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Old 03-13-2018, 07:36 AM   #41
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I was a big fan of Bret, it was a shame at the end of his career he seem to be come bitter. He bashes WCW a lot, we know they didnt use him anywhere near his full potential. But initially he thanked WCW and Eric for how they treated him during the time of Owen's death.

He should concentrate more on the positives then the negatives from his past.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:48 AM   #42
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Except even Bret Hart says he was and it drove him nuts because unlike him Owen didnt take it so seriously.
and that's why Bret was better. Owen was the superior athlete, which is particularly on display in his japanese junior heavyweight matches, but Bret's overall body of work is superior. He just did far more meaningful and memorable stuff.
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I also don't think people realize Bret at this point in his life is pretty happy. I just think he's a natural antagonist/cynic and likes to piss people off/stir the pot. Most of his old grudges have been put to rest (the one with Flair comes to mind).
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:31 AM   #44
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YES....Bret could have a great match with a broom. His Achilles heel, more so in his earlier days, was his mic work.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:45 AM   #45
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This is quite false and demonstrates to me that you clearly do not understand Bret Hart....with all due respect. Bret was the ultimate team player and was always willing to do the job for other wrestlers provided that two conditions were met.

1) It was best for business
2) The wrestler receiving the favour would be more than willing to return the favour, and that there was mutual respect for both themselves and for the business.

I hate to use strong language here but I find your post to be quite irresponsible in the way that you have presented your "facts."
This just isnt true lol
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:37 PM   #46
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and that's why Bret was better. Owen was the superior athlete, which is particularly on display in his japanese junior heavyweight matches, but Bret's overall body of work is superior. He just did far more meaningful and memorable stuff.
I'm not taking the fact that he was great in the ring away from him the problem is he is...mechanical

One can be too focused on excellent execution.

and as a result he was an insomniacs dream
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:53 PM   #47
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I mean not everyone has a perfect resume but most of Bret's matches were pretty fucking exciting.
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Never got Bret Hart in my early years as a fan. I could see the "bland" arguments. I liked things going "faster" and was in my full indy geek phase. Recently I went back and re-watched stuff I didn't have the patience for years ago.

Good fucking god is Bret Hart good. Watching him back, I prefer him in the ring to Shawn Michaels. The stories he tells are so organic. He's always so present in the work he does, and it highlights how incomplete most guys in the ring are today. And just how much psychology has been de-emphasized.

For some easy watching, go back and watch his match against the 1-2-3 Kid from Raw. The way he sells Waltman as a credible opponent is brilliant. It's far from the best Bret Hart match, don't get me wrong, but for people looking to bite on that haven't, because like me they felt the need to be a hipster when they started watching.

I haven't bothered thinking about wrestling recently, because the current stuff is just not engaging at all -- but the other day I caught myself thinking about just how good Bret Hart is.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:38 PM   #51
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and that's why Bret was better. Owen was the superior athlete, which is particularly on display in his japanese junior heavyweight matches, but Bret's overall body of work is superior. He just did far more meaningful and memorable stuff.
Was Owen a better athlete though? I honestly don't know. I used to see Owen's stuff and go "Whoa, that's exciting -- he's more exciting than Bret," but I've come to learn that just because you don't do something doesn't mean you can't. Owen Hart would often try to be sensational -- like a Buzzfeed article -- whereas Bret would pack things together really well -- like a peer-reviewed science journal article.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:13 PM   #52
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They had different styles. Owen was far more charismatic in my opinion. Bret was my favorite growing up as a kid. I started watching right after Hulk left. So I latched on to Bret. I see where the bland comes in. But to me the gimmick was consummate professional who's really fucking good. He was like Benoit but a little better on the mic. Also a natural babyface to me. The anti American heel turn was great, but I've always loved babyface Bret Hart.
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My 25+ years of extensively following wrestling, combined with me watching numerous interviews with Bret’s peers, leads me to believe that my comments are in fact true. The only people that ever had bad things to say about Bret were wrestlers that were lockerroom cancers themselves (Scott Hall).
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:08 AM   #54
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Was Owen a better athlete though? I honestly don't know. I used to see Owen's stuff and go "Whoa, that's exciting -- he's more exciting than Bret," but I've come to learn that just because you don't do something doesn't mean you can't. Owen Hart would often try to be sensational -- like a Buzzfeed article -- whereas Bret would pack things together really well -- like a peer-reviewed science journal article.
Bret wasn't quite as smooth as Owen, nor was he as fast. In saying that, he was still the superior worker of the two, because he did what he did amazingly, with perfect timing, and told better stories.

He's not flawless by any means, but the shit he gets on this site just shows a lot of people hold his "bitterness" against him, and haven't actually bother watching much of his stuff.
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My 25+ years of extensively following wrestling, combined with me watching numerous interviews with Bret’s peers, leads me to believe that my comments are in fact true. The only people that ever had bad things to say about Bret were wrestlers that were lockerroom cancers themselves (Scott Hall).
You do realize a lot of his here are around the same age and thus have been watching for 15 years or more right?
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Bret wasn't quite as smooth as Owen, nor was he as fast. In saying that, he was still the superior worker of the two, because he did what he did amazingly, with perfect timing, and told better stories.

He's not flawless by any means, but the shit he gets on this site just shows a lot of people hold his "bitterness" against him, and haven't actually bother watching much of his stuff.
Is it genuine shit? I've always interpreted it as a bit of a joke to bash him and just promote "HBM" as the greatest of all-time. I agree with your assessment of Bret, I guess. I dunno, I just think Bret is a fucking genius now. Owen was very good and "fun," but it's like saying that Thor Ragnarok is a better movie than Citizen Kane. I agree that Thor is more colorful and such, but that doesn't mean that Citizen Kane couldn't have been. Okay, that analogy makes no sense. Throw in something about directors and choices to complete it on your own.
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Nah I get what you're saying about owen vs bret and I agree 100p
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I just like to think Bret could do backflips if he wanted to.
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All that said I really did like heel Bret Hart that same matter of factness he has in his promo style was used against American fans to tell them the goddamn truth and they hated him for it but I loved it.He got me to wanna go to Canada.

I'll also say this he could be incredibly vicious
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If you haven't seen bret and owen vs the steiner brothers from janurary 1994, see it.
Will do when I get a chance.

The Steiners, ironically, are a team I've gone back and started watching more of in order to get a better handle on their stuff.
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All that said I really did like heel Bret Hart that same matter of factness he has in his promo style was used against American fans to tell them the goddamn truth and they hated him for it but I loved it.He got me to wanna go to Canada.

I'll also say this he could be incredibly vicious
It was the perfect heel performance for the time.
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