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06-27-2007, 04:04 PM
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Exactly. The only thing I can say about Benoit is that if I was religious, he would be in my prayers. I'd pray for his soul because he needs it.
Other than that, I can't have anything for him but disgust and anger. "I don't understand things like this, and I probably never will." - Edge |
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06-27-2007, 04:05 PM
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So what if we only knew him in the ring? Its tough when you hear of someone you grew up watching on TV and looked upto becoming a murderer.
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06-27-2007, 04:06 PM
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06-27-2007, 04:09 PM
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I haven't lied to myself at all really, but yeah i get your point.
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06-27-2007, 04:22 PM
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I can't look at Benoit the same, but the fact is I still enjoyed his work and nothing can change that. I don't wish any man to hell, and I hope God has mercy on his soul. His family has been in my thoughts ever since this unfolded.
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06-27-2007, 04:23 PM
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Yeah. It's just plain tough.
Hell, I'm pretty sure you'll hear non-wrestling fans just tear him a new one. Call him a monster, a sicko, a fucked up piece of shit and all that. You'll hear that, because to most people (who don't follow wrestling), he's just a freak who killed his family for no apparent reason, AND was apparently shooting his son up with HGH (that's just fucking creepy; I don't care of Daniel had dwarfism or fragile X syndrome... unless it was under doctor's orders). To people who don't know him, he's just another sick murderer. To us, he's a guy we loved and respected... who turned out to be a sick murderer. And THAT'S why it's disgusting to accept. For us. Who "knew" him. |
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06-27-2007, 04:31 PM
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You said it best Corkscrewed.
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06-27-2007, 05:27 PM
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I guess this means I'm not allowed to have a different opinion than you or actually have morals. 
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06-27-2007, 06:25 PM
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AccessNorthGa.com has posted the following Associated Press story on their site:
Professional wrestler Chris Benoit met with his personal physician hours before he allegedly killed his wife and son and then hanged himself in his basement, the doctor said Wednesday. "He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," said Dr. Phil Astin of metro Atlanta. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything." Authorities say Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley over the weekend. No motive was offered for the killings, which were spread out over the weekend and discovered Monday. Astin, who said he was Benoit's longtime friend and physician, said he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of the hormone. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of the meeting. "I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," said Benoit. "He worshipped his child." Investigators said Benoit's 43-year-old wife was strangled Friday with what appeared to be a cable in an upstairs family room, and her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, and his body was found in his bed, the district attorney said. Before the killings, the family was struggling with how to care for the child, who suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "Him and Nancy were clearly struggling about this whole issue, about how to take care of Daniel," said McDevitt. "I don't know what he confronted when he went back into the house," he said. "No one really knows that. We'll have to see. Clearly this issue of the son was a stressor on both of their relationships for some time." District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on his neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said. Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs may have caused the muscle man nicknamed the "Canadian Crippler" to kill his wife and child and then himself. The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs. "The drugs they had found in there, including the steroids, were all pursuant to legitimate prescription. We know they know which doctor prescribed it," McDevitt said. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies." While steroids can cause the paranoia and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage," the drug is also associated with deep and lengthy bouts of depression. "Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future." That is from Wrestlezone.com. The more info we get, the more confused I get. |
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06-27-2007, 06:57 PM
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I'm sure we can come up with more... it's really nothing new in the sense of "someone we watched" I think where it's new is the generation it hits... typically these are older stars and hit an older group a group of who was already been exposed to murder in the news for decades.. in this case you have pimple faced kids with voices changing and trying to figure out puberty who remember Benoit in the first wrestling show they ever watched and have no clue how to feel or react. |
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06-27-2007, 07:12 PM
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on a side note... has any thought/consideration been given about post concussion symdrome? it's also known to cause major mood swings and depression...
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06-27-2007, 07:17 PM
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Looks like the News about Autism being reversed never got to Chris in time.
Not really said much on this issue though. On Sunday, there was only one match that i was looking forward to on the Vengeance card, and that was the Chris Benoit vs CM Punk match. A few days prior i told my friend of the really good match which Elijah Burke and Benoit had, so i had hopes of the match being top notch on Sunday. A general feeling of disapointment swept through me when they announced that Benoit was having some personal issues and had to fly home, i didnt feel it was serious so i was going to decide to watch the following ECW and see what developed of the storyline that was bound to happen. Late on Monday i had the intention of going to bed fairly early [Since i did afterall stay up to watch the PPV, but also because ive had a fair few problems of my own recently so i wanted the kip to refresh myself]. Just before going i checked the TPWW website. My heart sank when i seen what the main story was. [This one]. I tried to get onto the WWE website but it seems like it had been overloaded. At the time, i only seen the title of the thread [Since TPWW was also dying] so i had this really sad feeling that my favorite wrestler had passed. When WWE did finally start working i then found out about other members of the family dying, i didnt know what to think. Was it a burgulary gone wrong? Was there some type of environmental issue which caused this. At no point did the thought of Chris actually killing anyone and himself come into my mind. There was only about 15-20 minutes til Raw aired, so i decided that i would watch that, the look on Vince McMahon was real sad, but also on the looks of Taz and JBL as well, the comment about JBL having a child-like face was all too true, i only remembered seeing it once before - When Eddie died. After every break [Jesus, people wasnt joking about all these commercial breaks Raw has been getting] i would rush on upstairs and get some more information - Which wasnt happening because TPWW was still running extremely slow. When each of the "remeberence" video's where shown i didnt get sad, or upset.Something seemed different. I remember when Eddie died [Also stayed up for that tribute] i was crying for days, but that feeling wasnt there for Chris, and this was before i found out about what had happened. It was all too strange to me. The only time i was close to making any tears was when i was watching the Edge Remeberence, that really was a sad moment. After it all, i went to bed, woke up and checked it all, this is when the news started coming out that foul play may have been involved. I didnt really WANT to believe it, so i was trying to find some other logical explanations and for most of the day i was getting the information as it happened - albeit some where rumours, but the denial for it all started to waiver. I was shocked to hear about the tying up of his wife, im not a person who respects a man who hits a woman or child... So when you find out that one of the greatest wrestlers you knew and respected did this, you have to take a step back and go "woah... what the fuck?" The bible by the bodies i felt would signify something like opening the gateway to heaven for the deceased, but me personally, im not a religious person so who knows - I just feel he wasnt in his right mind when it all transpired, or was he? I just dont know. What i do know is, that some of my favorite wrestlers have died over the past 10 years or so, Owen Hart, whom i was a huge fan of back when i was a kid, the British Bulldog because i met him in the town i live at during a local promotion and Eddie Guerrero for simply touching my heart, i never felt the same after the Eddie death, and with what Lawler said at the very end of Raw about loving family, that is one thing i have always had a problem with, and i hope that somehow i can take that message in that he gave over this whole situation... Hm.. too much. 
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06-27-2007, 07:18 PM
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06-27-2007, 07:23 PM
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06-27-2007, 07:26 PM
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Frankly, this whole thing is fucked up.
But I'm really starting to think that the issue might very well have been the domestic dispute about Daniel, something that dragged him down over the past few months or years. Something he didn't share with anyone else outside of the family. Something that pushed him over the edge on Friday/Saturday night. |
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06-27-2007, 07:28 PM
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06-27-2007, 07:34 PM
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While Edge and Batista had their "Do or Die" match Sunday at the PPV, Benoit and his family were having their own "Do or Die" match.
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06-27-2007, 07:47 PM
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06-27-2007, 07:48 PM
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lol KoOs
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06-27-2007, 07:52 PM
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Im thinking the stress of coping with his child/wwe got too much.
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06-27-2007, 07:56 PM
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O'Reilly is all about wrestling deaths right now btw.
Interesting comment about Superfly causing the death of someone on the road and beating up women regularly. He a sick fuck too? |
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06-27-2007, 07:58 PM
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Fuck O'reilly.
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06-27-2007, 08:05 PM
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Yeah cause wrestlers are the lowest form of human beings around.
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06-27-2007, 08:06 PM
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06-27-2007, 08:07 PM
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06-27-2007, 08:10 PM
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Bill O'Reilly is a piece of conservative shit.
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06-27-2007, 08:12 PM
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It seems now that the major area of contention has changed from "Do you really think he did it?/Let's hope he didn't do it/Here's hoping there's more to this than meets the eye" to "Do you still respect his legacy/career?"
The way I see it is like this... I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone of the belief that Harold Shipman was a damn fine doctor before he killed those 215 people. Or that Fred West was a great labourer/father before he killed those 12 girls/raped his own daughter. My point kinda follows on from where Corky left off. Shipman and West were not known to the world until these heinous crimes were revealed where as Benoit was. I guess that's their great difference. I guess their similarity comes in the fact that all 3 men commited suicide before justice was served (Shipman commited suicide in prison) What Benoit did over the weekend has eclipsed his career. As a bare minimum it has greatly tainted it. As much as I could still watch a Benoit match and see the briliance of the guy, I'd always be thinking about what he did. Quite simply I don't wanna be thinking about it, so I'll be finding it difficult to watch anything with Benoit in it. Ever. |
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06-27-2007, 08:40 PM
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ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."
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06-27-2007, 08:42 PM
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If you read Jillian Hall's blog she has become the 1st WWE superstar to speak out against Benoit.She said she is 100% behind Vince erasing all of Benoit's tributes and said that what he did is completely disgusting and unforgiveable.Though she did mention that Benoit was always nice to her.
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06-27-2007, 08:45 PM
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This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.
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06-27-2007, 08:49 PM
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06-27-2007, 08:50 PM
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06-27-2007, 09:14 PM
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Even Bret has been defending Vince and the WWE, as far as the steriods and it contributing to the deaths.
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06-27-2007, 09:27 PM
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Wow O'Reilly was blaming Nancy for even being with Chris, basically blaming her for her own death.
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06-27-2007, 09:32 PM
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It's Bill O'Reilly, what can you expect, nobody listens to him.
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06-27-2007, 09:36 PM
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06-27-2007, 10:00 PM
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Neither jusitfying nor condoning what happened, I have to question whether the first death was intentional. The timeline of events almost indicate like this was malicious and planned out, but if he went to the doctors the same day for a prescription, logic would say that he didn't have any intention of dying.
Also, Nancy's arms and legs being bound is bizarre as well - if it was a murder done with the knowledge of murder, or even in the heat of the murder, the priority wouldn't be to restrain, it would be to go straight to choke her. And if it was done afterwards, then it makes no sense and serves no purpose. Then again, none of this makes any sense. I guess part of me just wants this not to be as ugly as it appears. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. |
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