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Old 07-29-2012, 01:12 PM   #1041
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Wish Crane wore his mask and a hangman's noose at the trials. It would have a thematic effect for me, personally.
Me too, I'm just glad he was in the movie however.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:18 PM   #1042
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Once upon a time, after Batman Begins launched, there was an idea that Ellen Page (fresh of X3) should be the Nolan-verse Robin. When got she into Inception I thought about her as Robin more seriously.

Guess they were close.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:46 PM   #1043
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I still dont get how anyone could think the ending isnt as absolute as it actually is. Alfred only knows Selina as a thief not only from the manor but from the files Bruce dug up on the Bat computer. Hed have exactly zero reason to "dream" Bruce is alive and happy with Selina.
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Once upon a time, after Batman Begins launched, there was an idea that Ellen Page (fresh of X3) should be the Nolan-verse Robin. When got she into Inception I thought about her as Robin more seriously.

Guess they were close.
That woulda been neat. Kinda do Robin like Carrie Kelly from Dark Knight Returns, or even Stephanie Brown.
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There's quite a few Dark Knight Returns vibes from this movie as well.
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:12 PM   #1046
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Already saw it again. Still loved it. The first hour didn't drag as much as I remembered. Reavant was pretty much right. You really do view things a bit differently knowing how it ends.

Unlike what Hanso claims, I didn't fail to connect the dots/miss the point/etc the first time. It had everything to do with my mindset. I went in to the film fully expecting Bruce to get killed off, and most of what happened during the movie enhanced that belief. Even watching it the second time it felt like that that was where it was heading. The look on Bats' face when the bomb was 5 seconds away from detonating just said it all to me. He looked like a man who had accepted his fate. Because I was so wrapped up in the notion of Bruce actually dying I definitely see why I perceived everything that happened post-explosion the way I did. Bruce Wayne never fails to plan ahead - so that explained everything being nicely laid out for when he was gone with the bat signal being fixed, Robin being prepared to take the reigns, etc. The auto pilot had been repaired, but it was before Bane's hostile takeover had even begun. And then there was the whole Alfred thing which I had already mentioned.

In watching with a more clear mind the second time, I'm still not convinced the ending was as black and white as people want to make it out to be. I'm willing to concede that Bruce probably did live as it's the simplest, happiest way to wrap up the trilogy plus it gives a concrete ending for those who wanted it. But I think it was designed to leave just enough up for speculation to the contrary for those who wanted to dig deeper into it. Unless Nolan says otherwise, I stand by that.

And really, it doesn't matter. No matter what Bruce's fate was, it'd have no effect on my overall opinion of the movie. It was brilliant. Nolan did about as perfect of a job as you could with this trilogy.
Say what you will, you needed to pay to see a movie twice to understand what we all did in one viewing.

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to be fair i thought the ending was a little up in the air as well the first time i saw it. The second viewing cleared everything up.
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:45 PM   #1048
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Saw it last night, thought the ending was pretty clear that Bruce gave Alfred what he wanted, to see him and know he was happy.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:23 PM   #1049
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Say what you will, you needed to pay to see a movie twice to understand what we all did in one viewing.

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Dude, go fuck yourself.

Or a tranny dressed up like Batman. Whatever.
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:35 AM   #1050
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Saw it for the third time today on a true IMAX screen. It was ridiculously awesome.
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David Fincher should direct the next Batman.
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Good idea, dronepool. I was thinking of who would have the ability to start a new series of films, and Fincher is a good choice. I thought maybe Aronofsky, but I have read about his Batman treatment, and it sounded atrocious. How about Guillermo Del Toro? Hellboy was pretty good. Second one was, as well.
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I had to see it twice before i heard the autopilot thing, people were loud.
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Batman doesn't seem like Del Toro's thing. If he did do it, I guarantee Killer Croc, Man-Bat and other fantastical creatures would get in. Think about it.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:11 AM   #1055
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That might be the way to go, honestly. Nolan's pretty much wrapped up the "realistic" vision of Batman for the near future. Maybe a turn towards the more incredible elements could be interesting, done right.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:26 AM   #1056
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In that case Del Toro's the guy to do it. That would get me pretty hyped for CLAYFACE.
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My only gripe with Clayface is hed certainly have to be 100% cgi, which I am not a fan of. As long as the films continue to center around Bruce and his plight, I will be happy. Id rather not have a Batman thats just there.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:52 AM   #1059
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It was good. I didn't feel the same as I did after watching the previous two but definitely worth seeing.
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Dude, go fuck yourself.

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I didnt realize this involved all Fat, Ugly Virgins. I was simply talkign to Vito, I didnt mean to get your already astronomical blood pressure up. Calm down.
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Back to Batman, damnit! Who should be considered to take the reigns and deliver a new Dark Knight?
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I don't know about director but I always wanted Guy Pearce to be Bruce Wayne/Batman. Particularly a Batman Inc./Gotham Knights Leader version where he leads a team. I wanna see Robin, Batgirl, and Nightwing. This is an area that can be done well and taken seriously. It's also largely unexplored aside from Batman & Robin which just doesn't count for many reasons.

I think we should bypass an origin story altogether and center the next trilogy around the trials of being a surrogate father and team leader to those young people.
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Was the reason he had a bum knee in the begining due to the fact that he fell 30 feet in TDK
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I had the same sentiments earlier, Kalyx. Pierce would be great. He has the chops to pull of the duality role, and personally, as I statrd earlier, watching a series of films centered around Bruce adopting, training, working along side of and eventually losing Dick wouldbe interesting to me. Delves into a part of the character we have to see on film.
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A couple of questions that Batman fans/more alert movie watchers than me may be able to answer;

In the film, did Bane have some kind of super power? Early in the film it looked like he had magnetic hands which was how I thought Batman was going to defeat him. Transport a lot of metal from Gotham Scrapyard.

If Tommy from 3rd Rock from the sun is expected to take on the Batman role, how would he be able to do it without the Wayne Enterprises resources that Bruce had?

And if there is an orphanage above, isn't there a danger that one of the kids might learn how not to play the piano and discover the cave?

Also, who really cared about that guy from Torchwood being exiled and falling through the ice? That should have been one of the more prominent board members. I initially thought Morgan Freedman but maybe that third guy boardmember that activated the fusion reactor.

Finally, I will never trust Michael Caine ever again. I trusted those fake tears.
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Lucious Fox and the tech leftover (Batcave, Batpod, assorted gear).

I like how Joseph can do these hit movies and still be that 'kid from 3rd Rock'. People say it almost as a strike against him. I never watched 3rd Rock, perhaps his role there was so definitive people can't let that go. idk

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Or even find that well Bruce fell into in the garden. The waterfall as well. More than likely the stuff of a Robin origin down the line.

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I think the point was lawlessness disguised as law, with a former Arkham patient playing the judge. Given his affiliations earlier, I don't think we're supposed to sympathize with him per se, rather than see what Gotham has degenerated into. There were many more bodies out in the icy waters.

I mean I know you're doing some shallow criticism of the movie but I'm answering best I can.

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They were serious questions

Bane looked like he had some sort of power in his hands, nothing in the flashback suggested a reason why he was so strong which made me think I either missed something in Bane's dialogue (which was really in and out for me at times in terms of audibility) or I just over analysed those early scenes. Did he have super strength, was it explained in the film? I feel like I missed something big there.

Maybe underestimating the lifetime of the tech that Bruce Wayne already had. I just assumed replacement parts and maintencance would be quite expensive for somebody without a job.

That scene on the ice was bizarre. The henchman even showed a degree of sympathy with the guy that had been exiled, it just didn't come across well. I know Bane didn't care either way and more than likely wanted him dead whenever but why not just kill him when he killed his boss. I don't recall him re-appearing in between those two scenes. If there was a spare 'good' character lying around, it would have made more sense to me personally.

It was a good film and I enjoyed your point earlier about how it made the other two films make more sense but at times I felt the film on it's own lacked the completeness of the other two as stand alones. Maybe that's more of a result of being the film that rounds off the series. Speaking of rounding things off, I wasn't a big fan of the last scenes sho0wing brief 'this is what happened after moments'. In a long film it came across as rushed, there you go extras which is why that thing with Alfred annoys me slightly. One moment he is bawling his eyes out the next he's in Florence.
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Nah, he's just a beast like that.

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Lucious Fox isn't going to charge him for protecting Gotham.

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Like I said, just a scene to show how fucked up things got.

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Fairly certain there's been some passive of time between each epilogue scene, perhaps into weeks. And Alfred didn't look like the happiest man on Earth. Bruce in fact did. lol
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Nah, he's just a beast like that.

Lucious Fox isn't going to charge him for protecting Gotham.

Like I said, just a scene to show how fucked up things got.

Fairly certain there's been some passive of time between each epilogue scene, perhaps into weeks. And Alfred didn't look like the happiest man on Earth. Bruce in fact did. lol
Bane was a good character. He did seem to possess ridiculous strength that wasn't really addressed and I actually thought there was some sort of device behind him early in the film. I mean I get you can just say he was just abnormally strong but it was off the richter scale strong. The rest of the series didn't seem to have that sort of implasuibility behind a villain's character make up. I liked the twist with Miranda yet thought it harmed the build up that had went into Bane the character up until that point.

Blake isn't going to control his own destiny and he doesn't have a job to finance his own crusade. I guess I don't like that development. What if Fox dies, loses control of the board or goes insane? Just, hate those quick scenes at the end, regardless of how much time passes. Alfred one I indicated is the worst for me though.

To add to that river scene, something else I wasn't fond of was Foley's redemption of sort (my thought in brackets). He comes to the fight (yay), dead (oh, well, doesn't really matter).

Maybe some of it means more to Batman fans that know a bit more of the backstory. I didn't get these sort of reactions to the other two, though.
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The Foley death rubbed me the wrong way as well. He mustered up the will to fight, I expected him to make a slight difference in a heroic sense. Then he gets killed, and it kinda makes Gordon look like a dick as he was actually better off at home. If he made a big save and then died it would have been better for me.
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Bane wasn't just a man with incredible strength. He was a former member of the League of Shadows. A martial arts expert. Combining that sort of strength with the ability to leverage it against even the toughest opponents makes him a formidable foe.
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Ive seen it was an awesome film loved the ending but I really wish they had specified Banes injury I was curious as to what type of injury would keep him in constant pain if not relived via the mask any ideas?
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Actually I think the doctor botched his work on him, perhaps something involving his nerves. They never specify.
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I really hope the next Batman sticks to looking good even if it goes a different direction. I just prefer it not to look or feel like a super high budget Power Rangers movie, which was what Avengers made me think of, even if it was a good movie.

I think a mix Se7en and Hellboy would be cool.
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As a Power Ranger fan I can't say I see what you're saying there. Do you mean the bright colors?
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The brightness is one thing as well but I meant it makes it obvious it's a comic book/superhero movie. Nolan's Batman is more comic inspired than 'superhero' and it has more depth.
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