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Old 12-04-2008, 03:36 PM   #41
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This guy won't even be a Bobby Lashley.
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:06 PM   #42
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I love the gutwrench powerbomb. One of the better and more unique finishing moves right now, especially of all the new ECW guys. When was the last time someone used that? I remember Wrath in WCW but there has to be someone since then.

And yes I love "The All-American American". It's somewhat comical but still has a serious feel to it. I doubt he'll still be called that if he makes it big but it shouldn't go away.
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:11 PM   #43
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I don't see why people aren't digging the "All-American American" thing. It's just a witty attachment to Swagger's name to point out his amateur background and to prevent him from being "just a name." There's nothing offensive about it.
When you say people, do you mean Volare? He is the only person in the thread that doesn't like the gimmick. Everyone else said it is fine for where he is. You are so fucking retarded.
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:20 PM   #44
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So I'm a people now....


But meh, that's why we chat on the forums right?
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:30 PM   #45
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no, we have forums to debate.
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:06 PM   #46
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When you say people, do you mean Volare? He is the only person in the thread that doesn't like the gimmick. Everyone else said it is fine for where he is. You are so fucking retarded.
And even Volare didn't say anything particularly negative about it. While Volare may think it's horrible, the statement left it wide open for interpretation.
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:32 PM   #47
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I haven't seen Jack Swagger until I saw that You Tube video.

I like him......I like him a lot. He has the "it" factor from what I see.

He reminds me of a mix between Randy Orton and Kurt Angle.

I don't know what his wrestling ability is like, but this guy seems to be the goods.
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And even Volare didn't say anything particularly negative about it. While Volare may think it's horrible, the statement left it wide open for interpretation.
KK, you're taking things way off-centre. I do reply to BDC sometimes because I find his redneckness humourous, but if you think that means everytime I post I'm trying to antagonise you...wrong. You also completely misinterpretted what I said about the "All-American American" name. Volare said he should drop it, Xero said he can't see it in the main event. I said I can, and that I don't understand why people don't like it more. I don't see where this idea I'm saying everyone hates it comes from. BDC is probably more at fault for not being able to read what I said, and you just ran with it abstractly out of focus, but there is actually hope discussing something with you -- as opposed to BDC.

As for the Gutwrench Powerbomb? I agree that it is sort of "just another move," but the last guy I remember using it on a semi-regular basis was Test. I think Swagger pulls it off well, but I don't know. I'd like to see him do something cooler.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:58 PM   #50
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Just to be clear, Noid, I was repeating your own claims that you post to antagonise people like me. In fact, you named in explicitly in those claims in the past, as well as BDC and the like. I didn't say "every time," which alters the tone and intent of my post, and takes it--as you might say--"way off-centre."

As for The All-American-American, you were addressing people, which in and of itself implies more than one person. You tossed on at the end that it wasn't offensive, something nobody was really claiming, near as I can tell. You also didn't mention that you thought it was fine as a main event gimmick, you said something rather open about "digging" it.

So what you meant was:

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I don't see why peopleXero Limit 126 aren't digging doesn't think the "All-American American" thing is main event material. It's just a witty attachment to Swagger's name to point out his amateur background and to prevent him from being "just a name." (This part is probably not needed unless you are agreeing with the "fine for a starter gimmick" notion, which you are evidently not). There's nothing offensive about it.
Condensed, effectively, to one sentence. Two if you want to say "I do" in a second. It now actually says what you said you meant and excises the parts that are problematic.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:13 PM   #51
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Just to be clear, Noid, I was repeating your own claims that you post to antagonise people like me. In fact, you named in explicitly in those claims in the past, as well as BDC and the like. I didn't say "every time," which alters the tone and intent of my post, and takes it--as you might say--"way off-centre."

As for The All-American-American, you were addressing people, which in and of itself implies more than one person. You tossed on at the end that it wasn't offensive, something nobody was really claiming, near as I can tell. You also didn't mention that you thought it was fine as a main event gimmick, you said something rather open about "digging" it.

So what you meant was:

Condensed, effectively, to one sentence. Two if you want to say "I do" in a second. It now actually says what you said you meant and excises the parts that are problematic.
Just so you know, I know what I said about antagonising folk like BDC. It was the subtext of the second sentence of my post. "Every time" It doesn't alter the tone of your post, merely exposes through slight hyperbole the inaccurate stipulations you apply to your implications. You said that I post to get a rise out of idiots (no need for quoatation when talking about BDC), which is sometimes true. You assumed that is what I was doing now? It wasn't. I wanted to talk about Jack Swagger. The enjoyment of the pointless argument only really kicks it when the arguments begin.

I also continue to love the insistence that I am pissed. No, no I am not. It's just getting boring and distracting the same thing happening every thread. BDC sounds much angrier, but I'm sure he doesn't give two shits.

Both Xero and Volare implied that they didn't see much long-term worth in the "All-American American" name. That is not "digging it." The point about it not being offensive? What the fuck are you on about? Is it offensive? No. Then stop arguing that I am wrong for saying so. That statement was in reference to it being perfectly fine as a main event moniker, which was in response to what Xero said about it not working at that level. I'm beginning to think you may actually be a low-level journalist somewhere. The taking of meaning, the inability to read or interpret subtext, the inability to connect A to B. I'm not going to do it for you all of the time, KK, because it's something I shouldn't have to do.

If you can't gather from Xero and Volare's posts that they don't like the name "All-American American" from either a short-term or long-term perspective, and that I don't think there's anything wrong with it, there is no helping you. Also, I didn't mean what you posted. I was not just referring to Xero. I was not just referring to the main event value of the moniker. Don't speak for me. I'd rather not fill every sentence with inadvertent self-defacing irony and straw-man rhetorics.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:31 PM   #54
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:11 PM   #55
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Just think how important this arguing would be if wrestling was "real".
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Just think how important it would be if we actually discussed wrestling.

I'm glad they've shifted Jack Swagger out of his generic tights into the black and blue wrestling singlet. And given him his own entrance theme. His aesthetics when he debuted were less than desirable.
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:14 PM   #57
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Personally, I'm not sold on him....yet

His wrestling is good, but the gimmick still seems forced to me, it doesn't seem natural.

Plus i can't see anyone with a lisp being WWE champ any time soon
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Plus i can't see anyone with a lisp being WWE champ any time soon
I know of a certain Bathturd who would disagree.

Or Lesnar, if you want to get picky.
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Personally, I'm not sold on him....yet

His wrestling is good, but the gimmick still seems forced to me, it doesn't seem natural.

Plus i can't see anyone with a lisp being WWE champ any time soon
Dusty and Cody would like to have a word with you.
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I have a request, less whinging from posters.
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No, THIS is a bold prediction for Jack Swagger:

Jack Swagger will become at the very least a US/Intercontinental champ. Not too certain about anything higher.
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Dear Jack Swagger,

Prediction

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I know of a certain Bathturd who would disagree.

Or Lesnar, if you want to get picky.
Bathturd = Lashley?

ECW, doesn't count, at all, ever...

Lesnar didn't have a lisp really, plus he had Paul Heyman
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Prediction

Love,
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Curse you Xero! You win this round...
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Old 12-07-2008, 03:17 AM   #65
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LOL at Xero whinging.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Swagger now that he seems to be going after Matt Hardy at the same time Vladimir Kozlov seems to be. I also get the feeling that Chavo Guerrero's match against Hardy on SmackDown! was a test to see how those two work together. It wouldn't surprise me to see a Fatal Four Way between them for the ECW Title at the Royal Rumble, or something.
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ECW Superstar Jack Swagger is getting strong reviews for his work at house show events. When he was in developmental, Dusty Rhodes singled out Swagger as the one with the most potential.
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Jim Ross is high on the guy, and reported that he has been getting a lot of positive reviews backstage, too. I think he'll be ECW Champion before too long. I'd rather see him with the IC or US Title, though. Start him off lower and work up. The ECW Title might not be the most credible belt in the WWE, but it being one by guys just a few months into their career is not going to make it look any better.
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ECW is the equivelent of the IC or US title, Noid.
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Let me first say that Jack Swagger's theme song is amazing. I want to listen to it all day, but unfortunately, I have to go to work sometimes.

Instead of them putting the ECW title on him right away though, I'd rather see him give Hardy a GREAT match before Ricky Ortiz runs in and costs Swagger the match. I liked the little back and forth they had before their match, and I would really like to see a feud between the two of them pan out.
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ECW is the equivelent of the IC or US title, Noid.
It's a little bit higher. The WWE still technically considers it a "World Title," and whenever the ECW Champion fights the US or IC Champion (besides Hardy's last match with Regal, but I think that was originally intended to boost Regal to the ECW Title chase), they are victorious.

They also include the ECW Champion in Champion of Champions Matches and the like. I'd consider it more important than both the IC and US Titles. Somewhere between the realms of legit World Title and mid-card title.
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Let me first say that Jack Swagger's theme song is amazing. I want to listen to it all day, but unfortunately, I have to go to work sometimes.

Instead of them putting the ECW title on him right away though, I'd rather see him give Hardy a GREAT match before Ricky Ortiz runs in and costs Swagger the match. I liked the little back and forth they had before their match, and I would really like to see a feud between the two of them pan out.
I was hoping that Ricky Ortiz would cost Swagger that Extreme Rules Match to Tommy Dreamer. It would have given Dreamer the moral victory over Swagger, and easily transitioned Swagger into a feud with Ortiz.

It's way too early to make Swagger ECW Champion, I agree. I'm looking forward to his matches with Matt Hardy, though.
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They toss in the ECW champion with the other world champions only when the feel like it. If the ECW champion is Bigshow, Bobby Lashley, or Matt Hardy they start almost treating it like a 3 world title, when someone like CM Punk or Morrison has it, then it is an opening match with no flair for a ppv.
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They toss in the ECW champion with the other world champions only when the feel like it. If the ECW champion is Bigshow, Bobby Lashley, or Matt Hardy they start almost treating it like a 3 world title, when someone like CM Punk or Morrison has it, then it is an opening match with no flair for a ppv.
You're absolutely correct. They're very inconsistent with it. But that's why I put it on a rung between the World Titles and the IC/US Titles.

The Benoit stuff really hurt the ECW Title, I think. Before that, they were calling it the "ECW World Championship," and I'm sure that Benoit was meant to win the title at Vengeance: Night of Champions, and wrestle some matches with CM Punk, which would have been star-making stuff. I've said it before, but I think a Benoit/Punk blow-off with Punk finally winning the ECW World Title could have headlined a smaller PPV like Armageddon.

As much as he is awesome, and I love him, Johnny Nitro winning the ECW Title sort of lowered it a bit, and got it stuck in a rut, of sorts. He now seems ready for something like the ECW Title, but back then, it feels like he only got the nod because they didn't want to pull the trigger with CM Punk, and Johnny Nitro was the most decorated guy on the ECW roster to fill in for Benoit.

Then Punk won it, but beating John Morrison wasn't really like beating the best technical wrestler in the WWE, at the time. Then he lost it to Chavo Guerrero, and then they decided (for some reason), that the ECW Champion should compete in the Royal Rumble Match.

It's an inconsistent road they've traveled, but I'm hoping Matt Hardy really raises the prestige.
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