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Old 07-19-2011, 10:58 PM   #17881
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I guess the WWE gave more weeks for this season of NXT since they haven't done the season finale or any more eliminations after going down to the final 2 and then adding Bateman into the mix.

Also weird how Bateman is suddenly a heel for no real reason except for him referencing how NXT is just a popularity contest.
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:03 PM   #17882
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:09 PM   #17883
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they should get talent or push people that are good and get rid of cena
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:16 PM   #17884
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You really think they don't have any talent? You really think that not having Cena would fix everything? Is that really what you think?
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:38 PM   #17885
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I don't see any problem in wrestling that cannot be solved with the addition of Glacier.
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:42 PM   #17886
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:57 PM   #17887
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God did Cena eat the living fuck out of that knee.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:03 AM   #17888
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:09 AM   #17889
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:24 AM   #17890
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:42 AM   #17891
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Fuck the ratings, here's a little garbage.

Spend a lot more time developing mic skills for everyone. They have some good/decent promo guys, but good or entertaining promos can blow everything up in a moment's notice. Anyone who has the ability to say/create things that get massive pops should be focused on, and be supported with good stories and angles.

What Vince said about one man not being bigger than the WWE, whether it was just script garbage or not is entirely untrue when it comes to connecting with the audience. None of that shit matters when there's a microphone standing between who they paid to see and "them."

Restore the tag team division, I have bitched about this numerous times. It is okay in today's climate to have gimmicky classic style tag teams. This is such an untouched area in what could be improved upon. Does anyone remember Edge and Christian, The Hardies, Dudley Boys, New Age Outlaws, Headbangers, I could go on and on. They were part of "that show."

Cut out all the fat on your roster, unify the brands and give the TV time only to those who have proven themselves to be the future. Divert that money into a more serious scouting program. If you want to comb the industry for your next mega star, do it right. Don't send a guy out to win the WWE title who will only contribute to making it meaningless, and on the way down, get beat by the "jobber with a name."

Lastly, book like it makes sense. The only established "totem pole" seems to only exist near the top. Everyone just running around randomly beating each other makes it feel like there is no structure to what is going on. Back in the day there were jobbers to help get guys over without a random cluster fuck of putting each other over all the time. That's probably outdated at this point, but if you're going to start turning your "names" into jobbers they cannot come back and destroy some guy two weeks later.

Lastly, keep mentioning TNA or hinting at competition. It is healthy.

Anyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with the product is delusional. Anyone who tells people to stop craving "attitude era" is just more willing to be pleased by something that doesn't deliver nearly as often. They announced The Rock for WM28 a year before it happened. When's the last time he wrestled again?

There's been one guy getting more of a reaction than someone who's been off just filming movies for years: CM Punk. And where's he at?

Getting popped in a cubs game while McMahon tries to cut a promo with John Cena.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:49 AM   #17892
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It will just take them putting on solid shows for a long time really. I mean, the ratings didn't start picking up big time with Austin for at least a year after he started getting pushed to the top. They've had more buzz on the product in the last month than they have in a while. Regardless of ratings, that shows that they're doing something right. They just need to keep up the momentum.
I think if anything, the WWE proved with the CM Punk/Cena angle they can screw up even the hottest of angles. I mean, buzz at MITB was said to be WM like, but you'd never know it watching RAW. Just seemed like another insignifigant RAW and treated as filler. I'm beginning to wonder if WWE can come up with a "solution". They've proved time and again that they think they'll always be on top, regardless of how good or bad the product is. Well, numbers don't lie, and the fans know when no effort is used to promote your product. More time is wasted on useless entertainment than having a great match...
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:54 AM   #17893
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:39 AM   #17894
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Also, wrestling comes on rather "late at night" for youngins. Stop the PG shit and put it on Saturdays, like superstars or something could be the PG show, with the PG guys, they could even have a PG championship.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:59 AM   #17895
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:41 AM   #17896
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Not sure how it works over there, but in the UK, not all homes have satellite/cable, it's a luxury that a lot of people can no longer afford. Do all/most homes have access to Raw?

Also, the internet/streaming wasn't as big during the Attitude Era as it is now, has that effected viewing figures.

And lastly, as a fan, should I really care what the ratings are?
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:16 AM   #17897
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Anyone complaining about TV-PG and thinking getting rid of that, and/or John Cena, will solve their problems is delusional and an idiot. Cursing and stupid sex/dog killing storylines does not make a wrestling show better. They're doing great right now and it will just take time for the ratings to pick up
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:50 AM   #17898
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It's going to take a while to convince people that they can be consistent again. At least the ratings moved in the right direction. I don't think there's a need for a massive overhaul or anything. They just have to keep putting out quality stuff and things may change over time.
I agree with this, and Fox's post. As said, Rome wasn't built in a day, and the WWE should stop freaking out about ratings. Hey, after all the risks they've taken in recent weeks, their rating is pretty much what is has been. So that's shown they can work without the safety net sometime. All they need to do is prove that they are a consistently entertaining program, and hope that more people become fans, and not less.

Although I'm yet to see this week's RAW, I think it would have been more beneficial for the WWE to pace out their tournament a bit more. Give the matches more time by only having the first round on the first week. Confirm that the semi-finals will be next week. Dolph Ziggler is going to look more important if he gets ten minutes to hang with Rey Mysterio instead of five, for example. There was nothing technically wrong with any of the matches the WWE put forward, but it felt like several weeks of possible developments rushed into one show.

I do like that they put off the finals to next week. Good idea, it's episodic booking. Just chill out and don't rush things, and let your entire roster shine.
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:56 AM   #17899
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Although I'm yet to see this week's RAW, I think it would have been more beneficial for the WWE to pace out their tournament a bit more. Give the matches more time by only having the first round on the first week. Confirm that the semi-finals will be next week. Dolph Ziggler is going to look more important if he gets ten minutes to hang with Rey Mysterio instead of five, for example. There was nothing technically wrong with any of the matches the WWE put forward, but it felt like several weeks of possible developments rushed into one show.
I disagree slightly. They needed to do the tournament in one night from a storyline point of view so everybody could forget CM Punk ever walked out of the championship with the only thing stopping the final was Vince's ego. There may now be a slower paced tournament as HHH can throw the existing tournament out, maybe even include himself in the new one.

I'm looking forward to what happens next week anyway.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:43 AM   #17900
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I think one of the biggest problems of the last 5-10 years has been a steady decline in concern and focus on their own product(s) (i.e., writing, wrestling, talent development, etc.) and more concern and focus being put on perception and profits (i.e., sponsors, partnerships, bad press, etc.).

During the Attitude era, they were consistently getting bad press because of their content and writing and never seemed to drop a storyline, fire a wrestler, etc., because they were more concerned about the quality and consistency of their product. They were making a good consistent product, resulting in substantial growth and profit and they didn't mind the bad press because they were concerned about putting out a quality product and beating their competition.

Think about all of the wrestlers and story lines that have been fired or punished, or hurt or dropped over the last 5-10 years because some sponsor, partner, or organization complained or simply threatened to withdraw support, leave or complain.
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All Star game was Tuesday. Home Run Derby was Monday night
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Also, the internet/streaming wasn't as big during the Attitude Era as it is now, has that effected viewing figures.
Was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring this up. Think it definitely plays a role so i'd say where they're at now in this era as far as ratings is concerned is pretty good. I don't expect it to ever get back to what it used to be.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:37 AM   #17903
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:10 AM   #17904
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Keep building ths CM Punk angle properly and the numbers will go up. WWE programming suffers from changing its mind too much. If something doesn't go over instantly they just forget about it.

The CM Punk angle is white hot, Vince getting "relieved of his duties" adds interest, keep building on it. The only other thing would be to build up some mid card fueds a bit better so you're interested in RAW all the way through rather than just the last quarter hour. Make the IC/US title's the #1 contender spot again, and build the woman/tag team division up so it matters.

And one final rule, noone gets on the main roster till they are ready, green people on TV just didnt happen in the attitude era. The WWF (as it was then) was the best of the best, not the best and some newcomers.

And whilst I like Cody Rhodes the character, send him to a gym to put some muscle on his legs, he's far too gangley to look like a real threat.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:31 AM   #17905
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:33 AM   #17906
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And before that, it was down. On July 4th. Wonder what people were doing then.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:42 AM   #17907
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kinda pissed right now cause of 2 fat bitches holding up signs during the entire main event os smackdown. I shouted at them to put the signs down only for them to turn around slackjawed to see who it was and raise them higher :foc:
A guy about ten rows back from me at Mania was yelling at the people with signs to put them down because he couldn't see. About three matches in, I got tired of it and the following exchange took place:

HIM: Put your signs down!
ME: Get better seats!
REST OF SECTION:

That was the last time we heard from him.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:55 AM   #17908
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Yeah really. Honestly unless you're first three rows or so dont even bother with floor. Go for the lower bowl.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:29 AM   #17909
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I'd be pissed if I had a sign blockin my view..just sayin'
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:09 PM   #17910
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You're right, RVDMark. If Cody Rhodes had more muscle tone in his legs, the ratings for Raw would improve.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:29 PM   #17911
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:30 PM   #17912
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I came into this thread expecting the boiler plate "get rid of pg/get rid of cena/bring back the attitude era" type responses...and oh joy, I wasn't disappointed.

The WWE has been moving along just fine for a while now. Give it time. I'm pretty sure that no show has had a ratings spike, like some of the people in here seemed to have been expecting.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:35 PM   #17913
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Yeah really. Honestly unless you're first three rows or so dont even bother with floor. Go for the lower bowl.

That's what's up!
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:50 PM   #17914
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:54 PM   #17915
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:33 PM   #17916
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Most of the people in this thread have said the exact same thing you just said, Haze FX.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:36 PM   #17917
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A guy about ten rows back from me at Mania was yelling at the people with signs to put them down because he couldn't see. About three matches in, I got tired of it and the following exchange took place:

HIM: Put your signs down!
ME: Get better seats!
REST OF SECTION:

That was the last time we heard from him.
I understand if it's when they pan shots of the crowd and such, but we were never on camera in the first place, and it was literally like 90% of the entire match. I was looking around and with the exception of a few that were across from the hard camera these 2 were the only ones standing waving signs around hoping orton would look up and acknowledge that they "luv him". it's just a dick thing to do regardless
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:39 PM   #17918
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:48 PM   #17919
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