easy to look up? lol
i already addressed the demo thing. RAW wins every week with men 18-49, the hip hop show wins with women. The total 18-49 number is razor close. Vh1 has less distribution, so RAW draws more viewers in total and most likely 18-49 as well. Pay me a consulting fee and I will teach you the nuances of ratings. It will prevent you from looking dumb.
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