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Old 07-21-2012, 07:33 PM   #881
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:26 PM   #882
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i thought it was a little slow through most of it and didn't get most of the comic book references and what not. i got kinda scared that i wasn't going to enjoy the movie but the big climax and twist at the end made up for it
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:45 AM   #883
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It was a great movie my only complaint, and it may have just been the theater I saw it in, but the music was so loud I couldn't hear the dialogue at points.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:19 AM   #884
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Thats the film itself, not your theater. Id say I caught about 90% of the films dialogue.
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I need to watch Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises in order.. such a beautiful trilogy. It's not 3 movies, it's one big long story that spans years in movie time.


Oh yeah and Avengers was good, but this smoked it.
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:00 AM   #886
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Did the same actor who was Bane also do his voice. imdb just says it is one guy so I guess. his voice was cool
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Oh yeah and Avengers was good, but this smoked it.
I think its unfair to even compare the two. Both were equally good, but very different graphic novel based movies.
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:14 AM   #888
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Also, really enjoyed the movie...but i kinda felt like i was one step ahead of it the whole time. Still enjoyed it though.
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I was just trolling. I just prefer this style. His Batman movies are in the vein of V For Vendetta or From Hell, where they are based on comic books, it doesn't scream "SUPERHERO".
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:57 AM   #890
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There's only one way to follow this Trilogy, good luck finding a Director with the Balls to go with this story though
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What if Nolan' bro made a spin off called "Batman Beyond"?
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:36 AM   #892
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My God, what a movie. I have a full review and detailed analysis on my blog, which y'all can read here. But for now, I'm just gonna repeat myself.

My God, what a movie.
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I can honestly admit that when Bane had Batman wrapped in the noose (I think that's when it was) after Talia stabbed him, I honestly thought that's when they might have killed him. It's all 20/20 hindsight now that I look back, but it was an actual legit thought at the time. I loved how they teased him dying all throughout the last hour
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This was incredible. Such an awesome movie. Everything came full circle and I really enjoyed it Definitely delivered.



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I saw the movie with a group of friends, and after the movie ended, everyone was split on the ending. Half of us (including myself) thinks Batman died in the explosion, and the other half believed he lived.

I thought the scene at the end with Wayne and Selena was part of Alfred's imagination, because there's no way that Batman could have escaped that atomic bomb in 3 seconds over open water, as it was supposed to cover a 6 mile radius (I know it's a Batman flick, but Nolan doesn't like to pull "unrealistic" or fantasy magic tricks with Batman).

Batman dying with the bomb just makes perfect sense to the story. After living a completely miserable/meaningless life for the past 8 years, he realized that his only purpose in life is to be Batman. This time though, it's apparent that he's physically and mentally beaten to where he can't continue to be Batman any longer. In Dark Knight he said "Batman has no limits," and he "can't afford to know them," but he finally realized that he had been pushed to the limit.

The "life after Batman" that he wanted can't truly exist since Rachael died, Gotham (even though he saved it) is still in shambles, and his mind and body barely escaped Bane and Talia, as he was over matched in pretty much every way. As he was coasting over the open water with the bomb, I was just picturing him imagining all these things and realizing his fate was to die a hero.

As for the whole "auto-pilot" thing, I felt that was told to the audience to let us know that Batman had the option to get out of the plane with the auto-pilot feature, but he chose not to.

Just my thoughts. K I'm done. But wow, the movie was incredible. Loved it!

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Avoided reading anything in this thread, but just here to post that I am seeing this at 3. About to leave and go get in line. Already purchased tickets luckily. PUMPED.
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I can honestly admit that when Bane had Batman wrapped in the noose (I think that's when it was) after Talia stabbed him, I honestly thought that's when they might have killed him. It's all 20/20 hindsight now that I look back, but it was an actual legit thought at the time. I loved how they teased him dying all throughout the last hour
Me too. I thought Bane was going to pick him up into a back breaker.
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I enjoyed this movie,but Dark Knight is a little better. But both great.
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liked it more than The Dark Knight which was my favorite movie

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did the end make anybody think of Inception? fantasy/dream... ect
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Yeah and why were they still in their full uniforms? You'd think by that point they'd be like "you know what, fuck this I'm taking my shirt off".
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Hate everyone saying this just because it's the same director.
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The Dark Knight is still the superior movie imo. I liked TDKR and its probably better from an acting standpoint but I just don't see how people say it was better than TDK. Some nice touches with continuity arcing across the movies but also some issues with the overall plot, IMO.

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I have pretty much no issues with the first third of the movie, which we'll say ends with Bane beating the hell out of Batman. Tough to watch by design and really does Bane justice as a menace and shows just how out of "game shape" Batman was. As another poster pointed out previously, Bane found a problem with the graphite. Someone else touched on how arrogant Bruce was, basically saying of Bane, yeah whatever, I'll fight harder and being completely screwed once he got face to face with Bane. Speaking of Alfred, the fallout between he and Bruce was powerful stuff. The way they reintroduced Batman back into Gotham was awesome. I thought the way that the movie explained how Daggett was trying to get control of Wayne Industries and how Bane was tied into it was clunky and convoluted.

The second third of the movie was weird - I didn't love it.
Catwoman trying to leave town was an important advance for the character (as if to say,this sucks/I screwed up, I'm done with this) but kinda went backwards later in the movie when she told Batman "F the city, get yourself out". The Harvey Dent thing in the beginning played into this part of the movie but didn't really have any demonstrable effect on anything thereafter beyond the conversation with Blake and Gordon. Bruce's time in the prison was a useful tool to advance the character and get him where he needed to be so to speak. The return of Ra's Al Ghul was cool but assuming it was the real him (which seems to be a given to me, since he says that there are "many forms of immortality"), it was weird to not have him appear for the rest of the movie, especially with how heavy themed the move was towards the League of Shadows. Why have someone else do your dirty work? A lot of time on Blake here, which I didn't hate but kinda dragged the movie here - necessary to set up the final act but slowed things.

I'm not sure how how I feel about the last third of the movie. Batman returns to save the city and bests Bane despite not being in a measurably better circumstance than in round one, which I had a problem with. If you've read the comics, you saw the Talia thing coming but the emotion on Batman's face when it happens still makes it worth watching. Catwoman flip flops as I mentioned before - coming back to save Batman but basically saying screw the city, you don't owe them anymore. A lot of time spent on the battle for the city and a lot less focus on actual characters - seems like Nolan spent a lot of time doing something very LOTResque and not very Batmanesque.


Which brings me to the ending itself, I go back to the quote from TDK "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian" and I think that's what shaped the ending but I found the ending to be a little bit of a copout. I know Nolan does not want anyone picking up with "his series" and wanted to close the circle but I didn't find the ending to be consistent with the rest of the series or the movie itself. He gets out of the prison by learning to fear death but is ready to give his life at the end. In BB, he understood that death was a possibility but wasn't ready just to give his life up when confronting Ras. Same with Joker in TDK. It was like the character made a leap and then a leap back, similar to Catwoman.

All of that said, I think this was a better movie from an acting standpoint. You could tell that Gordon was burdened by what he knew with Dent and carrying the secret - great job by Gary Oldman. Bruce was clearly burdened by what happened - Dent/losing Rachel and was diminished both in character and as Batman. Bane was a beast and Michael Caine's short amount of screen time was still great stuff. Certainly a likable movie but probably the weakest of the series, imo.
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The Dark Knight is still the superior movie imo. I liked TDKR and its probably better from an acting standpoint but I just don't see how people say it was better than TDK. Some nice touches with continuity arcing across the movies but also some issues with the overall plot, IMO.

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I have pretty much no issues with the first third of the movie, which we'll say ends with Bane beating the hell out of Batman. Tough to watch by design and really does Bane justice as a menace and shows just how out of "game shape" Batman was. As another poster pointed out previously, Bane found a problem with the graphite. Someone else touched on how arrogant Bruce was, basically saying of Bane, yeah whatever, I'll fight harder and being completely screwed once he got face to face with Bane. Speaking of Alfred, the fallout between he and Bruce was powerful stuff. The way they reintroduced Batman back into Gotham was awesome. I thought the way that the movie explained how Daggett was trying to get control of Wayne Industries and how Bane was tied into it was clunky and convoluted.

The second third of the movie was weird - I didn't love it.
Catwoman trying to leave town was an important advance for the character (as if to say,this sucks/I screwed up, I'm done with this) but kinda went backwards later in the movie when she told Batman "F the city, get yourself out". The Harvey Dent thing in the beginning played into this part of the movie but didn't really have any demonstrable effect on anything thereafter beyond the conversation with Blake and Gordon. Bruce's time in the prison was a useful tool to advance the character and get him where he needed to be so to speak. The return of Ra's Al Ghul was cool but assuming it was the real him (which seems to be a given to me, since he says that there are "many forms of immortality"), it was weird to not have him appear for the rest of the movie, especially with how heavy themed the move was towards the League of Shadows. Why have someone else do your dirty work? A lot of time on Blake here, which I didn't hate but kinda dragged the movie here - necessary to set up the final act but slowed things.

I'm not sure how how I feel about the last third of the movie. Batman returns to save the city and bests Bane despite not being in a measurably better circumstance than in round one, which I had a problem with. If you've read the comics, you saw the Talia thing coming but the emotion on Batman's face when it happens still makes it worth watching. Catwoman flip flops as I mentioned before - coming back to save Batman but basically saying screw the city, you don't owe them anymore. A lot of time spent on the battle for the city and a lot less focus on actual characters - seems like Nolan spent a lot of time doing something very LOTResque and not very Batmanesque.


Which brings me to the ending itself, I go back to the quote from TDK "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian" and I think that's what shaped the ending but I found the ending to be a little bit of a copout. I know Nolan does not want anyone picking up with "his series" and wanted to close the circle but I didn't find the ending to be consistent with the rest of the series or the movie itself. He gets out of the prison by learning to fear death but is ready to give his life at the end. In BB, he understood that death was a possibility but wasn't ready just to give his life up when confronting Ras. Same with Joker in TDK. It was like the character made a leap and then a leap back, similar to Catwoman.

All of that said, I think this was a better movie from an acting standpoint. You could tell that Gordon was burdened by what he knew with Dent and carrying the secret - great job by Gary Oldman. Bruce was clearly burdened by what happened - Dent/losing Rachel and was diminished both in character and as Batman. Bane was a beast and Michael Caine's short amount of screen time was still great stuff. Certainly a likable movie but probably the weakest of the series, imo.
Dude, you are way over-analysing this movie. Just enjoy it.
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Not really in to Batman but went to see it with friends last night and I loved it. I saw The Dark Knight 4 years ago and it was okay. I didn't really "get" the story then though as I'd never seen a Batman before it or knew the story so that's probably why I enjoyed this one a lot more. Will definitely watch again (and the whole trilogy probably so I can make full sense of the whole thing).
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I saw the movie with a group of friends, and after the movie ended, everyone was split on the ending. Half of us (including myself) thinks Batman died in the explosion, and the other half believed he lived.

I thought the scene at the end with Wayne and Selena was part of Alfred's imagination, because there's no way that Batman could have escaped that atomic bomb in 3 seconds over open water, as it was supposed to cover a 6 mile radius (I know it's a Batman flick, but Nolan doesn't like to pull "unrealistic" or fantasy magic tricks with Batman).

Batman dying with the bomb just makes perfect sense to the story. After living a completely miserable/meaningless life for the past 8 years, he realized that his only purpose in life is to be Batman. This time though, it's apparent that he's physically and mentally beaten to where he can't continue to be Batman any longer. In Dark Knight he said "Batman has no limits," and he "can't afford to know them," but he finally realized that he had been pushed to the limit.

The "life after Batman" that he wanted can't truly exist since Rachael died, Gotham (even though he saved it) is still in shambles, and his mind and body barely escaped Bane and Talia, as he was over matched in pretty much every way. As he was coasting over the open water with the bomb, I was just picturing him imagining all these things and realizing his fate was to die a hero.

As for the whole "auto-pilot" thing, I felt that was told to the audience to let us know that Batman had the option to get out of the plane with the auto-pilot feature, but he chose not to.

Just my thoughts. K I'm done. But wow, the movie was incredible. Loved it!

I think the ending was pretty straight forward.

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Batman lived. He never piloted the Bat out into the ocean, but probably ejected well before it ever left the edge of the city. The scene after the burial with Lucius Fox discovering that Bruce had done maintenance on the Bat was meant to show that the auto pilot had been repaired, giving Batman a way out of the apparently "final" ending with the bomb. Follow that up with John Blake receiving the package and instructions to find the Batcave as well as Alfred physically seeing Bruce Wayne alive at the end makes for a pretty unambiguous ending: Bruce survived. Suggestions that Alfred may have imagined Bruce and Selina in the cafe at the end don't really hold up considering the fact that Alfred never saw them together and only knew that Bruce was tracking her to get back his mother's stolen necklace. It would make more logical sense for Alfred to imagine seeing Bruce with Miranda Tate, or with an unknown woman. The fact that it was Selina and Bruce pretty much confirms that it was reality. I've also heard the suggestion that the lost necklace was brought up again during the final will and testament of Bruce Wayne scene because it suggests that Alfred used the tracking device inside the necklace to find Bruce and Selina.
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Great movie. Can't even describe how epic it was.

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The only thing that annoyed me was how they handled Roland Daggett. The guy is supposed to be Clayface. And Bane kills him just like that? They should have just given him a different name instead of teasing me like that.
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Batman lived. He never piloted the Bat out into the ocean, but probably ejected well before it ever left the edge of the city. The scene after the burial with Lucius Fox discovering that Bruce had done maintenance on the Bat was meant to show that the auto pilot had been repaired, giving Batman a way out of the apparently "final" ending with the bomb. Follow that up with John Blake receiving the package and instructions to find the Batcave as well as Alfred physically seeing Bruce Wayne alive at the end makes for a pretty unambiguous ending: Bruce survived. Suggestions that Alfred may have imagined Bruce and Selina in the cafe at the end don't really hold up considering the fact that Alfred never saw them together and only knew that Bruce was tracking her to get back his mother's stolen necklace. It would make more logical sense for Alfred to imagine seeing Bruce with Miranda Tate, or with an unknown woman. The fact that it was Selina and Bruce pretty much confirms that it was reality. I've also heard the suggestion that the lost necklace was brought up again during the final will and testament of Bruce Wayne scene because it suggests that Alfred used the tracking device inside the necklace to find Bruce and Selina.
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I think Bruce found Alfred, not the other way around. He knew Alfred took a vacation to the same place every year due to him saying so earlier in the movie. He allowed him to live out the little fantasy Alfred told him about, and let him see that he was really alive. He couldn't leave Alfred thinking he was dead and that he failed as that would just be cruel and Alfred really did love him and care about the family.
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Also. WHAT A FUCKING GREAT MOVIE.

Liked it better than TDK, which I didn't think was possible. Last 30-40 minutes of the movie had me choked up. Felt a permanent lump in my throat and was forcing myself not to tear up.
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I'm pretty sure it's shut down to clean it up and I think there's a candlelight vigil thing there tonight. Anyway I wouldn't go to Aurora either way though, they just have cops stationed outside every theater I would imagine. And cops coming in to sweep the theater ever so often. I was formulating escape plans through like half the movie.
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people coming in to check the emergency exit was also kinda weird. and this cop came in like halfway through and was looking from the aisle but I couldn't tell he was a cop so I was 100p sure he was going to murder everyone.
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