Is Gwen Stafani the most respected female artist in popular music?

Alicia is alot stronger live than Gwen.christ. She sounds exactly like her cd( which is amazing btw, pick it up)

[Londoner]

'The media love her, and the people love her'..there is a reason for the people loving her then, media manipulation, making us think something's good when it isn't. The media does that alot you know..

Like MTV for example.

[BCWWF]

Thats all I am looking for right there

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by BCWWF You aren't understanding at all. I am not saying that No Doubt gets more respect then the Beatles, I am saying that No Doubt gets more respect then Britney Spears. You are merging everything together when I am specifically talking about the pop-culture.

I know what your talking about. But you have to understand, the respect for her isn't real is what i'm trying to say, it's media manipulated. People think she deserves respect, but the truth is she doesn't.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by BCWWF So with that post you've pretty much made your point that you have no knowledge of the subject, no interest in the subject, and no reason to be posting in this thread. Last time I checked Mariah Carey was #2 on the Billboard charts this week after being #1 last week You don't seem to understand, I'm not talking about if you respect her, I am talking about the widespread population which, believe it or not, is not represented at all in these boards. The media loves her and the people love her, ECG thinks she is utter shit! OMG NO!

I know what you're talking about, you stupid faggot. It's not respect, it's trendiness, it's flavour of the month-ism.

You're not getting it: you've fucked up the idea of respect and mixed it up with credibility. Gwen Stefani is a more credible artist than Britney Spears, simply because she has a long rock background behind her bubble-gum pop career.

I understand what you are talking about, you're the one who doesn't. There is NO RESPECT in mainstream pop culture. It's a predatory, trend-driven mire of shit, with the media ready to tear apart and gloat over the destruction of artists as quickly as they will build them up.

Mariah Carey is an example, because after every re-invention, the media are more interested in how far she'll flop next, so they can gloat about it.

You're making this a personal thing by saying it's down to me. I'm merely disagreeing with you and you're refusing to argue perfectly salient points by dismissing the argument, despite me showing more understanding of the modern pop market than you have displayed here.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Gwen is female?

[Londoner]

Bigdaddysuperfreak-Your stupid if you can't see that.Your comment was retarded.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

ummmmm ok r u serious?

[Londoner]

Not really. But i neg repped you for fun cos it was a retarded joke.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Yah back at ya

[Londoner]

Btw- notice my comment 'stop trying to be funny'? when i neg repped you? That implies that i noticed it was sarcastic. Just pointing that out to you since your neg rep said i didn't ...oh and because i'm bored.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

You're bored so you decided to make yourself look stupid? Well at least you reached you goal

[BCWWF]

ECG that is all you needed to say from the start, credibility instead of respect, because that opinion makes sense to me and I can agree with it too. I just wouldn't say that they are all that different in this scenario, unless you are taking respect to some bizarre level.

In case you can't tell, the people who post here do not represent the mainstream public opinion. Just about everybody, including yourself, has been making bitchy personal responses acting like you are the mainstream public opinion and because you don't like her she automatically doesn't get more respect from the media and the audiences for that kind of music. You stating that pop-culture is based on trends doesn't make you Einstien.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

I will say you never see any negative press on her, but that might just be that she is boring.

[BCWWF]

She get's a lot of positive press though, which kind of contradicts that

[Londoner]

I don't see how I am making myself look stupid by showing up your retarded comment on Gwen, now anyway...


**gets back on topic**

BCWWF- You are not understanding what everyone else is saying. All you are going to say back at them is the opposite it seems, and that is' she is respected so shut up you asshole'.(ok, thats abit exaggerated)

What we are syaing is she is not really respected, more like built up in the media. But that only lasts for a period of time, and that's why it isn't real respect and why i think this thread is nothing more than a reaction to what MTV have been saying.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak I will say you never see any negative press on her, but that might just be that she is boring.

Wwll, part of that is that critics and the like are pressed to come up with POSITIVE reviews. Most of the press you'll see is from sources that are pressured, or sources within the business. She'd have to pull a Jacko before she really got any negative press. It's somewhat in the lines of what Moona...Errrr...Cappy ranted about in his shots at the pop industry (Generic and safe though they may be).

Musicians are hot or they're not, and if you don't push what's hot as part of the media, you can find yourself without a job fast.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by ThugLife What we are syaing is she is not really respected, more like built up in the media. But that only lasts for a period of time, and that's why it isn't real respect and why i think this thread is nothing more than a reaction to what MTV have been saying.

Now the real question is whether or not she has staying power because of No Doubt, or if she dies like most pop acts.

[BCWWF]

Thats not the case though, like I said she has been around forever, and been big forever.

ECG hit the nail on the head when he used the word credibility, and I think that respect and credibility go hand in hand with each other in this instance. If Gwen Stefani wasn't a respected woman, she wouldn't be having the kind of success she has had, and she wouldn't have had the opportunity to release these subpar singles.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Now the real question is whether or not she has staying power because of No Doubt, or if she dies like most pop acts.

I'm guessing she'll die off soon enough. She's doing her best to do so.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by BCWWF ECG that is all you needed to say from the start, credibility instead of respect, because that opinion makes sense to me and I can agree with it too. I just wouldn't say that they are all that different in this scenario, unless you are taking respect to some bizarre level.

Yes, credibility is different than respect. Credibility would relate to Gwen Stefani's artistic integrity: is she an artist because of the art or because she is a marketing brand tool? Britney Spears is little more than a vehicle for advertising and a record company cash cow.

The idea of respect has become so twisted and mishapen by people today. Respect includes reverance, someone must be revered to be respected.

Any reverance in the pop media is false and temporary, and based on who has an album or a product to push.

Madonna is probably the most respected female in the pop industry. She's went through countless re-inventions, scandals, flops etc. yet she is still there at the top and is pop royalty at this point.

Originally Posted by BCWWF In case you can't tell, the people who post here do not represent the mainstream public opinion. Just about everybody, including yourself, has been making bitchy personal responses acting like you are the mainstream public opinion and because you don't like her she automatically doesn't get more respect from the media and the audiences for that kind of music. You stating that pop-culture is based on trends doesn't make you Einstien.

You are a huge fucking idiot. Seriously, you must have been slapped with a brick when you were a kid.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Wwll, part of that is that critics and the like are pressed to come up with POSITIVE reviews. Most of the press you'll see is from sources that are pressured, or sources within the business. She'd have to pull a Jacko before she really got any negative press. It's somewhat in the lines of what Moona...Errrr...Cappy ranted about in his shots at the pop industry (Generic and safe though they may be).

I wasn't ranting at the pop industry, though. I was ranting at the pop industry BCWWF is talking about, the celebrity mag Paparazzi-driven gossip industry.

Most of the music I listen to is unashamedly pop music, unashamedly mainstream. I have no problem with it. So put your dick away and stop trying to out-cynic me.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Dont you think the media would try to find dirt on her since it would sell more copies?

[Lamuella]

popularity and respect are two different things

Britney Spears sells more albums than Kristy Thirsk. Would anyone who has heard both of them claim Britney was the better singer, or the more respected?

[Lamuella]

regarding stefani in particular: making Topol spin in his grave by massacring a tune from Fiddler On The Roof does not make you "respected"

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

no it makes you throw up

[BCWWF]

ECG, are you saying:

1 Pop stars are not capable of being respected

2 Nobody respects any pop stars

3 Gwen Stefani isn't respected by anybody

4 Something else

What I am getting from your explanations is that pop stars shouldn't be respected because they don't deserve it, and if thats the case then thats your personal opinion, but there are obviously a lot of people in the world that respect Gwen Stefani and what she does. Whether or not you believe she deserves it or not has nothing to do with it.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I didn't say any of that, which backs up my assertion that you are a fucking moron.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

not all pop stars arent respected, just the crappy ones.

[BCWWF]

Why don't you back up what you're trying to say. You write a page about how respect doesn't exist in the pop industry, but then you won't back it up? Its kind of funny the holes you dig for yourself when you argue just out of spite

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

me?

[BCWWF]

No, nobody has been talking to you since you and Thug Life had a scuffle at the top of the page.

[BCWWF]

But while you are here,

not all pop stars arent respected, just the crappy ones.

So I take that to mean that you think Gwen is "crappy", who are the other pop stars that are respected then?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I'm not digging any holes. You've continually shifted the goalposts to suit your argument.

Your view of the pop industry is exceedingly narrow, as you referred to me as someone who isn't a fan of mainstream pop acts. How you came to this conclusion, you should probably explain to me.

In the context of your argument on what constitutes a mainstream pop act, then no, there is no respect to be had for those people. They are disposable and their popularity is market-driven. If you're specifically talking about music directed and marketed towards teenage girls, there is no respect for those people as artists.

You back up what you are trying to say. All I see is dismissal.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

I think Justin Timbalake is respected, as well as usher. Im not sure if Alicia Keyes is really pop as she is R+B, but shes respected. Basically anyone that doesnt act like a whore. Im not really to sure since I dont listen to pop music.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

As for thuglife, who cares?

[Londoner]

Btw, it seems that i have lost a post, or didn't post it at all. What it was meant to say was:

BCWWF- Earlier you agreed that there is a difference between credibility and respect. We even explained what the difference was, and yet you still believe she has that much respect? Get real. It is just MTV getting into your head.Stop watching that channel, now.

I wonder what happened to my lost post.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak As for thuglife, who cares?

Can't add anything decent to the conversation, so you go on a pointless attack.Smart move.

Neg reps are coming your way soon enough.

[Loose Cannon]

Sheryl Crow

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Originally Posted by ThugLife Can't add anything decent to the conversation, so you go on a pointless attack.Smart move. Neg reps are coming your way soon enough.

It works for Kane Knight, and it wasnt personal I just dont care