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Old 01-16-2012, 04:55 PM   #841
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However, it also helps if they score runs. I've been told that helps win games.
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:57 PM   #842
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Athletics acquire Seth Smith from the Rockies in exchange for Josh Outman and Guillermo Moscoso.

The A's rotation is looking rather dreadful. Dallas Braden, Brett Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, Bartolo Colon.....all have injury histories. Could see them losing 100 games.
Especially since almost every team in the West got so much stronger.

Angels: Wilson and Pujols

Mariners: All though he is still in the developing stages I could seriously see Montero tearing it up.

Rangers: If they sign Darvish AND Fielder they would be pretty additions.

On Paper at least they look to be the worst team in the West that's for damn sure.
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Evening round-up (from mlbtraderumors.com)

Red Sox have been in talks with Roy Oswalt. However it appears if they want to sign him, they're gonna have to trade somebody away. They don't have $8 mil. lying around.

Yankees are wrapping up their offseason by looking for a DH. They got around $1-2 mil. to spend and have been in talks with Johnny Damon and Hideki Matusi for comebacks, and Carlos Pena.

Joel Hanrahan, Rick Porcello, Phil Hughes, Phil Coke, and Nyjer Morgan avoid arb. and sign deals with their respective teams.

And finally, here's a good laugh. The Rockies have offered old man Jamie Moyer, at the age of 49, a minor league deal. IF he accepts, he'll be offered a chance to compete for a rotation spot while tutoring the younger pitchers on the staff.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:16 PM   #844
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Kuroda is a free agent isn't he? The only guy we traded for is Pineda. I still wonder what we will do about the DH. Will we trade for another hitter or maybe Pena. All those Red Sox fans better be thankful we didn't get Felix instead of Pineda.
My mistake. Meant to say Pineda instead of Kuroda for the recent trade deals.


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Red Sox have been in talks with Roy Oswalt. However it appears if they want to sign him, they're gonna have to trade somebody away. They don't have $8 mil. lying around.
How do they not have the money lying around considering they dumped Dice-K, JD Drew's contract and a bunch others for next season (around $40ish million although not sure if that includes Lackey).

I know they said this season's payroll was going to be a bit smaller but that was due to JD Drew and Dice-K's money coming off from the books. At most the recent signings are closer to the other players they removed or from the extra saved when Papelbon left in terms of money.
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mlbtraderumors.com got the transaction tracker. Nice little tool to find out how many signings each team has made. Just punch in a team(s), start and end date, and you're off.

Starting with the Red Sox's first post season move, picking up Scutaro's option back on 10/31 and ending today, Boston has made 22 moves in the form of signings, trades, options, etc. Yankees have made only 12.
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I hope Moyer takes the deal and has a couple good starts. He's said he'd love to get in a game at 50, so if he gets into one next year he'll have done it.

Gonna be tough though. Julio Franco seemed like a lock to play in a big league game at 50 but not even the Braves would keep him.
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How do they not have the money lying around considering they dumped Dice-K, JD Drew's contract and a bunch others for next season (around $40ish million although not sure if that includes Lackey).

I know they said this season's payroll was going to be a bit smaller but that was due to JD Drew and Dice-K's money coming off from the books. At most the recent signings are closer to the other players they removed or from the extra saved when Papelbon left in terms of money.
They didn't dump Dice-K's money though, they still have him for the year and still have to pay him the $10M, he just won't be pitching most likely.

I think a huge thing with the Red Sox payroll wise is that Gonzalez jumps from a salary of $5.5M last year to $21M this year. And Crawford goes from $14M to $19.5M.
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pretty interesting return for Seth Smith, couple decent starters from The A's

also I'm pretty sure that Billy Beane and Dan O'Dowd are lovers, like the 5th trade they've made together in the past 3 years
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:09 PM   #849
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They didn't dump Dice-K's money though, they still have him for the year and still have to pay him the $10M, he just won't be pitching most likely.

I think a huge thing with the Red Sox payroll wise is that Gonzalez jumps from a salary of $5.5M last year to $21M this year. And Crawford goes from $14M to $19.5M.
So basically someone on either NESN or ESPN was mostly wrong on the money that was coming off the books for this season which in theory was supposed to help lower the salary a bit and improve the dreadful bullpen. Papelbon leaving added in an extra $12+ million which A-Gon's contract jump ate up easily.
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Athletics acquire Seth Smith from the Rockies in exchange for Josh Outman and Guillermo Moscoso.

The A's rotation is looking rather dreadful. Dallas Braden, Brett Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, Bartolo Colon.....all have injury histories. Could see them losing 100 games.
Brett Anderson, when healthy, is better than both Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez. Jarrod Parker also has a chance to crack the rotation out of spring training, and he is supposed to be a beast.
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good God the A's are going to be a disaster

just saw their projected lineup on MLB Network
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just saw their projected lineup on MLB Network
I can't really say all that. I mean I thought last year that the Red Sox were gonna be unstoppable. It hadn't even been the season yet and I was hoping for a Wild Card spot. There's an old saying that goes like this "You just can't predict baseball" Sometimes the team that you think can be a disaster winds up being pretty good and sometimes the team that you see winding up really good can be really bad. A lot of crap can happen that no one can really see. On paper at least with all the AL West Coast teams getting better it's gonna be hard not fully impossible but pretty hard.
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Tigers Catcher DH whatever the fuck you want to call him Victor Martinez tore his ACL during an off season workout. He's out for the season



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Wow that sucks. Miguel Cabrera won't get a pitch to hit in 2012.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:15 PM   #855
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Bummer. I can see them adding Carlos Pena now and DHing Miggy full time.
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Man that sucks for the Tigers. Do you think Fielder could be a option for them now or do you think they aren't looking for something that long term?
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The Yu Darvish deadline passed about 2 hours ago. Can't seem to find any info weather the Rangers sealed the deal or not.
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The Yu Darvish deadline passed about 2 hours ago. Can't seem to find any info weather the Rangers sealed the deal or not.

Well if they didn't Fielder has a 85 percent chance of being a Ranger.
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Tim Lincecum is asking for $21.5 in an arbitration deal while the Giants are only willing to go to $17 million. In terms of records, it would be the 2nd highest for a player (Clemens won $22 million) and the highest offer made by a team (Yankees $14.5 million to Jeter was previous record).

Phillies avoid arbitration with Cole Hamels and give him a 1 year, $15 million deal.

Red Sox gave Elsbury a 1 year, $8.05 million for his deal to avoid arbitration.
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Lincecum is going to set the record for highest arbitration figure by a non-Free Agent, breaking the previous record of Cole Hamels from a few hours ago.
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Just jumped onto NPB tracker and the Ham Fighters don't even know what's going on with Darvish at this point in time.
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The Orioles are looking at Francisco Cordero to be the Closer. Its like they are intentionally trying to find someone worse than Kevin Gregg.
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Man that sucks for the Tigers. Do you think Fielder could be a option for them now or do you think they aren't looking for something that long term?

Nah as much as it's panic mode here right now, signing Fielder would be a terrible idea.
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Cordero may be 36, but I'd rather have him closing over Kevin Gregg.
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Adam Rubin, late of the New York Daily News and now of ESPN New York, is one of those guys who've been on the Mets beat as long as we can remember. (He remained on it despite a memorably bizarre incident in 2009 where Omar Minaya accused Rubin of writing bad things about the Mets because he wanted a job with the team.) But last night, as tends to happen occasionally with those of us who've been tied to the Mets for a while, he snapped, on Twitter. The catalyst was Sandy Alderson's comment on first baseman Ike Davis's injury last season:

• Sandy Alderson is quoted in Newsday re: Ike Davis as saying: "The treatment was correct and the recovery was just longer than we expected."
• Except for the fact diagnosis of cartilage damage originally was missed and a boot Ike then wore constricted circulation and stalled healing
• Sandy Alderson really is a straight shooter, generally, but that's too much spin.

And then the hits just kept on coming:

• One person begged me not to write Ike may have fracture as 2nd test approached. Turned out cartilage damage, not fracture, was missed.
• Doctors advised J.J. Putz to have bone chips removed from elbow, which would've cost 6 weeks. Mets said shoot him w/ cortisone. He tore UCL.
• Ryan Church says to Brian Schneider, 'Your knee looks swollen. Go see trainer.' Schneider to Church: 'They don't want to hear it.'
• Mets exec calling Billy Wagner a wimp for complaining of elbow discomfort during sim game in Pittsburgh. Wagner needed Tommy John surgery.
• Still haven't figured out rocket scientist behind having Jose Reyes bat righty vs. RHP after oblique injury. Injury lingered whole 2nd half.
• Thanks for reminding me about Ryan Church flying from Atlanta to Colorado with concussion. He said he felt like boater bobbing on Bering Sea
• Found oldie: Early in Reyes career, Mets wanted him tougher. They had Art Howe tell him "spit on it" to injury. Had undiagnosed fibula break
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So what you're saying is the Mets are incompetent?

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Honestly that training staff was horrible.
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Rangers sign Yu Darvish with time to spare. 6-years, $60 mil.
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Not very often that you can settle an arbitration case within seconds of seeing the numbers...Clayton Kershaw asks for $10 million, Dodgers offer $6.5 million.

Kershaw wins. Done. Settled. In fact, he lowballed himself majorly.
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:15 AM   #871
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That's almost as bad as the deal Ellsbury signed.
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I'd say Ellsbury made out like a champ in arb. You're talking about a guy who went from being a line drive hitting defensive wizard to a 5 tool player almost overnight, with a full injury deprived season in between.He ████ near triple his career HR total in one season (20 career HR after 2010, 52 after 2011 ). He's earning nearly 4x as much as he did last season for one outlier season. I'd say he made out pretty darn well seeing as he can no longer make less than $8m in arbitration.
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Yeah he obviously got a nice raise, but he's also 28 and coming off a 30-30 season. Could've gotten a ton more than $8 million.
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Maybe, but it's an outlier year to this point. He's only done it once so it very well may be a fluke year. Maybe it's not, but given the fact that guys like Hamels has a proven track record and Kershaw had a few very good years leading to his breakout year. Ellsbury's power surge literally came outta nowhere. I'd say it's a pretty fair deal for both sides considering the circumstances.
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What's more important is what kind of deal Ellsbury is going to get in free agency after the 2013 season. Another 2 seasons with similar numbers to 2011 will probably land him a deal more lucrative than Jose Reyes's.
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28 year old Fausto Carmona is no more. He is actually 31 year old Roberto Heredia.
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:17 PM   #877
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I wonder if his $7 million option that was picked up is guaranteed.
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Pretty sure all MLB contract money is guaranteed. There might be some language that could negate the money, but I doubt it.
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I wonder if his $7 million option that was picked up is guaranteed.
It was for Fausto Carmona, not Roberto Heredia. I think that could help negate it.
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They could void the option and money as long as they didn't already pay him considering Carmona ended up deceiving the Indians with his contract.
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