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Old 11-24-2014, 07:24 AM   #41
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Hey, it's pretty cool that JBL referenced Stings TNA run as NWA champion. Did anybody else notice this?
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Old 11-24-2014, 07:43 AM   #42
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That was the final ever big mark out moment.

There is no-one who will ever make a surprise apperance, or debut or anything like that again. Or at least not for the time it will take for a second company to rise to the level of WWE and create it's own stars, which we are a long way away from.

So that makes it the final big moment of professional wrestling.

......and I fell asleep.

Woke up just in time to see Ziggler pin Rollins and Sting walk away.

FFS.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:04 AM   #43
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I sincerely hope that I will not be punished for this act of defiance, my King.
Hey, I'll admit that I misread the wiki article. I actually checked it after JBL made the call for the same reason
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:27 AM   #44
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I dont dig sting with his hair slicked back - maybe he should have let it hang a bit over his face - he would look a bit younger and mysterious.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:34 AM   #45
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That was the final ever big mark out moment.

There is no-one who will ever make a surprise apperance, or debut or anything like that again. Or at least not for the time it will take for a second company to rise to the level of WWE and create it's own stars, which we are a long way away from.

So that makes it the final big moment of professional wrestling.

......and I fell asleep.

Woke up just in time to see Ziggler pin Rollins and Sting walk away.

FFS.

AJ Styles or Austin Aries could have fit the category but the ship sailed too long ago for those two especially the former.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:37 AM   #46
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AJ and Aries have never been in anything close to a position to make a "holy shit" impact on debuting in WWE for the majority of fans
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:43 AM   #47
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I think styles could, not Aries.
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AJ and Aries have never been in anything close to a position to make a "holy shit" impact on debuting in WWE for the majority of fans
This is 100% correct.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:46 AM   #49
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Nope, not even Styles. Depending on where the show was held (namely if it was in a smarky city) Styles could have gotten a pretty sizable pop as anybody who has seen his work knows that he's excellent, but plenty of people still wouldn't know who he is.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:19 AM   #50
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The crowd was dead. They wanted surfer sting. The crowd was let down. Nobody cheered. Where was the surfboard?
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:31 AM   #51
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Sting needed to appear in his red and gold Sgt. Pepper jacket and use the term "Little Stingers" at least three times. These are the arbitrary conditions that I have established and, failing to fulfill them, Sting was a disappointment.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:32 AM   #52
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The crowd was dead. They wanted surfer sting. The crowd was let down. Nobody cheered. Where was the surfboard?
Are you sure? I thought the pop was huge. The only pop as big or bigger was when Rock came back to confront Rusev or when Austin and Rock came back at WM 30.


Also most fans were probably aware he was going to appear so the element of surprise was somewhat taken away but nevertheless was still a momentous occasion.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:35 AM   #53
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:36 AM   #54
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You call that a pop? Maybe if he was surfer sting but no-one likes crow sting anymore. I heard no pop. Maybe even some boos.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:38 AM   #55
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You call that a pop? Maybe if he was surfer sting but no-one likes crow sting anymore. I heard no pop. Maybe even some boos.
Me too Shinsen. I expected a bigger pop than that.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:39 AM   #56
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AJ and Aries have never been in anything close to a position to make a "holy shit" impact on debuting in WWE for the majority of fans
Perhaps when they were both white hot in terms of popularity over on TNA. AJ Styles more so than Aries but I feel both stayed at TNA for far too long that it damaged their careers and they won't be mentioned as "performers that never competed in WWE" for good reasons like a certain other wrestler until last night.

I mean you will always get the huge pops if someone returns be it for wrestling or a promo but nothing like this.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:40 AM   #57
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Gail Kim is another I'd like back in the WWE but again she's been away for far too long and is "too TNA" to really come back and make any sort of impact in the Divas division anymore no matter how gifted or stunning she is.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:41 AM   #58
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Franchise, what do you mean? AJ and Aries couldn't make it in WWE dumbass.

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Old 11-24-2014, 11:25 AM   #59
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Franchise, what do you mean? AJ and Aries couldn't make it in WWE dumbass.
What makes you say that? And name-calling, how mature.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:31 AM   #60
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Would you bitches shut up about Taker vs Sting already?

They're 104 years old combined.
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Would you bitches shut up about Taker vs Sting already?

They're 104 year olds combined.
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What makes you say that? And name-calling, how mature.
because they were in TNA for a reason. And I'm sorry for that "dumbass" remark. Please forgive me.
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because they were in TNA for a reason. And I'm sorry for that "dumbass" remark. Please forgive me.
So was CM Punk right?

But that was my point. They (well AJ Styles did) had opportunities to jump ship and resisted because they wanted to be the big fish in the small pond. Aries has just gone stale whilst AJ Styles.....what is he even doing now?

TNA is another debate but even old timers like Hogan, Foley, Flair and even Sting himself wanted out to make sporadic promos on WWE tv rather than hog the limelight weekly on TNA, it shows how bad that organization is and how badly talent is developed there.
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So was CM Punk right?
Yes. Which is why he is not with WWE anymore.
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Yes. Which is why he is not with WWE anymore.
But that was on his own accord as opposed to being dumped from WWE based on his talent/ability.

Had he stuck around I have no doubt Punk would have been a key figure in the Authority storyline (more so than Cena) and may well have been in the title picture.

I don't think Sting was originally meant to be involved in the storyline either but Punk leaving and then Bryan's longer than planned injury threw a spanner in the works and everything had to be re-written.
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HHH shoehorning his way into this is kind of disgusting but it's fine. Nohing is going to ruin this for me.
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But that was on his own accord as opposed to being dumped from WWE based on his talent/ability.

Had he stuck around I have no doubt Punk would have been a key figure in the Authority storyline (more so than Cena) and may well have been in the title picture.

I don't think Sting was originally meant to be involved in the storyline either but Punk leaving and then Bryan's longer than planned injury threw a spanner in the works and everything had to be re-written.
Him being more involved in the Authority angle? How so? It's Team Authority vs Team Cena. How would he be more involved?
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HHH shoehorning his way into this is kind of disgusting but it's fine. Nohing is going to ruin this for me.
I think Sting may well have had a lot of input into this storyline given that was his "reasoning" for not coming to WWE in the past (i.e. his fear of his character and legacy being ruined).


Triple H is the only one experienced and skilled enough on the roster to carry an old guy like Sting and given their polar opposite characters. Rock v Sting wouldn't have worked neither would Cena v Sting.


The ship sailed for Taker v Sting long before and even if the streak had been in tact would anyone really want to see Taker lose two WMs consecutively or even see Sting lose his one and only match in WWE? Both are popular faces of sorts and need their characters to be preserved. I actually doubt we will see Taker in the ring again and certainly not at WM 31.

If he can't even wrestle once a year without getting concussed then simply, he shouldn't come anywhere near a ring.
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Him being more involved in the Authority angle? How so? It's Team Authority vs Team Cena. How would he be more involved?
It probably would have been Team Punk and further back with the proposed Triple H v Punk at WM 30 that prompted Punk to leave, that might have had some sort of angle or stipulation to it.

Cena was only brought into this equation because of the absence of Bryan and Punk.
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HHH shoehorning his way into this is kind of disgusting but it's fine. Nohing is going to ruin this for me.
To be fair, if Sting is only meant to be working one match/program for the company, the options that would make any sort of sense are fairly limited. It's pretty much Triple H and The Undertaker. This isn't "hold everyone down" Triple H either, this is "bump 10 feet for Brie Bella" Triple H. I trust he'll do the right thing and let Sting win in his first (and possibly only) match.

Plus with Taker...we don't know if Taker can wrestle another match, and on top of that it'd be weird to have him lose a 2nd Mania match in a row but also weird to have Sting job in his match. On top of that, even though Taker/Sting is a match that everyone (myself included) have fantasy booked before, the comparisons between the two are often overblown by non-WCW watchers just assuming he was WCW's Undertaker. Sting's character really was totally different.
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Triple H was the best performer throughout the entire match last night, he made the whole thing.
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:24 PM   #73
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I liked the angle.
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:30 PM   #74
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I just don't like that Trips views himself as a spectacle like Taker or Brock. He isn'tt. He's just not. I mean, he's always been solid but he's just not on the level that he is trying to convince everybody he is on. That's all.

Although, I do get the point that there aren't many others Sting could really be in a program with. That is correct. I can't think of many others a WM plan could work with that wouldn't screw up current WWE storylines. Sting/Bray would be cool. I dunno. I'm just always really disappointed when something great happens but Triple H has to be right in the middle of it.
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If Austin Aries or AJ Styles did ever sign, they wouldn't just not be high profile, but would instead be sent to NXT and given generic names first.
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You mean he's not convinced you about that. As far as I am concerned, he is pretty much at the top. Oh hey look, everyone else seems to think HHH-Sting is the way to go too. Fancy that!
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Like Jacob Cass?
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I just don't like that Trips views himself as a spectacle like Taker or Brock. He isn'tt. He's just not. I mean, he's always been solid but he's just not on the level that he is trying to convince everybody he is on. That's all.

Although, I do get the point that there aren't many others Sting could really be in a program with. That is correct. I can't think of many others a WM plan could work with that wouldn't screw up current WWE storylines. Sting/Bray would be cool. I dunno. I'm just always really disappointed when something great happens but Triple H has to be right in the middle of it.
Also, if Triple H from last year's Mania shows up to wrestle Sting, he can hide all of Sting's weaknesses. Final Form Triple H will do Sting well instead of Taker.
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Also, if Triple H from last year's Mania shows up to wrestle Sting, he can hide all of Sting's weaknesses. Final Form Triple H will do Sting well instead of Taker.
Agreed. I'm really hoping Sting's been working on improving his in-ring game if he's actually going to wrestle, because doughy, drag-assing TNA Sting is not going to cut it if they really want to do these "dream match" scenarios with him. Even if he's still slacking, though, if Triple H puts on his work boots, he can make the match something cool.

Plus, having it be Triple H instead of, say, Bray Wyatt or Seth Rollins gets rid of all of that gross "yesterday is better than today" stuff they do whenever a legend shows up. You can still have the crowd mark out hard for Sting, without it negatively affecting someone else's career. Plus, Triple H is at a point now where he suffers nothing from taking a big loss, so as annoying as it is that he's built himself up as this unbeatable Shao Khan Final-Boss figure, he's at least been using it to put other people over strong.

It's a shame that it didn't happen 10 years sooner, and that we probably won't get that Sting/Undertaker match people have been dreaming about forever. But Sting showing up at all in a WWE ring is still goddamn incredible to see.
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I liked the angle. Just wish there had been more options.
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